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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377
    edited June 2022
    I've just returned from my one and only "Platty Joobs" event - a large party in a communal garden serving some of the city's more prosperous residents. It was a very jolly event, with a jazz band, and I enjoyed it. However, there were some downsides:

    1. Rubbish weather.
    2. The bar ran out of alcohol - ffs.
    3. Morris Dancers (what's that all about?).
    4. A well-to-do elderly gentleman with a union flag bow tie approached my wife and asked her "are you a fashion designer"? She has now eloped with him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    ohnotnow said:

    Farooq said:



    If you're using Chrome, just right click and search with Google Lens. Easy peasy.

    Now someone post a picture that cannot be Lensed but is recognisably one specific location, that's the challenge!

    Indoors, so possibly cheating - but it's a very unique spot...


    Is it Putin's bunker after a visit from Ukrainian special forces?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    edited June 2022
    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:



    Indoors, so possibly cheating - but it's a very unique spot...


    The RC seminary at Cardenden. Instantly recogniseable by the mince and tatties-powered processor in my brain.

    *****

    What's up with the blockquotes?

    Yes - recognise that. I think from an Abandoned Engineering programme on one of the minor TV channels.

    My other immediate thought was the desert hotel used to film in Quantum of Solace.
    And there's me thinking I might be the only person who'd know it. Why, if it wasn't for you pesky kids...

    (and yes, blockquotes are behaving quite 'interestingly')
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited June 2022
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    nd Mussolini gave a speech from that concrete podium in front of it?

    In general feel it reminds me of the Forest Recreation Ground in Nottingham (Goose Fair site), which is a flat very large grass/sports area at the bottom of a hill.

    You google it with Reverse Image Search.

    I did so I'll keep quiet.
    +++++++



    How does Reverse Image Search work? Do you type in keywords? Or paste in the photo? Genuinely curious, Sounds useful (but ruinous for fun quizzes like this)
    Paste in the photo (as a file) or, if it is online, give the URL.
    If you're using Chrome, just right click and search with Google Lens. Easy peasy.

    Now someone post a picture that cannot be Lensed but is recognisably one specific location, that's the challenge!
    Indoors, so possibly cheating - but it's a very unique spot...


    The RC seminary at Cardenden. Instantly recogniseable by the mince and tatties-powered processor in my brain.

    ++++


    And the girl?

    No, unless she is the actor from Trainspotting - Kelly Macdonald.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    BREAKING: COMMANDER OF THE RUSSIAN 5TH ARMY GENERAL ROMAN KUTUZOV HAS DIED IN BATTLE OF DONBASS

    https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1533473637981896705?cxt=HHwWgoCyhcWJ_8cqAAAA

    Oh no, what a shame.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    NEW with @GeorgeWParker: Boris Johnson's allies are preparing to defend him in a potential confidence vote this week

    One close ministerial ally conceded letters threshold may be hit: "I’m confident it’s not 67. But whether it’s over 54 is another matter"

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    Although as a general rule I like spectacle and fun I'm not a fan of pageants. There's something about them that doesn't sit right with me.

    They are unbelievably.tedious, is probably why.

    There's something.psychologically damaging about an unending traffic jam of people on the back of trucks for whom it ceased to be fun 5 miles ago.
    Yes, I find I can't watch for more than a couple of minutes. The worst one is probably that "New Year Parade" in London. Often takes place in a cold driving rain.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564

    I've just returned from my one and only "Platty Joobs" event - a large party in a communal garden serving some of the city's more prosperous residents. It was a very jolly event, with a jazz band, and I enjoyed it. However, there were some downsides:
    3. Morris Dancers (what's that all about?).

    Been nice knowing you. Enjoy the journey into the heart of the Sun....
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377
    HYUFD said:

    The Queen now appears on the balcony in a green dress

    It's unusual, to say the least, for a balcony to wear a green dress.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,321
    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    That was the passing of an era, surely?

    Wait and see the scale of the events when that eventuality occurs. This is the local town fête by comparison.

    The passing of the Monarch will be totally unprecedented to 95% of the population.
    The real test will be how much the Government is, or is not, willing to shell out for the next Coronation.
    They will. Think how much money the events of this weekend have generated for the economy - especially for a number of industries that have really suffered during the pandemic, and almost all attracting VAT.

    Throwing a few million at the formal celebration is a no-brainer for the Chancellor.
    Think you mean for London, we just get to pay for it all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,564
    Sandpit said:

    BREAKING: COMMANDER OF THE RUSSIAN 5TH ARMY GENERAL ROMAN KUTUZOV HAS DIED IN BATTLE OF DONBASS

    https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1533473637981896705?cxt=HHwWgoCyhcWJ_8cqAAAA

    Oh no, what a shame.
    Really buggered his Platty Joob party.....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,156
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Oh ffs. We're just a bawhair away from a cryogenically preserved head in a glass case.



