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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,070
    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Yep, that's now in the betting. Mordaunt out if true. And out by a margin.

    Our Predictions Contest is thus fatally compromised and OFF.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,630
    dixiedean said:

    S 137
    M 110
    T 110

    Which would be amusing. Ellwood makes it a tie.

    What happens then? A count-back?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737
    Andy_JS said:

    It's almost impossible to predict which of Truss or Mordaunt will come through because of possible tactical voting in previous rounds.

    But I'll have a guess:

    Sunak 133
    Truss 114
    Mordaunt 110

    Chris Chope at Torygraph has already called it for Liz. Sources in Penny camp tell him they’re out
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,630
    Is the announcement at 4pm today?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,087
    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    YEEEESSSS
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,070
    Mordaunt's gone total betting walkies. Must be 3rd and miles behind.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,743

    The final round of MPs voting runs this afternoon from 1 to 3pm; results due 4pm.

    Betfair next prime minister
    2.04 Liz Truss 49%
    2.62 Rishi Sunak 38%
    7 Penny Mordaunt 14%
    300 Dominic Raab
    340 Keir Starmer

    Next Conservative leader
    2.02 Liz Truss 50%
    2.72 Rishi Sunak 37%
    6.8 Penny Mordaunt 15%

    To be in final two
    1.02 Rishi Sunak 98%
    1.27 Liz Truss 79%
    3.8 Penny Mordaunt 26%

    At the half-time oranges stage of the count.

    Betfair next prime minister
    2 Liz Truss 50%
    2.64 Rishi Sunak 38%
    7.8 Penny Mordaunt 13%
    300 Dominic Raab
    340 Keir Starmer

    Next Conservative leader
    1.96 Liz Truss 51%
    2.7 Rishi Sunak 37%
    8.4 Penny Mordaunt 12%

    To be in final two
    1.02 Rishi Sunak 98%
    1.19 Liz Truss 84%
    5 Penny Mordaunt 20%
    Someone thinks they know.

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.72 Liz Truss 58%
    2.64 Rishi Sunak 38%
    13 Penny Mordaunt 8%
    300 Dominic Raab
    340 Keir Starmer

    Next Conservative leader
    1.67 Liz Truss 60%
    2.6 Rishi Sunak 38%
    16.5 Penny Mordaunt 6%

    To be in final two
    no offers Rishi Sunak
    1.06 Liz Truss
    10 Penny Mordaunt
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600

    Nigelb said:

    Lavrov gives the biggest official signal yet that Russia is planning to annex southern Ukraine.

    "Now the geography has changed. It's not just Donetsk and Luhansk, it's Kherson, Zaporizhia, and several other territories. And this is an ongoing process, consistent and insistent."

    https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1549711941299470336

    This is hardly a surprise, given their intent is the whole of Ukraine, sooner, or later.

    He looks like he's aged quite a lot since the beginning of the war.
    We must be due Russia offer of a ceasefire and talks soon then.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,482

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    Poorly prepared for the shitstorm the Mail was going to throw at her.

    Poorly organised considering she's been planning this for quite some while.

    Too whiny about being targeted. Needed to be on the attack about Brexit Johnny-come-lately's.

    All in all, a very disappointing campaign.

    Now to get behind Sunak against Truss - and make her case for a senior post with PM Sunak.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912
    Sunak supporter Gavin Williamson, asked if he was lending any votes to other campaigns - “I don’t know what you’re talking about”
    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1549754135783915526

    That's a yes, then ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310
    kinabalu said:

    Mordaunt's gone total betting walkies. Must be 3rd and miles behind.

    The Con to Labour RedWall floor- crossers can be re-booked for the Labour Party Conference then.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    I sort of agree. There was such excitement and hope for a fresh change under her that it was a great opportunity, there were attacks, but you aren’t supposed to dwell on bitchiness of the Mail as much as that, she didn’t fill the half empty jug of hope with enough substance, policy stances, or strong debate performances.

