Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?
A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.
It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
Oh Dear , competition to see who can be the biggest jingo bells between you and Leon. You need to get a life.
The Coldstream guards also say hi
Hi right back to that English regiment the Coldstream Guards.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.
Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.
The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.
Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:
Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV
The Year of Jubilee
8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.
The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
The cricket was more entertaining.
Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.
This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.
Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out
Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
Just look at the number of Commonwealth countries fleeing to become republics.
In the next decade or so we shall see the departure of Australia and Charles ascend to the throne.
The monarchy is going to be vastly different shortly.
Also do you not find the Royals a bit woke, that speech by the Duke of Cambridge was so bloody woke, it could have been written by Caroline Lucas.
Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.
Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.
Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.
Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night
The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.
If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.
I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?
A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.
It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
But this is really all about the ending of an era, never to be recovered. Surely even you can see that?
No. The era of The Queen may be coming to an end, but the monarchy and commonwealth will continue and go from strength to strength.
Watch this space.
I will.
Republicans and "progressives" want to take advantage of the disorientation, listlessness and upheaval resulting from the end of the reign of our longest serving monarch to push for radical constitutional change.
But they will fail. Abysmally. Because as wonderful and marvelous as Elizabeth Windsor is as an individual - and she really is an incredible woman - the institution is stronger than just the person who inhabits it. Even for someone as amazing as her.
You and many others like you are calling this wrong. Badly wrong.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
OK, take the royals out of last night. The palace, the incredible history of the crown, the princes and princesses, all of it. Because it would all have to go, in a republic
What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?
To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide
Pointless
I wouldn't worry.
It's not going to happen.
Indeed
My list of Things to Worry About is quite long. Whose isn’t, at the moment?
“Britain will become a republic” however, is not on that list
Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.
Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.
Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.
Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night
The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.
If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.
I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
Will Charles be King Charles III or will he take another name like George VII?
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
The cricket was more entertaining.
Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.
This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.
Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out
Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
Just look at the number of Commonwealth countries fleeing to become republics.
Meh.
For me the question is not how many countries are going to become republics, it is why it has taken them this long to do so in the first place.
I'd have expected several of them to have gone long before now, so others going is priced in - who would be surprised or concerned if Belize becomes a republic?
The bigger nations like Australia would cause more of an effect.
Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.
Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.
Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.
Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night
The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.
If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.
I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
Some still do, but it hardly seems serious. Surprised not to have seen the tradition of crowning the heir whilst the king is still alive like the French used to.
It’s possible that when historians come to write the history of these times, the Platty Joobs will be seen as the final collapse of the Boris project.
It just makes Boris look so mendacious, mean-spirited, and divisive.
Ironic that someone who came to power on the back of "patriotic flag waving" (sic) rhetoric should come to grief when confronted with the real thing.
Yes indeed. It shows the nuances of difference between flag waving as nationalistic aggression and flag waving as celebratory patriotism. I am sure that some are unable to distinguish between these intents.
Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.
Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.
Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.
Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night
The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.
If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.
I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
Will Charles be King Charles III or will he take another name like George VII?
I'd put money on it being Charles III. It's not like Charles II was a poor omen, and in any case after 72 years of knowing him as Charles he's not going to suddenly ask people to call him something else. No, that wouldn't be unusual as far as monarchs go, but different times.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?
A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.
It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
Oh Dear , competition to see who can be the biggest jingo bells between you and Leon. You need to get a life.
The Coldstream guards also say hi
Hi right back to that English regiment the Coldstream Guards.
Part of the finest traditions of the British state - first raised to oppress Scotland.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
The cricket was more entertaining.
Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.
This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.
Last night's event/party reminded me of the "Good Old Days" TV show from the 1970s, but the 2022 version.
After the sublime Queen and Paddington sketch it all went downhill fast. My son tells me Rock 'n Roll is dead. Well last night was all the proof I needed.
After London Bridge falls, the monarchy is so anachronistic, it withers and dies quickly. I'd prefer President Johnson to King Charles/ George.