    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533444953849974785?s=20&t=SZS6uNHOdyHzYM0bvlKtlg

    Yes, I have to admit when I heard of this particular plan I did think it had crossed the tackiness boundary.
    I agree. Should the Monarchy be aping ABBA? - surely not.
    The monarchy wishes it was as wealthy as ABBA.
    You may be discounting the Swedish tax system.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    That was the passing of an era, surely?

    Wait and see the scale of the events when that eventuality occurs. This is the local town fête by comparison.

    The passing of the Monarch will be totally unprecedented to 95% of the population.
    The local fete is MUCH bigger than any jubilee these days, at least here.

    THough in Edinburgh there is some sort of party going in in Princes Street Gardens, and, just to keep Leon happy, also a Rally for a Scottish Republic up on Calton Hill.
    I'd vote for independence if they were offering a republic.
    Thankfully not even the SNP are offering that and as far left as you
    Monarchy will be gone within 3 years of scindy
    There won't be Scottish Indy anyway though even if there was Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc are independent but still with the Queen as Head of State
    It's behind you
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    Leon said:



    And the girl?

    Model friend who used to indulge my stupid/dangerous ideas for photo locations. Now retired I'm afraid.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    Safe for a year is urban myth
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,321
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    That was the passing of an era, surely?

    Wait and see the scale of the events when that eventuality occurs. This is the local town fête by comparison.

    The passing of the Monarch will be totally unprecedented to 95% of the population.
    The local fete is MUCH bigger than any jubilee these days, at least here.

    THough in Edinburgh there is some sort of party going in in Princes Street Gardens, and, just to keep Leon happy, also a Rally for a Scottish Republic up on Calton Hill.
    I'd vote for independence if they were offering a republic.
    Thankfully not even the SNP are offering that and as far left as you
    Monarchy will be gone within 3 years of scindy
    I really, really don't think so
    we can but hope though
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    That's what TMay probably thought, of course. If the party fails to get rid of him at the first attempt, and then later becomes desperate to do so, it can always vote to change the rules.

    Although I still doubt that enough of the wobbly jellies will go for a first vote to begin with.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    That was the passing of an era, surely?

    Wait and see the scale of the events when that eventuality occurs. This is the local town fête by comparison.

    The passing of the Monarch will be totally unprecedented to 95% of the population.
    The local fete is MUCH bigger than any jubilee these days, at least here.

    THough in Edinburgh there is some sort of party going in in Princes Street Gardens, and, just to keep Leon happy, also a Rally for a Scottish Republic up on Calton Hill.
    I'd vote for independence if they were offering a republic.
    Thankfully not even the SNP are offering that and as far left as you
    Monarchy will be gone within 3 years of scindy
    I really, really don't think so
    Betcha
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Does anyone really think we’ll see the likes of this again?

    I'm not seeing it now because of the tennis. Rubbish match as it turns out.
    Yes... I would've watched the Nadal procession but I'm currently enduring the purgatory of an elderly mother-in-law visit, so sitting through the Royal procession instead.

    Sounds like the Royal procession was more entertaining though, sadly.

    We have now moved on from Clare Balding and some other people fawning over HM to Kirsty Young and some other people fawning over HM. We are presently learning how Britain is the best country in the world because the Queen's wardrobe contains clothes in a variety of jaunty colours.
    Very skeptical on this "foot injury".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited June 2022
    kinabalu said:

    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    Although as a general rule I like spectacle and fun I'm not a fan of pageants. There's something about them that doesn't sit right with me.

    They are unbelievably.tedious, is probably why.

    There's something.psychologically damaging about an unending traffic jam of people on the back of trucks for whom it ceased to be fun 5 miles ago.
    Yes, I find I can't watch for more than a couple of minutes. The worst one is probably that "New Year Parade" in London. Often takes place in a cold driving rain.
    They’re all boring, unless they are actually dangerous, then they’re fun

    Jouvert which opens Trinidad carnival is intense. Starts at 2am and all the black people paint white bones on their bodies, and it goes from there

    i can also personally recommend some of the Japanese festivals, if they take place at night they will be animating

    While not a parade the Running of the Tar Barrels in Ottery St Mary in Devon is a hoot, it feels extremely dangerous, amazing it hasn’t been banned.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Camden Lock?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2022
    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    That's what TMay probably thought, of course. If the party fails to get rid of him at the first attempt, and then later becomes desperate to do so, it can always vote to change the rules.

    Although I still doubt that enough of the wobbly jellies will go for a first vote to begin with.
    May only went because of huge losses in the May 2019 local elections when the Tories got just 28% NEV and lost over 1000 council seats.

