Israel is going to forcibly expel over 1000 Palestinians from Masafer Yatta, Southern Hebron. 8 villages are going to be demolished to make way for a military firing zone. It will be the largest single forced expulsion of Palestinians.
Israel has displaced at least 12,300 Palestinians since 2009. Forced displacement is illegal under international law.
How do we do things like compulsory purchase orders then? To force the displacement of people for a new road or a reservoir?
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
Now I feel old, I've never heard of Gatwa, though I'm in thirties not teens or twenties I suppose.
Good luck to him, I don't watch the show as I think its meh compared to modern sci/fi alternatives, but I see absolutely no reason why he can't portray a role which is literally regenerated into a different body every time.
The lore of the Doctor is that he's meant to look different every time, that's part of the storyline, so the fact he looks different this time is entirely in fitting with its lore. I doubt any Doctor Who fans are objecting whatsoever.
Then again, not seen a single person here object, even from the normal anti-woke people.
I'm a firm critic of the BBC normally, but absolutely nothing negative to say here, apart from that their sci/fi is nothing like modern sci/fi on other networks.
Agreed.. An incarnation of the Doctor could easily be black. It's not like making Ann Boleyn black.
A black AB is also fine, I am a convert since watching The Great, which has black courtiers in the Court of Catherine the Great. You think, the guy that is based on was probably not black, but then you think,
The Russian general and regular courtier of Peter the Great, Abram Gannibal, was born in what is now Cameroon. Pushkin (who was Abram Gannibal's descendant) wrote a book about him.
Almost as controversial, Lermontov of Scotch descent. I like to think this contributed to his taste for a rammy/duel.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
Be incredibly careful moving it - if it falls on someone.....
If you can get it onto a pallet truck to get it outside, safely.... Ask a proper builder - they usually have the knowledge and equipment to move tons of steel.
Some things need to be left to professionals.
Safes can be moved safely, but not realistically by amateurs, which is why the bank didn't need to bolt it to the floor (and if they had the bolts wouldn't do much). Anyone with the expertise to move it safely isn't likely to be trying to steal it - and anyone who both able to move it and looking to steal it would be able to get through bolts anyway.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
The Police are meant to apply the law without favour, so I am not sure that will pressure them either way. It might make them hesitate to rush in though.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
No fine for Starmer imo. And no resignation even if there is. The equivalence to Johnson won't stick imo. It helps Johnson but doesn't get him off. He faces an inquiry about his lying to parliament remember. That's bespoke.
Not that he'll be going either. The GE will be BJ v SKS, that still looks strong fav to me. But I've struck a long odds kind of hedge bet in the opposite direction. Next PM Wes Streeting at 140/1. There are routes to this outcome which no way amount to a price as big as that.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
Instinctively I'd think in terms of rocking it a little bit, insert wooden strip under one side, rocking back, wooden strip, and then insert prongs of forklift or hysdraulic lift trolley. Might be OK putting the forks under the top side. Or using strapping/chains to a lift trolley jib above. All depends on weight and loading. Plant hire or office removal blokes will know.
The worry I would have would be moving it to the outside. Would it go through the floor? And do you have steps?
Or take window out of frame, and bloke with forklift/hoist comes to front and removes through window?
I would hate to risk moving it any other way, especially manually, but others might have ideas.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
I trust RTD.
Whittaker could have been good but she was destined to fail with useless Chibnall at the helm
RTD is a Socialist too.
Dr Who will improve under his renewed tenure cant wait to see it
As long as he doesn't bring that painful twat Tennant back Start again with Eccleston
Have you not heard
Yes. I've heard the rumours. I'm hoping they are false
Officially announced by RTD yesterday
Should bring in a younger audience even if a few racist homophobes tune out
The reaction from fans and people overall has been positive.
The general feeling in fandom is that it is a positive move.
Whether it bring in a younger audience or any audience depends on a few things and not the imagined prejudices of fans.
Crazy how sensitive the Indyref2 polling is to the question: yes/no v remain/leave.
Really problematic for the SNP. And quite humbling for us EU Remain voters.
Not surprising.
The Electoral Commission forced the SNP to water down their first attempt at skewing the result: Do you agree that Scotland should be an Independent Country, but let them run a "Yes/No" question.
They learned their lesson for the EU referendum that "Yes/No" questions favour "Yes" while "Leave/Remain" are more neutral.
In the IndyRef discussions Salmond was very keen to talk down any thought of "Leaving" the UK - maintaining that keeping the "Union of Crowns" meant that Scotland "wasn't really leaving the UK."
After all, the UK is going to carry on paying Scottish pensions, isn't it? (no. - ed.)
Says the man that is an uncritical supporter of Mr Corbyn, the most hopeless and intellectually challenged leader of any major British political party in history
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
Mark Drakeford has said that Welsh Labour has begun "talks to remove centralised party control of Welsh members" a first step on the road to a divorce from the toxic London party under Sir Keir Starmer, David Evans and the Labour right.
A great move IMO
Time to move to Wales think i might try and find somewhere near my Mexican Comrade Pete
Alun Cairns will be too pleased to take your vote.
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery hard letfwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
If I'm hard leftwing, you must be putting Genghis Khan somewhere in the wet centre-right.
HY regards me as "left wing" too. Most of my friends and acquaintances would find this idea hilarious.
You aren't leftwing, you are liberal.
Carnyx however is a far left Scottish Nationalist
I'm not - but of course you are an expert on such things. you just don't realise how wrong you are from your perspective to the far right of Mr G. Khan. As a middle of the road disestablishmentarian home ruler I'd be a Gladstonian liberal.
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
I trust RTD.
Whittaker could have been good but she was destined to fail with useless Chibnall at the helm
RTD is a Socialist too.
