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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    rcs1000 said:

    I detect an element of misogyny in the criticism of Truss. If a generic male Tory - say Ben Wallace - had the same record and the same positions, he wouldn't be treated as some kind of barely sane halfwit in the way Truss is.

    Personally, I think Truss will be fine. I don't have any strong objections to her political positions: I think she'll be firm but pragmatic with the EU. I think she'll be sound on Ukraine.

    I think she's smart and hard working, and suspect she'll grow into the role of PM.

    That said, I do worry that she's a little doctrinaire on the economics side. In particular, I think the world is a little different to 1980, and the room to accelerate economies via tax cuts much more limited. (Not least because in 1980 we underconsumed, and now we overconsume. Cutting taxes to drive additional consumption therefore makes our imbalances worse...)

    If the Ukraine crisis is resolved with Russia failing (which I think it will, and which is more likely if Truss is PM than Sunak), then the cost of living crisis is likely to be reversed surprisingly quickly.

    Combine that with a negotiated peace with the EU, and it is not implausible that Ms Truss could manage a 1992 type result next time around, and almost certainly to the detriment of the LDs in the South.
    That's what I'm going to try and hang on to.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    TOPPING said:

    Membership still in full on Anyone But Rishi mode.

    My dad was absolute right to be terrified of Liz beating Sunak right from the start. This is becoming an absolute Conservative Party mess. 😣
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,963
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    I think Boris's jogging pic earlier must have triggered a subconscious memory in us both.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Mark,

    I'd settle for more typical Skeggy weather. Come late August there was a risk of frostbite.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552

    Dadge said:

    Obviously I'm not a Tory, so I have some difficulties understanding how their minds work, but I find it hard to believe that even 10% of them would want Truss as leader. She was a remainer, she does a bad Thatcher impersonation and she has the charisma of a haddock. Sunak at least has the personality of a Thunderbirds puppet. All Truss seems to have going for her is the damascene conversion to the church of numptydom.

    I doubt that they particularly want Truss... it's more that they want Sunak and Mordaunt even less. After all, whoever finally wins this seems set to have the active support of 35ish percent of their MPs.
    Well let's see. Tommorow is the Anyone But Truss vs the Anyone But Mordaunt battle.

    Considering how useless she is, it won't nessecarily go to Truss. These MPs votes do not always shift in predictable ways.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Andy_JS said:

    "The Conservative party has ceased to be serious
    Liz Truss is worst-placed to win over Labour voters. Naturally, she's the favourite.
    James Kirkup" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-conservative-party-has-ceased-to-be-serious

    Strange days when I agree with the Speccie
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    A balmy 26° at present.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    I don't think even Liz Truss is made enough to make JRM Chancellor.

    Truss is perhaps the only one left who might install Badenoch as Chancellor.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    I don't think even Liz Truss is made enough to make JRM Chancellor.

    The scary thing is that she is. And he will want his pound of flesh and given his hatred for treacherous colonial Sunak he will want that position more than any other than PM.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479

    ** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter **
    More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.

    The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP

    The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."

    Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.

    Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.

    "We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.

    "By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.

    "There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549372957805481984

    No ambiguity? How does that work with 3 candidates on the ballot paper and each getting a third of the vote...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    Andy_JS said:

    "The Conservative party has ceased to be serious
    Liz Truss is worst-placed to win over Labour voters. Naturally, she's the favourite.
    James Kirkup" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-conservative-party-has-ceased-to-be-serious

    Of course she is. This makes total sense if one assumes that the Conservative Party is intent on replacing every unsuitable leader with someone worse. God alone knows who they'll inflict upon us when they tire of Truss.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    Where is 40C/104F “moderate” weather? Pray tell? I’m all ears.
  • Beginning to feel a tad tropically stickier as the temperature comes down. I now feel as if I should be wearing one of Roger Moore's ridiculously big-collared safari shirts, from "Moonraker", and sitting by a pool to pass the evening, cocktail in hand.

    I expect in Mayfair, or deepest Surrey, someone is doing such a thing right

    now.

