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SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited June 5 in General
imageThe Policeman and The Lawyer – politicalbetting.com

Two public servants: both in the autumn of their careers; both “Sirs“; both in the legislature; both facing important decisions. How are they approaching this and how are they being treated?

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  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    edited May 30
    Je suis la première
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 44,313
    edited May 30
    Funny hand-shakers looking after each other?

    I was told by a Tory MP in the late 80's that the most important and powerful Conservative group within Westminster was not the 1922, but the Lodge. Be interested to know how much that has changed in 35 years.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 6,613
    @ydoethur You do realise that I can't get the vision out of my head following your comment this morning about my unintended double entendre about 'Boris' and 'tarmac being laid' don't you. You have much to answer for!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,617

    Cat Neilan
    @CatNeilan
    Rumour doing the rounds that the magic number has been reached but Brady waiting until after recess/jubilee to pull the trigger...

    https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1531266594470604805
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 30,885
    At least Hogan-Howe did not describe Johnson as "a man of unblemished reputation."
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,722
    kjh said:

    @ydoethur You do realise that I can't get the vision out of my head following your comment this morning about my unintended double entendre about 'Boris' and 'tarmac being laid' don't you. You have much to answer for!

    I humbly abase myself, indeed I gravel.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925
    Are you really claiming that Bernard Hogan Howe (on the right) is in the autumn of his career?!

    He looks barely out of his teens
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,842

    Funny hand-shakers looking after each other?

    I was told by a Tory MP in the late 80's that the most important and powerful Conservative group within Westminster was not the 1922, but the Lodge. Be interested to know how much that has changed in 35 years.

    Hope there's not an element of this here:

    https://youtu.be/vNoPJqm3DAY?t=147
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,722
    Not just in the court system that law enforcement is going to shit.

    Woman tracks down her own stolen car before a police investigation
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61592910
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    Its over for Johnson. The new party is the final straw. He will quit before the confidence vote once he gets the whips soundings. Gone by July. Election May 2023 after a money throwing budget.
    I have pronounced!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,722


    Cat Neilan
    @CatNeilan
    Rumour doing the rounds that the magic number has been reached but Brady waiting until after recess/jubilee to pull the trigger...

    https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1531266594470604805

    If it gets to 184 letters, does he still have to hold a vote or just declares the PM's a reluctant Turkish conscript?
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 863
    Interesting @Cyclefree thanks for that.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...
    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 6,621

    Surprise .... a lawyer writes a header in praise of another lawyer.

    I have normally found lawyers speak very highly of themselves & their profession.

    I am with Dick the Butcher & Jack Cade
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,722


    Surprise .... a lawyer writes a header in praise of another lawyer.

    I have normally found lawyers speak very highly of themselves & their profession.

    I am with Dick the Butcher & Jack Cade

    What about the 10th Earl of Dundonald, who said he preferred the society of thieves in Newgate Prison to that of lawyers?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019


    Cat Neilan
    @CatNeilan
    Rumour doing the rounds that the magic number has been reached but Brady waiting until after recess/jubilee to pull the trigger...

    https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1531266594470604805

    Wouldn't be at all surprised if the number has been reached, [maybe even with the help of some of Boris's supporters who want the vote out of the way before the by-elections].
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925
    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    New leader in later summer, and to tie in to the previous thread the grand prize at conference will be newly defected Conservative MP Rosie Duffield
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    Cool. Gent.

    (Even if you continue to be rude to me ;) )
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 40,435
    Not much optimism in France:

    Cluster 17 poll: 'Will Emmanuel Macron's second term be better, similar or worse than the first?'

    Worse: 44%
    Similar: 28%
    Better: 15%
    Don't know: 13%


    image

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1531242017086394371
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    The LDs will spread their extra 1 or 2% about and win a handful more seats, yes. This isnt 2005 or 2010
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006
    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    "Unknown" in Meeks February spreadsheet.

