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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    Obvious evidence of child sex crimes in Telford were ignored for generations leading to more than 1,000 girls being abused, an inquiry has found.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-61983584

    ”Agencies blamed children for the abuse they suffered, not the perpetrators, and exploitation was not investigated because of "nervousness about race".

    Sounds familiar?
    Even after an investigation leading to seven men being jailed for child sex crimes West Mercia Police and Telford & Wrekin Council scaled down their specialist teams "to virtual zero" in order to save money

    Nothing to see, quickly move on....
    Which party, if any, had political control of the council at that point, out of interest?
    1997-2006 Labour
    2006-2008 NOC
    2008-2011 Con
    2011-Present Labour

    20 of the past 25 years, Labour, 2 Con.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,042

    If Rishi Sunak gets the nomination, I’m worried about the backlash.
    Is Britain ready for a good looking prime minister?

    https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1546887330425888768

    Is Tim okay? Rishi good looking wut

    It's all relative isn't it?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    Scott_xP said:

    Bryant: "Its simple - he's disgraced, he doesn't enjoy the confidence of this House. If he simply tries to prevent the House coming to that decision, it's because he's a coward!"
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1546891812132077569

    Never mind @Scott_xP on the 5th September Johnson will be gone and a new PM and cabinet will dominate the media going forward
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    edited July 2022
    GB News are now interviewing a young lady from Telford who was absused and ignored for years, albeit not related to today’s case. :cry:
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,042
    Afraid of her. Why else would he plump for Truss?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    Chishti withdraws. Surely some mistake?!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    NOM 1.73
    Con Maj 3.75
    Lab Maj 4.5

    Lay Lab Maj
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Given that she has Gove standing next to her, I’d go with Kemi now.

    Oh, and what does Han Dodges know about the Kremlinology of the Tories?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Chishti withdraws. Surely some mistake?!

    Visited the Total Perspective Vortex.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,231
    Sandpit said:

    GB News are now interviewing a young lady from Telford who was absused and ignored for years, albeit not related to today’s case. :cry:

    Is is this girl?

    She's incredible. A profound victim of abuse, yet now an articulate, clever, impressive journalist and social advocate - unsurprisingly, on the Right, given her experiences. Works for the Spec, Telegraph, Mail


    "Last week, I went on GBNews to discuss child sex crimes in Telford

    The next day, officers banged on my door, demanding I speak to them about my interview

    They ignored victims for decades, but tried to intimidate me for exposing their failings on live TV"

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/1546596049640427532?s=20&t=97HPq3Xn_DZ9h_2NnTeaGg
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig

    So apparently it wasn't just us lot who went "who?", but his colleagues too...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited July 2022

    If Rishi Sunak gets the nomination, I’m worried about the backlash.
    Is Britain ready for a good looking prime minister?

    https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1546887330425888768

    Is Tim okay? Rishi good looking wut

    It's all relative isn't it?
    IIRC there was a ridiculous commentary piece not long after Rishi became Chancellor from some pundit making a ridiculous point about someone else making a comment about finding Starmer more attractive than Rishi, who was objectively more good looking.

    IDK, not my type but he seems at least interesting looking, I can see people thinking so.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GB News are now interviewing a young lady from Telford who was absused and ignored for years, albeit not related to today’s case. :cry:

    Is is this girl?

    She's incredible. A profound victim of abuse, yet now an articulate, clever, impressive journalist and social advocate - unsurprisingly, on the Right, given her experiences. Works for the Spec, Telegraph, Mail


    "Last week, I went on GBNews to discuss child sex crimes in Telford

    The next day, officers banged on my door, demanding I speak to them about my interview

    They ignored victims for decades, but tried to intimidate me for exposing their failings on live TV"

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/1546596049640427532?s=20&t=97HPq3Xn_DZ9h_2NnTeaGg
    Yes, that’s her.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig

    Today's Emperor Hirohito award for understatement goes to...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Several camps said to have got the 20 names today, but not saying so in public because the Brady Bunch ('22 exec) must sign-off the nomination forms as in order. I note Suella Braverman deleted her own confirmatory tweet re making the ballot. Think she, Kemi and Hunt all make it

    https://twitter.com/oflynnsocial/status/1546896071913267201
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    Leon said:

    Just watched a bit of Badenoch's press launch. She is VERY assured, and quite winning