    I’m in a beer garden, where it has gone from being searing hot to tropically humid in the last two hours!
    I have my feet in a pool in deepest Surrey, and now it’s raining on me!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279
  • eekeek Posts: 28,264
    pigeon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The Conservative party has ceased to be serious
    Liz Truss is worst-placed to win over Labour voters. Naturally, she's the favourite.
    James Kirkup" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-conservative-party-has-ceased-to-be-serious

    Of course she is. This makes total sense if one assumes that the Conservative Party is intent on replacing every unsuitable leader with someone worse. God alone knows who they'll inflict upon us when they tire of Truss.
    After Truss we move on to the true believers. Nadine followed by JRM before finally Michael Fabricant's hair takes over...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    I have been there in July. It is quite toasty, but a dry heat so tolerable.

    My car did boil over in the Mojave though, so had to top up the radiator with the water in the icebox, and drive the rest of the way with the heater on max.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    My godfather in San Diego used to decamp to Alaska for the summer.
    The Taiwanese spend around 5 months a year moaning about it being too hot.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    I’ve really gone off of him.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    Yes, tastes vary but 25C-32C would be most people's ideal, mild enough to do almost anything, warm enough to lie about soaking up the rays without frying

    A few people would find that too hot and prefer a cool 20C, a few people like it even hotter, they love to roast in 32-35C

    I have honestly never met anyone who enjoys 40C, unless they are so starved of sun and so bored of cold they will take anything they can get?

    A silly argument. Show me to wine, Crixus
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    rcs1000 said:

    I detect an element of misogyny in the criticism of Truss. If a generic male Tory - say Ben Wallace - had the same record and the same positions, he wouldn't be treated as some kind of barely sane halfwit in the way Truss is.

    Personally, I think Truss will be fine. I don't have any strong objections to her political positions: I think she'll be firm but pragmatic with the EU. I think she'll be sound on Ukraine.

    I think she's smart and hard working, and suspect she'll grow into the role of PM.

    That said, I do worry that she's a little doctrinaire on the economics side. In particular, I think the world is a little different to 1980, and the room to accelerate economies via tax cuts much more limited. (Not least because in 1980 we underconsumed, and now we overconsume. Cutting taxes to drive additional consumption therefore makes our imbalances worse...)

    If the Ukraine crisis is resolved with Russia failing (which I think it will, and which is more likely if Truss is PM than Sunak), then the cost of living crisis is likely to be reversed surprisingly quickly.

    Combine that with a negotiated peace with the EU, and it is not implausible that Ms Truss could manage a 1992 type result next time around, and almost certainly to the detriment of the LDs in the South.
    That's what I'm going to try and hang on to.
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    For someone who backed Truss @14 at one point I am doing abysmally at this betting malarky.

    Join the club.
    I've thrown caution to the wind and laid Sunak hard.
    Have you told your parents ?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450
    eek said:

    pigeon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The Conservative party has ceased to be serious
    Liz Truss is worst-placed to win over Labour voters. Naturally, she's the favourite.
    James Kirkup" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-conservative-party-has-ceased-to-be-serious

    Of course she is. This makes total sense if one assumes that the Conservative Party is intent on replacing every unsuitable leader with someone worse. God alone knows who they'll inflict upon us when they tire of Truss.
    After Truss we move on to the true believers. Nadine followed by JRM before finally Michael Fabricant's hair takes over...
    The Whigs are back in power?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    So all this alleged post EU democracy translates in the government putting through trade deals with no scrutiny.

    They don’t want the fact that they screwed farmers to garner too many headlines . Meanwhile the unhinged Maggie clone runs around telling everyone what great deals she signed .
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    Endillion said:

    After a couple of days of wild swings, all of which have ultimately cancelled each other out, I am finally happy with my Tory leader book and hereby vow to stop fiddling with it:
    Liz: +300
    Rishi: +200
    Penny: +150

    Laying the favourite has been, as usual, very profitable (although I think not from this point onwards).

    Not laying back my Kemi exposure cost me 40 or so. I regret nothing.

    Me neither. There was plenty of evidence that Truss was underperforming at the time, and that an upset was possible.

    Her expanding her lead from + 13 to +27 off the back of TT votes seemed totally implausible yesterday.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,482
    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    I’ve really gone off of him.
    You were never on him
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,922
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
    Windy in Windhoek
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    Squally in Senegal. y.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    Definitely getting more humid now. Slightly uncomfortable, for the first time.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
    Windy in Windhoek
    Weeing down in Lilongwe
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384
    36.0 in Newcastle. Broken the NE record by a full 3 degrees.
    That's a huge leap.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,190
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    Yes, tastes vary but 25C-32C would be most people's ideal, mild enough to do almost anything, warm enough to lie about soaking up the rays without frying

    A few people would find that too hot and prefer a cool 20C, a few people like it even hotter, they love to roast in 32-35C

    I have honestly never met anyone who enjoys 40C, unless they are so starved of sun and so bored of cold they will take anything they can get?

