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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,923
    Another Russian ammunition warehouse caught fire and blew up about 5 a.m. today reportedly in Raiske, a suburb of Russian-occupied Nova Kakhovka in Kherson Oblast.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1548913257972260864
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I presume we’ve done this?

    The Spectator has unearthed a speech by Penny Mordaunt to LGBT activists in 2018, in which she suggests her strategy is to 'not be straight' about gender legislation. She says she ‘can’t be seen to be helping with’ proposed laws she privately champions

    https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1548727092765941764
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Mr. B, gosh, how sad.

    Still, at least the exploding ammunition warehouse will have proved a useful alarm for anyone at risk of sleeping in.
  • Nigelb said:

    Another Russian ammunition warehouse caught fire and blew up about 5 a.m. today reportedly in Raiske, a suburb of Russian-occupied Nova Kakhovka in Kherson Oblast.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1548913257972260864

    This heatwave takes another casualty.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Morning all! I'm facing up to a terrifying 26c peak tomorrow, so will send cooling waves of sympathy southwards. Meanwhile I see that the rail industry has rather sensibly pulled the plug on various operations over the next two days. As the forecast temperatures are above the bucking temperature of rails and sag temperature of some of the older / cheaper overhead power wire installations, it seems sensible. What is left running is expecting some Railtrackesque emergency speed restrictions.

    So, cue the hoardes trying to get the train to Blackpool or Skegness or some other place which will be godawful in the heat, having a bad journey there, then getting stuck, then the newspapers soiling themselves in excitement at all the coverage of poor families left stranded and roasted by wastrel unions refusing to operate trains just because they didn't want to kill people.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    I presume we’ve done this?

    The Spectator has unearthed a speech by Penny Mordaunt to LGBT activists in 2018, in which she suggests her strategy is to 'not be straight' about gender legislation. She says she ‘can’t be seen to be helping with’ proposed laws she privately champions

    https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1548727092765941764

    The top 3 candidates are all unsuitable. If the MPs are going to exclude Kemi and TT, then I wish their supporters would just collapse the government and force a general election straight away.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,014
    edited July 2022

    Please remember to put water out for the birds for the next couple of days. Something not too deep or with a brick/stone in for them to stand on. Ta.

    Ideal is one of those plastic shallow saucers that a plant pot stands stands in.

    I'm just off for a bike through the various country parks around our town.
  • Ms* Moonshine, the prequels have aged very well, thanks to the flaws being clunkiness rather than buggering up established characters, the meme-heavy dialogue, and delightful Obi-wan/Palpatine moments.

    *hoping I remembered rightly.

    And because he neutered Jar Jar Binks after the first one.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,496

    Cicero said:

    There is a story circulating in Finland which is extremely negative for a key figure in the British Cabinet. I understand that there is considerable litigation underway concerning this story, so for the sake of OGH I will neither report what or who. However, it is extremely serious. Though the various rumoured injunctions and even super injuctions may hold for a while, I think that the story may still break quite soon. The new Conservative leader might be facing a near existential threat to the well being of the party.

    Blimey. This is where we need Leon and his amazing twitter skills, so it is a shame about his ban.
    Half the cabinet probably don't know where Finland is, so that might narrow it down a bit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    I presume we’ve done this?

    The Spectator has unearthed a speech by Penny Mordaunt to LGBT activists in 2018, in which she suggests her strategy is to 'not be straight' about gender legislation. She says she ‘can’t be seen to be helping with’ proposed laws she privately champions

    https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1548727092765941764

    Oh dear oh dear.

    We know that politicians are experts at talking out of both sides of their mouth, but Ms Mourdaunt has probably killed off her own campaign with this story.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Miss Vance, that's not going to endear her to the party.

    Mr. Roberts, aye. And yet, he's still far better than many of the sequel characters.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    Cicero said:

    There is a story circulating in Finland which is extremely negative for a key figure in the British Cabinet. I understand that there is considerable litigation underway concerning this story, so for the sake of OGH I will neither report what or who. However, it is extremely serious. Though the various rumoured injunctions and even super injuctions may hold for a while, I think that the story may still break quite soon. The new Conservative leader might be facing a near existential threat to the well being of the party.

    Blimey. This is where we need Leon and his amazing twitter skills, so it is a shame about his ban.
    Half the cabinet probably don't know where Finland is, so that might narrow it down a bit.
    Sunak family investments in Russia perchance? Or given the story is in Finland, perhaps it’s about one of Caninet arguing against arms for Ukraine or NATO for Finland/Sweden.

    Cummings has been attracting a lot of attention online for his “realist” Kissinger view of how the war should end, leading of course to Sunak having to publicly deny he has a role in his campaign team.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,014
    edited July 2022

    Good morning, good morning all! Temperature here, according to my app, 22°, forecast to rise to 37°.

    I shall keep the windows open, and the doors and admire (some of) the comments on PB!

    Surely open windows link you thermally with the outside, so guarantee that the inside of the house will also hit 37C ?

    Perhaps sea breezes compensate.

    Normal practice is cool it to the minimum then seal, aiui, and close curtains / blinds with ambient sunlight.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,605
    One of the features of this campaign is how the Daily Mail has gone for Mordaunt. I hope Tories, who usually go along with it, take pause and realise the harm that paper can do. Nasty.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    Must be following Raab's idiotic advice of enjoying the heat and sunshine.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    Miss Vance, that's not going to endear her to the party.

    Mr. Roberts, aye. And yet, he's still far better than many of the sequel characters.

    The sequels were like that old schoolboy game where one person writes a line of a story and folds over the paper and passes it on. In isolation each movie is entertaining enough but there’s no cohesion to the plotting at all. Very bizarre approach given this is the same studio that is intricately tying together dozens of movies and tv shows into a coherent arc with Marvel.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,963
    edited July 2022
    jonny83 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    Must be following Raab's idiotic advice of enjoying the heat and sunshine.
    Its not idiotic, we have some glorious weather that you'd normally have to go overseas for. Enjoy it.

