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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Bernard Hogan Howe needs some moisturiser urgently.

    Anyone know how this poll reads in terms of seats. I'd have thought a clear majority for Labour?

    @Roger, a long shot but if anyone would have a clue on this it would be you.

    I've been looking for a film poster for the 1981 Katherine Bigelow movie, The Loveless. Done the usual Google search and Ebay, even contacted a movie memorabilia store in Edinburgh but no joy. Some of the specialists have it on their lists but only as not in stock or sold. If you have any pointers about where else I might look I'd be v. grateful.

    It's the poster version below.

    https://www.pastposters.com/details.php?prodId=8914
    The best film poster shop used to be on Brewer Street Soho but they never knew what they had. You had to spend a morning looking around. Just down from Wardour Street. If you get down to london at all. I'll ask an editor friend who might have a better idea. I'll let you know. Are you a Katherine Bigelow fan? I don't think I've seen 'Loveless'. I'll look it up
    Thanks Roger. My partner is going down next month to see Cabaret, I may entreat her to do me a favour and have a look.

    The film is best described as a curiosity I think. It's kind of a visual style thing, a well executed tribute to The Wild One and biker movies in general. Robert Gordon, a rock'n'roller, is one of the stars. I'm looking for it as background to a project I'm considering.
    Richard Gere / Breathless. Liked it. Bet you and Roger would smile politely and say you prefer the French original.
    At least we'd be polite!
    I quite like Gere, American Gigolo is bleakly brilliant. He is/was just a bit too pretty though..
    He's not a great actor but he is (imo) a great movie star. If he's in something - so long as it's set in the modern world because he's absurd in costume - I'll always be up for seeing it. That one, Gigolo, is one of his best. Could not be cast better and plus the soundtrack. I saw it when it came out with my 1st serious girlfriend (who became my 1st serious wife) and to say she was "into" him doesn't really do it justice.
    You sound like BJ. Precisely how many 'unserious' wives have you had?
    That's a Frank Muir line 'When I was married to my first wife...I call her that to keep her on her toes'
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022

    Have we nuked Paris yet?

    If not, why not?

    As Thierry Henry said a few weeks ago, careful its not in Paris, its in Saint Denis.

    I think if Zemmour had won he would have happily nuked Saint Denis.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,158
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I did the Diploma in Medical Education there. Good course, but boring place. No Tory though.
    I know the present Earl of Warwick. Quite a card
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,972
    Scott_xP said:

    PM’s allies are optimistic about any vote: “Boris’s argument is simple: he’s never lost a national election…he won London twice, the EU ref and the 2019 election. Do you want to swap him out for someone who has zero track record of winning an election?”

    https://www.ft.com/content/39ae8f45-c071-4b61-9a76-e6a839ccc8b9

    And Boris, we want to ensure that you keep that record intact …
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,205
    edited May 2022
    Leon said:

    We should all move to Tbilisi. It’s even more amazing at night. Everyone is drunk. Or stoned. Including the fundamentalist Muslims. Kids play mad jazz piano in open air bars. It’s beautiful but surreal. It’s a steampunk hashish dream of 1890s Paris run by hip London Russians. On acid


    Leon said:

    We should all move to Tbilisi. It’s even more amazing at night. Everyone is drunk. Or stoned. Including the fundamentalist Muslims. Kids play mad jazz piano in open air bars. It’s beautiful but surreal. It’s a steampunk hashish dream of 1890s Paris run by hip London Russians. On acid


    You can stay 364 days out of any 365 on a British passport, and even take paid employment. A sort of odd one-way freedom-of-movement.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,942

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    edited May 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I was indeed once chairman of Warwick University Conservative Association, had Lord Hurd and Ann Widdecombe to speak in my time amongst others.

    If you invite a high profile speaker the far left protests are just par for the course, glad to see the current Tory Association went ahead with the Zahawi talk anyway
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    So, did Liverpool get the Quadruple or did they just end up with the Texaco Cup and the Fifa fair play certificate?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I did the Diploma in Medical Education there. Good course, but boring place. No Tory though.
    I know the present Earl of Warwick. Quite a card
    I bet he doesn't live in Coventry though where Warwick Uni is located....
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    1. I'm not interested.
    2. I neither know nor care.
    3. It's alive and kicking: The Telegraph is free to publish its article; Zahawi has more platforms to spout his views than you or I ever will; people have the right to protest at his views.