    I think Boris is a goner.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    The LDs will spread their extra 1 or 2% about and win a handful more seats, yes. This isnt 2005 or 2010
    You'll recall that I tipped the LibDems to win Woking council, which they did.

    This isn't some mirage. I live here and Surrey is turning yellow.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    Won a formerly Yellow seat last time

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,073
    Exclusive: Could @BorisJohnson let 'Party Marty' "get away with it" once more - by lining him up for a new international trade role?

    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-accusations-cronyism-martin-reynolds-new-role-1658914
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,722
    IshmaelZ said:

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    "Unknown" in Meeks February spreadsheet.

    I think Boris is a goner.
    It's the hope that kills you.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484
    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,957

    Funny hand-shakers looking after each other?

    I was told by a Tory MP in the late 80's that the most important and powerful Conservative group within Westminster was not the 1922, but the Lodge. Be interested to know how much that has changed in 35 years.

    Is Boris of the Brotherhood?

    I have long since suspected the affirmative.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    The LDs will spread their extra 1 or 2% about and win a handful more seats, yes. This isnt 2005 or 2010
    You'll recall that I tipped the LibDems to win Woking council, which they did.

    This isn't some mirage. I live here and Surrey is turning yellow.
    Guildford probably and Raab possibly, Woking might be interesting too.
    All gone if BJ stays, perhaps just Guildford if hes gone.
    Imo.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    .

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    That would be Def Apeth ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,957
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    "Unknown" in Meeks February spreadsheet.

    I think Boris is a goner.
    It's the hope that kills you.
    The 54 is the easy part. I have my doubts about the 180 however.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925
    As predicted by MOI, the "desastre du Stade de France" - that's what the French are calling it - is impacting wider French politics

    Zemmour sticks le oar in



    Les socialistes sont des collabos Stade de France : Zemmour accuse des «racailles qui font la loi» en Seine-Saint-Denis, le socialiste... https://lefigaro.fr/politique/stade-de-france-zemmour-accuse-des-racailles-qui-font-la-loi-en-seine-saint-denis-le-socialiste-troussel-refute-20220530 via
    @Le_Figaro
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 863
    edited May 30
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969
    Nigelb said:

    .

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    That would be Def Apeth ?
    That's Def Leppard. A leppard is an apeth predator.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006
    Leon said:

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
    Pedantically written ha'p'orth.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They are free to boo whatever they like, tho I find booing the anthem quite repellent, and the Queen (in the form of her grandson) basic bad manners. But there is an argument, which you employ, for saying this is part of a grand working class tradition of epatering les bourgeois and giving it the Rebel Yell

    I'll let it pass.

    But booing the sublime meditation on death and mortality, that is Abide With Me?

    Fuck them. Philistine Scouse c*nts
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    I don't know if they always boo it (like Citeh fans do)?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    Theyll be burning books in case people be a learnin next.
    Theyre booing things because the things arent't Steven Gerrard with his wang out holding back a dog and screaming 'get it up ya'
    Football is depressing. I'm a Leeds fan, i should know
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    It's a rip off of Zadok the Priest by Handel.
    Booooooo
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
    Pedantically written ha'p'orth.
    You oughtn't've bought that ha'p'orth fo'c's'le
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    WTF is a kickball tournament doing having an anthem?

    And what an anthem

    Champions League Anthem lyrics

    Ce sont les meilleures équipes
    Es sind die allerbesten Mannschaften
    The main event

    Die Meister
    Die Besten
    Les grandes équipes
    The champions

    Une grande réunion
    Eine grosse sportliche Veranstaltung
    The main event

    Die Meister
    Die Besten
    Les grandes équipes
    The champions

    Ils sont les meilleurs
    Sie sind die Besten
    These are the champions

    Philistines
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
    Pedantically written ha'p'orth.
    You oughtn't've bought that ha'p'orth fo'c's'le
    I a'n't bovvered
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    Someone booed poor Camila Cabello, which I thought was very harsh.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925
    IshmaelZ said:

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    WTF is a kickball tournament doing having an anthem?