Dr Who will improve under his renewed tenure cant wait to see it
As long as he doesn't bring that painful twat Tennant back Start again with Eccleston
Have you not heard
Yes. I've heard the rumours. I'm hoping they are false
Officially announced by RTD yesterday
Should bring in a younger audience even if a few racist homophobes tune out
I meant the rumours about tennant returning for the 60th
Chances are a number of former Doctors will return for the 60th because that is how Dr Who has always celebrated their anniversaries that way.
Yes, I hope to see all of them except Tennant
Really don’t get the disdain for Tennant, he was the high water mark for the reboot.
He was also by far and away the most popular of the new leads in the role.
RTD would be mad not to use him although whether Eccleston would return given all that went on during his run, well time is a healer.
No fine for Starmer imo. And no resignation even if there is. The equivalence to Johnson won't stick imo. It helps Johnson but doesn't get him off. He faces an inquiry about his lying to parliament remember. That's bespoke.
Not that he'll be going either. The GE will be BJ v SKS, that still looks strong fav to me. But I've struck a long odds kind of hedge bet in the opposite direction. Next PM Wes Streeting at 140/1. There are routes to this outcome which no way amount to a price as big as that.
If Starmer doesn't resign that 100% gets Johnson off.
Boris's "line to take" is that he meant it when he said there were no parties at the time but didn't realise that what had happened was against the rules and apologises and lessons have been learnt.
If Keir is fined but doesn't resign then what's he going to say? Will it be perhaps that he didn't realise that what had happened was against the rules and apologises and lessons have been learnt perhaps?
How can anyone still claim that Boris lied to Parliament if the Leader of the Opposition is himself saying that innocent mistakes were possible and we should move on? That's the end of it if he does that.
Starmer has screwed himself and stuffed up his attack on Boris all in one go.
1. Had assumed it was bolted as was so solid. Turns out just to weigh 3m tons 2. Its not on a pallet. Its sat on a sturdy wooden platform 3. I am NOT going to move it. Even if I got a team of sturdy blokes to lift it off the platform it would need transport out of the building (there is a ramp) to the scrapman 4. I am NOT going to hire a plasma cutter. I don't need to accidentally burn down the building or remove an arm 5. Two options to explore. Speak to machine removal company, and ring the local scrap merchants. Someone will have options. Have cash to pay for its removal.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
My father-in-law has some sort of hand operated forklift like thing which he's used to move around the multi-tonne lathes in his shed. You probably want something like that.
Vaguely similar to these things which are called moving skates.
Blimey. I've just read The Scotsman's take on the new Doctor Who.
Ncuti Gatwa to take over from Jodie Whittaker as new Doctor Who Scottish actor Ncuti Gatwa will take over from Jodie Whittaker as the Time Lord in Doctor Who, the BBC has announced.
The 29-year-old will become the 14th Doctor on the popular BBC show, after Whittaker announced last July she will be leaving the role.
The Scottish actor who starred as Eric Effiong in Netflix’s hugely popular Sex Education about socially awkward high school student Otis (Asa Butterfield) and his sex therapist mother Jean (Gillian Anderson).
The Rwandan-born Scot, who was educated in Fife and Edinburgh before attending the Royal Conservatoire in Glasgow, will become the 14th incarnation of the character.
1. Had assumed it was bolted as was so solid. Turns out just to weigh 3m tons 2. Its not on a pallet. Its sat on a sturdy wooden platform 3. I am NOT going to move it. Even if I got a team of sturdy blokes to lift it off the platform it would need transport out of the building (there is a ramp) to the scrapman 4. I am NOT going to hire a plasma cutter. I don't need to accidentally burn down the building or remove an arm 5. Two options to explore. Speak to machine removal company, and ring the local scrap merchants. Someone will have options. Have cash to pay for its removal.
Pallet truck or forklift, if you can get the forks in under it
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
My father-in-law has some sort of hand operated forklift like thing which he's used to move around the multi-tonne lathes in his shed. You probably want something like that.
Vaguely similar to these things which are called moving skates.
Good idea. Will ring my local handyman gardener/roofer/plasterer/farmer/haulier. Bet he could shift it. Has been able to do absolutely everything else so far
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
I trust RTD.
Whittaker could have been good but she was destined to fail with useless Chibnall at the helm
RTD is a Socialist too.
Dr Who will improve under his renewed tenure cant wait to see it
As long as he doesn't bring that painful twat Tennant back Start again with Eccleston
Have you not heard
Yes. I've heard the rumours. I'm hoping they are false
Officially announced by RTD yesterday
Should bring in a younger audience even if a few racist homophobes tune out
I meant the rumours about tennant returning for the 60th
Chances are a number of former Doctors will return for the 60th because that is how Dr Who has always celebrated their anniversaries that way.
Yes, I hope to see all of them except Tennant
Really don’t get the disdain for Tennant, he was the high water mark for the reboot.
He was also by far and away the most popular of the new leads in the role.
RTD would be mad not to use him although whether Eccleston would return given all that went on during his run, well time is a healer.
I loath him because (to me) he's everything repulsive about the luvvie culture in entertainment. That self indulgent shit he did with Sheen during lockdown said it all. Sheen is another painful luvvie
Mark Drakeford has said that Welsh Labour has begun "talks to remove centralised party control of Welsh members" a first step on the road to a divorce from the toxic London party under Sir Keir Starmer, David Evans and the Labour right.
A great move IMO
Time to move to Wales think i might try and find somewhere near my Mexican Comrade Pete
Alun Cairns will be too pleased to take your vote.
He will be out next time hopefully once Starmer goes
Mark has freed Wales from all Tory Councils next job MPs
Mmm ... Surely, this can be portrayed as putting undue pressure on Durham Constabulary to clear him.
His best course of action at the moment is to wait till Durham Plod have reported.
He obviously should figure out what he is going to do if he gets a FPN, but he doesn't have to tell the press now.
It doesn't place any pressure on them, they have to interpret the law. It places a lot of pressure on The Clown and his apologists, but he will no doubt try and ride it out however much it damages his party.