    BTW: You have provided a nice example of 'pearl-clutching' to help @Heathener.
    Fair answers to 2 and 3, but 1 is a cop-out
    "Education Minister encounters student protests" does not strike me as the remotest bit interesting, or surprising.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,158
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    We should all move to Tbilisi. It’s even more amazing at night. Everyone is drunk. Or stoned. Including the fundamentalist Muslims. Kids play mad jazz piano in open air bars. It’s beautiful but surreal. It’s a steampunk hashish dream of 1890s Paris run by hip London Russians. On acid


    Leon said:

    We should all move to Tbilisi. It’s even more amazing at night. Everyone is drunk. Or stoned. Including the fundamentalist Muslims. Kids play mad jazz piano in open air bars. It’s beautiful but surreal. It’s a steampunk hashish dream of 1890s Paris run by hip London Russians. On acid


    You can stay 364 days out of any 365 on a British passport, and even take paid employment. A sort of odd one-way freedom-of-movement.
    I know. I am seriously tempted

    I can’t remember when I have been so bewitched by a city. Genuinely

    Possibly Bangkok in my 20s?

    I’m not alone. It is full of Arabs and Turks and Indians - all getting madly drunk. It is obviously the go-to pleasure zone for a LOT of people. It has a real sense of Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    1. I'm not interested.
    2. I neither know nor care.
    3. It's alive and kicking: The Telegraph is free to publish its article; Zahawi has more platforms to spout his views than you or I ever will; people have the right to protest at his views.

    BTW: You have provided a nice example of 'pearl-clutching' to help @Heathener.
    Fair answers to 2 and 3, but 1 is a cop-out
    "Education Minister encounters student protests" does not strike me as the remotest bit interesting, or surprising.
    Students protesting over someone using a dictionary and scientific definition of a word is so NUS though. They all think they are Rik from the Young Ones but all 2000s and edgy
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I did the Diploma in Medical Education there. Good course, but boring place. No Tory though.
    I know the present Earl of Warwick. Quite a card
    I bet he doesn't live in Coventry though where Warwick Uni is located....
    Most of the students though live in Leamington
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,158

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I did the Diploma in Medical Education there. Good course, but boring place. No Tory though.
    I know the present Earl of Warwick. Quite a card
    I bet he doesn't live in Coventry though where Warwick Uni is located....
    Lives mainly in Oz and Bali. Has a beautiful villa in the latter, albeit now surrounded by tourist tat
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    ping said:

    Next UK GE - Liberal Democrat vote share (Lad)

    10-15% 7/4
    5-10% 9/4
    15-20% 3/1
    20-25% 7/1
    25-30% 16/1
    20 bar

    Is 0-5% 20/1?

    Value if so. I expect a new Tory leader will, in reality, ditch the red wall strategy and aim to squeeze the LD vote as low as it will go.

    I don’t think they’ll succeed, but 20/1 on under 5% is value.
    Correct: 0-5% is 20/1

    And Over 30% is 33/1
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    1. I'm not interested.
    2. I neither know nor care.
    3. It's alive and kicking: The Telegraph is free to publish its article; Zahawi has more platforms to spout his views than you or I ever will; people have the right to protest at his views.

    BTW: You have provided a nice example of 'pearl-clutching' to help @Heathener.
    Fair answers to 2 and 3, but 1 is a cop-out
    "Education Minister encounters student protests" does not strike me as the remotest bit interesting, or surprising.
    Students protesting over someone using a dictionary and scientific definition of a word is so NUS though. They all think they are Rik from the Young Ones but all 2000s and edgy
    'Twas ever thus. Well, since the mid-1960s at any rate.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I worked at Warwick between 2013 and 2018.

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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    1. I'm not interested.
    2. I neither know nor care.
    3. It's alive and kicking: The Telegraph is free to publish its article; Zahawi has more platforms to spout his views than you or I ever will; people have the right to protest at his views.