Anyway, I'm in Sicily,, anyone want to see a photo of my lunch, or the view from my hotel window? No... I thought not.
FPT, the Tiverton leaflet from the Conservative candidate has four points:-
Improving roads and reopening stations Backing farmers and the rural economy New police officers More doctors and nurses
Three out of those four promise more state investment and could have come from Corbyn, let alone Starmer. No mention of who cut the police and shut the stations in the first place. The other is so bland as to be meaningless.
Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.
Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)
I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)
Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?
A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.
It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
Oh Dear , competition to see who can be the biggest jingo bells between you and Leon. You need to get a life.
The Coldstream guards also say hi
Hi right back to that English regiment the Coldstream Guards.
FPT, the Tiverton leaflet from the Conservative candidate has four points:-
Improving roads and reopening stations Backing farmers and the rural economy New police officers More doctors and nurses
Three out of those four promise more state investment and could have come from Corbyn, let alone Starmer. No mention of who cut the police and shut the stations in the first place. The other is so bland as to be meaningless.
Only one of these is within the remit of an MP surely? Particularly as part of a vast government majority.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.
Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.
The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.
Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:
Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV
The Year of Jubilee
8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.
The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
We'll have a windfall tax on unearned wealth from house price increases at normal income tax rates, I think.
At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
OK, take the royals out of last night. The palace, the incredible history of the crown, the princes and princesses, all of it. Because it would all have to go, in a republic
What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?
To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide
Pointless
you really are deluded, take a few inbreds out and have the same show , please explain the difference.
Malc hope you are watching the nice Pageant on your big screen!
Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.
Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)
I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)
Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
Actually the Meranerhohenweg. But the first photo was from a decidedly Italian speaking region, under-visited by foreigners…
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
Two blokes smiling in front of a bonfire, with clear skies in the background says you are wrong.
Didn't bother with the "Jubilee Party" but the meeting of two icons (three if you include the marmalade sandwich) was sublime.
Yet, just a sense of it being the last show.
Down the road, we'll have the funeral, the coronation of George VII and the investiture of William as Prince of Wales - will any of those convey the joy and patriotism of this weekend? Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's unlikely Charles (as George VII) will make his Silver Jubilee so we'll be waiting on William who will probably get to the throne in his late 50s or early 60s. The circumstances of a Monarch ascending the throne in their 20s look unlikely to be repeated for some time baring accident. Our next three Kings will probably be older men when they ascend.
Dunno. i reckon they realise this, and William is going to be thrust forward much more. See last night
The Firm is nothing if not ruthless at preserving itself (for the good of the nation). “Prince Andrew has Covid”, yeah, right. He’s being kept in a lead lined vault with no means of escape. Quite sensibly
I'm not suggesting the Monarchy will end, nor should it - it's infinitely preferable to any of the alternatives.
If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.
I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
The Prince of Wales is no Vladimir Putin but wasn't there some recent speculation that Charles did not look at all well, photographed in full uniform for something-or-other (dad's funeral maybe)? Something about fat fingers and a florid complexion.
Yes, I have to admit when I heard of this particular plan I did think it had crossed the tackiness boundary.
We might as well go the whole hog and have the Queen preserved as a holographic deep fake, powered by GPT4, then we can keep the World’s Favourite Granny forever
Interesting. The first two graphs are obvious. The third which shows wealthier voters have never trusted him is slightly harder to work out. Why did people with money realise he was crooked when those without took a lot longer? Is it the Tory deferential vote rearing its head again? He's an Old Etonian so he's got to be OK even when all the evidence pointed to the fact that he wasn't?
They've met entitled chancers before?
True. Even if you did an unglamorous subject at an unfashionable college, mini-Borises were ten a penny.
So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-
"He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
Labour need to pin the blame on the culprits - the Tory party. They knew he was unfit for office yet picked him because they thought (correctly) that he could fool the public.
This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.