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
Now I feel old, I've never heard of Gatwa, though I'm in thirties not teens or twenties I suppose.
Good luck to him, I don't watch the show as I think its meh compared to modern sci/fi alternatives, but I see absolutely no reason why he can't portray a role which is literally regenerated into a different body every time.
The lore of the Doctor is that he's meant to look different every time, that's part of the storyline, so the fact he looks different this time is entirely in fitting with its lore. I doubt any Doctor Who fans are objecting whatsoever.
Then again, not seen a single person here object, even from the normal anti-woke people.
I'm a firm critic of the BBC normally, but absolutely nothing negative to say here, apart from that their sci/fi is nothing like modern sci/fi on other networks.
Agreed.. An incarnation of the Doctor could easily be black. It's not like making Ann Boleyn black.
A black AB is also fine, I am a convert since watching The Great, which has black courtiers in the Court of Catherine the Great. You think, the guy that is based on was probably not black, but then you think, Also, the guy that is based on probably didn't have a car and an iphone either while the actor probably does, and the white actors probably bear very little physical resemblance to their characters, and actually what distinction are we making here?
It depends on context. For example, in the film Unforgiven, no-one seems to notice that Morgan Freeman was black. No racism against a black bounty hunter killing white people in 1880 in Wyoming?
Plenty of cowboys were black, though. 18th century black aristocrats were unusual, certainly, but not unknown (Franco-Haitians, for example).
I once read, can't remember where, mind, that it was around 1 in 3 at the time of the classic Old West. Post Civil War, 19th Century. When you think about it, why wouldn't you? Edit. I see from Wiki it is estimated 1 in 4.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Or TINA applies.
A desperate throw of the dice to pressure them not to fine him, knowing that he has no realistic choice if he is fined.
To influence plod not to fine him? Can't see how that works. Its an absolute offence - he either broke the rules or he didn't. If the PCC/CC start messing around it only gets worse for everyone.
Its high-stakes poker now, and only Starmer knows what cards he is holding.
Mark Drakeford has said that Welsh Labour has begun "talks to remove centralised party control of Welsh members" a first step on the road to a divorce from the toxic London party under Sir Keir Starmer, David Evans and the Labour right.
A great move IMO
Time to move to Wales think i might try and find somewhere near my Mexican Comrade Pete
Alun Cairns will be too pleased to take your vote.
He will be out next time hopefully once Starmer goes
Mark has freed Wales from all Tory Councils next job MPs
I currently have the Tories holding just Preseli, Monmouth and Montgomery
I see that Clown Apologists are getting worried by Starmer resigning if he gets a FPN. They don't need to worry, their idol will stay where he is. He has no shame.
I'm not a fan of SKS myself but your posts on the subject are getting a bit boring.
I think they are hilarious in their lack of self awareness. He is a fawning Corbyn fan; an unquestioning follower of the most hopeless and implausible leader ever to lead any major British political party. Keep them coming they make me laugh.
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
I trust RTD.
Whittaker could have been good but she was destined to fail with useless Chibnall at the helm
RTD is a Socialist too.
Dr Who will improve under his renewed tenure cant wait to see it
As long as he doesn't bring that painful twat Tennant back Start again with Eccleston
Have you not heard
Yes. I've heard the rumours. I'm hoping they are false
Officially announced by RTD yesterday
Should bring in a younger audience even if a few racist homophobes tune out
I meant the rumours about tennant returning for the 60th
Chances are a number of former Doctors will return for the 60th because that is how Dr Who has always celebrated their anniversaries that way.
Yes, I hope to see all of them except Tennant
Really don’t get the disdain for Tennant, he was the high water mark for the reboot.
He was also by far and away the most popular of the new leads in the role.
RTD would be mad not to use him although whether Eccleston would return given all that went on during his run, well time is a healer.
I loath him because (to me) he's everything repulsive about the luvvie culture in entertainment. That self indulgent shit he did with Sheen during lockdown said it all. Sheen is another painful luvvie
Actors tend to be luvvies because grandstanding and emoting is part of the job, they all have to join a union to get work, and that work is largely dependent on public funding, they tend to live in urban areas and they inhabit a world of make-believe.
The bigger question is why they expect their pronouncements on politics to be taken seriously.
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
And, as with accountants etc, estate agents have a professional qualification, although it's not mandatory.
Yes, but HYUFD definitely thinks posh universities are better anyway, so I trust that Sandhurst or HMS Britannia would qualify.
Sandhurst is not a university, just many public schoolboys of average intelligence who would have gone straight there 50 years ago now do a degree at the likes of Oxford Brookes or West of England first
Sandhurst, Dartmouth and the like are specialist FE colleges, set up because the English, unlike other Western European countries traditionally had very few universities. Colleges of Law are similar.
And, apart from being able, misleadingly, to claim one was at Oxford, would one attend Oxford Brookes? What is the benefit of attending West of England Uni?
I see that Clown Apologists are getting worried by Starmer resigning if he gets a FPN. They don't need to worry, their idol will stay where he is. He has no shame.
Are there any "Clown Apologists" on this site worried about that?
The only people I can see claiming Starmer resigning would be bad for the PM is a few left-wingers like CHB.
Everyone else seems to agree that Boris would shamelessly say "I'm getting on with the job" and refuse to resign.
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
Whittaker was really mediocre casting. She’s not an especially good actor or a charismatic presence. She was somewhat bland, but then so were most of her companions. She’s easily acted off the screen by Sacha Dhawan as the master.
At the time I said on forums if they are going for a female doctor then someone like Michaela Coel (who was certainly in the mix) would have been a far better choice.
My Euro-whovians loved Jodie Whittaker in Broadchurch but could barely understand a word she said on Who because she'd been directed to gabble her lines like a seven-year-old girl who has been promised a pony. Surrounding their so-called star with a netball team's worth of companions demonstrated the producers' lack of faith in the project.