    BTW: You have provided a nice example of 'pearl-clutching' to help @Heathener.
    Fair answers to 2 and 3, but 1 is a cop-out
    "Education Minister encounters student protests" does not strike me as the remotest bit interesting, or surprising.
    Students protesting over someone using a dictionary and scientific definition of a word is so NUS though. They all think they are Rik from the Young Ones but all 2000s and edgy
    'Twas ever thus. Well, since the mid-1960s at any rate.
    Indeed
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I’m ex Warwick and have sometimes voted Tory. Not currently a Tory.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,623

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Durham University has a campus a similar distance away in Darlington.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    1. I'm not interested.
    2. I neither know nor care.
    3. It's alive and kicking: The Telegraph is free to publish its article; Zahawi has more platforms to spout his views than you or I ever will; people have the right to protest at his views.

    BTW: You have provided a nice example of 'pearl-clutching' to help @Heathener.
    Fair answers to 2 and 3, but 1 is a cop-out
    "Education Minister encounters student protests" does not strike me as the remotest bit interesting, or surprising.
    Students protesting over someone using a dictionary and scientific definition of a word is so NUS though. They all think they are Rik from the Young Ones but all 2000s and edgy
    Your patter is shit and getting worse
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,926

    Have we nuked Paris yet?

    If not, why not?

    Why would you bother nuking a country whose language has 103 words for “surrender”?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185
    tlg86 said:

    England are favourites to win the test match this week.

    Free money to bet on the real favourites then. Weather looks ok too.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,972

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Royal Holloway, University of London. Not royal, not in Holloway and not even in London. It is, however, a university.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,942

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Didn't help much against the bombing though did it. My point is that pretending we can sit safely on our island whilst the world goes to hell in a handcart is a very foolish position. I wouldn't go as far as Leon in calling Luckyguy a fucking lunatic but I think he is being very naive about our position in the world today.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,972
    edited May 2022
    Foxy said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Durham University has a campus a similar distance away in Darlington.
    Stockton, I think. It’s Teesside that has a campus in Darlington.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022
    Foxy said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Durham University has a campus a similar distance away in Darlington.
    I seemed to remember that was because they took over a failing higher education institution. I thought it was Stockton.

    I think there are quite few examples of unis have similar setups, obviously some in totally different countries e.g. doesn't nottingham have a campus in Asia.

    But is there another one where the whole or main campus is elsewhere?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,623
    edited May 2022

    Foxy said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Durham University has a campus a similar distance away in Darlington.
    Stockton, I think. It’s Teesside that has a campus in Darlington.
    Yes, I am corrected. Fox jr applied there, but preferred UEA. Good choice, where else can you live in a zigurat?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185
    edited May 2022

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I did the Diploma in Medical Education there. Good course, but boring place. No Tory though.
    I know the present Earl of Warwick. Quite a card
    I bet he doesn't live in Coventry though where Warwick Uni is located....
    Please, it’s on the outskirts, and close enough to Kenilworth that a gentle jog can get you there...
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,721

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    I think it’s meant to be Warwickshire, but that may not be true.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    Farooq said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    1. I'm not interested.
    2. I neither know nor care.
    3. It's alive and kicking: The Telegraph is free to publish its article; Zahawi has more platforms to spout his views than you or I ever will; people have the right to protest at his views.

    BTW: You have provided a nice example of 'pearl-clutching' to help @Heathener.
    Fair answers to 2 and 3, but 1 is a cop-out
    "Education Minister encounters student protests" does not strike me as the remotest bit interesting, or surprising.
    Students protesting over someone using a dictionary and scientific definition of a word is so NUS though. They all think they are Rik from the Young Ones but all 2000s and edgy
    Your patter is shit and getting worse
    Thanks for the feedback.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Royal Holloway, University of London. Not royal, not in Holloway and not even in London. It is, however, a university.
    That reminds of when RyanAir used to fly to Copenhagen Sturup Airport..... located in Malmo, Sweden. Not even in the same sodding country.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    How do you know they aren't Tory students wanting their party to do the right thing as they see it?
    Warwick is a famously boring university, so that could well be true.