This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
Am I the only person who thinks that Boris Johnson is a very poor type who is totally unsuited to be our Prime Minister, but also that it was quite out order to boo him at that occasion?
Am I the only person who thinks that Boris Johnson is a very poor type who is totally unsuited to be our Prime Minister, but also that it was quite out order to boo him at that occasion?
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
There's something deliciously glorious and imperial about this, isn't it?
A pageant like this could have been held at almost any time in the last 200 years, and with more or less exactly the same uniforms and marching order.
It must really hurt to see the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards participate so handsomely.
But this is really all about the ending of an era, never to be recovered. Surely even you can see that?
No. The era of The Queen may be coming to an end, but the monarchy and commonwealth will continue and go from strength to strength.
Watch this space.
I will.
Republicans and "progressives" want to take advantage of the disorientation, listlessness and upheaval resulting from the end of the reign of our longest serving monarch to push for radical constitutional change.
But they will fail. Abysmally. Because as wonderful and marvelous as Elizabeth Windsor is as an individual - and she really is an incredible woman - the institution is stronger than just the person who inhabits it. Even for someone as amazing as her.
You and many others like you are calling this wrong. Badly wrong.
British republicanism is seen in much the same light as veganism, religious fervour, and the National Secular Society. Pretty oddball.
Am I the only person who thinks that Boris Johnson is a very poor type who is totally unsuited to be our Prime Minister, but also that it was quite out order to boo him at that occasion?
Well, it's hard to know what is the right or wrong time to do a booing.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
Scottish Indy will reduce our country’s average rainfall and raise our average temperature - what’s not to like?
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
The cricket was more entertaining.
Anyhoo the country expects the monarchy to be gone.
This polling confirms that as well as showing the monarchy is becoming less popular and less relevant.
Even 18-24 year olds think we should keep the monarchy. Not a single cohort thinks we should get rid of it. And, as you know as well as anyone, people become more conservative as they age. Remember they kept telling us in 2014 in Scotland that the young YESSERS would soon outnumber the old NO-voters, as the crumbling unionists died out
Hasn’t happened. Not gonna happen. We won’t be a republic in the lifetime of anyone on this forum. Beyond that the question is farcically irrelevant it is so imponderable
Just look at the number of Commonwealth countries fleeing to become republics.
Meh.
For me the question is not how many countries are going to become republics, it is why it has taken them this long to do so in the first place.
I'd have expected several of them to have gone long before now, so others going is priced in - who would be surprised or concerned if Belize becomes a republic?
The bigger nations like Australia would cause more of an effect.
How many are fleeing, and why is this a problem?
It's a matter for the countries concerned.
I wonder how many of those will become significantly more corrupt in such a process?
I've been acquainting myself with the Australian Constitutional Crisis. The current Albanese stuff seems to be Australian politics being Australian politics.
I'm wondering about offering a prize for some who can a Scot Nat non-miserabilist, but I'm not sure whether the species has been discovered yet.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
It's been a lovely weekend, lots of taps aff and bbqs that seem to have managed a good time wthout UJs afaics.
Slightly spoiled by the undulcet tones of an Orange marching band just now, celebrating the murder of Catholics no doubt.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
OK, take the royals out of last night. The palace, the incredible history of the crown, the princes and princesses, all of it. Because it would all have to go, in a republic
What would replace it? Forced mass interpretive mime in the centre of Swindon, to celebrate the fucking NHS? A day off to give thanks for PAYE?
To make it even remotely impressive, you’d have to inject some pomp and ceremony, presumably some military swaggering (see Bastille Day, or May Day in Russia), plus a lot of patriotism, and then you end up with something very close to a monarchical celebration, only absent the humanising magic that actual royals provide
Pointless
you really are deluded, take a few inbreds out and have the same show , please explain the difference.
Malc hope you are watching the nice Pageant on your big screen!
It's really good!
I would rather put my wee man in the wringer
Actually doing it the last time, was perhaps where you might just have taken a wrong turning?