Mmm ... Surely, this can be portrayed as putting undue pressure on Durham Constabulary to clear him.
His best course of action at the moment is to wait till Durham Plod have reported.
He obviously should figure out what he is going to do if he gets a FPN, but he doesn't have to tell the press now.
I don't agree it does influence the police. Starmer must say if he is found guilty he will resign- personally I believe he should have gone on the news of the investigation, as he demanded of Johnson.
I see that Clown Apologists are getting worried by Starmer resigning if he gets a FPN. They don't need to worry, their idol will stay where he is. He has no shame.
Are there any "Clown Apologists" on this site worried about that?
The only people I can see claiming Starmer resigning would be bad for the PM is a few left-wingers like CHB.
Everyone else seems to agree that Boris would shamelessly say "I'm getting on with the job" and refuse to resign.
You are a semi-reformed apologist. I think deep down you would like him to remain in perpetuity. PM for life for services to Brexit.
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
Whittaker was really mediocre casting. She’s not an especially good actor or a charismatic presence. She was somewhat bland, but then so were most of her companions. She’s easily acted off the screen by Sacha Dhawan as the master.
At the time I said on forums if they are going for a female doctor then someone like Michaela Coel (who was certainly in the mix) would have been a far better choice.
My Euro-whovians loved Jodie Whittaker in Broadchurch but could barely understand a word she said on Who because she'd been directed to gabble her lines like a seven-year-old girl who has been promised a pony. Surrounding their so-called star with a netball team's worth of companions demonstrated the producers' lack of faith in the project.
A good companion is as important as a great Doctor for me. And that means one.
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Durham Police have said they dont issue FPNs retrospectively.
If they say he broke the rules but we do not issue FPNs retrospectively
Then what?
A likely outcome. Cop cop out - 'it is likely the gathering breached the law but we are not in a position to issue retrospective fines as we do not do that as a matter of policy'
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
My father-in-law has some sort of hand operated forklift like thing which he's used to move around the multi-tonne lathes in his shed. You probably want something like that.
Vaguely similar to these things which are called moving skates.
Good idea. Will ring my local handyman gardener/roofer/plasterer/farmer/haulier. Bet he could shift it. Has been able to do absolutely everything else so far
Is that just a timber frame it's sitting on?
If so forklift in the hole in the frame, raise as high as it will go, run a chainsaw round the frame (paying due attention to screws n nails n shit), and job done. It wasn't on a pallet before, it is now.
I see that Clown Apologists are getting worried by Starmer resigning if he gets a FPN. They don't need to worry, their idol will stay where he is. He has no shame.
Are there any "Clown Apologists" on this site worried about that?
The only people I can see claiming Starmer resigning would be bad for the PM is a few left-wingers like CHB.
Everyone else seems to agree that Boris would shamelessly say "I'm getting on with the job" and refuse to resign.
If Johnson can hang on until Putin is defeated, he gets his Falklands Factor too. That has got to be worth his while hanging on in.
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Or TINA applies.
A desperate throw of the dice to pressure them not to fine him, knowing that he has no realistic choice if he is fined.
To influence plod not to fine him? Can't see how that works. Its an absolute offence - he either broke the rules or he didn't. If the PCC/CC start messing around it only gets worse for everyone.
Its high-stakes poker now, and only Starmer knows what cards he is holding.
All you need for an FPN is for them to believe an event has been committed, it's not the same bar as a conviction in court. You can imagine them being either consciously or subconsciously impacted by what they think would happen if they did/did not issue one.
I see that Clown Apologists are getting worried by Starmer resigning if he gets a FPN. They don't need to worry, their idol will stay where he is. He has no shame.
Are there any "Clown Apologists" on this site worried about that?
The only people I can see claiming Starmer resigning would be bad for the PM is a few left-wingers like CHB.
Everyone else seems to agree that Boris would shamelessly say "I'm getting on with the job" and refuse to resign.
You are a semi-reformed apologist. I think deep down you would like him to remain in perpetuity. PM for life for services to Brexit.
No one (and even no party) should remain in power for perpetuity. It isn't healthy.
I've said for quite a while he should go now. Thanks for what he's done, but he's served his purpose and now he should go.
Just like Doctor Who, regeneration is the only way to remain healthy and relevant.
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
Whittaker was really mediocre casting. She’s not an especially good actor or a charismatic presence. She was somewhat bland, but then so were most of her companions. She’s easily acted off the screen by Sacha Dhawan as the master.
At the time I said on forums if they are going for a female doctor then someone like Michaela Coel (who was certainly in the mix) would have been a far better choice.
My Euro-whovians loved Jodie Whittaker in Broadchurch but could barely understand a word she said on Who because she'd been directed to gabble her lines like a seven-year-old girl who has been promised a pony. Surrounding their so-called star with a netball team's worth of companions demonstrated the producers' lack of faith in the project.
A good companion is as important as a great Doctor for me. And that means one.
Yes but with less of the new era '1000 plus year old man (and woman) absconds with attractive young woman and sexual tension ensues'
✍️ "The casting of Gatwa, who is hugely popular with teens and twentysomethings, suggests the BBC has now given up trying to please these older viewers and is focusing fairly and squarely on younger audiences." | Writes Michael Hogan
The BBC is not appealing to young viewers, they are all going to Netflix.
BBC hires an actor to appeal to young viewers.
No not like that!
I concur great casting
Jodie Whittaker was great casting. It was the writing and production that ballsed things up. I'm waiting to see what the new chap does.
I trust RTD.
Whittaker could have been good but she was destined to fail with useless Chibnall at the helm
RTD is a Socialist too.
Dr Who will improve under his renewed tenure cant wait to see it
As long as he doesn't bring that painful twat Tennant back Start again with Eccleston
Have you not heard
Yes. I've heard the rumours. I'm hoping they are false
Officially announced by RTD yesterday
Should bring in a younger audience even if a few racist homophobes tune out
I meant the rumours about tennant returning for the 60th
Chances are a number of former Doctors will return for the 60th because that is how Dr Who has always celebrated their anniversaries that way.
