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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    By the way, somewhere in this parade is the IOW’s own Ventnor Comic Jazz Band. How they got the gig, I really don’t know.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?

    A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.

    It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
    Oh Dear , competition to see who can be the biggest jingo bells between you and Leon. You need to get a life.
    The Coldstream guards also say hi
    Hi right back to that English regiment the Coldstream Guards.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190

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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.

    These images are worldwide news today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHhFfsWkaMw

    Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
    Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.

    The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
    Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.

    Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:

    Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV

    The Year of Jubilee

    8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.

    The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,204
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    The cricket was more entertaining.

    Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.

    This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1531940993871798272?s=21&t=E5aBEkTZ9xhVwdRIuVTyTA
    Lol!!

    Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out

    Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
    Just look at the number of Commonwealth countries fleeing to become republics.

    In the next decade or so we shall see the departure of Australia and Charles ascend to the throne.

    The monarchy is going to be vastly different shortly.

    Also do you not find the Royals a bit woke, that speech by the Duke of Cambridge was so bloody woke, it could have been written by Caroline Lucas.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    edited June 2022
    Well this is where I was today

    Mtskheta. A UNESCO listed cathedral founded in the 5th century. Gorgeous, and deeply spiritual



  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
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    Where is this?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    This whole parade is the last rites on the Britain that our parents knew.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


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    Where is this?
    Italy again!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,812
    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.

    Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.

    Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.

    It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.

    Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night

    The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
    I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.

    If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.

    I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


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    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,228
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?

    A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.

    It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
    But this is really all about the ending of an era, never to be recovered. Surely even you can see that?
    No. The era of The Queen may be coming to an end, but the monarchy and commonwealth will continue and go from strength to strength.
    Watch this space.
    I will.

    Republicans and "progressives" want to take advantage of the disorientation, listlessness and upheaval resulting from the end of the reign of our longest serving monarch to push for radical constitutional change.

    But they will fail. Abysmally. Because as wonderful and marvelous as Elizabeth Windsor is as an individual - and she really is an incredible woman - the institution is stronger than just the person who inhabits it. Even for someone as amazing as her.

    You and many others like you are calling this wrong. Badly wrong.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    OK, take the royals out of last night. The palace, the incredible history of the crown, the princes and princesses, all of it. Because it would all have to go, in a republic

    What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?

    To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide

    Pointless
    I wouldn't worry.

    It's not going to happen.
    Indeed

    My list of Things to Worry About is quite long. Whose isn’t, at the moment?

    “Britain will become a republic” however, is not on that list
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.

    Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.

    Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.

    It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.

    Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night

    The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
    I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.

    If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.

    I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
    Will Charles be King Charles III or will he take another name like George VII?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    The cricket was more entertaining.

    Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.

    This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1531940993871798272?s=21&t=E5aBEkTZ9xhVwdRIuVTyTA
    Lol!!

    Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out

    Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
    Just look at the number of Commonwealth countries fleeing to become republics.

    Meh.

    For me the question is not how many countries are going to become republics, it is why it has taken them this long to do so in the first place.

    I'd have expected several of them to have gone long before now, so others going is priced in - who would be surprised or concerned if Belize becomes a republic?

    The bigger nations like Australia would cause more of an effect.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,275
    I wonder if they're going to celebrate the 1970s with the punk scene.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


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    IanB2 said:


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    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.

    Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.

    Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.

    It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.

    Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night

    The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
    I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.

    If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.

    I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
    Some still do, but it hardly seems serious. Surprised not to have seen the tradition of crowning the heir whilst the king is still alive like the French used to.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,148
    The fawning lickspittle David Duguid is here. Did consider asking if he'd put his letter in, but it seems so unlikely as to not be worth my time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,026
    Jonathan said:

    Weird feeling that as a 40 something this is possibly the last Jubilee I can expect to see.

    Not so fast. There are two coronations on the horizon. Two more bouts of Rod Stewart and Elton John to suffer yet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    Scott_xP said:

    It’s possible that when historians come to write the history of these times, the Platty Joobs will be seen as the final collapse of the Boris project.