    She would completely bewilder the Left, they would not know how to attack her. A confident young attractive black woman, and a Christian, of Nigerian ancestry, firmly on the right and anti-Woke

    It's almost worth electing her for the lolz of watching Labour flounder against her

    The first time I heard her speaking, on the radio, I thought she was the author Zadie Smith. She sounds almost the same.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    Scott_xP said:

    The Prime Minister has decided to block the following @UKLabour motion of no confidence from being debated:
    “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government while the Rt Hon Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip remains Prime Minister.” (1/4)

    It is a long-established principle of our democracy that a sitting Government makes time as early as possible for any motion of no confidence that is tabled in the name of the LOTO. (2/4)

    Motions of no confidence can take many forms. Here’s a Tory motion from 1965:
    “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government and deplores the Prime Minister's conduct of the nation's affairs.” (3/4)

    This Prime Minister is yet further eroding trust in our democracy and undermining this elected Parliament.
    This risks setting a dangerous precedent where any future Prime Minister can choose to ignore Parliament to protect themselves. (4/4)


    https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1546888774575042560

    Yawn.

    It is the conditional nature of the motion that means it does not meet the required threshold.

    Labour knows what it has to do to get this debate. But they seem unwilling to do so.

    Explain why that might be...
    You are not suggesting Labour (a political party no less) might be playing politics? Disgraceful. I am going to write to my MP!
    Because a proper VONC "This house has no confidence in the Government" results in a General Election now the FTPA has been annulled.

    Which means that every Tory MP needs to vote against the motion to avoid a general election in late August, early July.

    If the FTPA had been in place the result would be very different as it would have given the Tory party 2 weeks to find a replacement Government (i.e. you kick Bozo out of No 10 and appoint Rabb or the winner of the MPs elections)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    Applicant said:

    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig

    So apparently it wasn't just us lot who went "who?", but his colleagues too...
    LOL!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,136
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig

    Today's Emperor Hirohito award for understatement goes to...
    Tut. 'Emperor Shōwa', please.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,612
    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Obvious evidence of child sex crimes in Telford were ignored for generations leading to more than 1,000 girls being abused, an inquiry has found.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-61983584

    ”Agencies blamed children for the abuse they suffered, not the perpetrators, and exploitation was not investigated because of "nervousness about race".

    Sounds familiar?
    I have this funny feeling we will get one day of headlines and then never to be mentioned again by the likes of the BBC.
    If 1000+ girls were abused in Telford, and 1800+ in Rotherham (IIRC), and four figures in Oldham, then Sarah Champion's figure of "maybe a million" abused girls, victim of these gangs, across the UK - starts to hove into view. I thought it was insane when I first read it

    But now?

    I still don't buy a million. But over 100,000 seems totally plausible, indeed likely. It is the single greatest UK scandal of our lifetimes. Perhaps indeed in the history of the UK
    You know this is going nowhere.

    Too many people in authority have too much to lose plus it would leave many - particularly in certain parts of the media - as looking stupid at best when it came to the initial reporting of these scandals.

    Nothing is ever going to be done.
    The Home Sec has apparently quite arbitrary powers to put people on the various lists that mean you fail the background checks.

    Put the list on names on the right list and they will fail vetting for pretty much any job
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    GB News are now interviewing a young lady from Telford who was absused and ignored for years, albeit not related to today’s case. :cry:

    Is is this girl?

    She's incredible. A profound victim of abuse, yet now an articulate, clever, impressive journalist and social advocate - unsurprisingly, on the Right, given her experiences. Works for the Spec, Telegraph, Mail


    "Last week, I went on GBNews to discuss child sex crimes in Telford

    The next day, officers banged on my door, demanding I speak to them about my interview

    They ignored victims for decades, but tried to intimidate me for exposing their failings on live TV"

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/1546596049640427532?s=20&t=97HPq3Xn_DZ9h_2NnTeaGg
    I wonder where the prostituted girls Sean purchased are working now?

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    Sky saying Hunt, Sunak, Truss, Tugendhat, Mordaunt and Braverman have made it.