Yes, I hope to see all of them except Tennant
Really don’t get the disdain for Tennant, he was the high water mark for the reboot.
He was also by far and away the most popular of the new leads in the role.
RTD would be mad not to use him although whether Eccleston would return given all that went on during his run, well time is a healer.
I loath him because (to me) he's everything repulsive about the luvvie culture in entertainment. That self indulgent shit he did with Sheen during lockdown said it all. Sheen is another painful luvvie
Actors tend to be luvvies because grandstanding and emoting is part of the job, they all have to join a union to get work, and that work is largely dependent on public funding, they tend to live in urban areas and they inhabit a world of make-believe.
The bigger question is why they expect their pronouncements on politics to be taken seriously.
They're always being asked questions and given attention, so natural to think that this will extend to their opinion on other topics.
Doctor Who's problem right now is that Chibnall utterly buggered the lore with his bizarre and idiotic retcon. Until/unless they fix that then quite a lot of the long term viewers will be giving the show a miss regardless of who's got the role.
Am going to doxx myself here to show the picture I just tweeted. The final bit of bank that I need to remove from my office space is the old night safe. We had removed its attachment to the window (where the hatch used to be) but it was still absolutely solid.
I had assumed it was bolted to the floor. But having hacked my way into the plinth it is mounted on its clear that it is held in place only by its own weight.
I can rock it, so a few strong bodies could likely move it a little. But I think it weighs an awful lot (being made out of chunks of steel). so how exactly do I remove it? I think I need machinery to lift it off, but what?
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
Until they're leader, you don't know how someone's potential leadership will evolve.
Starmer was himself willing to serve under Corbyn's leadership and put Corbyn into Downing Street if he won, until Corbyn had served his purpose and it was more politic to throw him under a bus.
Someone in Starmer's cabinet could do the same to the centre, as Starmer did to the left.
Until they're in office, you don't know for certain how people will act as leader.
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
And, as with accountants etc, estate agents have a professional qualification, although it's not mandatory.
Yes, but HYUFD definitely thinks posh universities are better anyway, so I trust that Sandhurst or HMS Britannia would qualify.
Sandhurst is not a university, just many public schoolboys of average intelligence who would have gone straight there 50 years ago now do a degree at the likes of Oxford Brookes or West of England first
Sandhurst, Dartmouth and the like are specialist FE colleges, set up because the English, unlike other Western European countries traditionally had very few universities. Colleges of Law are similar.
And, apart from being able, misleadingly, to claim one was at Oxford, would one attend Oxford Brookes? What is the benefit of attending West of England Uni?
HY's post there is a fascinating study on the multi-dimensional aspects to the psychology of small minded snobbery.
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
Until they're leader, you don't know how someone's potential leadership will evolve.
Starmer was himself willing to serve under Corbyn's leadership and put Corbyn into Downing Street if he won, until Corbyn had served his purpose and it was more politic to throw him under a bus.
Someone in Starmer's cabinet could do the same to the centre, as Starmer did to the left.
Until they're in office, you don't know for certain how people will act as leader.
Bart, Wes Streeting, Rachel Reeves aren't going to go the left. You're showing some ignorance of their politics here.
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
There weren't enough in 2015 either, and yet that didn't stop them.
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
There weren't enough in 2015 either, and yet that didn't stop them.
It's not going to happen. The bar is even higher than then and Corbyn only got on for a debate, those MPs that got him over the line will not do so again.
It is not going to happen, Starmer's successor will be more centrist. I would bet on it.
Doctor Who's problem right now is that Chibnall utterly buggered the lore with his bizarre and idiotic retcon. Until/unless they fix that then quite a lot of the long term viewers will be giving the show a miss regardless of who's got the role.
They don't need to fix it. They can just ignore it. Tell some simpler stories of the "Doctor meets some people - everyone ends up in mortal peril at hands of aliens - Doctor saves the day with a clever trick" style and never have the Doctor wield a weapon again.
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Durham Police have said they dont issue FPNs retrospectively.
If they say he broke the rules but we do not issue FPNs retrospectively
Then what?
Surely ALL FPNs are issued retrospectively, or do Durham Police have a soothsayer, their very own Rogerdamus, who can predict that you will soon commit a modest crime, and they fine you beforehand?
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
And, as with accountants etc, estate agents have a professional qualification, although it's not mandatory.
Yes, but HYUFD definitely thinks posh universities are better anyway, so I trust that Sandhurst or HMS Britannia would qualify.
Sandhurst is not a university, just many public schoolboys of average intelligence who would have gone straight there 50 years ago now do a degree at the likes of Oxford Brookes or West of England first
Sandhurst, Dartmouth and the like are specialist FE colleges, set up because the English, unlike other Western European countries traditionally had very few universities. Colleges of Law are similar.
And, apart from being able, misleadingly, to claim one was at Oxford, would one attend Oxford Brookes? What is the benefit of attending West of England Uni?
Yes but FE colleges are precisely that they were not set up as universities.
Oxford Brookes and other new university ex polytechnics take a high percentage of private school pupils who would not have gone to university before the expansion of university status to the polytechnics in the 1990s
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Durham Police have said they dont issue FPNs retrospectively.
If they say he broke the rules but we do not issue FPNs retrospectively
Then what?
Surely ALL FPNs are issued retrospectively, or do Durham Police have a soothsayer, their very own Rogerdamus, who can predict that you will soon commit a modest crime, and they fine you beforehand?
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
Until they're leader, you don't know how someone's potential leadership will evolve.
Starmer was himself willing to serve under Corbyn's leadership and put Corbyn into Downing Street if he won, until Corbyn had served his purpose and it was more politic to throw him under a bus.
Someone in Starmer's cabinet could do the same to the centre, as Starmer did to the left.