    Perhaps BGNW is just giving an illustrative example of pearl clutching...
    Suddenly realised - isn't one of us on PB an ex-Warwick Tory? Or rather a Tory ex-Warwick?
    I did the Diploma in Medical Education there. Good course, but boring place. No Tory though.
    I know the present Earl of Warwick. Quite a card
    I bet he doesn't live in Coventry though where Warwick Uni is located....
    Coventry is located in historic Warwickshire, however.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    The sheer industrial effort the US and U.K. committed to D-Day shows just how difficult Sealion would have been. I doubt it could have been done in 1940, and the Germans were planning on using barges, I think. Even with dominance in the air, which was never that likely, the British Navy was still a potent threat.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,721
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Durham University has a campus a similar distance away in Darlington.
    Stockton, I think. It’s Teesside that has a campus in Darlington.
    Yes, I am corrected. Fox jr applied there, but preferred UEA. Good choice, where else can you live in a zigurat?
    Friends of mine used to work in one. Oxford University Zoology Dept. Got demolished pdq recently - asbestos discovered.

    Old street view:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7582383,-1.24963,3a,90y,280.47h,74.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szV7OCOk1FB0cBNxSQKLcbQ!2e0!5s20091101T000000!7i13312!8i6656
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,006

    Foxy said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Durham University has a campus a similar distance away in Darlington.
    I seemed to remember that was because they took over a failing higher education institution. I thought it was Stockton.

    I think there are quite few examples of unis have similar setups, obviously some in totally different countries e.g. doesn't nottingham have a campus in Asia.

    But is there another one where the whole or main campus is elsewhere?
    Yes, Louvain (French-speaking) moved to a New Town in Wallonia. A bunch of universities lend their names outright to very rich countries trying to set up modern education. Most memorable to me is the University of Wollongong in Dubai. The Central European University was famously exiled by Orbán and Trump from Budapest to Vienna.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    @JonathanBarnes - you have been banned.

    You know why you have been banned.

    Please acknowledge one of the *many* emails I've sent you. Or - should your email be fake - then please email me at rcs1000 at gmail.

    Please do not just create another account.

    If you do, I will be forced to take more serious action.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    I think it’s meant to be Warwickshire, but that may not be true.
    I always presumed it was because when it setup as a new uni people especially from abroad if they looked up warwick would see talk of castles and olde english town, rather say it is next to Tile Hill, Coventry.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,232

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    Don't you mean de Montfort University?
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    I knew someone who went to Lanchester Poly once.....

    Guess where that was....
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,628

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    How about Brunel?

    Robert Gordons?

    Napier?



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    TresTres Posts: 2,226

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    They opted for headlines demonising trans people just this weekend to try and distract from partygate. Members of this nasty squalid government just have to suck it up.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    ydoethur said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    Don't you mean de Montfort University?
    Speak not the name of that pretender institution.

    (JK. Though, weirdly, I never even visited the place whilst at UoL)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    How about Brunel?

    Robert Gordons?

    Napier?



    I was going to say Napier was a good one, as it Napier is a place in New Zealand, but they call themselves Edinburgh Napier University.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,721

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    How about Brunel?

    Robert Gordons?

    Napier?



    Napier's first campus is actually partly in the tower house/castle where Napier of Merchiston, the chap who invented logarithms, lived. So one can't criticise it.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,721

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    You mean, you had baths when you were a student?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    That is a new one. Doesn't really seem like an alternative term for asexual, necessarily.
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386
    Carnyx said:

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    Del Monte is located in Leicester, rather than a fruit plantation in the Caribbean.
    How about Brunel?

    Robert Gordons?

    Napier?



    Napier's first campus is actually partly in the tower house/castle where Napier of Merchiston, the chap who invented logarithms, lived. So one can't criticise it.
    Yes, Napier's bones I think.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Carnyx said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    You mean, you had baths when you were a student?
    LOL.

    Shocking typo!!!
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,294
    edited May 2022
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,432

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    I was definitely aromantic at university.

    Well at the start.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    So its not people who are attracted to those who smell nice ;-)
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    I was definitely aromantic at university.