    It just makes Boris look so mendacious, mean-spirited, and divisive.

    Ironic that someone who came to power on the back of "patriotic flag waving" (sic) rhetoric should come to grief when confronted with the real thing.
    Yes indeed. It shows the nuances of difference between flag waving as nationalistic aggression and flag waving as celebratory patriotism. I am sure that some are unable to distinguish between these intents.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833

    I wonder if they're going to celebrate the 1970s with the punk scene.

    I seem to recall “God Save The Queen” being number one in 1977.

    Edit: Number two, definitely number two. Number two, for weeks.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    edited June 2022
    The sad thing is that this is really just the Russians parading coldwar missile launchers through Red Square, but with added humour.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    S
    Sicily, Madonie range, the view at lunchtime
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    Pensfold said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.

    Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.

    Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.

    It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.

    Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night

    The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
    I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.

    If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.

    I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
    Will Charles be King Charles III or will he take another name like George VII?
    I'd put money on it being Charles III. It's not like Charles II was a poor omen, and in any case after 72 years of knowing him as Charles he's not going to suddenly ask people to call him something else. No, that wouldn't be unusual as far as monarchs go, but different times.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?

    A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.

    It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
    Oh Dear , competition to see who can be the biggest jingo bells between you and Leon. You need to get a life.
    The Coldstream guards also say hi
    Hi right back to that English regiment the Coldstream Guards.
    Part of the finest traditions of the British state - first raised to oppress Scotland.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937
    Oh ffs. We're just a bawhair away from a cryogenically preserved head in a glass case.



    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533444953849974785?s=20&t=SZS6uNHOdyHzYM0bvlKtlg
  • DayTripperDayTripper Posts: 128

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    The cricket was more entertaining.

    Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.

    This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1531940993871798272?s=21&t=E5aBEkTZ9xhVwdRIuVTyTA
    Last night's event/party reminded me of the "Good Old Days" TV show from the 1970s, but the 2022 version.

    After the sublime Queen and Paddington sketch it all went downhill fast. My son tells me Rock 'n Roll is dead. Well last night was all the proof I needed.

    After London Bridge falls, the monarchy is so anachronistic, it withers and dies quickly. I'd prefer President Johnson to King Charles/ George.

    Anyway, I'm in Sicily,, anyone want to see a photo of my lunch, or the view from my hotel window? No... I thought not.
    OK... how about President Dorries?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564

    Oh ffs. We're just a bawhair away from a cryogenically preserved head in a glass case.



    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533444953849974785?s=20&t=SZS6uNHOdyHzYM0bvlKtlg

    Yes, I have to admit when I heard of this particular plan I did think it had crossed the tackiness boundary.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,195
    FPT, the Tiverton leaflet from the Conservative candidate has four points:-

    Improving roads and reopening stations
    Backing farmers and the rural economy
    New police officers
    More doctors and nurses

    Three out of those four promise more state investment and could have come from Corbyn, let alone Starmer. No mention of who cut the police and shut the stations in the first place. The other is so bland as to be meaningless.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    edited June 2022
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


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    IanB2 said:


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    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much

    On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)

    I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)

    Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,228
    IanB2 said:

    The sad thing is that this is really just the Russians parading coldwar missile launchers through Red Square, but with added humour.

    And.. comments like that are why I'm so confident you're on a hiding to nothing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,810

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?

    A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.

    It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
    Oh Dear , competition to see who can be the biggest jingo bells between you and Leon. You need to get a life.
    The Coldstream guards also say hi
    Hi right back to that English regiment the Coldstream Guards.
    they are easily confused in their jingoism
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474

    FPT, the Tiverton leaflet from the Conservative candidate has four points:-

    Improving roads and reopening stations
    Backing farmers and the rural economy
    New police officers
    More doctors and nurses

    Three out of those four promise more state investment and could have come from Corbyn, let alone Starmer. No mention of who cut the police and shut the stations in the first place. The other is so bland as to be meaningless.