    But it’s not the end, she can come back stronger. She needs time in higher office.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    DavidL said:

    What is so very different about this leadership contest compared to previous ones is that there is no possibility of anyone volunteering to drop out and have their opponent crowned. None. They're going to be bitterly fighting long after a "winner" is declared.

    I don't think you're going to see a sore loser like Hunt turning his nose down at Defence again this time.

    It will be bitter until the votes are cast, but I think both Truss and Rishi can work together whoever wins.

    See the way they were able to co-operate to pull the plug on the Sky debate in order to stop attacking each other.
    "A question for Liz, what do you regret most, voting remain or being a Liberal Democrat?"

    Work together? Ha!

    Dunno - Kamila H virtually accused Biden of driving the school "busing" bus himself during one debate and yet she is now his Veep.

    A ridiculous allegation. Who on earth would give him such a responsible position?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,743
    kinabalu said:

    Mordaunt's gone total betting walkies. Must be 3rd and miles behind.

    BBC reports a civil service leak inquiry into the Sunday Times story about Mordaunt and gender.
  • S 139
    M 102
    T 116
  • Truss vs Sunak, I called it but God help us all!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600

    Nigelb said:

    Lavrov gives the biggest official signal yet that Russia is planning to annex southern Ukraine.

    "Now the geography has changed. It's not just Donetsk and Luhansk, it's Kherson, Zaporizhia, and several other territories. And this is an ongoing process, consistent and insistent."

    https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1549711941299470336

    This is hardly a surprise, given their intent is the whole of Ukraine, sooner, or later.

    He looks like he's aged quite a lot since the beginning of the war.
    Lying all day long can do that. And then there's the expecting to be poisoned any minute if one of your lies isn't big enough for the Boss.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475
    I wonder what percentage of those Tory MPs who caused Johnson to resign didn't want Truss as leader?
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    Truss vs Sunak, I called it but God help us all!

    You won't have long to wait. The time will fly by.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    I sort of agree. There was such excitement and hope for a fresh change under her that it was a great opportunity, there were attacks, but you aren’t supposed to dwell on bitchiness of the Mail as much as that, she didn’t fill the half empty jug of hope with enough substance, policy stances, or strong debate performances.

    But it’s not the end, she can come back stronger. She needs time in higher office.
    And to learn to pay attention. And to think about what she actually wants rather some middle ground. And to do the work. Above all, do the work. Her performance in her next post must be exemplary.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475

    kinabalu said:

    Mordaunt's gone total betting walkies. Must be 3rd and miles behind.

    BBC reports a civil service leak inquiry into the Sunday Times story about Mordaunt and gender.
    Mordaunt was probably the BBC's preferred candidate.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475

    Is the announcement at 4pm today?

    Yes.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Sunak vs Truss. With Truss the clear candidate who will continue Johnsonism and lose the election. She will win by a canter.

    Will they lose the election like Corbyn 17? Or Corbyn 19? Or Major 97? Or Campbell 93?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,087
    Andy_JS said:

    I wonder what percentage of those Tory MPs who caused Johnson to resign didn't want Truss as leader?

    Boris had to go, what was to come next couldn't be determined - but fundamentally you can't have someone that dishonest in charge of the country no matter how much he might amuse people.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    Looks like my £300 win on PM is drifting away from me...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,070
    Prediction Contest -

    Ok, look, so I'll still compute and award a trophy - but the winner will have to swear they didn't already have the scoop and see Mordaunt sliding out to 50/1.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Sunak - 122
    Mordaunt - 120
    Truss - 115
  • Westminster Voting Intention: *Sunak as Conservative Leader* LAB: 37% (+4) CON: 25% (-20) LDM: 15% (+3) GRN: 10% (+7) REF: 4% (+2) via @FindoutnowUK , 18-19 Jul (Changes with 2019 Election)

    Labour would gain more seats than in 1997, meaning Starmer is the biggest seat winner for Labour since Wilson - if it happened
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475

    dixiedean said:

    S 137
    M 110
    T 110

    Which would be amusing. Ellwood makes it a tie.

