Punters think there will be a Johnson VONC but he’ll win it – politicalbetting.com
Inevitably the main betting interest at the moment continues to be whether Boris Johnson is going to survive. Currently on Smarkets punters make it an 80% chance that he will face a VONC amongst Tory MPs in 2022.
Trooping the Colour is a truly bizarre mix of the Utterly Absurd and Unexpectedly Impressive, with a dash of peculiar melodrama
British history as dressage
Who the fuck are the guys banging drums on top of shire horses?? Why??
And yet, Wow men can bang big drums on top of shire horses. Who knew
You are so right On the mix Leon. What you are commenting on here, the difference between the pomp and circumstance is exactly what inspired Elgar. He based it on a poem!
I found this on the web
“Between 1901 and 1934 Edward Elgar composed five marches and sketched a sixth, the title he took from Act III, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's Othello:
Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump, The spirit-stirring drum, th'ear-piercing fife, The royal banner, and all quality, Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!
For the first is set a motto for the whole set of marches, set to a verse from Lord de Tabley's poem "The March of Glory" on assumption the splendid show of military pageantry—"Pomp"—has no connection with the drabness and terror to come —"Circumstance"
Like a proud music that draws men on to die Madly upon the spears in martial ecstasy, A measure that sets heaven in all their veins And iron in their hands. I hear the Nation march Beneath her ensign as an eagle's wing; O'er shield and sheeted targe The banners of my faith most gaily swing; Moving to victory with solemn noise, With worship and with conquest, and the voice of myriads.
As a tune, March number one quickly became very popular, on its Proms debut the audience demanded two encores. There was no singing involved at this stage, just pure appreciation of the music Elgar composed.
Elgar was asked by the King to rework this popular piece into a Coronation Ode, of which the chorus only (and not supplied by Elgar) is now used for Last Night pageantry. It is well known later in life Elgar was uncomfortable with this work morphing into something else, not because of his working class roots or Catholic upbringing during an era it was easier to have influence if you were hindered by neither, Ed was more than capable of looking after himself in that regard, it was more a case of losing control of his artistic soul, seeing his work man handled by those without understanding or good taste.
But what of appreciation and understanding of an artists work, if it is only the pomp cut from the relating circumstance?
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
Trooping the Colour is a truly bizarre mix of the Utterly Absurd and Unexpectedly Impressive, with a dash of peculiar melodrama
British history as dressage
Who the fuck are the guys banging drums on top of shire horses?? Why??
And yet, Wow men can bang big drums on top of shire horses. Who knew
You are so right On the mix Leon. What you are commenting on here, the difference between the pomp and circumstance is exactly what inspired Elgar. He based it on a poem!
I found this on the web
“Between 1901 and 1934 Edward Elgar composed five marches and sketched a sixth, the title he took from Act III, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's Othello:
Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump, The spirit-stirring drum, th'ear-piercing fife, The royal banner, and all quality, Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!
For the first is set a motto for the whole set of marches, set to a verse from Lord de Tabley's poem "The March of Glory" on assumption the splendid show of military pageantry—"Pomp"—has no connection with the drabness and terror to come —"Circumstance"
Like a proud music that draws men on to die Madly upon the spears in martial ecstasy, A measure that sets heaven in all their veins And iron in their hands. I hear the Nation march Beneath her ensign as an eagle's wing; O'er shield and sheeted targe The banners of my faith most gaily swing; Moving to victory with solemn noise, With worship and with conquest, and the voice of myriads.
As a tune, March number one quickly became very popular, on its Proms debut the audience demanded two encores. There was no singing involved at this stage, just pure appreciation of the music Elgar composed.
Elgar was asked by the King to rework this popular piece into a Coronation Ode, of which the chorus only (and not supplied by Elgar) is now used for Last Night pageantry. It is well known later in life Elgar was uncomfortable with this work morphing into something else, not because of his working class roots or Catholic upbringing during an era it was easier to have influence if you were hindered by neither, Ed was more than capable of looking after himself in that regard, it was more a case of losing control of his artistic soul, seeing his work man handled by those without understanding or good taste.