    Only one of these is within the remit of an MP surely? Particularly as part of a vast government majority.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,228
    I think @IanB2 is secretly disappointed that he and his dog weren't invited to march in the pageant.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,336
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.

    These images are worldwide news today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHhFfsWkaMw

    Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
    Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.

    The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
    Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.

    Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:

    Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV

    The Year of Jubilee

    8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.

    The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
    We'll have a windfall tax on unearned wealth from house price increases at normal income tax rates, I think.

    At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.

    (There are complications, to be fair.)

    The total value of the UK housing market was up £670bn in 2021 alone, taking it to a total of £9.5tn, while the average home now has a market value of £240,800 compared to £224,800 a year ago.
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/house-prices-uk-property-markets-housing-never-ending-boom-000142297.html#:~:text=The total value of the,£224,800 a year ago.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,180
    It's like a cross between the London Marathon, the Cenotaph parade and the Notting Hill Carnival.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,810

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    OK, take the royals out of last night. The palace, the incredible history of the crown, the princes and princesses, all of it. Because it would all have to go, in a republic

    What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?

    To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide

    Pointless
    you really are deluded, take a few inbreds out and have the same show , please explain the difference.
    Malc hope you are watching the nice Pageant on your big screen!

    It's really good!
    I would rather put my wee man in the wringer
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much

    On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)

    I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)

    Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
    Actually the Meranerhohenweg. But the first photo was from a decidedly Italian speaking region, under-visited by foreigners…
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
    Two blokes smiling in front of a bonfire, with clear skies in the background says you are wrong.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    TOPPING said:

    It's like a cross between the London Marathon, the Cenotaph parade and the Notting Hill Carnival.

    It's kind of a village fete on wheels with added elderly celebrities.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,195
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.

    Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.

    Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.

    It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.

    Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night

    The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
    I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.

    If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.

    I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
    The Prince of Wales is no Vladimir Putin but wasn't there some recent speculation that Charles did not look at all well, photographed in full uniform for something-or-other (dad's funeral maybe)? Something about fat fingers and a florid complexion.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    kle4 said:

    Oh ffs. We're just a bawhair away from a cryogenically preserved head in a glass case.



    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533444953849974785?s=20&t=SZS6uNHOdyHzYM0bvlKtlg

    Yes, I have to admit when I heard of this particular plan I did think it had crossed the tackiness boundary.
    We might as well go the whole hog and have the Queen preserved as a holographic deep fake, powered by GPT4, then we can keep the World’s Favourite Granny forever
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,048

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting. The first two graphs are obvious. The third which shows wealthier voters have never trusted him is slightly harder to work out. Why did people with money realise he was crooked when those without took a lot longer? Is it the Tory deferential vote rearing its head again? He's an Old Etonian so he's got to be OK even when all the evidence pointed to the fact that he wasn't?

    They've met entitled chancers before?
    True. Even if you did an unglamorous subject at an unfashionable college, mini-Borises were ten a penny.

    So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-

    "He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
    Labour need to pin the blame on the culprits - the Tory party. They knew he was unfit for office yet picked him because they thought (correctly) that he could fool the public.

    This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.

    This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    TOPPING said:

    It's like a cross between the London Marathon, the Cenotaph parade and the Notting Hill Carnival.

    It’s a state funeral with an empty coffin, and a passing-of-the-era parade that many cannot see for what it is.
  • Am I the only person who thinks that Boris Johnson is a very poor type who is totally unsuited to be our Prime Minister, but also that it was quite out order to boo him at that occasion?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,810
    pigeon said:

    TOPPING said:

    It's like a cross between the London Marathon, the Cenotaph parade and the Notting Hill Carnival.

    It's kind of a village fete on wheels with added elderly celebrities.
    That sums it up, decripit has beens clinging to long past glories whilst filling their nappies.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190

    Am I the only person who thinks that Boris Johnson is a very poor type who is totally unsuited to be our Prime Minister, but also that it was quite out order to boo him at that occasion?