    Those seats are next up next year and the Tories could even make gains as they did so poorly last time
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    BREAKING: COMMANDER OF THE RUSSIAN 5TH ARMY GENERAL ROMAN KUTUZOV HAS DIED IN BATTLE OF DONBASS

    https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1533473637981896705?cxt=HHwWgoCyhcWJ_8cqAAAA

    Left over from War and Peace
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Camden Lock?
    Must be all the HS2 excavations.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,224
    OT: (I value reading the comments on PB because most of you are of a different political hue than me. I'm interested in debating what I write below, particularly if you disagree with it. If you're not interested and frustrated that it's off-topic and non-betting-related, apologies.)

    I've just finished Natasha Brown's excellent short novel Assembly - thoroughly recommended.

    My reading of Brown's novel is that it is about the near impossibility of forming (assembling) a coherent identity as a young black woman. To my mind it is very persuasive - the book is very short but laced with examples where the protagonist has to self-censor her thoughts and views in order to assimilate into a culture that has been largely created by white men and that resists discussing a significant historical aspect of its creation (imperialism).

    I recognise that the process of assimilation into a shared culture requires everyone to self-censor somewhat, but I am persuaded by the argument that, at the intersection of specific groups (women and black people, for example) the need for self-censorship is particularly acute, and therefore damaging to one's social- and self-identity.

    I'm really interested in the responses of those of you who would describe this thinking as woke and so dismiss it. Putting aside the disingenuous elements of the usage of woke (i.e. encouraging a culture war), for those of you who write on here about wokeness as an ideology, what is it that you disagree with in the above? And what reaction do you think individuals, society and government in UK (and elsewhere) should have to such strong feelings of alienation and self-censorship amongst a a significant proportion of that society's members?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    Sandpit said:

    BREAKING: COMMANDER OF THE RUSSIAN 5TH ARMY GENERAL ROMAN KUTUZOV HAS DIED IN BATTLE OF DONBASS

    https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1533473637981896705?cxt=HHwWgoCyhcWJ_8cqAAAA

    Oh no, what a shame.
    Really buggered his Platty Joob party.....
    OMG. Is he related to the legendary military commander Prince Kutuzov (who appears in War and Peace)?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Does anyone really think we’ll see the likes of this again?

    I'm not seeing it now because of the tennis. Rubbish match as it turns out.
    Yes... I would've watched the Nadal procession but I'm currently enduring the purgatory of an elderly mother-in-law visit, so sitting through the Royal procession instead.

    Sounds like the Royal procession was more entertaining though, sadly.

    We have now moved on from Clare Balding and some other people fawning over HM to Kirsty Young and some other people fawning over HM. We are presently learning how Britain is the best country in the world because the Queen's wardrobe contains clothes in a variety of jaunty colours.
    Very skeptical on this "foot injury".
    This is reported to be a chronic problem and we know he's injury prone in any event. I see no particular reason to doubt it.

    I wonder if he'll now turn up and have a go at Wimbledon this year? He's completed the first two legs of the calendar grand slam, after all...
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Camden Lock?
    Yes, that's Primrose Hill in the distance.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    Although as a general rule I like spectacle and fun I'm not a fan of pageants. There's something about them that doesn't sit right with me.

    They are unbelievably.tedious, is probably why.

    There's something.psychologically damaging about an unending traffic jam of people on the back of trucks for whom it ceased to be fun 5 miles ago.
    Yes, I find I can't watch for more than a couple of minutes. The worst one is probably that "New Year Parade" in London. Often takes place in a cold driving rain.
    They’re all boring, unless they are actually dangerous, then they’re fun

    Jouvert which opens Trinidad carnival is intense. Starts at 2am and all the black people paint white bones on their bodies, and it goes from there

    i can also personally recommend some of the Japanese festivals, if they take place at night they will be intense

    While not a parade the Running of the Tar Barrels in Ottery St Mary in Devon is a hoot, it feels extremely dangerous, amazing it hasn’t been banned.
    There's that Spanish one where a wild bull rages through a village and the local men run away from it. I guess that has its moments.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Been busy here in Tbilisi so I only just caught up with the Platinum Party at the Palace

    Outstanding. Simply outstanding showmanship. At times it edged uneasily towards a Britannic Nuremberg Rally on speed - it was that well done. The lights, the drones, the fireworks, the flags, most of the songs - impeccable

    And the Paddington thing was inspired

    Whatever you think of the royals, patriotism, Britain, that was a show and a half. Someone deserves a dukedom

    Brilliant.

