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In the VI polling, there’s been a marked shift to LAB – politicalbetting.com
In the VI polling, there’s been a marked shift to LAB – politicalbetting.com
As can be seen from the Wikipedia table there has been a marked move to LAB with the four most recent surveys having the party with double-digit leads. This has been partly driven by a Tory decline and partly by LAB edging up.
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@Foxy re. racism you wrote: ' The death of overt racism in British politics and in the Conservative party in particular is a major piece of social progress over my adult lifetime. Certainly racism still exists in British life, but it is either much more marginal or unconscious.
Ditto homophobia, which has also become anathema to respectable parties.'
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It's sadly certainly NOT marginal or unconscious at all.
As the public at Edgbaston discovered last week and as everyone who goes to a football match is well aware. It's thoroughly alive and kicking.
Better than 30 yrs ago? Definitely. But let's not pat ourselves on the back with false news.
I wish it were not so Foxy.
And as for transphobia ... that's the new homophobia with many of the same tired old 'it's not natural' tropes, even on here sadly.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbaed528-fed2-11ec-88db-ae1b6b9bdd3e?shareToken=0dab3042f023686467e6e11c32f8cf48 https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1545674698729689088/photo/1
The worry is more what stories people are going to pass to the Sundays about the candidates.
Oh, and some policy discussion would be welcome. The next year or two will be brutal economically, what do the candidates have by way of a plan to deal with the world in 2023 and beyond.
I may have made reference previously, to one particular tax, the promise of a suspension of which on the first day in office might go some way to endearing a particular candidate to the membership.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-62100209
A councillor who says he was groped by former deputy chief whip Chris Pincher, says he was told by a colleague to hold off talking about it after instruction from Conservative headquarters.
Daniel Cook said Mr Pincher, MP for Tamworth in Staffordshire, groped him in 2005 and 2006 which the BBC understands he denies.
But Mr Cook said the instruction led him to speak out about what happened.
The BBC has contacted national and local Conservative parties.…
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1545423636076675073?cxt=HHwWgoC-_fymufIqAAAA
https://twitter.com/SteveReedMP/status/1545458323763363840
The Conservatives said the Pincher scandal was why Johnson had to go. One day later, they promote Sarah Dines MP who gaslighted Pincher’s abuse victim because he’s gay. The problem isn’t the man at the top, it’s the entire Conservative Party
The penalties of a classical education.
Foxy said 'racism still exists in British life', I hardly think he was patting ourselves on the back with false news. He also said 'overt racism in British politics' which is an important qualifier, since it was a specific point about the progress made both in the diversity of our MPs, and that any racism towards them that does emerge does not have mainstream political party support, even in a sotto voce way.
So maybe jump off the outrage bus for a second, that was just tiresome. People diagree about the extent of the problems that remain but very few say there are still no problems at all, and it'd be the height of preposterous doomsaying to simply ignore that society, and politics, has made tremendous progess (which is the thrust of your post, in basically saying while it is better it is not really any better) - idiots at sporting events and the continued existence of discrimination does not change that.
Your post only makes sense if you think no one thinks any problems remain, and Foxy's post certainly didn't say that.
If they lose this, and they should, there will be nation wide inquests with the World Cup coming all too soon.
Hope they lose by 50
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545661724598177794
With several dozen, rather than a handful of these US MLRS systems, and sufficient supply of rockets, they would devastate the Russian offensive.
But I’ve never seen them fall apart like this
However they’ve not shipped points with multiple players off…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-62104699
So maybe jump off the outrage bus for a second, that was just tiresome. People diagree about the extent of the problems that remain but very few say there are still no problems at all, and it'd be the height of preposterous doomsaying to simply ignore that society, and politics, has made tremendous progess (which is the thrust of your post, in basically saying while it is better it is not really any better) - idiots at sporting events and the continued existence of discrimination does not change that.
Your post only makes sense if you think no one thinks any problems remain, and Foxy's post certainly didn't say that.
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Whoa you have gone way OTT there my friend. Steady on. I was debating and suggesting that Foxy has really over-played it.
In particular this comment: 'racism is either much more marginal or unconscious'.
Quite simply untrue, I'm afraid.
In fact, I'd say that since c. 2015 racism AND homophobia have been on the rise. Brexit has of course stirred that ugly cauldron.
I'm afraid it's alive and kicking and I was responding to the suggestion of the contrary.
And who is 'they'? Tory MPs don't get to appoint government figures.
I get that the point is that people should be wary of just assuming the Tories will start behaving better merely because they have knifed Johnson, and that's a reasonable point to make, but an urgent ministerial appointment by a sinking administration which had very few left it could appoint is not really anything at all.