    Being half right is progress of sorts?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    pigeon said:

    TOPPING said:

    It's like a cross between the London Marathon, the Cenotaph parade and the Notting Hill Carnival.

    It's kind of a village fete on wheels with added elderly celebrities.
    The diggers parading were good. Was that for Prince George?

    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1533456075948687361?t=8UCh-YPkz6CkacddHXTPlg&s=19
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?

    A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.

    It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
    But this is really all about the ending of an era, never to be recovered. Surely even you can see that?
    No. The era of The Queen may be coming to an end, but the monarchy and commonwealth will continue and go from strength to strength.
    Watch this space.
    I will.

    Republicans and "progressives" want to take advantage of the disorientation, listlessness and upheaval resulting from the end of the reign of our longest serving monarch to push for radical constitutional change.

    But they will fail. Abysmally. Because as wonderful and marvelous as Elizabeth Windsor is as an individual - and she really is an incredible woman - the institution is stronger than just the person who inhabits it. Even for someone as amazing as her.

    You and many others like you are calling this wrong. Badly wrong.
    British republicanism is seen in much the same light as veganism, religious fervour, and the National Secular Society. Pretty oddball.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564

    Am I the only person who thinks that Boris Johnson is a very poor type who is totally unsuited to be our Prime Minister, but also that it was quite out order to boo him at that occasion?

    Well, it's hard to know what is the right or wrong time to do a booing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
    Scottish Indy will reduce our country’s average rainfall and raise our average temperature - what’s not to like?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,336
    edited June 2022
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    The cricket was more entertaining.

    Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.

    This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1531940993871798272?s=21&t=E5aBEkTZ9xhVwdRIuVTyTA
    Lol!!

    Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out

    Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
    Just look at the number of Commonwealth countries fleeing to become republics.

    Meh.

    For me the question is not how many countries are going to become republics, it is why it has taken them this long to do so in the first place.

    I'd have expected several of them to have gone long before now, so others going is priced in - who would be surprised or concerned if Belize becomes a republic?

    The bigger nations like Australia would cause more of an effect.
    How many are fleeing, and why is this a problem?

    It's a matter for the countries concerned.

    I wonder how many of those will become significantly more corrupt in such a process?

    I've been acquainting myself with the Australian Constitutional Crisis. The current Albanese stuff seems to be Australian politics being Australian politics.

    I'm wondering about offering a prize for some who can a Scot Nat non-miserabilist, but I'm not sure whether the species has been discovered yet. :smile:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
    It's been a lovely weekend, lots of taps aff and bbqs that seem to have managed a good time wthout UJs afaics.

    Slightly spoiled by the undulcet tones of an Orange marching band just now, celebrating the murder of Catholics no doubt.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    edited June 2022
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    OK, take the royals out of last night. The palace, the incredible history of the crown, the princes and princesses, all of it. Because it would all have to go, in a republic

    What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?

    To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide

    Pointless
    you really are deluded, take a few inbreds out and have the same show , please explain the difference.
    Malc hope you are watching the nice Pageant on your big screen!

    It's really good!
    I would rather put my wee man in the wringer
    Actually doing it the last time, was perhaps where you might just have taken a wrong turning?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    edited June 2022

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
    It's been a lovely weekend, lots of taps aff and bbqs that seem to have managed a good time wthout UJs afaics.

    Slightly spoiled by the undulcet tones of an Orange marching band just now, celebrating the murder of Catholics no doubt.
    Hopefully not the recent murder of Catholics at least.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
    Scottish Indy will reduce our country’s average rainfall and raise our average temperature - what’s not to like?
    Scotland isn't that cold and wet. Besides, we live in an era of global heating. Being slightly colder and wetter is probably no bad thing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,180
    If that sleeping woman doesn't have a Twitter account by the end of the day social media will have been created in vain.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,331
    edited June 2022
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.