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
It's been a lovely weekend, lots of taps aff and bbqs that seem to have managed a good time wthout UJs afaics.
Slightly spoiled by the undulcet tones of an Orange marching band just now, celebrating the murder of Catholics no doubt.
Hopefully not the recent murder of Catholics at least.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
Scottish Indy will reduce our country’s average rainfall and raise our average temperature - what’s not to like?
Scotland isn't that cold and wet. Besides, we live in an era of global heating. Being slightly colder and wetter is probably no bad thing.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.
Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.
The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.
Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:
Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV
The Year of Jubilee
8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.
The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
We'll have a windfall tax on unearned wealth from house price increases at normal income tax rates, I think.
At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.
Personally I am little bothered one way or the other should we abolish the Monarchy. It does at least provide some entertainment, albeit in a strange combination of Pooterishness, Poshness and Pantomime. I think this parade is the last.
Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.
Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)
I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)
Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
Actually the Meranerhohenweg. But the first photo was from a decidedly Italian speaking region, under-visited by foreigners…
Very good. Although a majority of the locals would rather you said Sudtirol.
Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
I am very good at this. Simply because I have travelled so much
On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)
I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)
Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
Actually the Meranerhohenweg. But the first photo was from a decidedly Italian speaking region, under-visited by foreigners…
The Apennines, in Abruzzo?
No, although we did get to visit the Appenines south of Modena, and it is remarkable that Italy has this totally under-visited high mountain range when the Alps have become such an international playground…………
The earlier photo was taken on the Nevegal ridge south of Belluno.
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
As a Republican I can report I had a great weekend and avoided the whole load of bollox jingoism/pretence that England is great. The chickens are coming home to roost, merde sandwiches all round.
It's a curious form of logic, that argues that the UK must remain a monarchy just because HMG can hire some pretty decent sound and lighting techs.
I'd imagine what has Unionist/Royalist (is there any separation?) sphincters fluttering is the mass indifference in Scotland to the 'party' which has surprised even me. As we see here the more enthusiastic of them prefer to engage in rage and bait, portaying those not on board as traitors and red clawed republicans; the thought that loads of folk think wtf has this got to do with me should be more worrying. If they think aprés Lilibet that more exposure to sausage fingers Charlie and Prince Bawheid is going to fix it, I for one look forward with enthusiasm to this strategy.
If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
This may come as a surprise, but it is not exactly a revelation to the rest of us in Britain that Scotland is a dour, joyless, drizzly, Presbyterian place, not given to smiling, let alone having a nice time
I'm still here in Turiff where the face painting stall is doing a roaring trade. The band is still playing and the Lord Lieutenant has been to give a little speech.
Interesting. The first two graphs are obvious. The third which shows wealthier voters have never trusted him is slightly harder to work out. Why did people with money realise he was crooked when those without took a lot longer? Is it the Tory deferential vote rearing its head again? He's an Old Etonian so he's got to be OK even when all the evidence pointed to the fact that he wasn't?
They've met entitled chancers before?
True. Even if you did an unglamorous subject at an unfashionable college, mini-Borises were ten a penny.
So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-
"He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
Labour need to pin the blame on the culprits - the Tory party. They knew he was unfit for office yet picked him because they thought (correctly) that he could fool the public.
This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.
This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
It is not particularly different to Corbyn. Kier Starmer campaigned twice for Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister (unless we think Starmer is a liar, of course).
Starmer did not openly demonstrate any sort of rebellion - whether through extreme (joining a different party) or moderate (refusing to serve on the front bench) methods. This was an acceptance of the decision of the party membership. It was also the right strategy to secure the subsequent leadership.
Indeed, Starmer sat in Shadow Cabinet meetings with Corbyn for more than three years, but didn't seem to notice that Corbyn was racist until a few days after he took the leadership in 2020.