    Well at the start.
    I became more aromatic as the weeks went by....
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,944
    NEW: "It is a case of ‘when’ not ‘if’ and only ever closer"

    Far from calming things down, recess appears to put Boris Johnson’s leadership in fresh danger.

    w/@NewsAnnabelle
    https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-in-danger-as-mps-conclude-hell-cost-them-votes/
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288

    Are there any other UK unis located in a different town or city to their name?

    At one point, Manchester Met had a sizeable campus in Crewe. i think quite a few students were less than pleased that they had ended up there rather than the bright lights of the big smoke. But the main uni is obviously still in its namesake.

    I think it’s meant to be Warwickshire, but that may not be true.
    I always presumed it was because when it setup as a new uni people especially from abroad if they looked up warwick would see talk of castles and olde english town, rather say it is next to Tile Hill, Coventry.
    Nah, it just moved from Warwick proper to its present location just inside Coventry in the 1960s.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,432

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    I was definitely aromantic at university.

    Well at the start.
    I became more aromatic as the weeks went by....
    I became pansexual before it was fashionable.

    Every hole was a goal.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
    What does it mean?

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,432

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
    What does it mean?

    That you're not attracted to anybody romantically.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
    What does it mean?

    Aromanian is another term, but it's a language!
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
    What does it mean?

    What do you think aromantic means?
    It isn't really the Da Vinci Code.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022
    Mrs U has on a number of occasions accused me of being a-romantic, normally when I have left my sweaty gym gear in a bag for a couple of days in the bedroom wardrobe.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    The MPs know the game is up. I can see a well timed resignation tipping us over if we aren't already at 54.
    They are getting marmalised if they dont lance the boris boil.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: "It is a case of ‘when’ not ‘if’ and only ever closer"

    Far from calming things down, recess appears to put Boris Johnson’s leadership in fresh danger.

    w/@NewsAnnabelle
    https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-in-danger-as-mps-conclude-hell-cost-them-votes/

    I'll still believe when I see it, but perhaps some of them are coming to realise this might be the last chance saloon - leave it much longer and we're realistically around only 2 years out (notwithstanding early 2015 is technically the latest), and much more than that and any successor has no chance or a decent run in, and of course the timing of a GE is now back in Boris's hands, so he can keep them on their toes about an early one.
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    I was definitely aromantic at university.

    Well at the start.
    I became more aromatic as the weeks went by....
    I became pansexual before it was fashionable.

    Every hole was a goal.
    very good....

    Hours of fun with a collinder...
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,944
    Tuesday’s i - “Tory threat to Johnson growing by the day” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1531375977368109057/photo/1
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: "It is a case of ‘when’ not ‘if’ and only ever closer"

    Far from calming things down, recess appears to put Boris Johnson’s leadership in fresh danger.

    w/@NewsAnnabelle
    https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-in-danger-as-mps-conclude-hell-cost-them-votes/

    Things will, in fact, calm up.

    :smiley:
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Aromantic is a word.

    OED has it as "having no interest in or desire for romantic relationships."

    Which is obvious from the word, but when did it become a BADGE to be thrust in people's faces?
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: "It is a case of ‘when’ not ‘if’ and only ever closer"

    Far from calming things down, recess appears to put Boris Johnson’s leadership in fresh danger.

    w/@NewsAnnabelle
    https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-in-danger-as-mps-conclude-hell-cost-them-votes/

    Things will, in fact, calm up.

    :smiley:
    Mps conclude Hell costs them votes?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    The sheer industrial effort the US and U.K. committed to D-Day shows just how difficult Sealion would have been. I doubt it could have been done in 1940, and the Germans were planning on using barges, I think. Even with dominance in the air, which was never that likely, the British Navy was still a potent threat.
    I haven’t got a link to the formal write ups of the games. Sadly.

    Apparently in one game, the chap playing Goering was asked what the hell he was doing? He stated that he was trying to maximise Goerings position in the Third Reich in the game, by sabotaging rivals.

    The barge story is somewhere between comic and and sad.

    Perfectly summed up by the late, great Alison Brookes - https://www.philmasters.org.uk/SF/Sealion.htm

    {Alien Space Bats have entered the chat}
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,432

    Aromantic is a word.

    OED has it as "having no interest in or desire for romantic relationships."

    Which is obvious from the word, but when did it become a BADGE to be thrust in people's faces?