    People are making out like its 50C weather due.

    Keep hydrated, use the shade, and enjoy it. 🌞
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,014
    A prize for anyone who successfully fries an egg on their car?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,923

    Ms* Moonshine, the prequels have aged very well, thanks to the flaws being clunkiness rather than buggering up established characters, the meme-heavy dialogue, and delightful Obi-wan/Palpatine moments.

    *hoping I remembered rightly.

    And because he neutered Jar Jar Binks after the first one.
    I don't recall that scene.
    Would certainly have increased the appeal of the movie.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    edited July 2022

    Please remember to put water out for the birds for the next couple of days. Something not too deep or with a brick/stone in for them to stand on. Ta.

    We have a bird bath in our small garden. We keep it topped up and the antics of the birds in it or a source of amusement. The blackbirds are the ones that really seem to enjoy it although they bathe alone semi: sparrows are communal!
  • Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,900

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Mr. Doethur, I bet fools heading to the beach will soon discover just how much they hate sand.

    Leicester City Council has closed its beach:

    Please note that Leicester's beach and funfair on Humberstone Gate will be closed on Monday and Tuesday as the Met Office issues its first ever Red warning for exceptional heat.
    #UKHeatwave #Heatwave

    More here: https://t.co/dAAeS8HzIY https://t.co/JWc545TLXe
    That should save your colleagues a few heatstroke admissions.

    I get the feeling that Brighton beach this afternoon, is going to look like it did the day they put on a free Fatboy Slim concert - when what they should be doing, is lighting every sign board on the A23, saying “Beach is Closed”
    To be fair, the very south coast is forecast to be cooler than inland. Southampton 31, Brighton 33, for instance.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469

    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    It won’t be 40 at the beach. Moderating effect of cool U.K. seas.
    I am not a lounge-on-the-beach person. But one of the nicest seaside experiences I had was at Sandwood Bay, in the far northwest of Scotland. There is a very shallow loch separated from the sea by a small stream and sand dunes. It was a warm, sunny day, and because it was so shallow, the water of the loch had heated up nicely. We would swim in the loch and run over the dunes or down the stream into the cooling sea.

    Magical. I've got a picture on the living room wall of my ex-gf (*) wading in the loch, with my tent on the northern side of the stream, and th sand dunes and the cliffs and Am Buachaill behind.

    I've only been to Sandwood Bay twice, and each time it has been in glorious weather. I think I'm lucky...

    (*) Mrs J is *very* understanding... ;)
  • eekeek Posts: 28,264
    edited July 2022

    Morning all! I'm facing up to a terrifying 26c peak tomorrow, so will send cooling waves of sympathy southwards. Meanwhile I see that the rail industry has rather sensibly pulled the plug on various operations over the next two days. As the forecast temperatures are above the bucking temperature of rails and sag temperature of some of the older / cheaper overhead power wire installations, it seems sensible. What is left running is expecting some Railtrackesque emergency speed restrictions.

    So, cue the hoardes trying to get the train to Blackpool or Skegness or some other place which will be godawful in the heat, having a bad journey there, then getting stuck, then the newspapers soiling themselves in excitement at all the coverage of poor families left stranded and roasted by wastrel unions refusing to operate trains just because they didn't want to kill people.

    Well my day now features driving Mrs Eek to Manchester Airport as the trains TPExpress cancelled are the ones to and from the airport.

    What should be a 2 hour journey now look like 5 hours minimum with added grief and risk so its easier for me to lose 1/2 day driving.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,923

    Cicero said:

    There is a story circulating in Finland which is extremely negative for a key figure in the British Cabinet. I understand that there is considerable litigation underway concerning this story, so for the sake of OGH I will neither report what or who. However, it is extremely serious. Though the various rumoured injunctions and even super injuctions may hold for a while, I think that the story may still break quite soon. The new Conservative leader might be facing a near existential threat to the well being of the party.

    Blimey. This is where we need Leon and his amazing twitter skills, so it is a shame about his ban.
    Half the cabinet probably don't know where Finland is, so that might narrow it down a bit.
    Not Raab, then.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Ms. Moonshine, it's especially crackers given how they handled Luke Skywalker.

    From so hopeful he refused to kill his child-murdering genocidal father, to so fearful (way to the dark side, incidentally) he was on the verge of killing a close relative in his sleep.

    And the tone of TLJ was just nuts. The escape from Not-Hoth tries to be all serious and dramatic, yet has Poe making a prank call, which both undercuts any sense of tension and makes Hux into a joke character.

    *sighs*
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,638

    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    It won’t be 40 at the beach. Moderating effect of cool U.K. seas.

    The heat has made the sea around Sidmouth swimmable even for people like me with thin skin and old bones - that is, if you are happy to share the water with the raw sewage that South West Water continually pumps into it.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    MattW said:

    Good morning, good morning all! Temperature here, according to my app, 22°, forecast to rise to 37°.

    I shall keep the windows open, and the doors and admire (some of) the comments on PB!

    Surely open windows link you thermally with the outside, so guarantee that the inside of the house will also hit 37C ?

    Perhaps sea breezes compensate.

    Normal practice is cool it to the minimum then seal, aiui, and close curtains / blinds with ambient sunlight.
    No sea breezes here! What we do is leave the windows open but close the curtains to get the benefit of any wind that there is.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,605

    Ms. Moonshine, it's especially crackers given how they handled Luke Skywalker.

    From so hopeful he refused to kill his child-murdering genocidal father, to so fearful (way to the dark side, incidentally) he was on the verge of killing a close relative in his sleep.

    And the tone of TLJ was just nuts. The escape from Not-Hoth tries to be all serious and dramatic, yet has Poe making a prank call, which both undercuts any sense of tension and makes Hux into a joke character.

    *sighs*

    The Star Wars sequels, sigh. Even worse than the Tory leadership contest. But are there lessons?