    What happens then? A count-back?
    They'd probably hold another ballot this evening.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    Andy_JS said:

    dixiedean said:

    S 137
    M 110
    T 110

    Which would be amusing. Ellwood makes it a tie.

    What happens then? A count-back?
    They'd probably hold another ballot this evening.
    Put all three to the membership and let the loonies make the decision.
  • And 70 seats for the Lib Dems, their highest tally ever. What a government that would be
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    Andy_JS said:

    dixiedean said:

    S 137
    M 110
    T 110

    Which would be amusing. Ellwood makes it a tie.

    What happens then? A count-back?
    They'd probably hold another ballot this evening.
    Put all three to the membership and let the loonies make the decision.
    FPTP? AV? STV? 😀

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475
    An interesting result would be if Truss comes ahead of Sunak. Unlikely.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Question: when are results of today's Tory MP vote scheduled to b released?
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Andy_JS said:

    I wonder what percentage of those Tory MPs who caused Johnson to resign didn't want Truss as leader?

    I wonder how many MPs are stunned by Sunak's Mitt Romney performance with the members.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310
    Just signed in to LBC to get the result on the office computer. Jim Diamond? Didn't he sing "Hi Ho Silver" or am I wrong and "I should have known better"?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475

    Westminster Voting Intention: *Sunak as Conservative Leader* LAB: 37% (+4) CON: 25% (-20) LDM: 15% (+3) GRN: 10% (+7) REF: 4% (+2) via @FindoutnowUK , 18-19 Jul (Changes with 2019 Election)

    Labour would gain more seats than in 1997, meaning Starmer is the biggest seat winner for Labour since Wilson - if it happened

    Very high LD and Green shares.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384

    Westminster Voting Intention: *Sunak as Conservative Leader* LAB: 37% (+4) CON: 25% (-20) LDM: 15% (+3) GRN: 10% (+7) REF: 4% (+2) via @FindoutnowUK , 18-19 Jul (Changes with 2019 Election)

    Labour would gain more seats than in 1997, meaning Starmer is the biggest seat winner for Labour since Wilson - if it happened

    Is there a poll with Truss?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    6m
    Another Mordaunt backer texts: “knife edge”
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/status/1549765031658668032



    Er... did anyone think for more than 15 seconds about this?

    Five white blokes, and one ethnic minority woman.

    The woman is pouring tea for the blokes.

    That's not a good look, folks?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737
    Andy_JS said:

    An interesting result would be if Truss comes ahead of Sunak. Unlikely.

    The best result would be if MPs have been trolling Gavin Williamson and they all dump Sunak at this stage. So we have a proper contest for the members with two candidates with an equal chance of winning the argument.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    Looks like my £300 win on PM is drifting away from me...
    It's sunk.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,743

    Question: when are results of today's Tory MP vote scheduled to b released?

    4pm. 10 minutes to go.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    6m
    Another Mordaunt backer texts: “knife edge”

    Yes, but where's the knife point ?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,753

    Westminster Voting Intention: *Sunak as Conservative Leader* LAB: 37% (+4) CON: 25% (-20) LDM: 15% (+3) GRN: 10% (+7) REF: 4% (+2) via @FindoutnowUK , 18-19 Jul (Changes with 2019 Election)

    Labour would gain more seats than in 1997, meaning Starmer is the biggest seat winner for Labour since Wilson - if it happened

    Presumably you could add a good few of the Green votes to Labour, too. That would see the Tories pretty much wiped out. It's a lovely thought but I don't think it's likely to happen.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475
    The Daily Mail isn't going to be flavour of the month with Penny Mordaunt supporters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    Looks like my £300 win on PM is drifting away from me...
    It's sunk.
    PM out at 50 now.

    It's gonna be one hell of shock if she does take second now.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,630
    Andy_JS said:

    An interesting result would be if Truss comes ahead of Sunak. Unlikely.

    Unlikely, yes.

    Interesting, no, not really.