    And what an anthem

    Champions League Anthem lyrics

    Ce sont les meilleures équipes
    Es sind die allerbesten Mannschaften
    The main event

    Die Meister
    Die Besten
    Les grandes équipes
    The champions

    Une grande réunion
    Eine grosse sportliche Veranstaltung
    The main event

    Die Meister
    Die Besten
    Les grandes équipes
    The champions

    Ils sont les meilleurs
    Sie sind die Besten
    These are the champions

    Philistines
    PLEASE tell me those aren't actual lyrics
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,073
    Consensus seems to be the 'trickle' of letters is becoming a 'steady stream'.
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1531293325126512642
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    It's a rip off of Zadok the Priest by Handel.
    Booooooo
    Oh, it's a lot better than Zadok the Priest.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925
    OMFG those ARE the lyrics

    Hahahahahah


    The English "translation" somehow manages to be even more cringe


    They are the best teams
    They are the best teams
    The main event

    The master
    The best
    The great teams
    The champions

    A big meeting
    A great sporting event
    The main event

    The master
    The best
    The great teams
    The champions

    They are the best
    They are the best
    These are the champions

    The master
    The best
    The champions



    The "composer" has spoken proudly of his work:


    "The anthem was composed by Tony Britten, a graduate of the Royal College of Music, in the style of the famous 18th-century musician George Frederic Handel. It is performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and sung by the Academy of Saint Martin in the Fields chorus, both of which are based in London.

    ""The idea of the Champions League was to make the game beautiful again and the music had to reflect this quality," Britten told UEFA.tv of the composition."



    https://www.goal.com/en/news/champions-league-anthem-the-full-lyrics-for-footballs-most/12pnkyajpat5t11q3gtidrfak2
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 40,435
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 1,488
    Off to the comments with me 🍿
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969
    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    It's a rip off of Zadok the Priest by Handel.
    Booooooo
    Oh, it's a lot better than Zadok the Priest.
    Of all the things you've ever been wrong about, this is the wrongest
  • kjhkjh Posts: 6,613

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    The LDs will spread their extra 1 or 2% about and win a handful more seats, yes. This isnt 2005 or 2010
    You'll recall that I tipped the LibDems to win Woking council, which they did.

    This isn't some mirage. I live here and Surrey is turning yellow.
    Guildford probably and Raab possibly, Woking might be interesting too.
    All gone if BJ stays, perhaps just Guildford if hes gone.
    Imo.
    Mole Valley.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063
    edited May 30

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    Plus, once they get the 54 letters it will concentrate minds: it's now or never.

    The consensus in the winter was that the votes would be easier to get than the letters. I don't see why that would have changed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,925

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    I'm of a similar mind. I've thought for a while Boris would survive, but this feels too relentless. I'd say it's right now 60/40 that he gets VONC'd, and like you, I reckon if he gets VONCed that's it
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    Does he lose outright or win narrowly in a way that proves untenable.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 1,385
    I thought this recess might stop any momentum towards getting the letters in . So am I right in understanding they can just email them if they like?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    If he wins by a tiny margin do you think he will go?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    Leon said:

    OMFG those ARE the lyrics

    Hahahahahah


    The English "translation" somehow manages to be even more cringe


    They are the best teams
    They are the best teams
    The main event

    The master
    The best
    The great teams
    The champions

    A big meeting
    A great sporting event
    The main event

    The master
    The best
    The great teams
    The champions

    They are the best
    They are the best
    These are the champions

    The master
    The best
    The champions



    The "composer" has spoken proudly of his work:


    "The anthem was composed by Tony Britten, a graduate of the Royal College of Music, in the style of the famous 18th-century musician George Frederic Handel. It is performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and sung by the Academy of Saint Martin in the Fields chorus, both of which are based in London.