Until they're in office, you don't know for certain how people will act as leader.
Bart, Wes Streeting, Rachel Reeves aren't going to go the left. You're showing some ignorance of their politics here.
Probably not, no, and Reeves and Streeting unlike Starmer weren't in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. But you don't know for certain it will be one of those two.
It could theoretically be Angela Rayner herself who gets the top job, who seems to have more sympathies with the left.
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
And, as with accountants etc, estate agents have a professional qualification, although it's not mandatory.
Yes, but HYUFD definitely thinks posh universities are better anyway, so I trust that Sandhurst or HMS Britannia would qualify.
Sandhurst is not a university, just many public schoolboys of average intelligence who would have gone straight there 50 years ago now do a degree at the likes of Oxford Brookes or West of England first
Sandhurst, Dartmouth and the like are specialist FE colleges, set up because the English, unlike other Western European countries traditionally had very few universities. Colleges of Law are similar.
And, apart from being able, misleadingly, to claim one was at Oxford, would one attend Oxford Brookes? What is the benefit of attending West of England Uni?
Yes but FE colleges are precisely that they were not set up as universities.
Oxford Brookes and West of England are new university ex polytechnics which take a high percentage of private school pupils who would not have gone to university before the expansion of university status to the polytechnics in the 1990s
The subtle nuances of your pronouncements clearly show you must have gone to one the world's greatest institutions? Or not perhaps?
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
Plenty of Officer Cadets at Dartmouth go there after graduation from university. I reckon it was over 50% in my class.
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
Plenty of Officer Cadets at Dartmouth go there after graduation from university. I reckon it was over 50% in my class.
I believe Sandhurst is similar. I don't know whether the "short service commission" is still a thing?
Mr. Password, while I respect that view, I don't share it.
They buggered up the lore. Fixing it is incredibly easy, just needs a line about a known liar trying to persuade the Doctor he was really a billion years old and had just forgotten 99% of his life. "As if I'd believe such nonsense."
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
Until they're leader, you don't know how someone's potential leadership will evolve.
Starmer was himself willing to serve under Corbyn's leadership and put Corbyn into Downing Street if he won, until Corbyn had served his purpose and it was more politic to throw him under a bus.
Someone in Starmer's cabinet could do the same to the centre, as Starmer did to the left.
Until they're in office, you don't know for certain how people will act as leader.
Bart, Wes Streeting, Rachel Reeves aren't going to go the left. You're showing some ignorance of their politics here.
Probably not, no, and Reeves and Streeting unlike Starmer weren't in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. But you don't know for certain it will be one of those two.
It could theoretically be Angela Rayner herself who gets the top job, who seems to have more sympathies with the left.
It will not be Angela Rayner. MPs won't nominate her
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
And, as with accountants etc, estate agents have a professional qualification, although it's not mandatory.
Yes, but HYUFD definitely thinks posh universities are better anyway, so I trust that Sandhurst or HMS Britannia would qualify.
Sandhurst is not a university, just many public schoolboys of average intelligence who would have gone straight there 50 years ago now do a degree at the likes of Oxford Brookes or West of England first
Sandhurst, Dartmouth and the like are specialist FE colleges, set up because the English, unlike other Western European countries traditionally had very few universities. Colleges of Law are similar.
And, apart from being able, misleadingly, to claim one was at Oxford, would one attend Oxford Brookes? What is the benefit of attending West of England Uni?
Couldn't possibly comment on the 'claim to have been up at Oxford/Bristol', but of course (!) some of the courses would have been pretty good anyway by the nature of such things (e.g. Loughborough for sport). But there is also a general rational point: the social amenities of a big city, and also (perhaps) being able to join wider student societies not confined to the members of one uni. Some folk might well prefer to go to uni in Bristol than, say, Dorchester for that reason.
Edit: also access to an Officer Training Corps, or whatever they are called. That would certainlfy be one reason for going to Oxford or Bristol, from what I recall of the TAVR HQ opposite BBC Bristol years ago.
BoZo losing support among people who think for a living...
It certainly explains why Tories are so keen to keep the masses out of Universities. A thick population is a Tory one and don't you see it.
Perhaps it would be better if we learned skills and had industry rather than pointless knowledge about arse. And I speak as a philosophy graduate. It's a ridiculous view that non university = thick.
The whole point of university is to expand knowledge and academic research. Until 30 years ago that is why no more than 10% went to university.
Now 30 to 40% of young people are graduates, including most nurses, when previously many of them would have gone straight to work at 18 or even 16 or done professional qualifications for banking, accountancy etc rather than a degree first.
That's odd. You've been explaining to us for months that the whole point of university is to go there so one can have a convenient label saying one is posh and get jobs from fellow posh people, slightly or somewhat older than you. And have a posh doctor and a posh dentist.
Of course you then have to restrict access to university to keep the nice stuff for yourself and your children. Hence private schools, university fees, banging up the interest on the student loan scheme, C of E schools at other people's expense on the rates, etc.
No, you in your usual bitter, inverse snobbery filled, hard leftwing rants have rejected the idea of an academic elite at top universities.
Most Oxford and Cambridge students went to state schools now but they are still the academic elite as they have always been.
It is nothing to do with being posh, there used to be plenty of posh army officers or Savills estate agents who never went to university. Just now many of them to go to posher new universities like Oxford Brookes or the University of the West of England
Army officers, posh or not, 'qualified' from Sandhurst, rather than a conventional university. Just as RN officers 'graduated' from Dartmouth.
Plenty of Officer Cadets at Dartmouth go there after graduation from university. I reckon it was over 50% in my class.
Indeed but probably less than 25% would have done 50 years ago
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Durham Police have said they dont issue FPNs retrospectively.
If they say he broke the rules but we do not issue FPNs retrospectively
Then what?
Surely ALL FPNs are issued retrospectively, or do Durham Police have a soothsayer, their very own Rogerdamus, who can predict that you will soon commit a modest crime, and they fine you beforehand?