    In round 4 will a voice from the past re-emerge? Will it transpire that Thatcher is not dead and seeks to govern the galaxy? I imagine some would be delighted.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,319
    Sandpit said:

    I presume we’ve done this?

    The Spectator has unearthed a speech by Penny Mordaunt to LGBT activists in 2018, in which she suggests her strategy is to 'not be straight' about gender legislation. She says she ‘can’t be seen to be helping with’ proposed laws she privately champions

    https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1548727092765941764

    Oh dear oh dear.

    We know that politicians are experts at talking out of both sides of their mouth, but Ms Mourdaunt has probably killed off her own campaign with this story.
    She demonstrated she is open minded.

    It would have been better (even in the light of the anti-woke madness that is the Conservative Party) to embrace her enlightened attitudes and move on to how she would repair the economy and cleanse the nation from Johnsonianism, rather than spend three ( ok 2 1/2) debates falsely rewriting her own history.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316

    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    It won’t be 40 at the beach. Moderating effect of cool U.K. seas.

    The heat has made the sea around Sidmouth swimmable even for people like me with thin skin and old bones - that is, if you are happy to share the water with the raw sewage that South West Water continually pumps into it.

    Just ignore the brown lumps?

    It’s my understanding that most sewage discharge occurs during rain when the systematic cannot cope. If that’s the case for your area right now should be cleaner than normal...

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    edited July 2022
    Mr. Jonathan, I suspect building a Death Star is the kind of overblown project that Blair/Brown might favour, using PFI to keep it off the books and foolishly throwing away half the rebate back to the Galactic Union for nothing.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,605

    Mr. Jonathan, I suspect building a Death Star is the kind of overblown project that Blair/Brown might favour, using PFI to keep it off the books and foolishly throwing away half the rebate back to the Galactic Union for nothing.

    Surely, that’s a classic Boris moonshot? The Death Star trench, with a garden perhaps. Or maybe reuse it as an airport.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316
    Jonathan said:

    Ms. Moonshine, it's especially crackers given how they handled Luke Skywalker.

    From so hopeful he refused to kill his child-murdering genocidal father, to so fearful (way to the dark side, incidentally) he was on the verge of killing a close relative in his sleep.

    And the tone of TLJ was just nuts. The escape from Not-Hoth tries to be all serious and dramatic, yet has Poe making a prank call, which both undercuts any sense of tension and makes Hux into a joke character.

    *sighs*

    The Star Wars sequels, sigh. Even worse than the Tory leadership contest. But are there lessons?

    In round 4 will a voice from the past re-emerge? Will it transpire that Thatcher is not dead and seeks to govern the galaxy? I imagine some would be delighted.
    I quite like the force awakens. Yes it’s basically a remake of a new hope, but it was fast paced, did that thing of bringing in new characters without labouring the back story (the original Star Wars idea of landing in the middle of the story) and mostly fun.

    But yes, the disjointed mess that followed. If still only seen the 2nd and 3rd films once. Just cannot bring myself to sit through them again.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,638
    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

  • XipeXipe Posts: 47
    Mordaunt is doomed by that story
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280
    eek said:

    Morning all! I'm facing up to a terrifying 26c peak tomorrow, so will send cooling waves of sympathy southwards. Meanwhile I see that the rail industry has rather sensibly pulled the plug on various operations over the next two days. As the forecast temperatures are above the bucking temperature of rails and sag temperature of some of the older / cheaper overhead power wire installations, it seems sensible. What is left running is expecting some Railtrackesque emergency speed restrictions.

    So, cue the hoardes trying to get the train to Blackpool or Skegness or some other place which will be godawful in the heat, having a bad journey there, then getting stuck, then the newspapers soiling themselves in excitement at all the coverage of poor families left stranded and roasted by wastrel unions refusing to operate trains just because they didn't want to kill people.

    Well my day now features driving Mrs Eek to Manchester Airport as the trains TPExpress cancelled are the ones to and from the airport.

    What should be a 2 hour journey now look like 5 hours minimum with added grief and risk so its easier for me to lose 1/2 day driving.
    By this stage having the day ending in a y is sufficient for TPExpress to bin 80% of its service and go to emergency strike level operation. They never got off the COVID emergency timetable and typically run further emergency cancellations, plus emergency strike day service 30-40% of the time (which is a 1/6 daytime only service). And then run that skeleton service at December 2019 reliability levels.

    They have truly collapsed as an organisation.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    F1: backed Perez at 14 (each way, with boost) and 16 (same basis) at Ladbrokes to win in France.

    While Mercedes have narrowed the gap, on pace the top two should still be there. Both drivers were unlucky last time but are driving well and if the misfortune strikes the other way around then they could repeat their 1-2 finish from... the UK.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Mr. Jonathan, the jester might talk about it, but he'd be unable to actually get anything done (cf the 'rush for nuclear').
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,694
    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.
  • Has this been done? Rishi now beating Mordaunt in a run-off according to ConHome: https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/17/next-tory-leader-run-offs-sunak-would-now-beat-mordaunt-truss-would-beat-both-of-them/

    As always I'd take polling with a pinch of salt, but it just goes to emphasise what I said to @HYUFD before all this began, that the polls could change over the course of the leadership race.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    You'd rather smear a source than engage in the substance?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,075
    edited July 2022
    Jonathan said:

    Ms. Moonshine, it's especially crackers given how they handled Luke Skywalker.

    From so hopeful he refused to kill his child-murdering genocidal father, to so fearful (way to the dark side, incidentally) he was on the verge of killing a close relative in his sleep.

    And the tone of TLJ was just nuts. The escape from Not-Hoth tries to be all serious and dramatic, yet has Poe making a prank call, which both undercuts any sense of tension and makes Hux into a joke character.

    *sighs*

    The Star Wars sequels, sigh. Even worse than the Tory leadership contest. But are there lessons?