    These images are worldwide news today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHhFfsWkaMw

    Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
    Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.

    The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
    Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.

    Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:

    Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV

    The Year of Jubilee

    8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.

    The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
    We'll have a windfall tax on unearned wealth from house price increases at normal income tax rates, I think.

    At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.

    (There are complications, to be fair.)

    The total value of the UK housing market was up £670bn in 2021 alone, taking it to a total of £9.5tn, while the average home now has a market value of £240,800 compared to £224,800 a year ago.
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/house-prices-uk-property-markets-housing-never-ending-boom-000142297.html#:~:text=The total value of the,£224,800 a year ago.
    Given that the UK GDP for 2021 was 2.2 trillion pounds, that's an awful lot of wealth in housing.

    We really can't carry on like this, can we? But equally, stopping carrying on like this will be painful.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    TOPPING said:

    If that sleeping woman doesn't have a Twitter account by the end of the day social media will have been created in vain.

    Mr Mark should have told his wife to stay at home?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    Personally I am little bothered one way or the other should we abolish the Monarchy. It does at least provide some entertainment, albeit in a strange combination of Pooterishness, Poshness and Pantomime. I think this parade is the last.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,813
    A man who was rescued from the River Thames after police used a Taser to try to restrain him has died.

    The Met Police said it was called at 09:03 BST on Saturday to reports of a man shouting on Chelsea Bridge Road armed with a screwdriver.

    He was rescued from the water but died in hospital that night

    VODKA AND ORANGE CAN KILL
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much

    On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)

    I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)

    Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
    Actually the Meranerhohenweg. But the first photo was from a decidedly Italian speaking region, under-visited by foreigners…
    The Apennines, in Abruzzo?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    I did Google it and it looks much more restored in that pic. Perhaps the sunlight bouncing off it gives that impression.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,275
    The camp, beardy guy from the Cinch adverts - was he famous for anything else hitherto, or did the adverts make him?
  • eekeek Posts: 24,924

    The camp, beardy guy from the Cinch adverts - was he famous for anything else hitherto, or did the adverts make him?

    Rylan first became famous in x-factor now does various pieces of TV work including Eurovision (semi-finals) and the weekday strictly show
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,127
    Starmer must be on his hands and knees every evening praying that tory MPs don't ditch Johnson now.

    As I posted months ago, Johnson has become a rotting, dead albatross around his party's neck.
  • Starmer must be on his hands and knees every evening praying that tory MPs don't ditch Johnson now.

    As I posted months ago, Johnson has become a rotting, dead albatross around his party's neck.

    The Corbyn of the Tories.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    edited June 2022

    The camp, beardy guy from the Cinch adverts - was he famous for anything else hitherto, or did the adverts make him?

    2012 X Factor. He was the comedy act, but was quite good, and generally endearing. He made Gary Borelow look a bit of a mug one night.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….


    ….
    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess A
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much

    On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)

    I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)

    Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
    Actually the Meranerhohenweg. But the first photo was from a decidedly Italian speaking region, under-visited by foreigners…
    The Apennines, in Abruzzo?
    No, although we did get to visit the Appenines south of Modena, and it is remarkable that Italy has this totally under-visited high mountain range when the Alps have become such an international playground…………

    The earlier photo was taken on the Nevegal ridge south of Belluno.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,976
    This parade is a bit random. Like someone randomly stuck breakdancers, Vespas and elderly celebs together and hoped for the best
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    We have now reached the point in this event where it is suggested that Princess Elizabeth won her crown by slaying a dragon.

    Not convinced.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,148
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
    It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
    I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.

    If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.