    Unless Truss is a long way behind Sunak she will win the members vote by a mile anyway, so the interest will be negligible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912
    An upbeat-looking Liz Truss just recorded a statement to camera on New Palace Yard. Looks like it will be a celebratory message. We find out in 19 (9) minutes
    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1549766516660387841
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325

    Just signed in to LBC to get the result on the office computer. Jim Diamond? Didn't he sing "Hi Ho Silver" or am I wrong and "I should have known better"?

    And "Saddle Up"
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    What a disaster this is going to be
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384

    https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/status/1549765031658668032



    Er... did anyone think for more than 15 seconds about this?

    Five white blokes, and one ethnic minority woman.

    The woman is pouring tea for the blokes.

    That's not a good look, folks?

    They at least know what a woman is.
    And what she's for.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912

    Nigelb said:

    Sunak supporter Gavin Williamson, asked if he was lending any votes to other campaigns - “I don’t know what you’re talking about”
    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1549754135783915526

    That's a yes, then ?

    Isn't that Gavin's stock answer to ALL questions?
    No, that would be 'I don't understand...".
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737
    Nigelb said:

    An upbeat-looking Liz Truss just recorded a statement to camera on New Palace Yard. Looks like it will be a celebratory message. We find out in 19 (9) minutes
    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1549766516660387841

    Sky News are being like John Motson when Man U are three up with 10 to go. “Well this amazing, anything could happen still”.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,755
    Andy_JS said:

    The Daily Mail isn't going to be flavour of the month with Penny Mordaunt supporters.

    Daily Mail might be in for a shock itself if she's made Culture Secretary in the new cabinet...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310

    Scott_xP said:

    LATEST
    **MP loyal to Penny Mordaunt concedes**
    The MP tells me "Liz has pushed us out" blaming criticism over her record in the Tory Press.
    He says: "[It] looks like a Rishi v Liz summer contest. The only winner from that will be our Opponents. Both will be damaged." #ToryLeader

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549762704558153734

    Please, no! But if that comes to pass Penny only has herself to blame. It was hers for the taking this time last week.
    Poorly prepared for the shitstorm the Mail was going to throw at her.

    Poorly organised considering she's been planning this for quite some while.

    Too whiny about being targeted. Needed to be on the attack about Brexit Johnny-come-lately's.

    All in all, a very disappointing campaign.

    Now to get behind Sunak against Truss - and make her case for a senior post with PM Sunak.
    ...not so fast! Beth Rigby says it is "knife-edge"!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807

    Westminster Voting Intention: *Sunak as Conservative Leader* LAB: 37% (+4) CON: 25% (-20) LDM: 15% (+3) GRN: 10% (+7) REF: 4% (+2) via @FindoutnowUK , 18-19 Jul (Changes with 2019 Election)

    Labour would gain more seats than in 1997, meaning Starmer is the biggest seat winner for Labour since Wilson - if it happened

    The Tories are doomed. And they’ve just put the two most tainted candidates in the final two (probably).

    Chortle.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,630
    kinabalu said:

    Prediction Contest -

    Ok, look, so I'll still compute and award a trophy - but the winner will have to swear they didn't already have the scoop and see Mordaunt sliding out to 50/1.

    I very much doubt if any PBers have seen the count tbh.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600

    Nigelb said:

    Sunak supporter Gavin Williamson, asked if he was lending any votes to other campaigns - “I don’t know what you’re talking about”
    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1549754135783915526

    That's a yes, then ?

    Isn't that Gavin's stock answer to ALL questions?
    No.

    "Give me a knighthood or I spill the full story" is another regular answer.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384
    BigG_SouthWales just rode himself into a podium finish.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912
    PM backers sound not a little bitter.
    I don't think a Truss ministry is going to be a happy one.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    edited July 2022
    Today Penny is wearing a pussybow and a kaftan.

    Lightweight Lizzy has a sexy belt like stripper wear.

    Rishi seems to have 9” platform shoes on.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    NEW 👀

    Liz Truss looks set to have won the Conservative leadership campaign. 