    In round 4 will a voice from the past re-emerge? Will it transpire that Thatcher is not dead and seeks to govern the galaxy? I imagine some would be delighted.
    The problem is that she was past her sell-by date 30 years ago (as indeed was the Star Wars franchise), and despite electoral victories, the Conservatives have lost all of the intellectual spark that underlined her government. Now it is a feeble travesty based on moronic lies and PR bullshit.

    Despite what you hear from any of the Conservative leadership candidates, administration is hard. The UK administration is hollowed out by short term, inadequate funding and a lack of strategic policy making at every level from national to parish/community. Every government is now in firefighting mode which dooms them to failure from the start. The fact that the last three PMs have been manifestly inadequate is only the the cherry on the cake of crap. Plenty of politicians are prepared to accept that major administrative and budgetery refrom is needed (its a good slogan), but they are only prepared to sanction the destruction of what we have now, rather than lay out any effective and costed programme for the necessary changes.

    The physical decay of the Palace of Westminister itself is a metaphor for the erosion of Britain as a whole. Decades of short term fixes are now failing and the scale of the job is now so big no one wants to grasp the nettle to solve it. In the end, if they fail to take the radical steps (move out and give the workers a chance to address the crisis) then the place will either burn down or otherwise collapse. The fact that the "Elizabeth Tower" (aka Big Ben) is now nice and shiny does not disguise the rest of the building is a rat infested death trap.

    I see nothing in any of the Tory candidates that is anything but mediocre or worse. Rishi is Jar Jar Binks, several of the others are probably Sith Lords. Darth Dormant any one?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,273

    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    It won’t be 40 at the beach. Moderating effect of cool U.K. seas.

    The heat has made the sea around Sidmouth swimmable even for people like me with thin skin and old bones - that is, if you are happy to share the water with the raw sewage that South West Water continually pumps into it.

    Just ignore the brown lumps?

    It’s my understanding that most sewage discharge occurs during rain when the systematic cannot cope. If that’s the case for your area right now should be cleaner than normal...

    Another big issue is rainwater washing Gull feaces into the sea, there being an artificially elevated population of the birds scavenging on human detritus in these seaside towns. Still mainly an issue following rain.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,954
    moonshine said:

    We can talk all day about this story and Russian violinists. But it’s hard to refute that love him or hate him, Boris Johnson has been the biggest thorn in Putin’s side among major European leaders.

    The moral of that tale being that BoZo fucks over every single person he ever meets...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    MaxPB said:

    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.

    Have you read the story? There is very little to it, and we have to assume the Spectator has published the most damning sections.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/revealed-penny-mordaunt-s-hidden-equalities-agenda
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,638
    MaxPB said:

    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.

    Looks like Sunak v Truss. The ERG would never forgive Sunak for winning that.

  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835

    Sandpit said:

    I see that every single UK newspaper, except for the Guardian, chooses to illustrate their weather story with pictures of people on the beach.

    Irresponsible in the extreme. Don’t go to the beach if it’s 40ºC outside.

    It won’t be 40 at the beach. Moderating effect of cool U.K. seas.
    Though depending on where you are, it won't necessarily be that much different. 37°C at Southend today, for example. Brighton is better, but still above 30°C. To get more tolerable seaside conditions in England, you need to go to certain parts of the far North or the South West. Based on an unscientific trawl through the forecasts, the Cornwall and Dorset coasts look OK (rain in the former on Tuesday; the latter looks more settled,) as do Cumberland and Northumberland.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Met saying it will be 32 degrees here when I am heading to bed this evening at 10:30ish.

    Jeez. This is going to be a total nightmare.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2022

    Miss Vance, that's not going to endear her to the party.

    Mr. Roberts, aye. And yet, he's still far better than many of the sequel characters.

    I'm in the unusual position of liking the prequels and sequels. Plenty of flaws, they have different weaknesses, but I cannot really get on board with the memey hate.
  • Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    You'd rather smear a source than engage in the substance?
    Yes, I'm not going to give Codswallop the time of day, just as plenty here would say the same about Guido.

    The substance is that Boris's Britain has been Ukraine's closest and fiercest European ally, and Putin's greatest European enemy. That is the substance.

    Codswallop, Guido and the rest of the muckrakers can try and shift their own agenda onto everything, but lets stick with the substance.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Windows ought always to be shut if the air temperature outside exceeds that inside, otherwise you're just increasing the speed at which the air inside the building heats.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Mr. Borough, may be an idea to get a nap during the day, if you can?

    I'm an insomniac, but may try and get in a siesta.

    Mr. kle4, well, fair enough. People like different things. It's not like you've said something morally and intellectually offensive, like claiming Caesar was a better general than Hannibal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Met saying it will be 32 degrees here when I am heading to bed this evening at 10:30ish.

    Jeez. This is going to be a total nightmare.

    That doesn't sound too bad. That's the temperature in the the South of France at the moment and it's ridiculously busy and people are paying a fortune for those temperatures
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    As always look at the story and not the outlet. Its not as if the stuff she is saying is only being said by her or is baseless.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745

    Has this been done? Rishi now beating Mordaunt in a run-off according to ConHome: https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/17/next-tory-leader-run-offs-sunak-would-now-beat-mordaunt-truss-would-beat-both-of-them/

    As always I'd take polling with a pinch of salt, but it just goes to emphasise what I said to @HYUFD before all this began, that the polls could change over the course of the leadership race.

    Opinium already had Sunak beating Truss and Mordaunt. Differences between them, Yougov and Conhome may be down to sampling. There was a large influx of new members (the party grew by 50 per cent in 2018-19) and it may be this has meant it is harder to find representative samples. Or, as you say, minds might have been changed by the debates.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Ms. Moonshine, it's especially crackers given how they handled Luke Skywalker.

    From so hopeful he refused to kill his child-murdering genocidal father, to so fearful (way to the dark side, incidentally) he was on the verge of killing a close relative in his sleep.