    This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
    I'm still here in Turiff where the face painting stall is doing a roaring trade. The band is still playing and the Lord Lieutenant has been to give a little speech.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474

    This parade is a bit random. Like someone randomly stuck breakdancers, Vespas and elderly celebs together and hoped for the best

    Giant dancing dragon and maiden puppet now! Bet neither Macron nor Putin have that at their parades.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661

    This parade is a bit random. Like someone randomly stuck breakdancers, Vespas and elderly celebs together and hoped for the best

    It’s the iron law of jubilees. The parades are always a bit ridic, the concerts surprisingly fun
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,893
    IanB2 said:

    By the way, somewhere in this parade is the IOW’s own Ventnor Comic Jazz Band. How they got the gig, I really don’t know.

    On the screen just now? 3.50!
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 144
    edited June 2022
    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting. The first two graphs are obvious. The third which shows wealthier voters have never trusted him is slightly harder to work out. Why did people with money realise he was crooked when those without took a lot longer? Is it the Tory deferential vote rearing its head again? He's an Old Etonian so he's got to be OK even when all the evidence pointed to the fact that he wasn't?

    They've met entitled chancers before?
    True. Even if you did an unglamorous subject at an unfashionable college, mini-Borises were ten a penny.

    So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-

    "He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
    Labour need to pin the blame on the culprits - the Tory party. They knew he was unfit for office yet picked him because they thought (correctly) that he could fool the public.

    This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.

    This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
    It is not particularly different to Corbyn. Kier Starmer campaigned twice for Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister (unless we think Starmer is a liar, of course).

    Starmer did not openly demonstrate any sort of rebellion - whether through extreme (joining a different party) or moderate (refusing to serve on the front bench) methods. This was an acceptance of the decision of the party membership. It was also the right strategy to secure the subsequent leadership.

    Indeed, Starmer sat in Shadow Cabinet meetings with Corbyn for more than three years, but didn't seem to notice that Corbyn was racist until a few days after he took the leadership in 2020.

    No doubt the next Tory leader will suddenly discover that Johnson is an unprincipled liar the day after they become leader as well.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):

    Looks like Brooklands
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,976
    Foxy said:

    This parade is a bit random. Like someone randomly stuck breakdancers, Vespas and elderly celebs together and hoped for the best

    Giant dancing dragon and maiden puppet now! Bet neither Macron nor Putin have that at their parades.
    Who needs huge nuclear weapons when you elegantly display the story of princess Elizabeth’s rise to the throne with the kinetic energy of puppetry
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    Foxy said:

    This parade is a bit random. Like someone randomly stuck breakdancers, Vespas and elderly celebs together and hoped for the best

    Giant dancing dragon and maiden puppet now! Bet neither Macron nor Putin have that at their parades.
    I am still waiting for the women who dress up as daffodils at Welsh Six Nations ties. They seem to have invited virtually everyone else.

    Well, apart from Pearly Kings and Queens. No Pearly Kings and Queens yet.
  • IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):


    Nurenberg?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):


    Nuremburg parade ground?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,127
    Andrew Lilico
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    Some folk still seem to have in their heads an imagine of Russia as a deep & vast country with near-limitless reserves. It isn't. It's a fairly poor country dependent for its limited wealth on mineral reserves, way behind on tech, with a medium-sized population & internal tension

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1533460956486848513
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,336
    edited June 2022

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
    Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies

    I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
    Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.

    These images are worldwide news today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHhFfsWkaMw

    Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
    Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.

    The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
    Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.

    Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:

    Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV

    The Year of Jubilee

    8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.

    The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
    We'll have a windfall tax on unearned wealth from house price increases at normal income tax rates, I think.

    At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.

    (There are complications, to be fair.)

    The total value of the UK housing market was up £670bn in 2021 alone, taking it to a total of £9.5tn, while the average home now has a market value of £240,800 compared to £224,800 a year ago.
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/house-prices-uk-property-markets-housing-never-ending-boom-000142297.html#:~:text=The total value of the,£224,800 a year ago.
    Given that the UK GDP for 2021 was 2.2 trillion pounds, that's an awful lot of wealth in housing.

    We really can't carry on like this, can we? But equally, stopping carrying on like this will be painful.
    Looking at the piece - it suffers from journo confusion.