    ""The idea of the Champions League was to make the game beautiful again and the music had to reflect this quality," Britten told UEFA.tv of the composition."



    https://www.goal.com/en/news/champions-league-anthem-the-full-lyrics-for-footballs-most/12pnkyajpat5t11q3gtidrfak2

    He beat a really talented big faced kid in the Blue Peter competition to compise this
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969
    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    @Leon I was referring to these comments ...

    Leon said:

    Idiot Liverpool twits

    Leon said:

    Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

    I already apologised to Liverpool fans on the last thread

    My presumption that they were at fault was not surprising, after many years of Liverpool fans being yobs (we must remember Heysel even as we regret Hillsborough) plus they have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem, and anything beautiful or noble. I do not like them

    But my presumption they were to blame was largely if not entirely wrong in this instance. Hence, my apology to them. Ca suffit
    'They have now taken to booing the Queen, the anthem...'

    Not all bad then. A fine display of traditional working-class contempt for elite, if you ask me. A collective desire to cock-a-snook at a remote, out-of-touch ruling class. A longing for freedom. Thought that was your thing!

    What do they boo that you hold to be beautiful or noble? Genuine question.
    They booed Abide With Me too, but I think it's just a reflex. They booed the CL anthem on Saturday, too.
    After what they'd experienced, I can understand booing the Champions League anthem!
    WTF is a kickball tournament doing having an anthem?

    And what an anthem

    Champions League Anthem lyrics

    Ce sont les meilleures équipes
    Es sind die allerbesten Mannschaften
    The main event

    Die Meister
    Die Besten
    Les grandes équipes
    The champions

    Une grande réunion
    Eine grosse sportliche Veranstaltung
    The main event

    Die Meister
    Die Besten
    Les grandes équipes
    The champions

    Ils sont les meilleurs
    Sie sind die Besten
    These are the champions

    Philistines
    PLEASE tell me those aren't actual lyrics
    https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/champions-league-anthem-the-full-lyrics-for-footballs-most/12pnkyajpat5t11q3gtidrfak2

    It's the debasing and bastardisation of Handel that really pisses me off. Guaranteed, after Charles's coronation, a million and one explainers/FAQs as to why the CL anthem was integral to proceedings?

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,842
    Leon said:

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
    I seem to remember some kids' show in the late 70s (something like Crackerjack) where they had a spoof Darth Vader character called Daft Apeth.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 44,313
    Andy_JS said:

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    Does he lose outright or win narrowly in a way that proves untenable.
    Lose outright. By enough. There will be plenty saying to his face "Shocking turn of events, PM. Of course I'll support you!" - and then voting to get rid.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,617

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    Yeh, but, no, but, yeh, but... there's a reshuffle coming and I might get a job.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    If he wins by a tiny margin do you think he will go?
    what, Boris?

    I think you need a lie down. A skin of his teeth acquittal gives him 12 months under even less constraints than he is under now. you think, what, his innate sense of decency will prevent him taking advantage?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,205
    edited May 30
    Leon said:

    OMFG those ARE the lyrics

    Hahahahahah


    The English "translation" somehow manages to be even more cringe


    They are the best teams
    They are the best teams
    The main event

    The master
    The best
    The great teams
    The champions

    A big meeting
    A great sporting event
    The main event

    The master
    The best
    The great teams
    The champions

    They are the best
    They are the best
    These are the champions

    The master
    The best
    The champions



    The "composer" has spoken proudly of his work:


    "The anthem was composed by Tony Britten, a graduate of the Royal College of Music, in the style of the famous 18th-century musician George Frederic Handel. It is performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and sung by the Academy of Saint Martin in the Fields chorus, both of which are based in London.