    And the tone of TLJ was just nuts. The escape from Not-Hoth tries to be all serious and dramatic, yet has Poe making a prank call, which both undercuts any sense of tension and makes Hux into a joke character.

    *sighs*

    Hux was always a joke. His screeching empire wannabe stuff in force awakens ensured that? I really like the Last Jedi, and maintain many of the problems of the last one came from overcorrection to appease butthurt fanboys, since they had set the stage to go in slightly new directions.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,273

    Mr. Borough, may be an idea to get a nap during the day, if you can?

    I'm an insomniac, but may try and get in a siesta.

    Mr. kle4, well, fair enough. People like different things. It's not like you've said something morally and intellectually offensive, like claiming Caesar was a better general than Hannibal.

    Following Covid I've been napping during the day on occasion. It's one of the most disconcerting experiences of my life.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    After the weekend and the continuing Penny drama it looks like we are basically looking at Sunak or Truss as our next PM.

    In some ways that’s always been the most likely choice given the Tories are in government. It would have been nice to see a new broom break through given the mess of the Boris government but looks like it was not to be…
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    You'd rather smear a source than engage in the substance?
    Yes, I'm not going to give Codswallop the time of day, just as plenty here would say the same about Guido.

    The substance is that Boris's Britain has been Ukraine's closest and fiercest European ally, and Putin's greatest European enemy. That is the substance.

    Codswallop, Guido and the rest of the muckrakers can try and shift their own agenda onto everything, but lets stick with the substance.
    Thats the substance now. The story describes events before now. And had it been PM Milliband - whos dad was a Commie Traitor remember - slipping his minders to fly straight from the NATO summit to meet with the KGB you would have been fine with it? Course you would...

    Apply the same rules to everyone or they are not rules. At the very least the smirking bully was rightly fired for doing the same with a friendly country. Russia is far from friendly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Met saying it will be 32 degrees here when I am heading to bed this evening at 10:30ish.

    Jeez. This is going to be a total nightmare.

    Plenty of nightshift workers will be familiar with the problem of trying to sleep in high temperatures.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,228
    Days like today Fahrenheit comes into its own. "101" (over the top) seems much more descriptive than "38" (way to go).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469
    Roger said:

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Met saying it will be 32 degrees here when I am heading to bed this evening at 10:30ish.

    Jeez. This is going to be a total nightmare.

    That doesn't sound too bad. That's the temperature in the the South of France at the moment and it's ridiculously busy and people are paying a fortune for those temperatures
    I think it's probably the context. The South of France is more used to getting high temperatures, and so the people and infrastructure are used to it, and designed for it. It is *very* unusual up here, which means that our buildings are designed more to keep us warm and catch the sun where possible, not avoid it. And our infrastructure is not designed to cope with it.

    Some places (e.g. Texas) have troubles when a heavy snow falls for the same reason: their infrastructure is designed around warmer temperatures, and the people are not used to it. Although it seems Texas' power infrastructure cannot cope with cold weather, or hot weather given recent stories...

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/11/texas-heatwave-power-grid-ercot
  • XipeXipe Posts: 47
    Roger said:

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Met saying it will be 32 degrees here when I am heading to bed this evening at 10:30ish.

    Jeez. This is going to be a total nightmare.

    That doesn't sound too bad. That's the temperature in the the South of France at the moment and it's ridiculously busy and people are paying a fortune for those temperatures
    You wanking idiot. He’s saying it will be 32C at night when he goes to bed and tries to sleep. Unprecedented in Britain

    Not in the south of France in broad daylight
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,273
    kle4 said:

    Ms. Moonshine, it's especially crackers given how they handled Luke Skywalker.

    From so hopeful he refused to kill his child-murdering genocidal father, to so fearful (way to the dark side, incidentally) he was on the verge of killing a close relative in his sleep.

    And the tone of TLJ was just nuts. The escape from Not-Hoth tries to be all serious and dramatic, yet has Poe making a prank call, which both undercuts any sense of tension and makes Hux into a joke character.

    *sighs*

    Hux was always a joke. His screeching empire wannabe stuff in force awakens ensured that? I really like the Last Jedi, and maintain many of the problems of the last one came from overcorrection to appease butthurt fanboys, since they had set the stage to go in slightly new directions.
    The main problem with the last film is that Carrie Fisher had died. For the sequels the first film was about Han Solo, the second Like Skywalker, and so the last film should have been about Leia Organa.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    MattW said:

    Please remember to put water out for the birds for the next couple of days. Something not too deep or with a brick/stone in for them to stand on. Ta.

    Ideal is one of those plastic shallow saucers that a plant pot stands stands in.

    I'm just off for a bike through the various country parks around our town.
    It’s also useful for nocturnal animals like Hedgehogs
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    You'd rather smear a source than engage in the substance?
    Yes, I'm not going to give Codswallop the time of day, just as plenty here would say the same about Guido.

    The substance is that Boris's Britain has been Ukraine's closest and fiercest European ally, and Putin's greatest European enemy. That is the substance.

    Codswallop, Guido and the rest of the muckrakers can try and shift their own agenda onto everything, but lets stick with the substance.
    Thats the substance now. The story describes events before now. And had it been PM Milliband - whos dad was a Commie Traitor remember - slipping his minders to fly straight from the NATO summit to meet with the KGB you would have been fine with it? Course you would...

    Apply the same rules to everyone or they are not rules. At the very least the smirking bully was rightly fired for doing the same with a friendly country. Russia is far from friendly.
    "Russia is far from friendly."

    Well, Labour had Corbyn as leader for four years...

    But your general point is well made. The problem is that this is what Johnson does: he likes power and money, and he gravitates towards it. In this case, Russian money. It is a stupid trait of his, especially when combined with his other trait of never taking responsibility for his actions.

    Yet there is the other side of the ledger: if the Russian government sought to buy influence from him, then they utterly failed. He is an enemy of Russia.