    Except for that lady that butchered what a wonderful world.
    At first I thought she was totally off-key, but then I concluded she was doing it deliberately, to make the song more poignant, by singing it with loads of blue notes. After all, this was the segment of the show lamenting Climate Change, not the right place for a pure celebration

    Once I realised that, I enjoyed it

    The worst musical bits were Duran Duran - cheesy and crap songs - and Mica Paris mauling Ain’t No Mountain. The rap about sport was wearying

    Queen were brilliant, likewise Elton, the Eurovision dude, Ezra, Alicia Keys, Andrea Bocelli, Diana Ross did a great Chain Reaction, and Rod Stewart got away with having no voice left by leading a classic singalong of Sweet Caroline

    But really the star of the show was the man or woman who put it all together. Genius. And the lights on the palace! and the drones!
    There was a climate change section? Ugh, do fuck off (not you personally of course).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    I've just returned from my one and only "Platty Joobs" event - a large party in a communal garden serving some of the city's more prosperous residents. It was a very jolly event, with a jazz band, and I enjoyed it. However, there were some downsides:

    1. Rubbish weather.
    2. The bar ran out of alcohol - ffs.
    3. Morris Dancers (what's that all about?).
    4. A well-to-do elderly gentleman with a union flag bow tie approached my wife and asked her "are you a fashion designer"? She has now eloped with him.

    Was he in desperate need of fashion advice?

    Good chat up line though!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    OK I’ve just learned that the fucking sky was fucking ORANGE before it was blue

    Fucking hell
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,219
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    If that is the score...

    Isn't that just about the worst possible result all round?

    A Big Dog wounded but determined to continue (he would, wouldn't he?) but with everyone knowing that about half his party don't have confidence in him. Authority ripped to shreds. And a party that, when it came to it, decided that overall they were fine with his antics.

    He'd get a few months more pension contributions, but that would be all, wouldn't it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2
    No Google lensing!


    C'mon that could be anywhere!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    maxh said:

    OT: (I value reading the comments on PB because most of you are of a different political hue than me. I'm interested in debating what I write below, particularly if you disagree with it. If you're not interested and frustrated that it's off-topic and non-betting-related, apologies.)

    I've just finished Natasha Brown's excellent short novel Assembly - thoroughly recommended.

    My reading of Brown's novel is that it is about the near impossibility of forming (assembling) a coherent identity as a young black woman. To my mind it is very persuasive - the book is very short but laced with examples where the protagonist has to self-censor her thoughts and views in order to assimilate into a culture that has been largely created by white men and that resists discussing a significant historical aspect of its creation (imperialism).

    I recognise that the process of assimilation into a shared culture requires everyone to self-censor somewhat, but I am persuaded by the argument that, at the intersection of specific groups (women and black people, for example) the need for self-censorship is particularly acute, and therefore damaging to one's social- and self-identity.

    I'm really interested in the responses of those of you who would describe this thinking as woke and so dismiss it. Putting aside the disingenuous elements of the usage of woke (i.e. encouraging a culture war), for those of you who write on here about wokeness as an ideology, what is it that you disagree with in the above? And what reaction do you think individuals, society and government in UK (and elsewhere) should have to such strong feelings of alienation and self-censorship amongst a a significant proportion of that society's members?

    Sounds interesting. My weekend reading is Jacob Dunne's "Right and Wrong" a very thoughtful autobiography of a young man going straight after life on the fringes of the Nottingham gangs. Far more upbeat than it sounds.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    HYUFD said:


    May only went because of huge losses in the May 2019 local elections when the Tories got just 28% NEV and lost over 1000 council seats.

    Those seats are next up next year and the Tories could even make gains as they did so poorly last time

    Expectation management 11 months in advance...

    I think May went because of the existential threat Farage and TBP represented to the Conservative Party. Choosing Johnson as Party leader ended that threat - had any other candidate been chosen (or Johnson refused to stand for whatever reason), it's entirely possible we'd have seen a serious split of Conservatives to Farage.

    As for next year, yes, 2019 was awful so any recovery can be marked as progress but what if further seats are lost and the losses of 2019 not regained? That would suggest, would it not, the likelihood of a Conservative majority at the next election to be receding?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Adam Payne
    @adampayne26
    ·
    38m
    Tory MPs who want Johnson out have this weekend been circulating a briefing document setting out why. It warns the party is on course to lose the next election & concludes “the only way to end this misery, earn a hearing from the British public… is to remove Boris Johnson as PM”

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1533476836860170250

    ===

    Labour must so want him to stay in office, looking at that list.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2
    No Google lensing!


    C'mon that could be anywhere!
    Certainly isn't Wigan. So not quite anywhere.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2
    No Google lensing!