    ""The idea of the Champions League was to make the game beautiful again and the music had to reflect this quality," Britten told UEFA.tv of the composition."



    https://www.goal.com/en/news/champions-league-anthem-the-full-lyrics-for-footballs-most/12pnkyajpat5t11q3gtidrfak2

    Ugh.

    "In the style of Handel". I always thought it was just a direct rip off.

    At least Eurovision doesn't pretend to start with anything other than Charpentier (some might suggest this is the best music of the night).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 44,313
    nico679 said:

    I thought this recess might stop any momentum towards getting the letters in . So am I right in understanding they can just email them if they like?

    I said last week that the recess would be the time that Tory MPs could have a quiet word with each other, to strap that spine on....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,918
    edited May 30
    kjh said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    The LDs will spread their extra 1 or 2% about and win a handful more seats, yes. This isnt 2005 or 2010
    You'll recall that I tipped the LibDems to win Woking council, which they did.

    This isn't some mirage. I live here and Surrey is turning yellow.
    Guildford probably and Raab possibly, Woking might be interesting too.
    All gone if BJ stays, perhaps just Guildford if hes gone.
    Imo.
    Mole Valley.
    Won't exist. Most of it will be in Dorking, should be an easy hold
    I think its a hold on current boundaries anyway, not by miles but by several % points
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    Wednesday

    Scotland 11/8
    Ukraine 13/5
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 44,313

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    Yeh, but, no, but, yeh, but... there's a reshuffle coming and I might get a job.
    Yeh, but, no, but, yeh, but... there's a new PM coming, a lot of old dead wood cast aside - and I might get a job.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,073
    London MP Nickie Aiken calls on PM to submit himself to a VONC to "end speculation". She's told constituents that "events in Downing St during the pandemic has damaged the govt and Conservative Party".

    Her Westminster council was a big loss to Labour in local elex

    Email this afternoon to constituents said that she "was incredulous and appalled in equal measure reading Ms Gray’s report".

    Not clear whether she's submitted a letter to the '22


    https://twitter.com/TomLarkinSky/status/1531296944978534403
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 44,313
    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    Simon Jenkins will not be holidaying in the Ukraine. Ever.

    Although there are some lovely penthouse suites in the Kremlin.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 13,836
    Farooq said:

    I'm not saying Simon Jenkins is a Kremlin stooge, but Simon Jenkins is not not a Kremlin stooge
    Simon Jenkins is, when he's not writing (or being ghostwritten for) on the subject of architecture, in general terms and on average, a tit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,073
    If BoZo survives a Vonc, he will immediately reshuffle, which means cabinet ministers who are not going to make the cut should jump now...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 6,613
    edited May 30

    kjh said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    Oooh ... Elliot Colburn has now called for Johnson to resign.

    Why 'ooooh'? Because he's a new Surrey MP. The blue wall is turning yellow and they're right to be worried.

    https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-former-culture-secretary-latest-tory-mp-to-call-for-boris-johnson-to-resign-12624248

    The LDs will spread their extra 1 or 2% about and win a handful more seats, yes. This isnt 2005 or 2010
    You'll recall that I tipped the LibDems to win Woking council, which they did.

    This isn't some mirage. I live here and Surrey is turning yellow.
    Guildford probably and Raab possibly, Woking might be interesting too.
    All gone if BJ stays, perhaps just Guildford if hes gone.
    Imo.
    Mole Valley.
    Won't exist. Most of it will be in Dorking, should be an easy hold
    I think its a hold on current boundaries anyway, not by miles but by several % points
    It will. Boundaries are changing but it is swings and roundabouts. The leafy stuff to the west is moving into Guildford (where I live), although they gain leafy stuff from elsewhere. Dorking itself is pretty LD. The Con stuff is in the countryside which is the stuff moving in and out.

    Are you local?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 4,917
    edited May 30
    ydoethur said:

    Not just in the court system that law enforcement is going to shit.