    One MP on the Sunak team tells me the votes from Kemi Badenoch have “transferred wholesale” to Truss’s campaign. 
    If so, suddenly Rishi Sunak is no longer the favourite going into the members’ voting.


    Errr
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,632
    Sunak v Truss will be a bloodbath.

    Slick and superficial v desperate and unhinged.

    The Times v The Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph.

    The pair of them hollering about statues and tax cuts as the cost of living crisis bites hard.

    Then either full-scale Tory civil war if Sunak wins or a trade war with the EU if Truss does.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,753

    https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/status/1549765031658668032



    Er... did anyone think for more than 15 seconds about this?

    Five white blokes, and one ethnic minority woman.

    The woman is pouring tea for the blokes.

    That's not a good look, folks?

    Tories, innit.
  • NEW 👀

    Liz Truss looks set to have won the Conservative leadership campaign.

    One MP on the Sunak team tells me the votes from Kemi Badenoch have “transferred wholesale” to Truss’s campaign.

    If so, suddenly Rishi Sunak is no longer the favourite going into the members’ voting.

    God help us all
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    NEW 👀

    Liz Truss looks set to have won the Conservative leadership campaign. 

    One MP on the Sunak team tells me the votes from Kemi Badenoch have “transferred wholesale” to Truss’s campaign. 
    If so, suddenly Rishi Sunak is no longer the favourite going into the members’ voting.


    Errr

    Oh god... Bring back Boris, its all been a terrible mistake.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Daily Mail isn't going to be flavour of the month with Penny Mordaunt supporters.

    Daily Mail might be in for a shock itself if she's made Culture Secretary in the new cabinet...
    Dacre wont care by then as he is due the peerage Johnson has promised him for various favours.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,331
    edited July 2022
    Not too late:

    S - 138
    T - 113
    M- 106

    (I may just have time to edit this to give the right result at 4.01)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807

    NEW 👀

    Liz Truss looks set to have won the Conservative leadership campaign. 

    One MP on the Sunak team tells me the votes from Kemi Badenoch have “transferred wholesale” to Truss’s campaign. 
    If so, suddenly Rishi Sunak is no longer the favourite going into the members’ voting.


    Errr

    If true - PORWAS.

    Completely nukes his “favourite with the MPs” campaign.

  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32
    So regime change = no 2 vs no 3 in the regime taking over.

    Underwhelming.
  • The Tories have literally gone back to 2001. All of that progress under Cameron and they've given it up.

    This is not a party that anyone vaguely of the centre could dream of voting for. What a shame.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    Sunak v Truss will be a bloodbath.

    Slick and superficial v desperate and unhinged.

    The Times v The Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph.

    The pair of them hollering about statues and tax cuts as the cost of living crisis bites hard.

    Then either full-scale Tory civil war if Sunak wins or a trade war with the EU if Truss does.

    Hopefully you have all positioned your pensions in foreign currency assets!

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912
    DavidL said:

    NEW 👀

    Liz Truss looks set to have won the Conservative leadership campaign. 

    One MP on the Sunak team tells me the votes from Kemi Badenoch have “transferred wholesale” to Truss’s campaign. 
    If so, suddenly Rishi Sunak is no longer the favourite going into the members’ voting.


    Errr

    Oh god... Bring back Boris, its all been a terrible mistake.
    @Leon warned you. :smile:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2022
    B&M Thatcher getting through shows all the campaigning, 27 rounds of voting by MPs, was a total waste of time. Late start and totally rubbish throughout.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    I guess if Tory MPs want to vote for electoral suicide, so be it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    I see that Boris in his final oration said that we’d listened to Treasury, there’d be no M25 and no Channel Tunnel.

    Quite right!

    Subtext: don't elect Rishi Sunak.
    That message has been so loud it may as well have been text.

    In fairness, the members appear to have listened.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310

    Today Penny is wearing a pussybow and a kaftan.