    We'll have to wait for more details, but my best guess is that this was individual Russian money buying influence, and not the state's money. Remember, many of these oligarchs are looking firmly over their shoulders towards Putin and his assassins.

    But it is still an utterly stupid thing for him to have done. But also utterly characteristic.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    Cicero said:

    There is a story circulating in Finland which is extremely negative for a key figure in the British Cabinet. I understand that there is considerable litigation underway concerning this story, so for the sake of OGH I will neither report what or who. However, it is extremely serious. Though the various rumoured injunctions and even super injuctions may hold for a while, I think that the story may still break quite soon. The new Conservative leader might be facing a near existential threat to the well being of the party.

    It's got to be more serious than Johnson having sex with an underage donkey tethered to portrait of Lady Thatcher. The bar in this Cabinet is so low that wouldn't even make it into the Star let alone warrant an injunction.
  • XipeXipe Posts: 47

    Roger said:

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Met saying it will be 32 degrees here when I am heading to bed this evening at 10:30ish.

    Jeez. This is going to be a total nightmare.

    That doesn't sound too bad. That's the temperature in the the South of France at the moment and it's ridiculously busy and people are paying a fortune for those temperatures
    I think it's probably the context. The South of France is more used to getting high temperatures, and so the people and infrastructure are used to it, and designed for it. It is *very* unusual up here, which means that our buildings are designed more to keep us warm and catch the sun where possible, not avoid it. And our infrastructure is not designed to cope with it.

    Some places (e.g. Texas) have troubles when a heavy snow falls for the same reason: their infrastructure is designed around warmer temperatures, and the people are not used to it. Although it seems Texas' power infrastructure cannot cope with cold weather, or hot weather given recent stories...

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/11/texas-heatwave-power-grid-ercot
    Particularly noticeable is the east/northeast slant to this deathwave

    eg Sheffield. It is already hotter there than London - 25C versus 23C. It will stay hotter. It is predicted to reach 42C tomorrow in Sheffield - 39C in London

    That doesn’t just break Yorkshire/NE records. It obliterates them. Canadian heatdome, UK stylee
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325

    MaxPB said:

    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.

    Looks like Sunak v Truss. The ERG would never forgive Sunak for winning that.

    It’s going to be Truss, isn’t it.

    Heaven help us.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    moonshine said:

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    We should judge him on this by his actions rather than the appearance painted by the likes of Cadwalla. If Putin had kompramat on Boris Johnson, it’s not done him much good at his moment of need has it. Very much the opposite, given the leadership BJ provided first in continuing training the Ukrainian forces, then in publicly sharing intelligence about the impending invasion (which most of Europe and their sympathisers said was fakenews), then strong leadership over sanctions, arms and nato expansion.

    Is it not conceivable that British citizen Lebedev has shifted allegiance from Putin’s Russia to his adopted state? But that during the novichok crisis he was privy to intelligence from Russian sources that he felt compelled to share? But let’s face it, given the recent attack on the Skripal’s, how could he be sure that even his own handlers were not compromised? Better to go straight to the Foreign Secretary.

    We can talk all day about this story and Russian violinists. But it’s hard to refute that love him or hate him, Boris Johnson has been the biggest thorn in Putin’s side among major European leaders. And in fact that without his leadership on the matter, Ukraine might very well be facing a very different outcome.

    I’ve been dismayed by how little Ukraine has featured in the leaders debate so far. It’s the key issue, both in terms of growth and cost of living. What did the candidates really think in Jan/Feb this year? Because that’s the key indicator in knowing how they might behave this winter.

    You are mixing up the two Lebedevs, father and son. Boris's secret meeting was with Alexander, the former KGB man and Putin associate. Boris gave a peerage to (against MI6 advice but what do they know?) and accepted donations from the son, Evgeny.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.

    Looks like Sunak v Truss. The ERG would never forgive Sunak for winning that.

    It’s going to be Truss, isn’t it.

    Heaven help us.
    Only 2 years to a general election, perhaps less.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607
    This is really excellent advice on dealing with heat from an Aussie doctor. Could even be lifesaving. Pass around folks:


    Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts
    @EllieMRoberts

    I am a genuine Australian, here is some advice regarding dealing with the heat that's heading to England... if you have no aircon.

    https://twitter.com/EllieMRoberts/status/1548310703676669953
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798
    edited July 2022

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    You'd rather smear a source than engage in the substance?
    Yes, I'm not going to give Codswallop the time of day, just as plenty here would say the same about Guido.

    The substance is that Boris's Britain has been Ukraine's closest and fiercest European ally, and Putin's greatest European enemy. That is the substance.

    Codswallop, Guido and the rest of the muckrakers can try and shift their own agenda onto everything, but lets stick with the substance.
    Thats the substance now. The story describes events before now. And had it been PM Milliband - whos dad was a Commie Traitor remember - slipping his minders to fly straight from the NATO summit to meet with the KGB you would have been fine with it? Course you would...

    Apply the same rules to everyone or they are not rules. At the very least the smirking bully was rightly fired for doing the same with a friendly country. Russia is far from friendly.
    "Russia is far from friendly."

    Well, Labour had Corbyn as leader for four years...

    But your general point is well made. The problem is that this is what Johnson does: he likes power and money, and he gravitates towards it. In this case, Russian money. It is a stupid trait of his, especially when combined with his other trait of never taking responsibility for his actions.

    Yet there is the other side of the ledger: if the Russian government sought to buy influence from him, then they utterly failed. He is an enemy of Russia.

    We'll have to wait for more details, but my best guess is that this was individual Russian money buying influence, and not the state's money. Remember, many of these oligarchs are looking firmly over their shoulders towards Putin and his assassins.

    But it is still an utterly stupid thing for him to have done. But also utterly characteristic.
    Perhaps if the Tories are looking for spending cuts security clearance for those with classified information could be the first to go. There really is no point knowing what a junior analysts mum was doing 25 years ago if the people at the very top are happy to break all protocols for a few roubles.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798

    MaxPB said:

    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.