We shall see if she retains her position soon.
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Whoa you have gone way OTT there my friend. Steady on. I was debating and suggesting that Foxy has really over-played it.
In particular this comment: 'racism is either much more marginal or unconscious'.
Quite simply untrue, I'm afraid.
In fact, I'd say that since c. 2015 racism AND homophobia have been on the rise. Brexit has of course stirred that ugly cauldron.
I'm afraid it's alive and kicking and I was responding to the suggestion of the contrary.
You think homophobia is on the rise? Where is the evidence for that? We are vastly more open as a society now than ever before.
In particular it was this comment by Foxy: 'racism is either much more marginal or unconscious'.
Quite simply untrue, I'm afraid.
In fact, I'd say that since c. 2015 racism AND homophobia have been on the rise. Brexit has of course stirred that ugly cauldron.
I'm afraid it's alive and kicking and I was responding to the suggestion of the contrary. No need to overreact. It was supposed to be a debate.
Yes, the MLRS and HIMARS have been revolutionary, as the enemy is slowly realising it needs to dramatically lengthen supply lines, meaning that dramatically fewer supplies can be delivered to the front lines per day.
Is the money there to take on all these liabilities and bring them up to spec? It’s a bigger problem than most realise.
The overwhelming, independent, evidence is the polar opposite.
I think Boris reached parts that no other tory will ever again reach (Penny M may come closest of the current bunch). He reached into the red wall. A lot of that was Dominic Cummings' engineering. Some of it was utterly shameless stirring of racist sentiments, nationalism and anti-woke bashing of the kind which is simply vile. Agree or not (Leon won't) with my last bit, the fact remains that, like Leon, I agree that he did reach into those red wall voting areas and got them supporting him. The last tory to achieve such a move was Margaret Thatcher with her Mondeo man and council house right to buy and, from the other side of the divide, Tony Blair with his reach into Middle Britain and Cool Britannia.
Many of these voters will now be lost to the tories and a lot of them are really angry at what has happened: go look at the comments on the Mail and Express websites.
So I think the Six
I am FAR from convinced that after a honeymoon any other tory candidate will poll well.
I think the tories got themselves into a terrible bind: they appealed to a constituency that was not naturally theirs whilst screwing with their own.
By deposing Boris they are going to lose both. Labour double-digit poll leads for the next two years.
The first yellow was a red, to my mind
The money is long gone.
The return of the asset to the public sector means that any maintainance can be charged at actual rates, rather than £250 a light bulb or toilet seat.
Why do you do it? Why do you think it's even remotely acceptable in a civilised society to post something like that? You think it's funny. It isn't.
A couple of months of this is not going to sink the country, but it is neither necessary nor decent. And the choice to leave Boris is post is very much a choice, not a necessity.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/new-education-minister-criticised-over-gesture_uk_62c8aa93e4b0aa392d3ed5e1
You can take issue with “cocks” but it’s just vulgar slang
Ukraine are doing badly in the east where strategy seems to being driven by politics rather than battlefield conditions and well in the west despite having few troops and limited artillery
Independent studies show racism and hate crime is on the increase. So the opposite of your contention.
Anyone, ANYONE, who goes to a football game nowadays knows this is the case. It's a serious problem at the moment.
Cricket is I'm afraid facing a huge problem with it. As everyone knows.
He could not build on his early promise, and he has left the country weaker. Is the standing of Britain stronger abroad than when he became prime minister? No. Is the unity of the United Kingdom more secure? No. Is the economy stronger? No. Did he establish strong relationships with the leaders of the United States, the EU, China and India? No. Did he make significant progress on levelling up and on a greener economy, his flagship policies? No. These are the criteria on which prime ministers are judged.
What an idiosyncratic leader like Johnson needed above all was a strong and capable team under him to maximise his strengths, not least in communications, enthusiasm and the big picture. But he never trusted anyone sufficiently to allow them to do the job. Nor did he trust his cabinet ministers enough…
He broke almost every rule about how to be effective: appoint the best people and stick with them; identify your core domestic agenda and hold relentlessly to it; don’t be distracted by the ephemeral or chase tomorrow’s headlines; and ensure that your personal conduct is beyond reproach.
Britain could withstand one Johnson: another in his ilk would risk serious damage. Those charged with choosing a successor would do well to think very seriously about this.
The "cotton ceiling" seems to be a myth spread by idiots on both sides online. Where is any such hatred happening in this country, in the real world?
It isn't hatred to oppose those who talk about "the cotton ceiling", but I struggle to find anyone in the real world who actually does. Could you name anyone in this country who actually hates people based on that?
It's vile. You think it's funny, in the same way jokes about 'homos' or 'bum boys' was fine 30 yrs ago. It isn't fine. It's vile.