    It has grown to differentiate from incels.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,294

    The MPs know the game is up. I can see a well timed resignation tipping us over if we aren't already at 54.
    They are getting marmalised if they dont lance the boris boil.
    Time for a cabinet minister, or two, to resign and submit a letter/s
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    If you find the concept of aromantic difficult. You should learn the sub-categories.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-does-aromantic-mean
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
    What does it mean?

    It means you like sex - with whom is unspecified - but you're not keen on the whole buying flowers and chocolates malarky.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    I was definitely aromantic at university.

    Well at the start.
    I became more aromatic as the weeks went by....
    I became pansexual before it was fashionable.

    Every hole was a goal.
    very good....

    Hours of fun with a collinder...
    After which you'd be drained
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,432
    Wow.

    Look carefully. Really carefully. What do you see?



    https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1531370957683793922
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    TresTres Posts: 2,226

    Aromantic is a word.

    OED has it as "having no interest in or desire for romantic relationships."

    Which is obvious from the word, but when did it become a BADGE to be thrust in people's faces?

    it's always the daily mail readers complaining about thrusting in people's faces I've noticed.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288

    Aromantic is a word.

    OED has it as "having no interest in or desire for romantic relationships."

    Which is obvious from the word, but when did it become a BADGE to be thrust in people's faces?

    It has grown to differentiate from incels.
    "You can read minds??"
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2022
    dixiedean said:

    If you find the concept of aromantic difficult. You should learn the sub-categories.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-does-aromantic-mean

    Lithromantic or akoiromantic people feel romantic attraction but don’t want to have it returned. The attraction may also go away when someone does have feelings for them.

    Well that's a toughy....i really like you, me too, now i don't like you at all.l, oh well you hurt my feeling in don't think i like you either, i really like you again now....
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934

    The MPs know the game is up. I can see a well timed resignation tipping us over if we aren't already at 54.
    They are getting marmalised if they dont lance the boris boil.
    Time for a cabinet minister, or two, to resign and submit a letter/s
    Would certainly force the numbers way over 54
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,386
    edited May 2022
    Where's slartiBARTfast tonight?

    (Douglas Adams)
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377
    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    Exactly the same at my university.

    When the fuckwits tried to illegally donate money to the IRA, nearly a thousand students turned up to vote. Which was apparently anti-democratic, Comrades!



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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do you approve of Zahawi treatment at this university

    And would Starmer get the same reception

    What happened to free speech
    In answer to you questions:

    1) Yes, it is what a small group of students always do. They will be voting Tory in 20 years with a mortgage and two kids.

    2) I would hope so.

    3) It is free speech, if somewhat immature

    In my day 99% of students didn't do this, I suspect it is the same today. In my entire student days I only attended one event and that was because it was a motion in support of the IRA. This was at the height of the troubles so just about the entire student population turned up to tell the supporters of the motion to sod off, which they did.
    The Warwick student union’s society for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi+, Trans, Undefined and Asexual/Aromantic”

    Aromatic? When did this become a term?

    Honestly, I just can't keep up these days.

    Aromantic, not aromatic - albeit most students do, in fact, smell rather.
    What does it mean?

    It means you like sex - with whom is unspecified - but you're not keen on the whole buying flowers and chocolates malarky.
    Doesn't that describe a hell of a lot of men.....
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,721

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    The sheer industrial effort the US and U.K. committed to D-Day shows just how difficult Sealion would have been. I doubt it could have been done in 1940, and the Germans were planning on using barges, I think. Even with dominance in the air, which was never that likely, the British Navy was still a potent threat.
    I haven’t got a link to the formal write ups of the games. Sadly.

    Apparently in one game, the chap playing Goering was asked what the hell he was doing? He stated that he was trying to maximise Goerings position in the Third Reich in the game, by sabotaging rivals.

    The barge story is somewhere between comic and and sad.