No doubt the next Tory leader will suddenly discover that Johnson is an unprincipled liar the day after they become leader as well.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 5m Some folk still seem to have in their heads an imagine of Russia as a deep & vast country with near-limitless reserves. It isn't. It's a fairly poor country dependent for its limited wealth on mineral reserves, way behind on tech, with a medium-sized population & internal tension
Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace
Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannia Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable
And the Paddington thing was inspired
Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom
Nah, Dukedoms are tainted by Randy Andy, friend of nonces.
Tough weekend to be a republican. You have my sympathies
I see it was watched live by 13m - the most watched event of the year. And there will be millions more like me who watched it on catch-up, at home and abroad
Indeed so. What an awesome production, especially loved it after dark with the projection mapping onto Buckingham Palace and the drone show.
Oh, and Paddington Bear, that was utterly inspired.
Nevertheless, what we are watching is a funeral absent the grief that its subject is actually dead.
The open questions this weekend are the nature of our collective future post-QE2.
Yes, the whole thing has had a rather valedictory air, as you say "a funeral without the grief". A Jubilee is a time to restore the land, and for community.
Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:
Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV
The Year of Jubilee
8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.
The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
We'll have a windfall tax on unearned wealth from house price increases at normal income tax rates, I think.
At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.
Given that the UK GDP for 2021 was 2.2 trillion pounds, that's an awful lot of wealth in housing.
We really can't carry on like this, can we? But equally, stopping carrying on like this will be painful.
Looking at the piece - it suffers from journo confusion.
For "Total value of UK property market", the journo actually means something more like "total value of uk residential property", which is how I took it.
The balloon needs to be popped gently, but too many people are in on the South Sea Housing Bubble.
One small positive is that far fewer MPs now have their wealth dependent on speculating in London property, since aiui the basic regime has been renting at the London end since soon after 2010.
I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live
But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
Yes, it’s an Arabian fake, part of a redevelopment project for the old port town of Khor Fakkan, on the East coast of the UAE.
It’s actually very well done, given that most people who go there will have never seen one in Rome, and has already hosted a number of local cultural events - but as you can tell from the photo (my photo, to stop reverse-googling) they are still working on the landscaping of the areas immediately around it.
Interesting. The first two graphs are obvious. The third which shows wealthier voters have never trusted him is slightly harder to work out. Why did people with money realise he was crooked when those without took a lot longer? Is it the Tory deferential vote rearing its head again? He's an Old Etonian so he's got to be OK even when all the evidence pointed to the fact that he wasn't?
They've met entitled chancers before?
True. Even if you did an unglamorous subject at an unfashionable college, mini-Borises were ten a penny.
So the question any Boris successor (except Hunt) needs a good answer to-
"He fooled you for years, didn't he?"
Labour need to pin the blame on the culprits - the Tory party. They knew he was unfit for office yet picked him because they thought (correctly) that he could fool the public.
This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.
This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
It is not particularly different to Corbyn. Kier Starmer campaigned twice for Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister (unless we think Starmer is a liar, of course).
Starmer did not openly demonstrate any sort of rebellion - whether through extreme (joining a different party) or moderate (refusing to serve on the front bench) methods. This was an acceptance of the decision of the party membership. It was also the right strategy to secure the subsequent leadership.
Indeed, Starmer sat in Shadow Cabinet meetings with Corbyn for more than three years, but didn't seem to notice that Corbyn was racist until a few days after he took the leadership in 2020.
No doubt the next Tory leader will suddenly discover that Johnson is an unprincipled liar the day after they become leader as well.
Well, this happens all the time. Johnson voted for May's deal, Thatcher was in Heath's cabinet etc.
I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live
But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
Yes, it’s an Arabian fake, part of a redevelopment project for the old port town of Khor Fakkan, on the East coast of the UAE.
It’s actually very well done, given that most people who go there will have never seen one in Rome, and has already hosted a number of local cultural events - but as you can tell from the photo (my photo, to stop reverse-googling) they are still working on the landscaping of the areas immediately around it.
Is it a copy of the one in Amman, looks like a very shiny version of it.