    C'mon that could be anywhere!
    Certainly isn't Wigan. So not quite anywhere.
    That wall looks a bit red though?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377
    edited June 2022
    Foxy said:

    I've just returned from my one and only "Platty Joobs" event - a large party in a communal garden serving some of the city's more prosperous residents. It was a very jolly event, with a jazz band, and I enjoyed it. However, there were some downsides:

    1. Rubbish weather.
    2. The bar ran out of alcohol - ffs.
    3. Morris Dancers (what's that all about?).
    4. A well-to-do elderly gentleman with a union flag bow tie approached my wife and asked her "are you a fashion designer"? She has now eloped with him.

    Was he in desperate need of fashion advice?

    Good chat up line though!
    No, he's normally rather elegant - sans the bow tie. He claimed he spotted her frequently and admired her sense of design. I asked him if he also admired my concomitant poverty.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    Beagle channel or whatever it's called?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    At least Nicholas 'Bloody Awful Man' Witchell was nowhere in sight today. His 'wry' observations rather get on my wick.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances
    He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    At least Nicholas 'Bloody Awful Man' Witchell was nowhere in sight today. His 'wry' observations rather get on my wick.

    He is on the BBC news now
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Wales 1-0 Ukraine

    Bale
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Sir Keir looked a bit lugubrious from what I saw. Wonder if he's received intelligence that Boris is for the chop.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Wales proving once again they are the most hated (sporting) nation in the world.

    On Wednesday Scotland showed why they are the most loved footballing nation in the world.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    Beagle channel or whatever it's called?
    I don’t think anyone is gonna get it without googling. It is hard. It is the Horizontal Falls on the Kimberley Coast, Australia

    A truly spectacular part of the world



  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Adam Payne
    @adampayne26
    ·
    38m
    Tory MPs who want Johnson out have this weekend been circulating a briefing document setting out why. It warns the party is on course to lose the next election & concludes “the only way to end this misery, earn a hearing from the British public… is to remove Boris Johnson as PM”

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1533476836860170250

    ===

    Labour must so want him to stay in office, looking at that list.

    It's a list which contains nothing which was inevitable at all.
    All these factors have solidified because they chose not to act. And to lie, dissemble and bullshit the population on an industrial scale to defend one bloke cos they thought he'd keep them their seats.
    And here we are.
    I hope he wins 52-48 and refuses to go. And doubles down on the Canzini inspired crap.
    It's the least they deserve.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Does anyone really think we’ll see the likes of this again?

    I'm not seeing it now because of the tennis. Rubbish match as it turns out.
    Yes... I would've watched the Nadal procession but I'm currently enduring the purgatory of an elderly mother-in-law visit, so sitting through the Royal procession instead.

    Sounds like the Royal procession was more entertaining though, sadly.

    We have now moved on from Clare Balding and some other people fawning over HM to Kirsty Young and some other people fawning over HM. We are presently learning how Britain is the best country in the world because the Queen's wardrobe contains clothes in a variety of jaunty colours.
    Very skeptical on this "foot injury".
    This is reported to be a chronic problem and we know he's injury prone in any event. I see no particular reason to doubt it.

    I wonder if he'll now turn up and have a go at Wimbledon this year? He's completed the first two legs of the calendar grand slam, after all...
    Hmm. Ok. Yes, I hope we see him at Wimbo. I'm more a Djokovic fan but it's good to have all the top players there. Zverev must be a doubt though. That looked nasty.
  • I think Johnson survives. He leads the Tories into the next GE
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances
    He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up
    I really can’t see the Tory party stewing on things for a limited period of time. If he wins and loses two subsequent by elections, there is no chance he hangs on
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    HYUFD said:


    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances

    He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up

    If only 55% of the Parliamentary party support him, he is damaged goods, the Conservative Party looks split from stem to stern and will limp on like a wounded animal looking for somewhere to lie down and die.

    Margaret Thatcher got 54.8% of the MP votes in 1990 and that wasn't enough - yes, I know the rules were different but even if they hadn't been, I suspect the pressure on her to resign would have been irresistible.

    You may well argue Jeremy Corbyn had even less support from his MPs and that's true but remind me how well that worked out for Labour at the least election?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    I think the Platty Joobs has been grand overall and I hope Her Maj enjoyed it.

    All it needs to cap off a great week is for her to tell BoZo to Fuck Off sorrowfully accept the resignation of the Prime Minister
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    Scott_xP said:
    Ah, I thought you meant Gareth Bale getting an MBE the same weekend he has just scored for Wales against Ukraine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances
    He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up
    I really can’t see the Tory party stewing on things for a limited period of time. If he wins and loses two subsequent by elections, there is no chance he hangs on
    There is, the rebels would have blown their chance, they should have waited until after the by elections at the end of the month.