    Have you read the story? There is very little to it, and we have to assume the Spectator has published the most damning sections.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/revealed-penny-mordaunt-s-hidden-equalities-agenda
    I know the right like to say that the left keeps worrying about trans issues, but it's almost pure projection: they seem totally obsessed, like the church used to be on gay marriage. I can't remember it ever coming up at a CLP meeting.
    What is interesting is that the right do fervently believe it is the left who are raising the issues profile, and the left (including centre) believe it is the right. Both are adamant.

    In reality it is social media that amplifies it beyond any sensible level of importance.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    Slip, slap, slop is the Australian advice for hot weather.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    After the weekend and the continuing Penny drama it looks like we are basically looking at Sunak or Truss as our next PM.

    In some ways that’s always been the most likely choice given the Tories are in government. It would have been nice to see a new broom break through given the mess of the Boris government but looks like it was not to be…

    It will be interesting to see if the PM vote collapses today off the back of all the allegations. If so, KB and / or TT would be the main beneficiaries given they could be seen as fresh starts.

    The polling continues to be dire for Truss and there seems enough of an anti-Sunak faction that is determined to stop him. That usually creates an opportunity for a third candidate,
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    pigeon said:

    ClippP said:

    There’s a bit of a myth about A/C in the hot south of Europe. Certainly in Spain, a large number of private residences - probably most - don’t have it. I have good friends in a town near Barcelona, both with well-paid jobs, who have just moved into a new flat that is not equipped with it. Very few older places are. Remember, too, that it’s very expensive to run - especially at a time when energy prices are very high.

    The traditional antidote to the summer heat has always been shutters, open windows and shadowed areas on streets and in squares. For a lot of people that remains the case. Most of all, though, it has been the siesta. The southern Europeans were never lazy, they were just smart enough to know it’s absurd to work during the hottest part of the day.

    In my experience, Mr Observer, the recipe is for closed <|b> windows. They are open throughout the night, so that the cooler air gets in, but get closed once the sun has risen and the air gets hotter outside.

    Open windows and shutters shut if you live on the shady side of the street. Everything closed if you don't. That's how I remember it - but it was a few years ago!

    Windows ought always to be shut if the air temperature outside exceeds that inside, otherwise you're just increasing the speed at which the air inside the building heats.
    Keeping in mind there is generally quite a difference between direct sunlight (on a sunny day) and shade. For example, between a sun-drenched (or rather -beaten) south-facing patio, and a window opening onto an alleyway in deep shade.

    Your humble (or not) abode is your personal climate. And the rooms and their situations micro climates. Given unusual (if not unknown) weather, you might well end up with a tempest in (or rather about) your teapot!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    This is really excellent advice on dealing with heat from an Aussie doctor. Could even be lifesaving. Pass around folks:


    Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts
    @EllieMRoberts

    I am a genuine Australian, here is some advice regarding dealing with the heat that's heading to England... if you have no aircon.

    https://twitter.com/EllieMRoberts/status/1548310703676669953

    Yep, that’s all good advise.

    Curtains and windows closed during the day, drink lots of water, don’t go outside, drink lots of water, sunscreen, cotton clothing, drink lots of water, don’t forget the dog, wet cloth on the head, drink lots of water.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,386
    moonshine said:

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    We should judge him on this by his actions rather than the appearance painted by the likes of Cadwalla. If Putin had kompramat on Boris Johnson, it’s not done him much good at his moment of need has it. Very much the opposite, given the leadership BJ provided first in continuing training the Ukrainian forces, then in publicly sharing intelligence about the impending invasion (which most of Europe and their sympathisers said was fakenews), then strong leadership over sanctions, arms and nato expansion.

    Is it not conceivable that British citizen Lebedev has shifted allegiance from Putin’s Russia to his adopted state? But that during the novichok crisis he was privy to intelligence from Russian sources that he felt compelled to share? But let’s face it, given the recent attack on the Skripal’s, how could he be sure that even his own handlers were not compromised? Better to go straight to the Foreign Secretary.

    We can talk all day about this story and Russian violinists. But it’s hard to refute that love him or hate him, Boris Johnson has been the biggest thorn in Putin’s side among major European leaders. And in fact that without his leadership on the matter, Ukraine might very well be facing a very different outcome.

    I’ve been dismayed by how little Ukraine has featured in the leaders debate so far. It’s the key issue, both in terms of growth and cost of living. What did the candidates really think in Jan/Feb this year? Because that’s the key indicator in knowing how they might behave this winter.

    This reveals the perils of an open society. Under such a system, anyone can invest in the media and lobby politicians, even people with high level connections to hostile foreign governments. It is the responsibility of government and politicians to build in safeguards to protect national security. Johnson appears to have been casually indifferent to this, which is a big problem independent of his wider actions regarding Ukraine.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798
    Andy_JS said:

    Slip, slap, slop is the Australian advice for hot weather.

    Probably needs some more context. Slipping over at the bar, which results in slopping your beer over someone and then getting a slap in return is not going to be much help.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479

    This is really excellent advice on dealing with heat from an Aussie doctor. Could even be lifesaving. Pass around folks:


    Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts
    @EllieMRoberts

    I am a genuine Australian, here is some advice regarding dealing with the heat that's heading to England... if you have no aircon.

    https://twitter.com/EllieMRoberts/status/1548310703676669953

    I don't understand this one:

    "9. If you are dehydrated (and an adult, and able to do so) drink a half a pint of beer (inc. alcohol free!) and then move straight onto water (or a sports drink or cordial if you don't like water)."
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    No way now for Penny to win. That story about purposefully lying about her true intentions for a policy is dynamite.

    Looks like Sunak v Truss. The ERG would never forgive Sunak for winning that.

    It’s going to be Truss, isn’t it.

    Heaven help us.
    I think Sunak still has a good chance with the membership. Truss is just so terrible at public speaking and gives no presence at all.

