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The polling that should scare Tory MPs – politicalbetting.com
The polling that should scare Tory MPs – politicalbetting.com
The Boris boo-ing tells you nothing that looking at data doesn't. There is no social group that trusts him any more. Here's YouGov's trust tracker for *Conservative* voters. pic.twitter.com/g7Xnby24Cf
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I think this polling is perhaps the most convincing I have seen.
There's nowhere left to run, even for a self-delusionist.
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannic Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
Boris was a winner in 2019, in the Red Wall, and until they are forced by electoral circumstances to see that he may not be quite the asset there he used to be, it's understandable that MPs don't take on board the point in the header that No 10s threats are not as potent as they may think.
We've seen it on here - 'Who but Boris could win in the Red Wall?', and since no one else has had the chance, it is argued no one else could. But even if that was true, would they go backwards as much as Boris might, on these figures?
Leadership sometimes means taking a chance - they should follow Boris's example there, he did not sit back and not challenge a leader he felt was a problem.
Out of interest, does Brady announce how many letters he has received or just say "enough have been received to trigger a VONC"?
If he were to say he has received 87 letter, that would be in the "not much point in even contesting it" range....
That shows tremendous forgiveness and generosity on his part. Yet the h8ers and boo-boys don't give him credit for it. Honestly, this country.
See you tonight when the 'Graham Brady is expected to' headlines hit
HUZZAH!!!
These images are worldwide news today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHhFfsWkaMw
Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
In addition to the execreble Rees-Mogg calling for her to resign despite winning the vote, apparently Raab did as well, so yet another person who will reverse position if there is a vote which Boris wins.
Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.
This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.
https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1531940993871798272?s=21&t=E5aBEkTZ9xhVwdRIuVTyTA
But when it is the case, the monarchy reveals Britain at its best, an ancient nation with incredible traditions, yet completely modern, able to laugh at itself, highly multiracial and multicultural - yet at ease with that, perhaps BECAUSE there is this core of Christianity embodied by the Crown
Put it another way, I cannot see anything to replace it which would be clearly superior, and I can see many things that would be far far worse
Imagine what Britain would look like as a republic? Dour, graceless, lacking vivacity, is my guess. So we’d end up trying to fake a monarchy anyways, like the French
If Labour and the Lib Dems got to choose one by-election each right now, and for what reasons, these two would be high up the list.
One of the bits of the Red Wall where they have been showing much progress (they aren't in a load of it. But West Yorkshire, yes).
And. One in the rural SW. Where the Tories have had a lock since 2015. But didn't always. Far from it.
Add in the reasons for the triggers and it's a potent mix.
The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
I'd expect a similar, but less pronounced prediction.
Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out
Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
Except for that lady that butchered what a wonderful world.
He (my friend) has historically got into arguments with them about Brexit, Tories, Boris etc.
He phoned them this week and apparently BORIS IS A LIAR.
I think Brady used similar terminology in 2018.
Worth noting that submitting a letter only means asking for a vote - in theory you could be doing so to confirm your support for the PM. That seems unlikely, but isn't impossible. Remember that surviving a VONC means Johnson cannot face another for a year so there's an argument (not a great one, but not totally stupid) that it's better to have one next week than following the by-elections and standards report - i.e. that it'll get worse for Johnson before it gets better so do it now.
Once I realised that, I enjoyed it
The worst musical bits were Duran Duran - cheesy and crap songs - and Mica Paris mauling Ain’t No Mountain. The rap about sport was wearying
Queen were brilliant, likewise Elton, the Eurovision dude, Ezra, Alicia Keys, Andrea Bocelli, Diana Ross did a great Chain Reaction, and Rod Stewart got away with having no voice left by leading a classic singalong of Sweet Caroline
But really the star of the show was the man or woman who put it all together. Genius. And the lights on the palace! and the drones!
It was amusing to see Nicola in the Royal Box beaming and taking selfies of herself
She was awful. I hate to mute it half-way through until she was finished.
Duran Duran weren't brilliant but they got better.
Diana Ross was superb.
After the sublime Queen and Paddington sketch it all went downhill fast. My son tells me Rock 'n Roll is dead. Well last night was all the proof I needed.
After London Bridge falls, the monarchy is so anachronistic, it withers and dies quickly. I'd prefer President Johnson to King Charles/ George.
Anyway, I'm in Sicily,, anyone want to see a photo of my lunch, or the view from my hotel window? No... I thought not.
So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-
"He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
Of course, if the Tories pull off the double (don't be dirty, Neil) the world suddenly looks very different, but it is hard to see how that happens at this stage.
At one stage when Prince Chas was speaking he said “and of course the light”, and he span his finger, and all of Buck House burst into Goebbels-esque pillars of dazzling light aimed at the sky. Bang on the right moment. Wow
Me too! I love Sicily
A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.
It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
The Jubilee isn’t bad for republicans, on the contrary one of the subtle genius aspects of all this is that enabled a whole spectrum of people to have their say. Republicans have fun, taking the mic out of the sillier bits. Monarchists lap it up. Everyone is a winner.
They can do some platitudes about his legacy of delivering Brexit and the vaccince programme (and they are personally proud to have been a driving force in the Government that did that). But he had flaws and lost the confidence of the public and MPs, so a line has been drawn and we move on towards the sunlit uplands with my exciting agenda of a fizzier Britain with jollier policemen and cleaner nurses (or whatever their "thing" is).
Ex-PMs do crop up now and then - Blair saying something a bit interesting or controversial can still be news today, for example. But the news agenda moves on pretty quickly.
It just makes Boris look so mendacious, mean-spirited, and divisive.
What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?
To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide
Pointless
Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.
Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.
Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.
I'd say Sunil wins with his North Korea comparison, but he's clearly having fun with it.
The projection mapping technique has been around for a few years now, but each iteration of it gets better and better. They probably had the whole stage set up at Pinewood weeks ago, with a projection mapped Palace on a big green screen or white wall. They probably even sneaked Charles in for an hour or two, to practice the cadence of his speech and let the lighting team set up their cues and scenes.
The most difficult bit, as alluded to above, is to get the sound and lights in sync, as with the Sigala track. The track was a backing track with only the vocals live, so they can play out both sound and light from the same system, and work out the delay between the two systems in advance, needing to get the sound feed in sync with the cameras recording the projector output.
This all scales exponentially when you try and do it for a live audience, who also need to see lights and hear sounds at the same time, over a distance of couple of hundred yards!
The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
I’m going to guess… Austria?
I always liked in one of the Discworld books descriptions of a Lord Mayor's show and it being a chance for people to jeer at their social superiors. Monarchical pagentry is a bit silly. It works, but it can be a bit silly. People can enjoy the slightly silly bits, or mock it, but that's still nice and fun, and the serious arguments can go on some other time. It's why the angry, bitter stuff doesn't play so well on events like this, since people just wanted to have a good time, participating or mocking, and the overly serious stuff has its place outside it.
A trial to see if Chas can be kept off the throne indefinitely by an avatar.
It's really good!
It's not going to happen.
On the other hand, the Tory Party are a load of wobbly jellies. You wouldn't want to bet the farm on a successful regicide.
Although I did edit my response above.