    A silly argument. Show me to wine, Crixus
    I spent a few years living in Seville. The way people enjoy the 35 - 40 C temperatures of August is to leave the city for somewhere less hot (if they can), or become as nocturnal as possible (if they can't). And that's in a city with a lot of heatproof architecture. The sort of adaptations that the UK famously doesn't have. Oh, and lots of red wine with lemonade helps.

    The only people I can imagine actively wanting things to be that hot are those nostalgic for a misremembered childhood.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    Has @Big_G_NorthWales popped up yet to say how he always supported Liz Truss?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    I have been there in July. It is quite toasty, but a dry heat so tolerable.

    My car did boil over in the Mojave though, so had to top up the radiator with the water in the icebox, and drive the rest of the way with the heater on max.
    Very familiar with the heater on max to keep a car running. Classic mini trick. Can be unpleasant in hot weather.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    TOPPING said:

    Membership still in full on Anyone But Rishi mode.

    The membership wanted Kemi, so maybe whoever offers her the best job will win.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    My godfather in San Diego used to decamp to Alaska for the summer.
    The Taiwanese spend around 5 months a year moaning about it being too hot.
    I once spent an afternoon in CA working with a guy in Santa Monica who spent the winters in Mexico because there wasn't enough sun and warmth in LA.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
    Windy in Windhoek
    Weeing down in Lilongwe
    It’s cagoules in Kigali.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    Yes, tastes vary but 25C-32C would be most people's ideal, mild enough to do almost anything, warm enough to lie about soaking up the rays without frying

    A few people would find that too hot and prefer a cool 20C, a few people like it even hotter, they love to roast in 32-35C

    I have honestly never met anyone who enjoys 40C, unless they are so starved of sun and so bored of cold they will take anything they can get?

    A silly argument. Show me to wine, Crixus
    I spent a few years living in Seville. The way people enjoy the 35 - 40 C temperatures of August is to leave the city for somewhere less hot (if they can), or become as nocturnal as possible (if they can't). And that's in a city with a lot of heatproof architecture. The sort of adaptations that the UK famously doesn't have. Oh, and lots of red wine with lemonade helps.

    The only people I can imagine actively wanting things to be that hot are those nostalgic for a misremembered childhood.
    By coincidence I spoke to a PhD student who is heading back to Seville this week. She is not looking forward to August, but did say most of the uni buildings have air con, including her chemistry lab, which is in contrast to the lab she has been in here!
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,842

    ** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter **
    More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.

    The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP

    The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."

    Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.

    Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.

    "We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.

    "By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.

    "There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549372957805481984

    Go on - form your own party. Maybe you'll get Farage to join you and you can sell the Boris & Nigel Show round the country.

    Stand candidates against Official Conservative candidates - you know you want to.

    Seriously, I believe John Major and David Cameron both came to loathe the Conservative Party - I suspect Johnson does too. I imagine Theresa May is too polite to offer her opinion - I wonder how she has voted in the leadership election?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    Yes, tastes vary but 25C-32C would be most people's ideal, mild enough to do almost anything, warm enough to lie about soaking up the rays without frying

    A few people would find that too hot and prefer a cool 20C, a few people like it even hotter, they love to roast in 32-35C

    I have honestly never met anyone who enjoys 40C, unless they are so starved of sun and so bored of cold they will take anything they can get?

    A silly argument. Show me to wine, Crixus
    You can't beat 18°C to 22°C 👍
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
    Windy in Windhoek
    Weeing down in Lilongwe
    It’s cagoules in Kigali.

    Stone cold in Livingstone

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316
    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446

    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    I’ve really gone off of him.
    You were never on him
    I did vote buckethead. It is true.

    But what is Mayor actually saying there, everything has to stop, rather than just take precautions and be sensible about it? Cancel all sport. Cancel all politics, cancel all shopping? Close all pubs and bars, cancel all beer gardens?