But what of appreciation and understanding of an artists work, if it is only the pomp cut from the relating circumstance?
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
Bit harsh from Sir Edward
Also, I wonder what he'd have said in about 1995, after 30 years of the Golden Age of British Pop Music, when we gave the world many of the popular songs they will be singing for the rest of time
Parkinson brought in for Leach as Potts gets another. To quote what they said about another county bowler who took four for not many on debut, 'He must think this international cricket is a very easy game.'
Parkinson brought in for Leach as Potts gets another. To quote what they said about another county bowler who took four for not many on debut, 'He must think this international cricket is a very easy game.'
This is the office computer. Two screens - and the ipad for PB, of course. Three screens at home though, so I can have PB, Jubilee, cricket and work, all at the same time!
Interesting signs of the fundamental shallowness of the Johnson government: (1) That they’ve now identified this as their key target voter (2) That targeting them means knocking off virtually all of the culture war nonsense they’ve majored on for the last 18 months
They've given up on the Red Wall then and are now targeting the liberal Southern Lib Dem inclined voter. They are in big, big trouble.
Insanely expensive and rather dangerous. After the crash they did a re-assessment of the issues - and found it was worse than they thought. Rolls Royce washed their hands of maintaining the engines, for that reason.
The list of things wrong with the flight that crashed, before it hit that metal strip on the runway is instructive.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen herself not being particularly bothered by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - hence Meghan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
Plenty of Elgar's own works undoubtedly qualify for that - I'm thinking the Vesper Voluntaries and the Severn Suite, for example.
And he did set O'Shaughnessy's execrable Ode to music, which is as bad as McGonagall's Tay Bridge Disaster (even if it gave us the phrase "movers and shakers").
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
Working royals plus the Kate and William brood only
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
It looks that way from the Daily Mail's headline and pictures. Either way, the Queen's clearly happy for her to be involved in the celebrations.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
She is looking after the young cousins on the non-working Royals balcony it seems. The Royals seem to be able to rub along in away that the Royalists struggle to do so.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there. On her relationship with Meghan, from the latter's retelling at least, she always got on better with HMQ than many of the others to begin with.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That's interesting insight.
Between us can you tell us about the Putin's motivations, inner thoughts and what will persuade him to withdraw?
Stuff on the inner mind of Kim Jong Littlun would be great too.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
My last comment was a bit facetious, but my point remains. I don't think you can claim that she was "unfussed" and "happy with it all" from the scant evidence provided.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That's interesting insight.
Between us can you tell us about the Putin's motivations, inner thoughts and what will persuade him to withdraw?
Stuff on the inner mind of Kim Jong Littlun would be great too.
Well my point was exactly that, that you can't make these sort of insights remotely...
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
My last comment was a bit facetious, but my point remains. I don't think you can claim that she was "unfussed" and "happy with it all" from the scant evidence provided.
This could become a bit circular, but I think the main evidence is that she is still at the top of the institution, has the final say, and is compos mentis ; hence if Meghan is there it must be a positive decision, unless her leadership position is significantly weakened, which I don't think.
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
And that is a big part of what makes her more popular than the institution itself. An inclusive, tolerant approach to divisions rather than seeking to take sides and win. Our politicians should take note.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
My last comment was a bit facetious, but my point remains. I don't think you can claim that she was "unfussed" and "happy with it all" from the scant evidence provided.
The Kremlinology of Court politics is quite something, but the Queen did send a car and security detail to take them from airport to Frogmore Cottage.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That's interesting insight.
Between us can you tell us about the Putin's motivations, inner thoughts and what will persuade him to withdraw?
Stuff on the inner mind of Kim Jong Littlun would be great too.
Well my point was exactly that, that you can't make these sort of insights remotely...
TBF I was paging the Oracle, rather than yourself.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
My last comment was a bit facetious, but my point remains. I don't think you can claim that she was "unfussed" and "happy with it all" from the scant evidence provided.
This could become a bit circular, but I think the main evidence is that she is still at the top of the institution, has the final say, and is compos mentis ; hence if she is there it would be a positive decision unless her leadership position is sigiificantly weakened, about which I don't think so.