Ciao. Not sure I shall bother coming back if this is going to be a repository for ageing white men to bash what they see as 'woke' culture, which basically just means a world which is moving on without them. I understand it's hard to see change but you don't have to be vile and hate-filled about it. Learn to accept others of whatever race, culture, orientation, gender expression, or any other peaceful way of living their lives.
The cost of the war to the world is absolutely immense. Not taking relatively simple steps to end it sooner is foolish.
I get the impression one of the biggest impediments is the reluctance of western armed forces to part with their toys. It’s not as though there’s any prospect of anyone not geographically close to Russia actually requiring them in the next few years.
Yet you shouldn’t. Much of life now takes place online. It is life. See us on here!
And online you can see real and vicious bullying of women who object to the extreme trans agenda. Women lose jobs and careers over this. It’s very “real”
Plus well done Rishi's parents. From NHS doctor and pharmacist to paying school fees at Winchester. No small achievement.
Truss or Mordaunt for me; I want a pause from men in suits and they both seem interesting and competent enough without the batshit crazy bit
Will Heathener return?
Or does she still not really mean it?
I reckon Johnson’s alleged move to thwart him will be as much fear at having his reputation trashed by someone with inside knowledge, as simply revenge.
What's changed is that acceptance of racism has fallen away, the willingness of people to defend it has vanished, and the willingness of people to call it out has increased. So we talk about it more, even though its less common and normalised. That's a good thing. 👍
Check independent polls on topics like immigration etc too, its completely collapsed post-2015:
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/
Subsequent to that I think there is a limit to how quickly Ukraine can absorb new equipment in terms of training and logistics.
In retrospect it seems remarkable that the West provided very little equipment prior to the 24th February invasion.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/08/how-britain-sold-defence-industry-highest-us-bidder/ (£££)
Jeremy Corbyn, I'll be bound.
https://twitter.com/courtneymilan/status/1545597073092857856
Thread re: Elon.
I actually hadn’t read the contract, and now I’m like ???? This doofus agreed to SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE to pay $44 billion????
Probably going to cost him $10bn plus to walk away.
So yes, real people please. Perhaps you could name some real lesbians in this country and name some real people who've shown hatred towards them because of their refusal to sleep with "ladies with cocks".
OK…
Braverman or Nadine it is then.
In other news the first tranche of Ukrainian troops are coming to be trained in the UK. It all sounds good but the reality is that 10,000 troops is barely a fraction of what they actually need. I'm sure the mass mobilisation continues apace but it might unfortunately give the impression to Brits that the Ukrainian resistance is all rather small scale.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62102451
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385
The trans activists and feminist activists have been getting each other fired from jobs with alarming regularity, in the past few years.
That's funny, I thought she was married to a man.
Which ladies with cocks have abused a married straight woman for being a lesbian that won't sleep with them?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/08/tax-cuts-must-wait-says-rishi-sunak-serious-tory-leadership/
If we had stayed in the issue would never have gone away, it would be a huge and whale size issue whose parallel can be dimly seen in the failure of the SNP to go away after 2014.
Parliament of course should have united around 'Norway for Now' but that would have required courage and compromise. And of course would also have been sub-optimal.
But not about lesbians refusing to have sex with ladies with cocks, which was the original claim. Has any lesbian been fired for refusing to have sex with a "lady with a cock" - I doubt it!
You can't just segue from a claim that lesbians are hated for not having sex with ladies with cocks, to just merging the whole online mess of all trans/feminist issues together and call it the same thing.
The "cotton ceiling" is a real thing and a QC in the recent Bailey / Garden Court Chambers case said it was ok to seek to "persuade" lesbians to sleep with people they are not attracted to, a statement which - as she must have known - is tantamount to encouraging a criminal offence. She also described lesbians who did not want to be so "persuaded" as similar to South African white supremacists. Whistleblowers who have won their case against the Tavistock clinic have said that there is a real concern about "transing away" young gay people, particularly lesbians. See also the recent Cass Interim Report.
Doubtless you will make the usual accusation of transphobia but it isn't. There is a real concern about a peculiar type of prejudice being expressed against lesbians who set boundaries, as all women do and are entitled to do. Quite why "No means No" is no longer acceptable is curious and, frankly, pretty disgraceful.
I think that homophobia has reduced significantly in my lifetime. And as the mother of a gay son, I am pleased about that. But it has not vanished. And as the Pincher affair shows, there is a tendency to downplay sexual assault by men on men. It should not be.
It IS my assertion that TRA bullying of women is a real thing. Rowling is an example. Multiple female Guardian journos. Julie Bindel. Kathleen Stock the academic. And many more