    In any case Boris has already survived the loss of Chesham and Amersham and Shropshire North
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    If the earth has little to no atmosphere, that would make sense. I'm not sure about that though. In the time of earliest rock formation, I'd have thought there would be more gas around because of volcanic degassing. But IANAE.
    Different gases.
    I think it was the comparatively large amounts of methane a couple of billion years or so back that would have rendered it orangeish.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    OT: (I value reading the comments on PB because most of you are of a different political hue than me. I'm interested in debating what I write below, particularly if you disagree with it. If you're not interested and frustrated that it's off-topic and non-betting-related, apologies.)

    I've just finished Natasha Brown's excellent short novel Assembly - thoroughly recommended.

    My reading of Brown's novel is that it is about the near impossibility of forming (assembling) a coherent identity as a young black woman. To my mind it is very persuasive - the book is very short but laced with examples where the protagonist has to self-censor her thoughts and views in order to assimilate into a culture that has been largely created by white men and that resists discussing a significant historical aspect of its creation (imperialism).

    I recognise that the process of assimilation into a shared culture requires everyone to self-censor somewhat, but I am persuaded by the argument that, at the intersection of specific groups (women and black people, for example) the need for self-censorship is particularly acute, and therefore damaging to one's social- and self-identity.

    I'm really interested in the responses of those of you who would describe this thinking as woke and so dismiss it. Putting aside the disingenuous elements of the usage of woke (i.e. encouraging a culture war), for those of you who write on here about wokeness as an ideology, what is it that you disagree with in the above? And what reaction do you think individuals, society and government in UK (and elsewhere) should have to such strong feelings of alienation and self-censorship amongst a a significant proportion of that society's members?

    Sounds interesting. My weekend reading is Jacob Dunne's "Right and Wrong" a very thoughtful autobiography of a young man going straight after life on the fringes of the Nottingham gangs. Far more upbeat than it sounds.
    Makes me think ofr the position of the Irish RCs in Scottish life over the last 150 years. Several writers have explored that side in recent decades - William McIlvanney in Docherty (which is also about working class self-assimilation in part), and IIRC Denise Mina in her detective novels.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Another one for the British exceptionalists.

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=330334
    … If Nuri succeeds in its second launch, Korea will be the seventh country to launch a space rocket with its own technology, following Russia, the United States, France, China, Japan and India, which possess the independent capability of placing an over 1-ton satellite into orbit.…

    Of itself not a massive thing, but another indication we’re drifting down the league table of advanced industrial economies.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2022
    Also off topic, does this picture of an Open University graduation hood remind you of anything?

    https://churchillgowns.com/collections/open-university-individual-products/products/open-university-bachelors-hood
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2022
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances

    'He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up
    If only 55% of the Parliamentary party support him, he is damaged goods, the Conservative Party looks split from stem to stern and will limp on like a wounded animal looking for somewhere to lie down and die.

    Margaret Thatcher got 54.8% of the MP votes in 1990 and that wasn't enough - yes, I know the rules were different but even if they hadn't been, I suspect the pressure on her to resign would have been irresistible.

    You may well argue Jeremy Corbyn had even less support from his MPs and that's true but remind me how well that worked out for Labour at the least election?'

    Thatcher would have fought on under the current rules, as the 54.8% she got in 1990 would have been enough for her to survive with no second ballot. On current rules Thatcher would likely have led the Conservatives at the 1992 general election, not Major.

    Replacing general election majority winning PMs when still in goverment also rarely works out for the party concerned, whether the Tories when they replaced Macmillan with Home in 1963, Labour when it replaced Wilson with Callaghan in 1976, Labour again when they replaced Blair with Brown in the 2007 or the Tories when they replaced Cameron with May in 2016. In each case the governing party either still lost the next general election or in the case of May lost their majority.

    Replacing Thatcher with Major in 1992 the only exception in the last 50 years but even then Major still lost 40 seats that Thatcher had won in 1987 even if he won a narrow majority
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances
    He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up
    I really can’t see the Tory party stewing on things for a limited period of time. If he wins and loses two subsequent by elections, there is no chance he hangs on
    There is, the rebels would have blown their chance, they should have waited until after the by elections at the end of the month.

    In any case Boris has already survived the loss of Chesham and Amersham and Shropshire North
    ..but he’s meant to be an election winner?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Grimsby promoted to the EFL

    Beat Solihull Moors 2-1 in extra time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,092
    Harsh?

    A pollster has dubbed [Boris] the 'Conservative Corbyn' because of this[popular policies falling flat].

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1533476836860170250/photo/1
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited June 2022
    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one

    No Google Lensing!


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,630
    Scott_xP said:
    FBPE Twitter is getting very excited about an imagined Tory plot to get rid of Johnson and then reverse Brexit.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited June 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Another one for the British exceptionalists.

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=330334
    … If Nuri succeeds in its second launch, Korea will be the seventh country to launch a space rocket with its own technology, following Russia, the United States, France, China, Japan and India, which possess the independent capability of placing an over 1-ton satellite into orbit.…

    Of itself not a massive thing, but another indication we’re drifting down the league table of advanced industrial economies.