At 'best' a positive decision, at 'worst' a neutral one. But I don't think the evidence is there to support your original claim.
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
I honestly don't think a large part of the country is prepared for the upheaval of the bridge falling. I think it will be an unexpectedly profound period for many. Not everyone of course.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
My last comment was a bit facetious, but my point remains. I don't think you can claim that she was "unfussed" and "happy with it all" from the scant evidence provided.
This could become a bit circular, but I think the main evidence is that she is still at the top of the institution, has the final say, and is compos mentis ; hence if she is there it would be a positive decision unless her leadership position is sigiificantly weakened, about which I don't think so.
At 'best' a positive decision, at 'worst' a neutral one. But I don't think the evidence is there to support your original claim.
The only evidence required is a functioning Queen ;.)
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
And that is a big part of what makes her more popular than the institution itself. An inclusive, tolerant approach to divisions rather than seeking to take sides and win. Our politicians should take note.
Agreed, although if Charles is wise he may be able to transfer that appeal and approach to the next generation, contrasting it with our polarised times again.
There's a couple of promising signs there - an interesting mix of fascination for global religions, a certain cultural open-mindedness, and a slightly more traditional, tweedy ruralism, which taken altogther defies too easy a categorisation.
Looks like the monarchy has survived "Meghan's Racist Bombshell", then
I think partly thanks to the Queen being unfussed by all the quarrels, weaponised on social media for various culture war quarrels on both sides - there's Megan back on the balcony, and Liz happy with it all.
Was she on the balcony? I couldn't see her or Harry
From the Daily Mail's headline and pictures, it looks like that.
She's not in the main picture of those standing on the balcony. That's a shot from a window during the trooping of the colour.
Yes, I see that's correct. The essential point still stands, though - the Queen herself is much less bothered by the quarrel than many others, got on well with her from the start, and has been happy enough for her and Harry to be associated with the whole event.
Well we don't actually know any of that for sure, do we? It's all speculation.
Well, the Queen is at the head of the institution, and is by all accounts still compos mentis. Meghan may not have been present on the balcony, but apparently was at the event, so clearly the Queen wanted her to be there.
I think you can only prove that she didn't not want her there.
That depends if we still think the Queen is still making a lot of the key decisions - I think she probably is.
My last comment was a bit facetious, but my point remains. I don't think you can claim that she was "unfussed" and "happy with it all" from the scant evidence provided.
This could become a bit circular, but I think the main evidence is that she is still at the top of the institution, has the final say, and is compos mentis ; hence if she is there it would be a positive decision unless her leadership position is sigiificantly weakened, about which I don't think so.
At 'best' a positive decision, at 'worst' a neutral one. But I don't think the evidence is there to support your original claim.
The only evidence required is a functioning Queen ;.)
She could have said "F it, let them come.. I don't care" for all we know!
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
The Queen has ears and is old 🤷
It's a bit more than that. She was in London for the Blitz and the Battle of Britain
She was on that same Buck Palace balcony with her mum, dad, sister and Winston Churchill when we officially defeated the Nazis on VE Day
The genius of monarchy is that it links a nation to its own past, with a chain of real humanity. No presidency can ever do this, tho some - like the French presidency - aspire to be monarchies. Which shows that constitutional monarchy - if you can manage it, and you don't get too many wrong uns - is a desirable thing
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
I am not old enough to remember the Blitz, but the sound of Merlin engines at full chat is stirring for anyone
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
The Queen has ears and is old 🤷
It's a bit more than that. She was in London for the Blitz and the Battle of Britain
She was on that same Buck Palace balcony with her mum, dad, sister and Winston Churchill when we officially defeated the Nazis on VE Day
The genius of monarchy is that it links a nation to its own past, with a chain of real humanity. No presidency can ever do this, tho some - like the French presidency - aspire to be monarchies. Which shows that constitutional monarchy - if you can manage it, and you don't get too many wrong uns - is a desirable thing
Nothing says forward looking country like a nostalgic Royalist in his cups.
Tri service fly past coming to us out here. I can’t wait! Amazing day.