I did wonder if it was a fake in the UAE, given that this is where you live
But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
So, for identifying historical spots, how about this one (which the dog very sensibly watered just after the photo, last year ):
Christ, you’re not making it easy
That’s basically a lump of concrete with a car park and a sports ground in the back
OK, without googling (how would you even google something like this?) the sports ground has an air of venerability. Decay. And a distinct shape
So I will say - given that the preceding photos are all in Italy and your cute dog doesn’t seem older or younger - that this is the same trip?
And I will therefore guess that this is some kind of Roman hippodrome in Trentino or Veneto? Or it is a Roman hippodrome in that region… and Mussolini gave a speech from that concrete podium in front of it?
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If this couple weren't such dimwits I'd think they had a nice ironical sense of humour.
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Interesting reading in Church this morning. It is not often that Leviticus gets a look in:
Leviticus 25: 8-12 KJV
The Year of Jubilee
8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields.
The subsequent verses make it clear that economic redistribution is a core part of Jubilee, as well as letting land and nature to recover.
In the next decade or so we shall see the departure of Australia and Charles ascend to the throne.
The monarchy is going to be vastly different shortly.
Also do you not find the Royals a bit woke, that speech by the Duke of Cambridge was so bloody woke, it could have been written by Caroline Lucas.
Mtskheta. A UNESCO listed cathedral founded in the 5th century. Gorgeous, and deeply spiritual
If Charles becomes King in his late 70s, he could easily have 15-20 years on the throne which will make William King in his mid 60s. Say he rules 30 years and George becomes king in his 60s and so on.
I know Charles isn't universally liked but are we still suggesting he should voluntarily step aside for his son because that isn't going to happen.
Republicans and "progressives" want to take advantage of the disorientation, listlessness and upheaval resulting from the end of the reign of our longest serving monarch to push for radical constitutional change.
But they will fail. Abysmally. Because as wonderful and marvelous as Elizabeth Windsor is as an individual - and she really is an incredible woman - the institution is stronger than just the person who inhabits it. Even for someone as amazing as her.
You and many others like you are calling this wrong. Badly wrong.
My list of Things to Worry About is quite long. Whose isn’t, at the moment?
“Britain will become a republic” however, is not on that list
For me the question is not how many countries are going to become republics, it is why it has taken them this long to do so in the first place.
I'd have expected several of them to have gone long before now, so others going is priced in - who would be surprised or concerned if Belize becomes a republic?
The bigger nations like Australia would cause more of an effect.
Not where the earlier photo was from, btw - that was decidedly Italian.
Edit: Number two, definitely number two. Number two, for weeks.
Sicily, Madonie range, the view at lunchtime
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533444953849974785?s=20&t=SZS6uNHOdyHzYM0bvlKtlg
Improving roads and reopening stations
Backing farmers and the rural economy
New police officers
More doctors and nurses
Three out of those four promise more state investment and could have come from Corbyn, let alone Starmer. No mention of who cut the police and shut the stations in the first place. The other is so bland as to be meaningless.
On our family WhatsApp the other day my sister teased us all with a photo of a beach umbrella on a long empty beach, and no other clues, and simply said Where am I? (She had not warned us she was zipping off on hols)
I nailed the country, the region, the town, indeed I nailed the actual beach. Ilha Tavira, Portugal. Quite distinctive if you know it (I also had the nudge of knowing she has been there before, once, many years ago)
Sud Tirol is fantastic. Gorgeous little towns everywhere. Bressanone!
At 50% that would raise about £600-700bn from the last 2 years alone. Nearly 1/3 of the national debt - gone.
(There are complications, to be fair.)
The total value of the UK housing market was up £670bn in 2021 alone, taking it to a total of £9.5tn, while the average home now has a market value of £240,800 compared to £224,800 a year ago.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/house-prices-uk-property-markets-housing-never-ending-boom-000142297.html#:~:text=The total value of the,£224,800 a year ago.