    Eh? Black Arrow for the UK in 1971 - but launched from Woomera in Oz [albeit a joint UK/Aus base]; and Prospero, the satellite, was (on checking) 146 kg.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one


    The nudists on Thorness Bay on the Isle of Wight?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One leading Johnson critic says it's 55% chance of a vote this week: "He is on the skids"

    Another influential Tory MP: “I think Brady will announce tomorrow and if he doesn’t, others will put letters in. It’s past the point of no return."

    https://www.ft.com/content/c7480de9-323a-410b-889b-dd24bbee593d

    I also think Boris wins it 55% to 45% if there is a vote this week and is then safe for a year
    You think Boris will continue on if he wins by a margin of 10%? Come on. We know how easy it is to change the 1 year rule as well. No way he survives in those circumstances
    He will survive, as I have already said next year's local elections, which would be the last chance to get rid of him before the next general election if he survives a VONC this month, will likely see Tory gains because they did so poorly last time the seats were up
    I really can’t see the Tory party stewing on things for a limited period of time. If he wins and loses two subsequent by elections, there is no chance he hangs on
    There is, the rebels would have blown their chance, they should have waited until after the by elections at the end of the month.

    In any case Boris has already survived the loss of Chesham and Amersham and Shropshire North
    They can't have another vote about it for a period of n is a claim to which you are wedded in more than one context. Wrong in both of them, the 1922 can have a portmanteau vote both shortening the period and having a second bite at Phatboi
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited June 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Another one for the British exceptionalists.

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=330334
    … If Nuri succeeds in its second launch, Korea will be the seventh country to launch a space rocket with its own technology, following Russia, the United States, France, China, Japan and India, which possess the independent capability of placing an over 1-ton satellite into orbit.…

    Of itself not a massive thing, but another indication we’re drifting down the league table of advanced industrial economies.

    Eh? Black Arrow for the UK in 1971 - but launched from Woomera in Oz [albeit a joint UK/Aus base]; and Prospero, the satellite, was (on checking) 146 kg.
    “1 tonne…”

    And what happened to Black Arrow ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one


    The nudists on Thorness Bay on the Isle of Wight?
    Nope!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,219
    kle4 said:

    Harsh?

    A pollster has dubbed [Boris] the 'Conservative Corbyn' because of this[popular policies falling flat].

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1533476836860170250/photo/1

    On who?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one

    No Google Lensing!


    Cap d’Agde?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Another one for the British exceptionalists.

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=330334
    … If Nuri succeeds in its second launch, Korea will be the seventh country to launch a space rocket with its own technology, following Russia, the United States, France, China, Japan and India, which possess the independent capability of placing an over 1-ton satellite into orbit.…

    Of itself not a massive thing, but another indication we’re drifting down the league table of advanced industrial economies.

    Eh? Black Arrow for the UK in 1971 - but launched from Woomera in Oz [albeit a joint UK/Aus base]; and Prospero, the satellite, was (on checking) 146 kg.
    “1 tonne…”

    And what happened to Black Arrow ?
    (a) the primary clause of the sentence is not qualified by the second, if you read it. "country to launch a space rocket with its own technology" is fulfilled by Prospero.

    The bit re weight is added later, as effectively a second sentence.

    As for what happened to BA: museums. And some concrete on the Isle of Wight.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one

    No Google Lensing!


    Emily Thornton?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    .
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Another one for the British exceptionalists.

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=330334
    … If Nuri succeeds in its second launch, Korea will be the seventh country to launch a space rocket with its own technology, following Russia, the United States, France, China, Japan and India, which possess the independent capability of placing an over 1-ton satellite into orbit.…

    Of itself not a massive thing, but another indication we’re drifting down the league table of advanced industrial economies.

    Eh? Black Arrow for the UK in 1971 - but launched from Woomera in Oz [albeit a joint UK/Aus base]; and Prospero, the satellite, was (on checking) 146 kg.
    “1 tonne…”

    And what happened to Black Arrow ?
    (a) the primary clause of the sentence is not qualified by the second, if you read it. "country to launch a space rocket with its own technology" is fulfilled by Prospero.

    The bit re weight is added later, as effectively a second sentence.

    As for what happened to BA: museums. And some concrete on the Isle of Wight.
    That hardly invalidates my point, construe the sentence how you will.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    My Great, Great, Great? Uncle was John Tyndall who was the bloke who discovered why the sky is blue. It is known as 'Tyndall Blue'. Amongst many other things. I have some of his books and notes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
    I thought blue skies was Rayleigh. Tyndall s work on co2 looks a lot more interesting and important anyway
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,439
    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one

    No Google Lensing!