    For "Total value of UK property market", the journo actually means something more like "total value of uk residential property", which is how I took it.

    The balloon needs to be popped gently, but too many people are in on the South Sea Housing Bubble.

    One small positive is that far fewer MPs now have their wealth dependent on speculating in London property, since aiui the basic regime has been renting at the London end since soon after 2010.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190

    IanB2 said:

    By the way, somewhere in this parade is the IOW’s own Ventnor Comic Jazz Band. How they got the gig, I really don’t know.

    On the screen just now? 3.50!
    Go William!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):


    It's taking a lot of willpower not to reveal it..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    Yes, it’s an Arabian fake, part of a redevelopment project for the old port town of Khor Fakkan, on the East coast of the UAE.

    It’s actually very well done, given that most people who go there will have never seen one in Rome, and has already hosted a number of local cultural events - but as you can tell from the photo (my photo, to stop reverse-googling) they are still working on the landscaping of the areas immediately around it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,474
    LDLF said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting. The first two graphs are obvious. The third which shows wealthier voters have never trusted him is slightly harder to work out. Why did people with money realise he was crooked when those without took a lot longer? Is it the Tory deferential vote rearing its head again? He's an Old Etonian so he's got to be OK even when all the evidence pointed to the fact that he wasn't?

    They've met entitled chancers before?
    True. Even if you did an unglamorous subject at an unfashionable college, mini-Borises were ten a penny.

    So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-

    "He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
    Labour need to pin the blame on the culprits - the Tory party. They knew he was unfit for office yet picked him because they thought (correctly) that he could fool the public.

    This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.

    This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
    It is not particularly different to Corbyn. Kier Starmer campaigned twice for Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister (unless we think Starmer is a liar, of course).

    Starmer did not openly demonstrate any sort of rebellion - whether through extreme (joining a different party) or moderate (refusing to serve on the front bench) methods. This was an acceptance of the decision of the party membership. It was also the right strategy to secure the subsequent leadership.

    Indeed, Starmer sat in Shadow Cabinet meetings with Corbyn for more than three years, but didn't seem to notice that Corbyn was racist until a few days after he took the leadership in 2020.

    No doubt the next Tory leader will suddenly discover that Johnson is an unprincipled liar the day after they become leader as well.
    Well, this happens all the time. Johnson voted for May's deal, Thatcher was in Heath's cabinet etc.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,190

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):


    Nurenberg?
    The very spot where all those speeches were made. You beat Foxy to it by a whisker.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,937
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    Yes, it’s an Arabian fake, part of a redevelopment project for the old port town of Khor Fakkan, on the East coast of the UAE.

    It’s actually very well done, given that most people who go there will have never seen one in Rome, and has already hosted a number of local cultural events - but as you can tell from the photo (my photo, to stop reverse-googling) they are still working on the landscaping of the areas immediately around it.
    Is it a copy of the one in Amman, looks like a very shiny version of it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pensfold said:

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    IanB2 said:


    ….

    Where is this?
    I’m gonna guess Alto Adige
    Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.

    Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
    I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Where was I yesterday?
    Hah. OK you might have beaten me off the bat

    (I promise not to google)

    OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?

    Very strange

    Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!

    It also looks quite poor… yikes…

    You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.

    I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey

    Is it Albania?
    Ha, not a bad effort.

    The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.

    The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.

    I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live

    But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
    So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):


    Christ, you’re not making it easy

    That’s basically a lump of concrete with a car park and a sports ground in the back

    OK, without googling (how would you even google something like this?) the sports ground has an air of venerability. Decay. And a distinct shape

    So I will say - given that the preceding photos are all in Italy and your cute dog doesn’t seem older or younger - that this is the same trip?

    And I will therefore guess that this is some kind of Roman hippodrome in Trentino or Veneto? Or it is a Roman hippodrome in that region… and Mussolini gave a speech from that concrete podium in front of it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,661
    Ooh, I got the Fascism right!
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