This was different to Corbyn. Labour MPs didn't choose him, only the members did. And they did so because of political values and principles, misguided as many might feel them to be.
This whole Johnson thing, whether it ends next week or not, has been unremittingly sordid. No way must the Cons be allowed to shrug it off just by ditching him now. They must pay a price. I'd suggest a decade in opposition commencing 2024. If you do the crime you do the time.
Where was I yesterday?
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1533456075948687361?t=8UCh-YPkz6CkacddHXTPlg&s=19
It's a matter for the countries concerned.
I wonder how many of those will become significantly more corrupt in such a process?
I've been acquainting myself with the Australian Constitutional Crisis. The current Albanese stuff seems to be Australian politics being Australian politics.
I'm wondering about offering a prize for some who can a Scot Nat non-miserabilist, but I'm not sure whether the species has been discovered yet.
Slightly spoiled by the undulcet tones of an Orange marching band just now, celebrating the murder of Catholics no doubt.
(I promise not to google)
OK it looks like a weirdly well preserved Roman theatre. Too well preserved. And with a tacky car park in front? With cheap street lights?
Very strange
Also palm trees. And quite dry hills. Hmmm!
It also looks quite poor… yikes…
You’ve beaten me, basically, but I’ll have a guess, putting together the clues.
I’ll say it’s an over-restored Roman theatre either in an ex communist country on the Med, or in a scruffier bit of Turkey
Is it Albania?
We really can't carry on like this, can we? But equally, stopping carrying on like this will be painful.
The Met Police said it was called at 09:03 BST on Saturday to reports of a man shouting on Chelsea Bridge Road armed with a screwdriver.
He was rescued from the water but died in hospital that night
VODKA AND ORANGE CAN KILL
The hill is dry apart from the waterfall on the left hand side.
The amphitheatre actually dates from as long ago as 2020.
As I posted months ago, Johnson has become a rotting, dead albatross around his party's neck.
The earlier photo was taken on the Nevegal ridge south of Belluno.
Not convinced.
But then I thought: even the UAE would not be that tacky….
Starmer did not openly demonstrate any sort of rebellion - whether through extreme (joining a different party) or moderate (refusing to serve on the front bench) methods. This was an acceptance of the decision of the party membership. It was also the right strategy to secure the subsequent leadership.
Indeed, Starmer sat in Shadow Cabinet meetings with Corbyn for more than three years, but didn't seem to notice that Corbyn was racist until a few days after he took the leadership in 2020.
No doubt the next Tory leader will suddenly discover that Johnson is an unprincipled liar the day after they become leader as well.
Well, apart from Pearly Kings and Queens. No Pearly Kings and Queens yet.
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Some folk still seem to have in their heads an imagine of Russia as a deep & vast country with near-limitless reserves. It isn't. It's a fairly poor country dependent for its limited wealth on mineral reserves, way behind on tech, with a medium-sized population & internal tension
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1533460956486848513
For "Total value of UK property market", the journo actually means something more like "total value of uk residential property", which is how I took it.
The balloon needs to be popped gently, but too many people are in on the
South SeaHousing Bubble.One small positive is that far fewer MPs now have their wealth dependent on speculating in London property, since aiui the basic regime has been renting at the London end since soon after 2010.
It’s actually very well done, given that most people who go there will have never seen one in Rome, and has already hosted a number of local cultural events - but as you can tell from the photo (my photo, to stop reverse-googling) they are still working on the landscaping of the areas immediately around it.
That’s basically a lump of concrete with a car park and a sports ground in the back
OK, without googling (how would you even google something like this?) the sports ground has an air of venerability. Decay. And a distinct shape
So I will say - given that the preceding photos are all in Italy and your cute dog doesn’t seem older or younger - that this is the same trip?
And I will therefore guess that this is some kind of Roman hippodrome in Trentino or Veneto? Or it is a Roman hippodrome in that region… and Mussolini gave a speech from that concrete podium in front of it?