It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
If his close allies are urging that then they've calculated a FPN is very unlikely.
Or TINA applies.
A desperate throw of the dice to pressure them not to fine him, knowing that he has no realistic choice if he is fined.
To influence plod not to fine him? Can't see how that works. Its an absolute offence - he either broke the rules or he didn't. If the PCC/CC start messing around it only gets worse for everyone.
Its high-stakes poker now, and only Starmer knows what cards he is holding.
All you need for an FPN is for them to believe an event has been committed, it's not the same bar as a conviction in court. You can imagine them being either consciously or subconsciously impacted by what they think would happen if they did/did not issue one.
The one thing I find sad about all this (and it has been going on for years) is political parties calling the police about something their opponent has done. They all do it. I have seen it at many elections. The police must sigh each time it happens. They really don't want to get involved and when it does happen for real it is treated as a case of crying wolf (which also isn't good).
The best one I came across was the Tories accusing a LD deliverer of stealing a pair of trainers from a house during the Winchester by election. It was gently pointed out that it seemed unlikely that the headmaster of the local school was going to do that.
To be honest it does seem to indicate this has been brought up by Labour lefties not the Tories.
I can't see what is in it for the Tories to give this so much attention, because it only ends badly for them unless by some miracle Starmer stays and is fined - I can't believe he will
I agree that I expect this has come from disaffected Labour lefties, but thinking neutrally and cynically, I expect Boris and the Tories must be loving this and can't believe their luck.
This has turned the story from "look what the nasty Tories have been doing" to a "they're all as bad as each other" story. That will take some of the poison out of the story for the Tories.
Furthermore Tories are quite deliberately not attacking Starmer in public, no doubt as they know it can be turned against them, which was the mistake that Starmer made. By making the attacks on Boris himself rather than leaving it to his attack dogs, his own words are now used against him and probably fatal to his leadership. The Tories are staying out of the fray and leaving it to the Labour left and attack dogs to take on Starmer.
If Starmer falls over this, I expect Boris will simply say that he's "getting on with the job" and the public will just get fed up with this story thinking they're all as bad as each other and move on.
At the next election it will be the Cost of Living, pay rates, standard of living and other related issues that determine the election not beer, curries or parties.
Hey Bart, hope you are keeping well.
If Starmer falls, the Tories will be up against a more charismatic leader with all of the Corbyn problems already resolved, with the economy in the toilet. This can only be a good thing for Labour.
"There was no work being done. There just wasn’t. The Zoom events had finished … If the curry was on time during the Zoom call it wouldn’t have been a breach [of the lockdown rules]. But it was late and work had finished. It wasn’t work and there was no work afterwards that I’m aware of."
I am going to make a bet this is from a Labour person - if they are right then fair enough Starmer should go but it just seems a bit, coincidental that this appears and suddenly Dianne Abbott and Corbyn pop up
Its hard to imagine a future Labour leader being less charismatic than Starmer, sure, I agree with that - but there's no guarantee that they'll be more charismatic or that the Corbyn problems are all resolved.
Indeed if Corbynistas are behind this and manage to pull Starmer down, that could aggravate Labour's issues by scoring a hit for the continuity Corbynites.
Really its a case of rolling the dice and there's no guarantee at all as to what happens.
So two issues.
Corbynites have no way to get any candidate onto the ballot.
Most of the Corbynites already left.
Labour is going one way, to the centre.
I hope you're right, and I hope you're keeping well, but there's no guarantees once the ball is thrown in the air who will catch it - or what they will do with it.
If Starmer is forced to resign, due to pressure from Corbynistas, they won't leave it there. It will then become a story that Starmer had to resign "in disgrace" and there'll be pressure from the left to "unite the party" and to distance from the "disgraced" Starmer.
Who knows what will happen. Some people claimed that Labour was so far entrenched in love with Corbyn in 2019 that a Corbynite had to follow. Now people think Labour is so detoxxed from Corbyn that there's no chance. Neither time was that accurate, the reality is murky. We can't tell what will happen next, could be better, could be worse.
Bart I am member of the Labour Party.
There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
Until they're leader, you don't know how someone's potential leadership will evolve.
Starmer was himself willing to serve under Corbyn's leadership and put Corbyn into Downing Street if he won, until Corbyn had served his purpose and it was more politic to throw him under a bus.
Someone in Starmer's cabinet could do the same to the centre, as Starmer did to the left.
Until they're in office, you don't know for certain how people will act as leader.
Bart, Wes Streeting, Rachel Reeves aren't going to go the left. You're showing some ignorance of their politics here.
Probably not, no, and Reeves and Streeting unlike Starmer weren't in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. But you don't know for certain it will be one of those two.
It could theoretically be Angela Rayner herself who gets the top job, who seems to have more sympathies with the left.
It will not be Angela Rayner. MPs won't nominate her
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It is also a clever way of putting pressure on Durham police NOT to fine him, of course
Safes can be moved safely, but not realistically by amateurs, which is why the bank didn't need to bolt it to the floor (and if they had the bolts wouldn't do much). Anyone with the expertise to move it safely isn't likely to be trying to steal it - and anyone who both able to move it and looking to steal it would be able to get through bolts anyway.
Hire a plasma cutter (HSS do them) and cut it up into lumps.
Not that he'll be going either. The GE will be BJ v SKS, that still looks strong fav to me. But I've struck a long odds kind of hedge bet in the opposite direction. Next PM Wes Streeting at 140/1. There are routes to this outcome which no way amount to a price as big as that.
The worry I would have would be moving it to the outside. Would it go through the floor? And do you have steps?
Or take window out of frame, and bloke with forklift/hoist comes to front and removes through window?
I would hate to risk moving it any other way, especially manually, but others might have ideas.
The Centrist just cant compute SKS might just be a bit shite.
https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1523376138466521089/photo/1
The general feeling in fandom is that it is a positive move.