    How about a few words from him on now we are 40+ London now and heat domes more regular on us, how he will now change his own policys and push for change on infrastructure planning, transport planning, environmental planning, and extreme weather planning and messaging - instead of a rather inane party political dig?

    You know I’m right.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    edited July 2022

    I detect an element of misogyny in the criticism of Truss. If a generic male Tory - say Ben Wallace - had the same record and the same positions, he wouldn't be treated as some kind of barely sane halfwit in the way Truss is.

    That is because Ben Wallace ain’t a barely sane halfwit in the way Truss actually is. You may not give a toss William, as is coming across from your posts, who is British Prime minister and leader of the Conservatives, but some of us do!

    How did this happen, she has been ridiculed as foreign Secretary and Boris successor to demote her, she couldn’t get any decent backers and rumoured not to get enough signatories to compete, her polling was awful, her votes awful, her launch a disaster, her big idea’s on tax and borrowing split sides with howls of derision, flat last in first debate, barely any better in second - how has Liz Truss made top 3 and chance of top 2.

    It makes no sense.
    The case for Liz Truss:-
    1. She has been a better Foreign Secretary than at least two of her immediate predecessors: Boris Johnson; Jeremy Hunt; Dominic Raab
    2. She has negotiated (or rolled over) trade deals, which means that she has probably done more to make Brexit a success than any other minister
    3. She stood, and that is the minimum qualification for winning
    4. She holds a Great Office of State and went to Oxford, which traditionally are required
    5. Hmm. Nearly blacked out there. That's not good

    ETA 2. is a depressingly low bar considering how many Tories have campaigned for Brexit for decades without, apparently, giving a moment's thought as to what happens next.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008
    Weird, broiling hot gusts of wind right now. Quite peculiar
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384
    Once you get above 30 it's really all about the humidity.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,928

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
    Raining here in Brockley (lightly) now. Must be the hottest rain on record.

    Remarkably the grapes on my garden Chardonnay vine have shrivelled in the heat today. SE London too hot for viticulture.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    Eh?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,190
    edited July 2022
    stodge said:

    ** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter **
    More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.

    The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP

    The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."

    Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.

    Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.

    "We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.

    "By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.

    "There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549372957805481984

    Go on - form your own party. Maybe you'll get Farage to join you and you can sell the Boris & Nigel Show round the country.

    Stand candidates against Official Conservative candidates - you know you want to.

    Seriously, I believe John Major and David Cameron both came to loathe the Conservative Party - I suspect Johnson does too. I imagine Theresa May is too polite to offer her opinion - I wonder how she has voted in the leadership election?
    One of the observations in Alan Clark's book "The Tories" is that pretty much all Conservative Prime Ministers end up hating the party.
  • It's horrible in my Victorian conversion :(
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,753
    TimS said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
    Raining here in Brockley (lightly) now. Must be the hottest rain on record.

    Remarkably the grapes on my garden Chardonnay vine have shrivelled in the heat today. SE London too hot for viticulture.
    Got the washing in just in time in SE14.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,384

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
    Windy in Windhoek
    Weeing down in Lilongwe
    It’s cagoules in Kigali.

    Stone cold in Livingstone

    Ice cold in Alex of course.
  • When will they send the ballot papers out to members? I want to plan a
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450
    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Membership still in full on Anyone But Rishi mode.

    The membership wanted Kemi, so maybe whoever offers her the best job will win.
    I can almost see Sunak offering her CotE. Tuggers Foreign Office, JRM Chancellor of the No.10 Privy. Elwood in charge of Royal Commision on Corruption in Politics, Gove Royal Commission on hunting down fake Furlough payments, Raab ambassador to Easter Island, Penny, home office, Fabricant is clearly his Heir Presumptive.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
    Chance of rain rated as 10% or less around here by both Met Office and BBC until about 4 or 5pm tomorrow. Not expecting relief imminently.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008
    TimS said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
    Raining here in Brockley (lightly) now. Must be the hottest rain on record.

    Remarkably the grapes on my garden Chardonnay vine have shrivelled in the heat today. SE London too hot for viticulture.
    Will your young vineyard survive?
  • When will they send the ballot papers out to members? I want to plan a

    an overseas holiday but if I miss the vote and Liz Truss wins narrowly I will feel like Judas Iscariot.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,600
    Leon said:

    Weird, broiling hot gusts of wind right now. Quite peculiar

    Definite signs of louring in my bit of burnt midlands
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,117
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Definitely getting more humid now. Slightly uncomfortable, for the first time.