    Woman tracks down her own stolen car before a police investigation
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61592910

    This is exactly what I was getting at the other day and I still think its a direct result of taking bobbies off the beat. Not because bobbies on the beat causes a fall in crime however but because I think sitting in an office causes them to lose touch with what is really affecting people on the ground and be less willing to stir from their cosy central heated offices.

    So we get the result that burglaries and car theft is deprioritised but things they can deal with while staying in their office like twitter hate they are all over.

    Most I know won't even bother now contacting the police unless they need a crime number as it's a waste of time. Sooner or later however that is going to tip over from waste of time calling the police and into well the police wont protect us so we better protect ourselves territory
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 22,281
    Jeremy Wright's statement here - https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1531252861908267008?s=21&t=WVgYMr0-jrNw30ziLRGKqg

    Yes - another lawyer. A former Attorney-General.

    And, pace @YBarddCwsc's comment above, I am not praising their legal skills but their political decision which seems to be informed by their legal training.

    I make no apologies for this.

    The last paragraph in Jeremy Wright's statement ought to be required reading for every Tory MP.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    Tories lengthening in Tiverton & Honiton:

    LD 3/10
    Con 11/4
    100 bar
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 6,008

    Andy_JS said:

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    Does he lose outright or win narrowly in a way that proves untenable.
    Lose outright. By enough. There will be plenty saying to his face "Shocking turn of events, PM. Of course I'll support you!" - and then voting to get rid.
    Being betrayed by a bunch of liars is part of the necessary karma here.

    But you've nailed the substantive point. And whilst it would have been better to turf him out before 500 councillors rode into the valley of career death, or (better still) when the pressure built up in the Spring, or (even better) when the scandals came to light, or (best of all) never have let a known serial liar near Number Ten in the first place, ASAP will do nicely thank you.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006
    Scott_xP said:

    London MP Nickie Aiken calls on PM to submit himself to a VONC to "end speculation". She's told constituents that "events in Downing St during the pandemic has damaged the govt and Conservative Party".

    Her Westminster council was a big loss to Labour in local elex

    Email this afternoon to constituents said that she "was incredulous and appalled in equal measure reading Ms Gray’s report".

    Not clear whether she's submitted a letter to the '22


    https://twitter.com/TomLarkinSky/status/1531296944978534403

    Unknown in Meeks S/S

    He can't "submit himself to a VONC", they stopped that after Major did it. I suppose he could order the whole cabinet to send letters in, though

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    Tories lengthening in Wakefield:

    Lab 1/10
    Con 10/1
    100 bar
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 22,281
    Leon said:

    Are you really claiming that Bernard Hogan Howe (on the right) is in the autumn of his career?!

    He looks barely out of his teens

    He's 64. More importantly, he's not up to the job.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    Wednesday

    Scotland 11/8
    Ukraine 13/5

    If y'all hate Liverpool fans, wait til Scotland fans start singing "Yes Sir I Can Bucha" before kickoff
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    IshmaelZ said:

    OK, I'll go on the record. If there is a VONC - and I think there will be - I think Boris loses.

    Every Tory MP has to ask themselves this: at the general election, what can I say on the doorsteps to those who say they will not vote for a liar? I have knocked on many thousand doors in my time and been faced with many issues. But on this one, I have no answer. You can say he has done a good job on Covid (up to a point) and has done a good job for Ukraine (more valid - but then wouldn't any Tory PM have done the same?). But asking the voters to give a liar a second term? Nah, it is an argument you just cannot make on the doorstep.

    Once you as a Tory MP confront that central issue - you realise he is gone. And if he therefore has to go before the next election, then he might as well be gone now.

    If he wins by a tiny margin do you think he will go?
    what, Boris?