    Not to mention the policies suck.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    I seem to have stumbled on a weather forecasting site crossed with a bit of Listen with Mother .
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798
    Andy_JS said:

    This is really excellent advice on dealing with heat from an Aussie doctor. Could even be lifesaving. Pass around folks:


    Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts
    @EllieMRoberts

    I am a genuine Australian, here is some advice regarding dealing with the heat that's heading to England... if you have no aircon.

    https://twitter.com/EllieMRoberts/status/1548310703676669953

    I don't understand this one:

    "9. If you are dehydrated (and an adult, and able to do so) drink a half a pint of beer (inc. alcohol free!) and then move straight onto water (or a sports drink or cordial if you don't like water)."
    Beer is isotonic. A lot of endurance athletes drink a lot of alcohol free beer.
  • XipeXipe Posts: 47
    Andy_JS said:

    This is really excellent advice on dealing with heat from an Aussie doctor. Could even be lifesaving. Pass around folks:


    Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts
    @EllieMRoberts

    I am a genuine Australian, here is some advice regarding dealing with the heat that's heading to England... if you have no aircon.

    https://twitter.com/EllieMRoberts/status/1548310703676669953

    I don't understand this one:

    "9. If you are dehydrated (and an adult, and able to do so) drink a half a pint of beer (inc. alcohol free!) and then move straight onto water (or a sports drink or cordial if you don't like water)."
    It just makes dying of heatstroke more agreeable
  • XipeXipe Posts: 47
    I doubt that 50% of us will make it through to Wednesday

    Bright side: Parking in Sheffield is going to be an absolute breeze for the next few years
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745

    Betfair next prime minister
    2.36 Rishi Sunak 42%
    3.4 Penny Mordaunt 29%
    4.7 Liz Truss 21%
    13.5 Kemi Badenoch 7%
    140 Tom Tugendhat
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    Next Conservative leader
    2.38 Rishi Sunak 42%
    3.3 Penny Mordaunt 30%
    4.5 Liz Truss 22%
    14 Kemi Badenoch 7%
    170 Tom Tugendhat

    To be in final two
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    Betfair prices at 4am

    Betfair next prime minister
    2.28 Rishi Sunak 44%
    3.8 Penny Mordaunt 26%
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    Next Conservative leader
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    3.75 Penny Mordaunt 27%
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    1.05 Rishi Sunak 95%
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    9am Monday, which will see MPs' hustings and the next vote.

    Betfair next prime minister
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  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Meanwhile, the Boris flying off from NATO to see the KGB story still isn't moving at any more than snails pace. Yes, he will soon be yesterday's man. But remains Prime Minister. And what a story.

    At best his actions have been significantly questionable. At worst...

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1548686479592939524

    Carole Codswallop?

    How about a more creditable and serious news source? Like Novara Media.
    You'd rather smear a source than engage in the substance?
    Yes, I'm not going to give Codswallop the time of day, just as plenty here would say the same about Guido.

    The substance is that Boris's Britain has been Ukraine's closest and fiercest European ally, and Putin's greatest European enemy. That is the substance.

    Codswallop, Guido and the rest of the muckrakers can try and shift their own agenda onto everything, but lets stick with the substance.
    Thats the substance now. The story describes events before now. And had it been PM Milliband - whos dad was a Commie Traitor remember - slipping his minders to fly straight from the NATO summit to meet with the KGB you would have been fine with it? Course you would...

    Apply the same rules to everyone or they are not rules. At the very least the smirking bully was rightly fired for doing the same with a friendly country. Russia is far from friendly.
    "Russia is far from friendly."

    Well, Labour had Corbyn as leader for four years...

    But your general point is well made. The problem is that this is what Johnson does: he likes power and money, and he gravitates towards it. In this case, Russian money. It is a stupid trait of his, especially when combined with his other trait of never taking responsibility for his actions.

    Yet there is the other side of the ledger: if the Russian government sought to buy influence from him, then they utterly failed. He is an enemy of Russia.

    We'll have to wait for more details, but my best guess is that this was individual Russian money buying influence, and not the state's money. Remember, many of these oligarchs are looking firmly over their shoulders towards Putin and his assassins.

    But it is still an utterly stupid thing for him to have done. But also utterly characteristic.
    But Russia *did* buy influence from him. Lord Lebedev of Siberia for Cliff's sake. The burying of the report into Russian meddling. That Bonzo then abandoned his patrons because that was the popular thing to do won't have surprised them - he is a whore for hire.

    I accept that there is no direct link between Johnson and Putin. But as MI6 bods have pointed out, there are no "ex KGB spies". Especially ones who were bezzies with Vlad.

    Even if the worst case scenario is that as Foreign Secretary and then as PM got drunk and lairy with so many ex KGB types who accidentally made so many donations to the party and quite coincidentally ended up in the Lords despite JIC directives not to do so, its still a major security breech that would have buried any other politician and crucified them and the Labour with them had it been Miliband or Corbyn. Yet "nothing to see here" is the purported spin line from BR.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,087
    Overnight, and a bit more reality to the prices (Next PM)

    Mordaunt 3.6/3.7
    Sunak 2.2/2.22
    Truss 4.8/4.9
    Badenoch 15.5/16
    Tugendhat 150/200
    Raab 220/360
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,913
    Xipe said:

    I doubt that 50% of us will make it through to Wednesday

    Bright side: Parking in Sheffield is going to be an absolute breeze for the next few years

    Will 50% of Seant creations make it I wonder?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,479
    Drinking hot tea is, surprisingly, a good idea in hot weather, according to this article.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11023101/How-survive-heatwave-MailOnline-speaks-experts-out.html#comments
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    OT (but then so is talking about the bloody weather) - Its a good job that I checked the FTSE movement today with the BBC before delving into my AJ Bell account to check on the portfolio as that shows my shares all down and about 10% down on average - Obviously a glitch but if I had done it first before checking the FTSE on the internet I would have been joining the waiting list for an ambulance today
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