    Perfectly summed up by the late, great Alison Brookes - https://www.philmasters.org.uk/SF/Sealion.htm

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    Many thanks! I used to have the SPI wargame in my school days. In fact I might have it still somewhere in the cupboard ...
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,944
    Look carefully. Really carefully. What do you see? https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1531370957683793922/photo/1
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    His article about Russia's military build up in January began by claiming that "nothing on the ground poses any strategic threat to Britain or any other western government, or even to Europe’s security as a whole."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/autonomy-eastern-ukraine-crisis-nato-russia-minsk
    That article has aged well, hasn't it?

    Another one who believes that Russia should be the gendarme of Eastern Europe.
    I am not aware of anything going on in Ukraine that *has*posed a strategical threat to Britain. The above seems a not very insightful statement of fact.
    There is a simple and very obvious strategic threat. Most of us believe very strongly (and this is backed up by many independent analysts) that Putin has his eyes not only on Ukraine but on many of the former Iron Curtain countries. Remember his demands prior to invading Ukraine were not just that Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere but that NATO should withdraw from all the former Warsaw Pact countries or risk war. Many of these are now members of NATO and an attack on one of those would precipitate open war between the UK and Russia.

    That is not just a strategic threat but quite likely an existential threat as well. Far better to make a stand now rather than allowing Putin victories which would probably embolden him.

    Jenkins was, is, and will remain, wrong if that is his view.
    Perhaps, but that is dependent on a British response. As is the above post about Russia threatening nuclear obliteration. The objective reality is that Russia can gobble up as much of Eastern and Central Europe is it likes, and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to Britain's interests. It would be horrible for those concerned however.
    You seriously think that if Putin seized all of eastern and Central Europe, presumably including Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Czechia, Croatia, Austria, etc etc etc, ie half of the EU and NATO, that wouldn’t make “a blind bit of difference to Britain’s interests”?

    You’re a fucking lunatic
    Yes, I really think that. That's not the same as staying I want it to happen. Historically, bits of Europe change hands all the time, between the Holy Roman Empire and the French, and blobs of Germany, and the Pope. It doesn't make much difference to Britain. We are an Island, a 'fortress built by Nature for herself against infection and the hand of war'.
    Well she singularly failed against infection and the hand of war certainly extended itself to our shores the last time someone thought a central European war was "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing"
    The Anti-French-Ditch came in very handy. See the Sandhiurst war gaming of Sealion. On one run, the Germans achieved losses of 25% in the first wave. Before any British units did anything…
    Do you have a reference for that, please? I'd be interested, though might have the relevant book already ...
    The sheer industrial effort the US and U.K. committed to D-Day shows just how difficult Sealion would have been. I doubt it could have been done in 1940, and the Germans were planning on using barges, I think. Even with dominance in the air, which was never that likely, the British Navy was still a potent threat.
    I haven’t got a link to the formal write ups of the games. Sadly.

    Apparently in one game, the chap playing Goering was asked what the hell he was doing? He stated that he was trying to maximise Goerings position in the Third Reich in the game, by sabotaging rivals.

    The barge story is somewhere between comic and and sad.

    Perfectly summed up by the late, great Alison Brookes - https://www.philmasters.org.uk/SF/Sealion.htm

    {Alien Space Bats have entered the chat}
    Thanks - really interesting.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    The MPs know the game is up. I can see a well timed resignation tipping us over if we aren't already at 54.
    They are getting marmalised if they dont lance the boris boil.
    Time for a cabinet minister, or two, to resign and submit a letter/s
    Would certainly force the numbers way over 54
    Sunak gets yet another chance to seize the day?

    Which he wont take.

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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
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    Aromantic is a weird word in that it covers both voluntary celibates and those that just want to rut like pigs.
    I'm one of those two.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934

    The MPs know the game is up. I can see a well timed resignation tipping us over if we aren't already at 54.
    They are getting marmalised if they dont lance the boris boil.
    Time for a cabinet minister, or two, to resign and submit a letter/s
    Would certainly force the numbers way over 54
    Sunak gets yet another chance to seize the day?

    Which he wont take.

    Unless he judges it his last chance saloon.....
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    Scott_xP said:

    Look carefully. Really carefully. What do you see? https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1531370957683793922/photo/1

    I see Yorkshire at its best. Bluff, bottom line in heading. It’s all you need.

    Lance the boil, then get on docking and castrating the sheep. Big Dog? No big deal. Just get on with it.
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