    I've seen her in a swimsuit, and she looked good, but a "pussybow", ding- dong!

    What's a pussybow?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    https://twitter.com/William_Wragg/status/1549765031658668032



    Er... did anyone think for more than 15 seconds about this?

    Five white blokes, and one ethnic minority woman.

    The woman is pouring tea for the blokes.

    That's not a good look, folks?

    If its aimed at Tory members its probably the *only* look.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,912
    Starmer interviewed about Johnson, paying a fulsome tribute.

    "He is a complete bullshitter, and I think he’s been found out ... In the local elections there was a general realisation that this guy bullshits, if he’s bullshitting about that [Partygate], he’s probably bullshitting about everything."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2022

    The Tories have literally gone back to 2001. All of that progress under Cameron and they've given it up.

    This is not a party that anyone vaguely of the centre could dream of voting for. What a shame.

    Rishi could easily be mistaken for a Tony Blair centrist labourite minister in terms of his actions....spray money around then tax rises all round.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446

    Today Penny is wearing a pussybow and a kaftan.

    I've seen her in a swimsuit, and she looked good, but a "pussybow", ding- dong!

    What's a pussybow?
    You havn’t been paying attention have you?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,518
    My guess:

    S - 128
    T - 125
    M- 104
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310
    Nigelb said:

    Starmer interviewed about Johnson, paying a fulsome tribute.

    "He is a complete bullshitter, and I think he’s been found out ... In the local elections there was a general realisation that this guy bullshits, if he’s bullshitting about that [Partygate], he’s probably bullshitting about everything."

    Are you his speechwriter?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Nigelb said:

    Sunak supporter Gavin Williamson, asked if he was lending any votes to other campaigns - “I don’t know what you’re talking about”
    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1549754135783915526

    That's a yes, then ?

    I believe him. The only 'evidence' people seem to have is supposedly suspicious outcomes post Tugendhat, but Penny had been struggling, it isnt that surprising.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    NEW 👀

    Liz Truss looks set to have won the Conservative leadership campaign.

    One MP on the Sunak team tells me the votes from Kemi Badenoch have “transferred wholesale” to Truss’s campaign.

    If so, suddenly Rishi Sunak is no longer the favourite going into the members’ voting.

    God help us all

    If true that is hilarious!

    Then again, think about it. Trusster is the tired and petulant continuity Boris candidate with a crew of idiots and misfits backing her. Leaving Sunak as the insurgent, trying to bring proper Tory economic common sense back vs Liz the LibDem.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,190
    edited July 2022
    Guess:
    Truss 135
    Sunak 120
    Mordaunt 105
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475

    The Tories have literally gone back to 2001. All of that progress under Cameron and they've given it up.

    This is not a party that anyone vaguely of the centre could dream of voting for. What a shame.

    Ironic because Liz Truss was one of the A-list shortlist candidates that Cameron organised.
  • https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1549681965145755648

    Lol go Keir!

    I told you all exclusively weeks ago that Campbell was back in the frame.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310

    Today Penny is wearing a pussybow and a kaftan.

    I've seen her in a swimsuit, and she looked good, but a "pussybow", ding- dong!

    What's a pussybow?
    You havn’t been paying attention have you?
    No.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384
    Here we go.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475
    Any moment now.
  • Pendolino 105
    Rish! 137
    Trussticles 113
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475
    edited July 2022
    Sunak 137
    Truss 113
    Mordaunt 105

    357 votes cast.

    2 spoilt papers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,658
    Tory leadership final MPs ballot

    Mordaunt 105
    Sunak 137
    Truss 113

    Mordaunt out. Sunak and Truss through to the membership vote

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Ooh, that was close…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,475
    Mordaunt goes out by 8 votes.
  • BREAKING:

    RISHI SUNAK OR LIZ TRUSS WILL BE THE NEXT PM

    Tory leadership results:

    Rishi Sunak - 137
    Liz Truss - 113
    Penny Mordaunt - 105

    An explosive Summer lies ahead of us

    GOD HELP US ALL
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