It was AMAZING. First it looked like apocalypse now right over our heads, and then the Battle of Britain and everyone was roaring and cheering, and then the 70. I got great pictures of the 70!
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
I am not old enough to remember the Blitz, but the sound of Merlin engines at full chat is stirring for anyone
I've heard Spitfires, a couple of times. IIRC one was the last big jubilee
I didn't understand what people meant by their amazing sound - until I heard it for myself. There must be some acoustic reason why it is so distinct and even emotive
So yes I get the idea. And I can only imagine what sensations these engines must stir if they personally evoke the Blitz and the Battle of Britain, because you actually heard them then
Hardly surprising but non locals get lost in Milton Keynes "because all the roads look the same and the road names sound the same" whereas locals understand it is simply a grid. All moot with sat navs anyway.
We have a small group Brexiteers who moan on and on about Brexit far more than any Remainers do and now we have a small group on Monarchists moaning on and on about Republicans far more than any Republican does and today of all days.
The most moving point of the entire day was when the Spitfires flew over Buck House, and the Queen pointed up at them, and clearly said to Prince Charles - “that sound!”
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
The Queen has ears and is old 🤷
It's a bit more than that. She was in London for the Blitz and the Battle of Britain
She was on that same Buck Palace balcony with her mum, dad, sister and Winston Churchill when we officially defeated the Nazis on VE Day
The genius of monarchy is that it links a nation to its own past, with a chain of real humanity. No presidency can ever do this, tho some - like the French presidency - aspire to be monarchies. Which shows that constitutional monarchy - if you can manage it, and you don't get too many wrong uns - is a desirable thing
Nothing says forward looking country like a nostalgic Royalist in his cups.
I'd argue that it reduces the likelihood of history repeating itself.
On topic, I don’t really understand how Johnson wins a VONC. Mogg and Nadine apart, he has no real supporters.
180 MPs have to vote him out. Right now, it looks like the rebels don’t even have the 54 required to call that vote in the first place.
Yes, but all the calculations change once the VONC is called. Plenty of MPs don’t think it’s the right time for one, but if it happens, that doesn’t mean they’ll support Johnson.
We have a small group Brexiteers who moan on and on about Brexit far more than any Remainers do and now we have a small group on Monarchists moaning on and on about Republicans far more than any Republican does and today of all days.
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We have a small group Brexiteers who moan on and on about Brexit far more than any Remainers do and now we have a small group on Monarchists moaning on and on about Republicans far more than any Republican does and today of all days.
Why don't you just enjoy it. I know I am.
lol. This is PB. Are you new here?
It is just masochistic though. Oh I see what you mean.
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I found this on the web
“Between 1901 and 1934 Edward Elgar composed five marches and sketched a sixth, the title he took from Act III, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's Othello:
Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump,
The spirit-stirring drum, th'ear-piercing fife,
The royal banner, and all quality,
Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!
For the first is set a motto for the whole set of marches, set to a verse from Lord de Tabley's poem "The March of Glory" on assumption the splendid show of military pageantry—"Pomp"—has no connection with the drabness and terror to come —"Circumstance"
Like a proud music that draws men on to die
Madly upon the spears in martial ecstasy,
A measure that sets heaven in all their veins
And iron in their hands.
I hear the Nation march
Beneath her ensign as an eagle's wing;
O'er shield and sheeted targe
The banners of my faith most gaily swing;
Moving to victory with solemn noise,
With worship and with conquest, and the voice of myriads.
As a tune, March number one quickly became very popular, on its Proms debut the audience demanded two encores. There was no singing involved at this stage, just pure appreciation of the music Elgar composed.
Elgar was asked by the King to rework this popular piece into a Coronation Ode, of which the chorus only (and not supplied by Elgar) is now used for Last Night pageantry. It is well known later in life Elgar was uncomfortable with this work morphing into something else, not because of his working class roots or Catholic upbringing during an era it was easier to have influence if you were hindered by neither, Ed was more than capable of looking after himself in that regard, it was more a case of losing control of his artistic soul, seeing his work man handled by those without understanding or good taste.