Whether it bring in a younger audience or any audience depends on a few things and not the imagined prejudices of fans.
The Electoral Commission forced the SNP to water down their first attempt at skewing the result: Do you agree that Scotland should be an Independent Country, but let them run a "Yes/No" question.
They learned their lesson for the EU referendum that "Yes/No" questions favour "Yes" while "Leave/Remain" are more neutral.
In the IndyRef discussions Salmond was very keen to talk down any thought of "Leaving" the UK - maintaining that keeping the "Union of Crowns" meant that Scotland "wasn't really leaving the UK."
After all, the UK is going to carry on paying Scottish pensions, isn't it? (no. - ed.)
He was also by far and away the most popular of the new leads in the role.
RTD would be mad not to use him although whether Eccleston would return given all that went on during his run, well time is a healer.
Boris's "line to take" is that he meant it when he said there were no parties at the time but didn't realise that what had happened was against the rules and apologises and lessons have been learnt.
If Keir is fined but doesn't resign then what's he going to say? Will it be perhaps that he didn't realise that what had happened was against the rules and apologises and lessons have been learnt perhaps?
How can anyone still claim that Boris lied to Parliament if the Leader of the Opposition is himself saying that innocent mistakes were possible and we should move on? That's the end of it if he does that.
Starmer has screwed himself and stuffed up his attack on Boris all in one go.
1. Had assumed it was bolted as was so solid. Turns out just to weigh 3m tons
2. Its not on a pallet. Its sat on a sturdy wooden platform
3. I am NOT going to move it. Even if I got a team of sturdy blokes to lift it off the platform it would need transport out of the building (there is a ramp) to the scrapman
4. I am NOT going to hire a plasma cutter. I don't need to accidentally burn down the building or remove an arm
5. Two options to explore. Speak to machine removal company, and ring the local scrap merchants. Someone will have options. Have cash to pay for its removal.
His best course of action at the moment is to wait till Durham Plod have reported.
He obviously should figure out what he is going to do if he gets a FPN, but he doesn't have to tell the press now.
My father-in-law has some sort of hand operated forklift like thing which he's used to move around the multi-tonne lathes in his shed. You probably want something like that.
Vaguely similar to these things which are called moving skates.
https://www.liftingequipmentstore.com/categories/material-handling---lifting-jacks/machine-skates---load-moving-skates/economy-load-moving-skates
Mark has freed Wales from all Tory Councils next job MPs
A desperate throw of the dice to pressure them not to fine him, knowing that he has no realistic choice if he is fined.
When you think about it, why wouldn't you?
Edit. I see from Wiki it is estimated 1 in 4.
Option 2 is to get some sections of solid steel pipe to use as rollers. You’ll need to buy beer for a couple of friends to help tilt and push.
Option 3 is to buy or rent one or many heavy duty dollies designed for the purpose.
https://www.amazon.com/safe-moving-dolly/s?k=safe+moving+dolly
Not many nuts you can't crack with that. Keep the blade cool and the air filter clean.
I used something similar to cut up a 10,000L diesel tank on my grandfather's farm. (Cross border fuel revenue fraud being one of the family trades.)
Its high-stakes poker now, and only Starmer knows what cards he is holding.
If they say he broke the rules but we do not issue FPNs retrospectively
Then what?
A transgression has to precede the punishment, after all... that's how time works.
The bigger question is why they expect their pronouncements on politics to be taken seriously.
And, apart from being able, misleadingly, to claim one was at Oxford, would one attend Oxford Brookes? What is the benefit of attending West of England Uni?
The only people I can see claiming Starmer resigning would be bad for the PM is a few left-wingers like CHB.
Everyone else seems to agree that Boris would shamelessly say "I'm getting on with the job" and refuse to resign.
Johnson is under no obligation to do the same.
And that means one.
If so forklift in the hole in the frame, raise as high as it will go, run a chainsaw round the frame (paying due attention to screws n nails n shit), and job done. It wasn't on a pallet before, it is now.
Proper prior preparation prevents…
I've said for quite a while he should go now. Thanks for what he's done, but he's served his purpose and now he should go.
Just like Doctor Who, regeneration is the only way to remain healthy and relevant.
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There is no way a leftie can get onto the ballot, there aren't enough MPs to nominate someone!
Starmer was himself willing to serve under Corbyn's leadership and put Corbyn into Downing Street if he won, until Corbyn had served his purpose and it was more politic to throw him under a bus.
Someone in Starmer's cabinet could do the same to the centre, as Starmer did to the left.
Until they're in office, you don't know for certain how people will act as leader.
Looks like a polar airflow with heavy showers and blue sky in between.
If they can't fly in that, then they aren't up to much! You could time the flypast in one of the clear slots if you really wanted to.
It is not going to happen, Starmer's successor will be more centrist. I would bet on it.
Oxford Brookes and other new university ex polytechnics take a high percentage of private school pupils who would not have gone to university before the expansion of university status to the polytechnics in the 1990s
It could theoretically be Angela Rayner herself who gets the top job, who seems to have more sympathies with the left.
They buggered up the lore. Fixing it is incredibly easy, just needs a line about a known liar trying to persuade the Doctor he was really a billion years old and had just forgotten 99% of his life. "As if I'd believe such nonsense."
Edit: also access to an Officer Training Corps, or whatever they are called. That would certainlfy be one reason for going to Oxford or Bristol, from what I recall of the TAVR HQ opposite BBC Bristol years ago.
PB Tories still being very quiet on this, anyone want to respond?
Fair point.
He's aged 20 years in 5
https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1523599626468675584?s=20&t=hgRHpm5KAkaoCDU4BTRiew
The best one I came across was the Tories accusing a LD deliverer of stealing a pair of trainers from a house during the Winchester by election. It was gently pointed out that it seemed unlikely that the headmaster of the local school was going to do that.