    It's time for one of these, and some 70s music by the poolside.

    https://www.bondsuits.com/safari-suit-in-the-iguazu/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316
    TimS said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
    Raining here in Brockley (lightly) now. Must be the hottest rain on record.

    Remarkably the grapes on my garden Chardonnay vine have shrivelled in the heat today. SE London too hot for viticulture.
    We had spots on the windscreen at 5 pm in very warm conditions. Didn’t really deliver for the allotment... Bad luck on the grapes! Have they cropped in the past? My friend has tried for years with no luck, but an uncertain variety.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    It's horrible in my Victorian conversion :(

    The best Victorian conversion is when JRM has a sex-change and has a c*** as well as being one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008
    You'll say Atishoo! if you go to Mogadishu
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    edited July 2022
    23 degrees centigrade with a light breeze every time. That comes of going to Skegness nearly every year, I became habituated to it. But I can recommend Freiston Shore. "Home, home on the marsh, where the mud and the samphire all roam."
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691
    It's 8pm and still over 30 degrees. Fuck this shit.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    Has @Big_G_NorthWales popped up yet to say how he always supported Liz Truss?

    Oi, meat cutlets, leave Big G alone.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,650
    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    Membership still in full on Anyone But Rishi mode.

    The membership wanted Kemi, so maybe whoever offers her the best job will win.
    I can almost see Sunak offering her CotE. Tuggers Foreign Office, JRM Chancellor of the No.10 Privy. Elwood in charge of Royal Commision on Corruption in Politics, Gove Royal Commission on hunting down fake Furlough payments, Raab ambassador to Easter Island, Penny, home office, Fabricant is clearly his Heir Presumptive.
    Surely JRM to the commission for hunting down civil servants not wearing ties while WFH in 35 degree heat.
  • It's warmer in here than it is outside finally, so windows opened
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    I’ve really gone off of him.
    You were never on him
    I did vote buckethead. It is true.

    But what is Mayor actually saying there, everything has to stop, rather than just take precautions and be sensible about it? Cancel all sport. Cancel all politics, cancel all shopping? Close all pubs and bars, cancel all beer gardens?

    How about a few words from him on now we are 40+ London now and heat domes more regular on us, how he will now change his own policys and push for change on infrastructure planning, transport planning, environmental planning, and extreme weather planning and messaging - instead of a rather inane party political dig?

    You know I’m right.
    You mean Binface.

    Who would have done a better job than the utter narcissist we elected instead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008
    edited July 2022
    MaxPB said:

    It's 8pm and still over 30 degrees. Fuck this shit.

    This was the extraordinary forecast yesterday

    35C at 9pm. I said then it was extremely hard to believe

    But here we are, past 8pm and it is 34C in Camden, so not that outrageous at all

    It's like a very hot, sticky evening in Bangkok - but without the aircon. UGH

    Hope your little baby is OK
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be wrong
    Except that, he’s right. Large parts of the US, Europe and the Middle East have been hotter than the UK this week.


  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    Leon said:

    Weird, broiling hot gusts of wind right now. Quite peculiar

    The five or so minutes I spent outside at about four this afternoon felt a little like being made to stand inside a gigantic fan assisted oven.

    Thank you for the running away to a hotel suggestion, BTW. My flat's probably been hotter than Hades since about yesterday lunchtime. As it is, I think I was the only person at work this morning who'd had a decent night's sleep.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    No need for an aircon car.

    In Addis Ababa.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    It’s fresh in Marrakesh
    Horizontal rain on the Serengeti Plain.
    There’s a chill in Brazzaville.
    An iceberg in Johannesburg.
    Windy in Windhoek
    Weeing down in Lilongwe
    It’s cagoules in Kigali.

    Stone cold in Livingstone

    Rain stops play in Table Bay.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,957

    Has @Big_G_NorthWales popped up yet to say how he always supported Liz Truss?

    No - not ever - Rishi for me and frankly am on holiday and if the conservative party want to go into opposition then that is for them
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,491

    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    Eh?
    No it isn't.


    About suffering they were never wrong,
    The old Masters: how well they understood
    Its human position: how it takes place
    While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
    How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
    For the miraculous birth, there always must be
    Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
    On a pond at the edge of the wood:
    They never forgot
    That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
    Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
    Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
    Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.