But what of appreciation and understanding of an artists work, if it is only the pomp cut from the relating circumstance?
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
Also, I wonder what he'd have said in about 1995, after 30 years of the Golden Age of British Pop Music, when we gave the world many of the popular songs they will be singing for the rest of time
Loser.
Tri service fly past coming to us out here. I can’t wait! Amazing day.
LITERALLY
Do you mean your computer only has two screens?
How do you cope?
Parkinson brought in for Leach as Potts gets another. To quote what they said about another county bowler who took four for not many on debut, 'He must think this international cricket is a very easy game.'
https://twitter.com/TelegraphNews/status/1532329361696858112
no ...
LOL
https://www.news24.com/Sport/Australias-60-all-out-by-the-numbers-20150806
Interesting signs of the fundamental shallowness of the Johnson government:
(1) That they’ve now identified this as their key target voter
(2) That targeting them means knocking off virtually all of the culture war nonsense they’ve majored on for the last 18 months
They've given up on the Red Wall then and are now targeting the liberal Southern Lib Dem inclined voter. They are in big, big trouble.
Tho the
OK just saw the REd Arrows. Impressed
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-new-zealand-1954-55-61780/new-zealand-vs-england-2nd-test-62788/full-scorecard
The list of things wrong with the flight that crashed, before it hit that metal strip on the runway is instructive.
The monarchy probably earns its keep simply by making foreign people want to visit London
It’s small and close, but looks a bit like one that’s big and far away.
And he did set O'Shaughnessy's execrable Ode to music, which is as bad as McGonagall's Tay Bridge Disaster (even if it gave us the phrase "movers and shakers").
I do love Sospiri though.
However if both Wakefield and Tiverton and Honiton were lost in the by elections then he could be ousted
https://twitter.com/Daily_Express/status/1532336247007592449?t=97JQsIOLN01TIpmBh8Ny8Q&s=19
Between us can you tell us about the Putin's motivations, inner thoughts and what will persuade him to withdraw?
Stuff on the inner mind of Kim Jong Littlun would be great too.
Her Maj can remember the Blitz, and the Battle of Britain, and the sound of Spitfires defending our island
That’s quite something. Republicanism, pfff
https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/02/queen-sends-car-and-security-to-pick-up-harry-and-meghan-after-they-land-in-uk-16754036/
If she really prefers Lilibet's first birthday party to a day at the races, that will be an interesting choice. I suspect both can be done.
Not everyone of course.
There's a couple of promising signs there - an interesting mix of fascination for global religions, a certain cultural open-mindedness, and a slightly more traditional, tweedy ruralism, which taken altogther defies too easy a categorisation.
Of course there are a large number of republics in the Commonwealth, so no big deal really.
Literally.
I knew somebody who had to prepare a report on its future viability. Easy. It had none, even back in the late 80's.
She was on that same Buck Palace balcony with her mum, dad, sister and Winston Churchill when we officially defeated the Nazis on VE Day
The genius of monarchy is that it links a nation to its own past, with a chain of real humanity. No presidency can ever do this, tho some - like the French presidency - aspire to be monarchies. Which shows that constitutional monarchy - if you can manage it, and you don't get too many wrong uns - is a desirable thing
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/your-navigation-skills-depend-on-where-you-grew-up
Going to get food and drink now. 🙋♀️
I didn't understand what people meant by their amazing sound - until I heard it for myself. There must be some acoustic reason why it is so distinct and even emotive
So yes I get the idea. And I can only imagine what sensations these engines must stir if they personally evoke the Blitz and the Battle of Britain, because you actually heard them then
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/58516467
Mrs May won her confidence vote, even though she couldn’t get her flagship policy through Parliament.
We have a small group Brexiteers who moan on and on about Brexit far more than any Remainers do and now we have a small group on Monarchists moaning on and on about Republicans far more than any Republican does and today of all days.
Why don't you just enjoy it. I know I am.
Lords is about 1 mile from my flat.
*existential yearning*
Aviation sector’s difficulties are not just about the speed of the pandemic bounceback
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https://www.ft.com/content/5c8142ed-5a72-4de8-bf89-a6d6323a8b4f