    They are saying no confirmations yet re Javid, Badenoch (despite earlier rumours), Zahawi
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Applicant said:

    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig

    So apparently it wasn't just us lot who went "who?", but his colleagues too...
    Vote Rehman was always a sticky wicket in the Tories….
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Several camps said to have got the 20 names today, but not saying so in public because the Brady Bunch ('22 exec) must sign-off the nomination forms as in order. I note Suella Braverman deleted her own confirmatory tweet re making the ballot. Think she, Kemi and Hunt all make it

    https://twitter.com/oflynnsocial/status/1546896071913267201

    Is the deadline 6pm? I've been looking through news reports but can't find anything more specific than "nominations will open and close today".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    I will not be taking my campaign any further for the leadership of our party @Conservatives as I have not been able to secure the necessary parliamentary backing. Full statement below👇

    https://twitter.com/Rehman_Chishti/status/1546894597435101186?s=20&t=LcxYMAj-gVUpOCa2PjJkig

    Today's Emperor Hirohito award for understatement goes to...
    Tut. 'Emperor Shōwa', please.
    I was going by western convention!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Applicant said:

    Several camps said to have got the 20 names today, but not saying so in public because the Brady Bunch ('22 exec) must sign-off the nomination forms as in order. I note Suella Braverman deleted her own confirmatory tweet re making the ballot. Think she, Kemi and Hunt all make it

    https://twitter.com/oflynnsocial/status/1546896071913267201

    Is the deadline 6pm? I've been looking through news reports but can't find anything more specific than "nominations will open and close today".
    Yes, 6pm.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    Don't know what Rehman Chishti was trying to achieve.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited July 2022
    Applicant said:

    Several camps said to have got the 20 names today, but not saying so in public because the Brady Bunch ('22 exec) must sign-off the nomination forms as in order. I note Suella Braverman deleted her own confirmatory tweet re making the ballot. Think she, Kemi and Hunt all make it

    https://twitter.com/oflynnsocial/status/1546896071913267201

    Is the deadline 6pm? I've been looking through news reports but can't find anything more specific than "nominations will open and close today".
    Yes, but it sounds like the ‘22 are getting twitchy over candidates announcing they’ve been nominated when it’s their job to do that.

    For example:

    BREAKING: Suella Braverman has quickly deleted a tweet claiming she had enough nominations in the Tory leadership race

    https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1546897373531717632
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,008

    Sky saying Hunt, Sunak, Truss, Tugendhat, Mordaunt and Braverman have made it.

    They are saying no confirmations yet re Javid, Badenoch (despite earlier rumours), Zahawi

    Eh? Thought Kemi had.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know what Rehman Chishti was trying to achieve.

    We're talking about him

    I think he has missed that standing in the contest to raise profile and get a better job requires you to have made some impact at least.
  • Sky saying Hunt, Sunak, Truss, Tugendhat, Mordaunt and Braverman have made it.

    They are saying no confirmations yet re Javid, Badenoch (despite earlier rumours), Zahawi

    Eh? Thought Kemi had.
    Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4
    Team Kemi definitely has the numbers - her nomination papers all signed sealed and delivered
    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1546897075517931523
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,008
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know what Rehman Chishti was trying to achieve.

    On a par with gatecrashing, exposing yourself in a nightclub, and then being immediately thrown out and permanently barred.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831


    They can retable it as a standard VONC and they will get the debate.

    Starmer is being very badly advised.

    They tried to be too clever and failed.

    Labour (and Starmer) are fcuking about. Table a standard VONC in the government and it will get debated and voted on.

    But they're trying to be clever and will achieve nothing.
    You'd think SOMEONE in Labour would understand Parliamentary rules. I mean, the bloody speaker is ex-Labour. Can't he tell them what to do?
    No, you're drinking the Boris Kool-Aid one more time. Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid, and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison). But all these conventions and precedents don't really work when the PM just says "shan't!", as the Conservatives found in previous months. It suits Johnson not to have it as it might force him to resign before September, as many Tories would preer, and I don't think he really cares whether it's awkward for Tory MPs seeking re-election.

    Will it make a big difference at an election? Nah, but worth doing.
    You may be a former MP but you are wrong on this.

    They submitted a conditional motion which is a valid motion for debate but does not meet the threshold for an automatic debate under the convention.

    The 1965 motion was not conditional and so did meet the test and so is not precedent in anyway.

    Corbyn tabled a motion in 2018 which was similarly not debated.

    The library of the House is very clear on all this.