    In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
    Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
    Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
    But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
    As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
    Water, and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
    Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
    Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.


  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be wrong
    Except that, he’s right. Large parts of the US, Europe and the Middle East have been hotter than the UK this week.


    Ask and ye shall find:

    https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1548268184742293504?t=ggbyXum1vyyp3VqdQ-Oy-Q&s=19
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Andy_JS said:

    "@SkyNews

    It's "astonishing" the Tory leadership contest is taking place during the heatwave says London Mayor Sadiq Khan"

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549446574354358279

    I wonder what Khan thinks London is going to do in 2050 when these temps are regular.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,450

    No need for an aircon car.

    In Addis Ababa.

    But you need it in your sedan in Sudan.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,008
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be wrong
    Except that, he’s right. Large parts of the US, Europe and the Middle East have been hotter than the UK this week.


    No he's not. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    It is universally considered as "stinking hot" by almost everyone

    And London was one of THE hottest capital cities on earth, today. Very few went over 40C

    Madrid: 35C
    Rome: 37C
    Berlin: 35C
    Cairo - CAIRO - 37C
    Moscow: 20C
    New Delhi - NEW DELHI - 32C
    Beijing: 34C
    Tokyo: 36C
    Jakarta: 33C
    Rio de Janeiro:27C
    Mexico City: 28C

    London? 40C
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
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  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited July 2022
    Foxy said:

    Does the plume mean that areas of Africa are currently experiencing Skegness conditions? They'll be begging for their weather back.

    "Algiers is so bracing!"
    I think Boris's jogging pic earlier must have triggered a subconscious memory in us both.
    Yes, there is a resemblance...


    v…



  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    TimS said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    It is delightful this evening in Devon. Can just about get away with shorts and T-shirt, but getting fresh to the point I might need another layer.
    Still fucking hot in Camden. Back up to 34C at nearly 8pm. I opened my windows and blinds to quick

    It is now muggier as well. Ugh

    Hurry up and rain
    No chance of rain in London til tomorrow afternoon according to forecasts. Ditto here in Hertfordshire, which we could really use right now given that significant chunks of the county are now on fire.
    Apart from the rain approaching from the west right now... :)
    Raining here in Brockley (lightly) now. Must be the hottest rain on record.

    Remarkably the grapes on my garden Chardonnay vine have shrivelled in the heat today. SE London too hot for viticulture.
    On the plus side, you've just grown some raisins.
  • BalrogBalrog Posts: 207

    Beginning to feel a tad tropically stickier as the temperature comes down. I now feel as if I should be wearing one of Roger Moore's ridiculously big-collared safari shirts, from "Moonraker", and sitting by a pool to pass the evening, cocktail in hand.

    I expect in Mayfair, or deepest Surrey, someone is doing such a thing right

    now.

    I’m in a beer garden, where it has gone from being searing hot to tropically humid in the last two hours!
    I have my feet in a pool in deepest Surrey, and now it’s raining on me!
    Where is deepest Surrey, not much rain in Guildford...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,842
    Endillion said:



    I did vote buckethead. It is true.

    But what is Mayor actually saying there, everything has to stop, rather than just take precautions and be sensible about it? Cancel all sport. Cancel all politics, cancel all shopping? Close all pubs and bars, cancel all beer gardens?

    How about a few words from him on now we are 40+ London now and heat domes more regular on us, how he will now change his own policys and push for change on infrastructure planning, transport planning, environmental planning, and extreme weather planning and messaging - instead of a rather inane party political dig?

    You know I’m right.

    You mean Binface.

    Who would have done a better job than the utter narcissist we elected instead.
    I seem to recall the Conservative Mayor of London weighing in on the Labour leadership election in 2015 - it's all part of the warp and weft of politics. The Mayor of London is a position with no meaningful power but a lot of prestige and presence so it naturally attracts politicians with big egos who like to play to the crowd.

    On the substantive - how London can be better prepared for hotter temperatures in the future - there's not a lot the Mayor can do because his office doesn't have any real power. At local level, the Boroughs are responsible for immediate mitigation (Newham has opened four public buildings as "cool shelters" with fans and free water/soft drinks targeted mainly but not exclusively at the elderly and the homeless (let's not forget them, it's not much fun sleeping rough in these conditions)).