    I think you need a lie down. A skin of his teeth acquittal gives him 12 months under even less constraints than he is under now. you think, what, his innate sense of decency will prevent him taking advantage?
    I think you're right; I think that he will ignore it and carry on
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    Boris Johnson to not be Tory leader at next GE 1.91 (Lad)

    Boris Johnson to be Tory leader at next GE 2.04 (SBK)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,006
    Farooq said:

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    Wednesday

    Scotland 11/8
    Ukraine 13/5

    If y'all hate Liverpool fans, wait til Scotland fans start singing "Yes Sir I Can Bucha" before kickoff
    I hate myself and you, not in that order, because I laughed at that
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,617

    Leon said:

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
    I seem to remember some kids' show in the late 70s (something like Crackerjack) where they had a spoof Darth Vader character called Daft Apeth.
    Apeth of tar is an expression my wife occasionally uses. Northern I think.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    Farooq said:

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    Wednesday

    Scotland 11/8
    Ukraine 13/5

    If y'all hate Liverpool fans, wait til Scotland fans start singing "Yes Sir I Can Bucha" before kickoff
    Doesn't matter because they'll both lose to Wales
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 44,313

    Tories lengthening in Tiverton & Honiton:

    LD 3/10
    Con 11/4
    100 bar

    I wouldn't be betting on by-elections until much nearer the day. A VONC of Boris could change the mood dramatically. He could easily be gone by polling day. Even before postals go out....
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063
    edited May 30
    Cyclefree said:

    Jeremy Wright's statement here - https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1531252861908267008?s=21&t=WVgYMr0-jrNw30ziLRGKqg

    Yes - another lawyer. A former Attorney-General.

    And, pace @YBarddCwsc's comment above, I am not praising their legal skills but their political decision which seems to be informed by their legal training.

    I make no apologies for this.

    The last paragraph in Jeremy Wright's statement ought to be required reading for every Tory MP.

    He goes at length into whether Boris lied and concludes that he can't be sure that he did. It will be interesting to see how this corresponds to the Beckett Committee report.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 4,917

    Leon said:

    FPT, @Leon described someone an a "daft apeth".

    Whilst the proper northern is a massive contraction of half penny worth, I can't help thinking "Apeth" sounds like a Swedish doom metal band.

    Is it Northern? My mum is proper Cornish, so I dunno where she got it from


    She is the only person I have ever heard use the phrase. Apeth. Pronounced "ape-eth"

    Seems you are right:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/what-is-a-daft-apeth/
    I seem to remember some kids' show in the late 70s (something like Crackerjack) where they had a spoof Darth Vader character called Daft Apeth.
    Apeth of tar is an expression my wife occasionally uses. Northern I think.
    I always understood it to be a ha'porth of tar as in half pennies worth of tar and akin to the a stitch in time saying.....for want of a half pennies worth of tar the ship was lost sort of thing
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    edited May 30

    Tories lengthening in Tiverton & Honiton:

    LD 3/10
    Con 11/4
    100 bar

    I wouldn't be betting on by-elections until much nearer the day. A VONC of Boris could change the mood dramatically. He could easily be gone by polling day. Even before postals go out....
    In the situation envisaged by Marquee Mark and myself I think he might actually go out canvassing!
    After all, in his mind he'd be a winner!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    When’s Crossover?

    NOM 1.82
    Con Maj 3.85
    Lab Maj 4.6
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,073
    Applicant said:

    He goes at length into whether Boris lied and concludes that he can't be sure that he did. It will be interesting to see how this corresopnds to the Beckett Committee report.

    When he said there was no party that was not a lie.

    There were multiple parties...
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,375
    I notice a few Tory MPs with libdems snapping at their heals are calling for the PM to resign.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761

    Tories lengthening in Tiverton & Honiton:

    LD 3/10
    Con 11/4
    100 bar

    I wouldn't be betting on by-elections until much nearer the day. A VONC of Boris could change the mood dramatically. He could easily be gone by polling day. Even before postals go out....
    Con Civil War is unlikely to increase differential turnout in your favour.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    'Consensus is that the trickle of letters is becoming a steady stream'

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1531293325126512642

    It's the members wot did it
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