    It was an attempt to be clever that failed

    Why are they simply not tabling another motion with the usual form of words?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just watched a bit of Badenoch's press launch. She is VERY assured, and quite winning

    She would completely bewilder the Left, they would not know how to attack her. A confident young attractive black woman, and a Christian, of Nigerian ancestry, firmly on the right and anti-Woke

    It's almost worth electing her for the lolz of watching Labour flounder against her

    The first time I heard her speaking, on the radio, I thought she was the author Zadie Smith. She sounds almost the same.
    Vocal dopplegangers can be quite disconcerting. Often people might not look even slightly similar but could sound nearly identical.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Prime Minister has decided to block the following @UKLabour motion of no confidence from being debated:
    “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government while the Rt Hon Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip remains Prime Minister.” (1/4)

    It is a long-established principle of our democracy that a sitting Government makes time as early as possible for any motion of no confidence that is tabled in the name of the LOTO. (2/4)

    Motions of no confidence can take many forms. Here’s a Tory motion from 1965:
    “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government and deplores the Prime Minister's conduct of the nation's affairs.” (3/4)

    This Prime Minister is yet further eroding trust in our democracy and undermining this elected Parliament.
    This risks setting a dangerous precedent where any future Prime Minister can choose to ignore Parliament to protect themselves. (4/4)


    https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1546888774575042560

    Yawn.

    It is the conditional nature of the motion that means it does not meet the required threshold.

    Labour knows what it has to do to get this debate. But they seem unwilling to do so.

    Explain why that might be...
    You are not suggesting Labour (a political party no less) might be playing politics? Disgraceful. I am going to write to my MP!
    Because a proper VONC "This house has no confidence in the Government" results in a General Election now the FTPA has been annulled.

    Which means that every Tory MP needs to vote against the motion to avoid a general election in late August, early July.

    If the FTPA had been in place the result would be very different as it would have given the Tory party 2 weeks to find a replacement Government (i.e. you kick [Boris] out of No 10 and appoint Rabb or the winner of the MPs elections)
    I'm afraid you've misunderstood.

    A general election only follows if no alternative PM who can command a majority in the Commons can be found.

    But we already know (and the wording of SKS's attempted motion implies) that by 5th September latest, such a PM can be found.

    Under FTPA, there would have been more of a problem because of the 14 day time limit that you note. But post DACOP, that limit has been removed not shortened.

    So if a proper VONC passes, Boris goes to the Queen and says "I've lost a VONC" and she says "stay on as caretaker until the Tory leadership election is complete". Being generous to SKS, this may have been what he was trying to avoid with his wording - forcing HMQ to appoint an interim PM for the duration of the Tory leadership election.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,008
    I am waiting a few more minutes and then squeezing out a few more quid on Zahawi and Javid I think.

    Fingers crossed someone doesn't timewaste (my money waste) and get them over the line.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    Obvious evidence of child sex crimes in Telford were ignored for generations leading to more than 1,000 girls being abused, an inquiry has found.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-61983584

    ”Agencies blamed children for the abuse they suffered, not the perpetrators, and exploitation was not investigated because of "nervousness about race".

    Sounds familiar?
    Even after an investigation leading to seven men being jailed for child sex crimes West Mercia Police and Telford & Wrekin Council scaled down their specialist teams "to virtual zero" in order to save money

    Nothing to see, quickly move on....
    Which party, if any, had political control of the council at that point, out of interest?
    1997-2006 Labour
    2006-2008 NOC
    2008-2011 Con
    2011-Present Labour

    20 of the past 25 years, Labour, 2 Con.

    And what year was the main trial and over what years was the operation scaled down to virtual zero'?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379


    They can retable it as a standard VONC and they will get the debate.

    Starmer is being very badly advised.

    They tried to be too clever and failed.

    Labour (and Starmer) are fcuking about. Table a standard VONC in the government and it will get debated and voted on.

    But they're trying to be clever and will achieve nothing.
    You'd think SOMEONE in Labour would understand Parliamentary rules. I mean, the bloody speaker is ex-Labour. Can't he tell them what to do?
    No, you're drinking the Boris Kool-Aid one more time. Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid, and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison).
    No, it wasn't a similar motion. That one was "no confidence and" and this one was "no confidence but".
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    She should take that up with the Forejgn Secretary:

    Exclusive: Liz Truss last night told the ERG leadership hustings that if made PM she will recognise a genocide is happening in China, The Sun understands. Tom Tugendhat has pledged to do the same. Meanwhile other contenders heating up anti-CCP rhetoric

    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1546897255260643329
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,231
    To tie two threads together

    I suspect that, as a nation, we are incapable of addressing a crime as big as the Asian Grooming Scandal. It is just too huge and too desolating: 100,000 girls (or many more) groomed, raped, abused, tortured and even murdered, largely (but not wholly) by Muslim men of Pakistani ancestry. Rape houses. Organised rape over generations: with men raping girls, getting them pregnant, then raping their daughters. Special shops and houses for torture. Girls driven across counties for more mass rape my dozens of men every night.