    As for infrastructural changes to roads, tube lines and the like, that will take millions if not billions in capital investment and that can only come from central Government. The idea of a non air con tube in this weather stopping in a deep tunnel terrifies me - it's probably nearer 50c in some of the deeper tunnels)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    edited July 2022

    The case for Liz Truss is:

    - She's the most qualified candidate, more so than Rishi and far more than Penny
    - She rose to become economic director in Cable & Wireless and was deputy director of Reform, where she advocated education reform, before she entered parliament - and authored several education reform reports
    - She's been in the Cabinet since 2014 and served under three PMs
    - She's done DEFRA, Justice, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, International Trade and Foreign Secretary
    - She's therefore probably not an idiot and at least half-competent
    - She works hard and delivers, which even her detractors grudgingly admit
    - She has at least some retail offer, including deregulation and tax cuts, and a plan for the cost-of-living crisis
    - She challenges the establishment thinking rather than just accepting it as gospel, unlike Rishi
    - She's stood up to orthodox thinking on self-ID and gender identity politics
    - She's stood up to Putin and Russia, and told them where to go (who consequently hate her)

    The case against Liz Truss is really that she's Liz Truss. She's a bit rude, a loose cannon and has little empathy or ability to connect with people, and is a poor communicator.

    But, can she do the job?

    Yes.

    And is she a step up from the current incumbent?

    Most definitely.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably
    be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be
    wrong
    Indeed. I’d say most humans consider the perfect summer climate 30c, clear skies, nice breeze. The idea that millions of people worldwide actively seek out 40c is PB Garbage at its most extreme. Bart should check the prices of Las Vegas in August. Cheap and - in his eyes - ideal.

    Except the weather hasn't been 40C in the UK today for most of the time. At the very peak 40.3C was registered in some part of the UK, for almost all the day actually temperature was in the 30s not the 40s which is very pleasant.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That's the first time I have ever heard a newscaster turn to a weather forecaster and say "Ah thankyou, thank God it's getting cooler and rainier" (or words to that extent)

    A cultural change

    Nothing could be more stereotypically British culture than moaning about the weather.

    Even good weather.
    It's all about perspective, but about 98% of humanity would not call 40C "good weather"

    But you do you, it's a free country
    Get a cold drink and a pool and stay hydrated. Its glorious weather.

    People pay good money to travel to enjoy this weather.
    Nobody ever flies: hoping to encounter 40C

    Why? Because it is too dangerously hot to do anything by day (especially with burning sun). You can't go walking, you can't play sport, you can't lie on a beach, you can't have picnics, it is stifling for the healthy and dangerous for the vulnerable. All you can do is cower indoors in aircon, or shrink away into shade and pray it goes

    It's just not fun. You might find it fun, but, really, virtually all other humans do not
    Nobody does? Don't be silly. For someone who claims to be so well travelled you seem to be ignorant of the fact that this is moderate weather for much of the world. And beaches will be packed in this heat too, anywhere with popular beaches that is used to this weather.

    If you need to cover from this, I wouldn't recommend you visit Death Valley.
    The UK was one of the hottest places on earth, today. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    This is palpable bollocks, like your claim that Florida sees 40C for six months of the year

    And, speaking as an experienced traveller, I can assure you that no one flies in the hope of being greeted by 40C when they arrive

    This is a stupid argument. You are wrong. I know you find that hard to accept. but it would probably be better for your mood if you learned how to admit, occasionally, that Yes, you can be wrong
    Except that, he’s right. Large parts of the US, Europe and the Middle East have been hotter than the UK this week.


    No he's not. 40C is not "moderate weather for much of the world"

    It is universally considered as "stinking hot" by almost everyone

    And London was one of THE hottest capital cities on earth, today. Very few went over 40C

    Madrid: 35C
    Rome: 37C
    Berlin: 35C
    Cairo - CAIRO - 37C
    Moscow: 20C
    New Delhi - NEW DELHI - 32C
    Beijing: 34C
    Tokyo: 36C
    Jakarta: 33C
    Rio de Janeiro:27C
    Mexico City: 28C

    London? 40C
    What about Riyadh.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,496
    AOC pretends to be handcuffed by police:

    https://twitter.com/douglaskblair/status/1549445391585878022
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