    Please don't tell us that's your ex-wife.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Another one for the British exceptionalists.

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=330334
    … If Nuri succeeds in its second launch, Korea will be the seventh country to launch a space rocket with its own technology, following Russia, the United States, France, China, Japan and India, which possess the independent capability of placing an over 1-ton satellite into orbit.…

    Of itself not a massive thing, but another indication we’re drifting down the league table of advanced industrial economies.

    Eh? Black Arrow for the UK in 1971 - but launched from Woomera in Oz [albeit a joint UK/Aus base]; and Prospero, the satellite, was (on checking) 146 kg.
    “1 tonne…”

    And what happened to Black Arrow ?
    Tory cuts and American duplicity.

    The programme was cancelled on economic grounds, as the Ministry of Defence decided that it would be cheaper to use the American Scout rocket, which had a similar payload capacity, for future launches. Prior to the cancellation of Black Arrow, NASA had offered to launch British payloads for free; however, this offer was withdrawn following the decision to cancel Black Arrow.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Arrow#Cancellation
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Scott_xP said:
    FBPE Twitter is getting very excited about an imagined Tory plot to get rid of Johnson and then reverse Brexit.
    Diehard remain obsessives constantly banging on about brexit and just wishing it away, like that clown outside Westminster, really just need to move on.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one

    No Google Lensing!


    Please don't tell us that's your ex-wife.
    Lol

    I asked Where? Not who?

    Ok it’s 7.24am and she is running to the bottom of the dune at daybreak at Inyerkon, Death Valley, California
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,523
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    My Great, Great, Great? Uncle was John Tyndall who was the bloke who discovered why the sky is blue. It is known as 'Tyndall Blue'. Amongst many other things. I have some of his books and notes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
    I thought blue skies was Rayleigh. Tyndall s work on co2 looks a lot more interesting and important anyway
    Rayleigh Scattering and the Tyndall effect are two different but related things. But it was Tyndall who first identified the cause.

    To my kind of far greater importance than either the Greenhouse gas work or the Tyndall effect was his work on light trapping in streams of water which paved the way for the development of fibre optics.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Would have been easier for Ramsey to have scored that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,587
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    If the earth has little to no atmosphere, that would make sense. I'm not sure about that though. In the time of earliest rock formation, I'd have thought there would be more gas around because of volcanic degassing. But IANAE.
    A while back I heard a theory that the Earth has had three very distinct and totally different atmospheres, at least if the Theia Impact theory of Moon formation is correct. A primal sparse atmosphere would have formed very soon after the Earth coalesced - and even perhaps as it was coalescing.

    Then Theia impacted 4.5 billion years ago, and that sparse atmosphere was obliterated. The Earth and Moon coalesced from the debris, and a molten rock atmosphere existed around Earth (perhaps molten silicates) for many decades. As this slowly lost energy and 'sank' back to Earth, a final atmosphere could develop.

    That atmosphere was the basis of the one we have today, although much altered due to things like the great oxidation event.

    It's an intriguing thought: a molten rock atmosphere. But there is so much we do not know about those early years, and precious few rocks to show us.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Photo quiz 2


    No Google lensing!



    Saklikent
    Nope
    I Lensed it after my guess so I think I know it now. So I'll stay schtum.
    Obviously somewhere hot and sweaty with a Med-type climate, but the water body obviously fluctuates in depth - tidal or a reservoir or river with winter vs summer? There's a fair current, too. Not obviously volcanic (tho could be tuff beds) so not clear if a crater. Colorado River or Galapagos, Isla Fernando?
    Way off, I’m afraid. Without Lensing it is quite a tough one, not a well known place, however majestic the scenery

    Clue: the rocks are really really old. When I was there an expert told me the rocks are so old that they were formed when the sky was still pitch black, not blue. An idea which still makes my head spin, in a pleasurable way
    So they formed at night?
    Hah, no

    Apparently earth’s sky used to be permanently black. Or so this guy said. And he was the ship’s expert (another clue)

    Thinking about it now, does that make sense? Was the Sun just a massively bright star surrounded by darkness? WTF?
    My Great, Great, Great? Uncle was John Tyndall who was the bloke who discovered why the sky is blue. It is known as 'Tyndall Blue'. Amongst many other things. I have some of his books and notes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
    Brilliant!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Ok I’ll end with a really tough one

    No Google Lensing!


    Please don't tell us that's your ex-wife.
    Lol

    I asked Where? Not who?

    Ok it’s 7.24am and she is running to the bottom of the dune at daybreak at Inyerkon, Death Valley, California
    Speaking of which, Lake Mead is so low that murder victims from the prohibition era are surfacing says the Beeb. S Cal is in a very bad way
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Soz. INYOKERN, Death Valley. Important to get the facts right
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