    And all hushed up because of "nervousness about race", which meant it went on and on and on

    Who wants to even try and deal with that?

    Perhaps only a minority ethnic PM of unusual bravery and morality. Kemi Badenoch
  • pingping Posts: 3,724
    James Webb

    $10bn very well spent. Congratulations to all the scientists who made it work. Every single one of them need to not fuck up, to get it to this point. Incredible!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Still feels like Truss vs Sunak to me.
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 488
    edited July 2022

    Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid,

    Says who? "Labour sources".

    and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison).

    We can read, Nick: it's the only one in eight hundred years of Parliamentary history that Labour have found to support their case, and the wording is still completely different. If Labour think it's "a similar motion", let them bring forward the 1965 wording and see who's ignoring conventions and precedents.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    LOL Beth Rigby suggesting Priti is upset at Suella for announcing early and undercutting her on the Brexit wing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,008
    kle4 said:

    Still feels like Truss vs Sunak to me.

    Depends how marmite she is because that's predicated on her hoovering up all the 2nds and not, say, Mordaunt or Badenoch.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    LOL Beth Rigby suggesting Priti is upset at Suella for announcing early and undercutting her on the Brexit wing.

    I knew we'd get a Gove and Boris of this contest.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,005

    2019 Conservatives in the Red Wall support ...

    Braverman 44%
    Javid 36%
    Tugendhat 31%
    Shapps 29%
    Sunak 24%
    Badenoch 22%
    Mordaunt 15%
    Truss 15%
    Zahawi 13%
    Hunt 11%

    Redfield & Wilton, July 11

    That feels incomprehensible. Perhaps in part due to the fact that many of them lack name recognition.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,008

    LOL Beth Rigby suggesting Priti is upset at Suella for announcing early and undercutting her on the Brexit wing.

    Hopefully, they took each other out.
  • Flaglicant has a nice ring to it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Applicant said:


    They can retable it as a standard VONC and they will get the debate.

    Starmer is being very badly advised.

    They tried to be too clever and failed.

    Labour (and Starmer) are fcuking about. Table a standard VONC in the government and it will get debated and voted on.

    But they're trying to be clever and will achieve nothing.
    You'd think SOMEONE in Labour would understand Parliamentary rules. I mean, the bloody speaker is ex-Labour. Can't he tell them what to do?
    No, you're drinking the Boris Kool-Aid one more time. Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid, and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison).
    No, it wasn't a similar motion. That one was "no confidence and" and this one was "no confidence but".
    Feels like when someone was explaining the difference between things being 'by right' and 'as of right' to me. Small differences can make a big difference.

    Any row over language is easily resolved by changing language though.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Flaglicant has a nice ring to it

    This is your idea of ignoring me, is it?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,911
    kle4 said:

    Still feels like Truss vs Sunak to me.

    Yeah.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    edited July 2022
    Javid withdraws. No endorsement yet.
  • pingping Posts: 3,724
    For future reference;

    5.52pm just before the deadline;

    Betfair

    Sunak 3.05
    Mordaunt 3.2
    Truss 4.7
    Badenoch 15.5
    Tugendhat 16.5
    Bar 90

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    Sajid Javid withdraws
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    kle4 said:

    Applicant said:


    They can retable it as a standard VONC and they will get the debate.

    Starmer is being very badly advised.

    They tried to be too clever and failed.

    Labour (and Starmer) are fcuking about. Table a standard VONC in the government and it will get debated and voted on.

    But they're trying to be clever and will achieve nothing.
    You'd think SOMEONE in Labour would understand Parliamentary rules. I mean, the bloody speaker is ex-Labour. Can't he tell them what to do?
    No, you're drinking the Boris Kool-Aid one more time. Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid, and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison).
    No, it wasn't a similar motion. That one was "no confidence and" and this one was "no confidence but".
    Feels like when someone was explaining the difference between things being 'by right' and 'as of right' to me. Small differences can make a big difference.

    Any row over language is easily resolved by changing language though.
    It's pretty clear that on the face of it SKS's attempted motion was of "temporary no confidence", and such a concept doesn't exist, and they must know that. So the logical conclusion is they were doing it for the retweets.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,722
    SJ out
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited July 2022
    I have been on dates that have lasted longer than some of the candidates have lasted in the leadership race....
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Sajid Javid withdraws

    That's quite surprising, and we're down to 8. So with daily ballots tomorrow and Thursday, and four Commons sitting days next week, they shouldn't need any multi-ballot days to get to the final two before recess.
  • Ex equalities minister says Government must focus on tackling inflation rather than devising ‘micro-policies’ to fix cost-of-living crisis
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    If Patel doesn’t like Braverman she can get her own back by supporting Badenoch.

    Javid can express his disillusionment with Rishi by backing Mordaunt.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,231

    kle4 said:

    Still feels like Truss vs Sunak to me.

    Yeah.
    Depressing if so

    Mordaunt is a stronger candidate than Sunak and Badenoch is better than Truss
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 651
    Javid OUT
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    2019 Conservatives in the Red Wall support ...

    Braverman 44%
    Javid 36%
    Tugendhat 31%
    Shapps 29%
    Sunak 24%
    Badenoch 22%
    Mordaunt 15%
    Truss 15%
    Zahawi 13%
    Hunt 11%

    Redfield & Wilton, July 11

    I read this as meaning Conservative members in red wall seats not voters who voted Conservative?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    Sky have confirmed tomorrow they all need 30 backers minimum
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,722
    20 was too easy

    30 will be a bit harder
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 660
    Please do not misuse the spam/off topic button.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812

    Ex equalities minister says Government must focus on tackling inflation rather than devising ‘micro-policies’ to fix cost-of-living crisis

    I watched her launch and she also hinted at means testing winter fuel payments.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 651
    Agatha ... And then there were eight ..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,231

    I have been on dates that have lasted longer than some of the candidates have lasted in the leadership race....

    I think the briefest candidacy was about four days, so you have been on dates lasting five or more days?

    Remind me to swipe left if I see you on Geekr, the dating website for politics nerds
  • Leon said:

    I have been on dates that have lasted longer than some of the candidates have lasted in the leadership race....

    I think the briefest candidacy was about four days, so you have been on dates lasting five or more days?

    Remind me to swipe left if I see you on Geekr, the dating website for politics nerds
    Presumably we’d see you on Wanker
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    Amazing to think a week ago Boris didn't look under much immediate threat.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    Ex equalities minister says Government must focus on tackling inflation rather than devising ‘micro-policies’ to fix cost-of-living crisis

    I watched her launch and she also hinted at means testing winter fuel payments.
    Good. It’s supposed to be for those who can’t heat their homes, not those who want to book a holiday to get away from winter - like my parents.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,227

    Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid,

    Says who? "Labour sources".

    and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison).

    We can read, Nick: it's the only one in eight hundred years of Parliamentary history that Labour have found to support their case, and the wording is still completely different. If Labour think it's "a similar motion", let them bring forward the 1965 wording and see who's ignoring conventions and precedents.
    Your sources?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    As we thought, Javid out of the race.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,572

    Look, I think Labour are perfectly entitled to call a confidence debate. I think if that’s what they want to do, that’s fine. I think it’s Westminster tittle-tattle but if the Labour Party thinks it can derive political advantage by forcing the Tories to vote confidence in the government then that is their prerogative. Personally I don’t think people will give two hoots on who voted what in a symbolic vote in July 2022 by the time the next election rolls round, but thats up to them.

    I think the government are within their rights to reject the wording as conditional on the presence of the Prime Minister as leader of the government as opposed to ‘deploring’ the PM or similar (like the example given). But the option of a vote has been offered. So instead of everyone pratting about why not take that option and hold the vote? I don’t see what Labour have to gain from taking their bat home here - if the tactic was to get Tory MPs to vote for the government then force that result. If the tactic is now to complain that you’re not getting a vote even though one has been offered on different wording, I think that’s even more Westminster Bubble.

    I support the Labour Party holding what has been a particularly shoddy government to account but this isn’t the way of going about it IMHO.

    Holding that vote actually matters quite a lot at a point where we are in uncharted constitutional territory. It would be more than a symbolic vote.

    We will on current plans have had to endure 2 full months of a zombie Government under a PM who has the confidence of very few MPs in his own party and no other MP. In those circumstances, there must be some mechanism to force the PM out. This motion would have provided it - I don't think it would have forced a general election given its conditional nature, but it would have effectively forced out the PM immediately (or forced the Conservatives to dump him in short order to avoid the condition for a GE being met) in favour of a temporary successor such as Raab.

    Allowing the PM to block a parliamentary motion that would have required the immediate departure of the PM is a bad constitutional outcome.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001

    2019 Conservatives in the Red Wall support ...

    Braverman 44%
    Javid 36%
    Tugendhat 31%
    Shapps 29%
    Sunak 24%
    Badenoch 22%
    Mordaunt 15%
    Truss 15%
    Zahawi 13%
    Hunt 11%

    Redfield & Wilton, July 11

    I read this as meaning Conservative members in red wall seats not voters who voted Conservative?
    I am sure that is correct as I cannot believe red wall conservative voters would have that recognition
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    edited July 2022
    Sandpit said:

    Ex equalities minister says Government must focus on tackling inflation rather than devising ‘micro-policies’ to fix cost-of-living crisis

    I watched her launch and she also hinted at means testing winter fuel payments.
    Good. It’s supposed to be for those who can’t heat their homes, not those who want to book a holiday to get away from winter - like my parents.
    The worry with that is that means testing means administrative costs, which (as Sir Humphrey would tell you) can always be made to outweigh the savings.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,827
    Detective Inspector Chris 'underpants' Bryant of the Yard is on to Kemi's hacking
    Hes obviously only just found out about it such is his breathless questioning whether it constitutes a crime on twitter
    Tit
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,722

    Sky have confirmed tomorrow they all need 30 backers minimum

    We knew that didnt we
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    Ex equalities minister says Government must focus on tackling inflation rather than devising ‘micro-policies’ to fix cost-of-living crisis

    Tackling inflation requires increasing Interest Rates - which is outside the Governments remit now the BoE is independent but incompetent.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,005
    He may have 45 nominations but Rishi is a long way off being certain in the final 2.

    In the first round of voting in 2001 Michael Portillo was only a few short of a third of the party. He didn't make the final 2.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Eight then?

    Sunak
    Truss
    Mourdaunt
    Tugendhat
    Badenoch
    Zahawi
    Hunt
    Javid
    Braverman
  • eek said:

    Ex equalities minister says Government must focus on tackling inflation rather than devising ‘micro-policies’ to fix cost-of-living crisis

    Tackling inflation requires increasing Interest Rates - which is outside the Governments remit now the BoE is independent but incompetent.
    Kemi has showed her lack of experience. Lightweight just like Nandy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,273

    Labour checked with the clerks, who have the final say on wording, and it's valid,

    Says who? "Labour sources".

    and there is a precedent for a similar motion being given priority (from when the Tories used a similar motion against Wlison).

    We can read, Nick: it's the only one in eight hundred years of Parliamentary history that Labour have found to support their case, and the wording is still completely different. If Labour think it's "a similar motion", let them bring forward the 1965 wording and see who's ignoring conventions and precedents.
    "... it's the only one in eight hundred years of Parliamentary history ..."

    That of course is utter bollocks, as a quick visit to wiki would confirm:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_votes_of_no_confidence_in_British_governments
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,335

    Please do not misuse the spam/off topic button.

    Hear, Hear. Are you listening Applicant?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Please do not misuse the spam/off topic button.

    Finger hovers...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,231

    Leon said:

    I have been on dates that have lasted longer than some of the candidates have lasted in the leadership race....

    I think the briefest candidacy was about four days, so you have been on dates lasting five or more days?

    Remind me to swipe left if I see you on Geekr, the dating website for politics nerds
    Presumably we’d see you on Wanker
    Well, I am quite well known in certain circles for my impressive wanking, so yes

    Tho if you are trying to tell your first ever joke you should have said "Wankr"
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    Eight.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    Surely Zahawi hasn’t made it?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    Zahawi makes it. 8 in total.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    All 8 remaining get through
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,722
    edited July 2022
    Round 1 - 8 of 9 qualify
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