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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,340

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    Contract was presumably signed under English law.

    Qatar Airlines recieved pretty much all the initial A350 deliveries, and I suspect that Airbus rushed them out the door to avoid late penalties (and to prove they were shipping the A350). What I'm surprised about is that this hasn't been settled - as most aviation disputes are - quietly out of court.
    I read somewhere 50% of international divorces are held in the UK.
    Another sign of Boris's personal recommendation paying off for global Britain?
    I think its more to do with how many foreigners own a property in the UK and that courts appear to provide good settlements to the divorcee / there is a belief that the courts are independent.
    I was, very feebly, joking, referring to the PM's own experience of our divorce courts.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Ratters said:

    The incredible thing is that the Tories have fallen 10% behind Labour before the cost of living starts going up meaningfully. The known changes we have to come:

    - National Insurance tax hike in April
    - Further gas/electricity bill increases once the price cap is lifted, also in April
    - Broadband and phone bills going up by close to 4% above CPI (so almost 10%) from March
    - Interest rates expcted to increase from close to zero to around 1% by the end of the year

    The worst thing is there is nothing the government can really do about this. If wages keep up with prices then inflation becomes ingrained and rates will have to go higher still. It is the same story in the US.

    Any competent government would struggle politically with all that. This one will have a really hard time having blown all its political goodwill on a few nights out.

    I don't think the Labour lead has peaked.

    Worse than that.
    They are fundamentally ideologically divided as to any response.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,925

    a) Much as I like Leon; Coherent?

    b) I like Malcolm

    a) Probably not currently coherent. It’s 2.30am in Sri Lanka.

    b) AFAIK Malcolm is an Alba supporter.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    TimT said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BBC News - Covid vaccinations: Anti-vaxers use 'crime number' to try to halt jabs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60083474

    Looks like Meat Loaf could be the most famous anti-vaxxer yet to be felled by COVID - Though not confirmed yet:

    "Meat Loaf died on the evening of January 20, 2022, at the age of 74. No cause of death has been officially announced, but the singer's manager, Michael Greene, confirmed that he was supposed to attend a business dinner earlier that week, but the dinner was cancelled because he was seriously ill with COVID-19. He was surrounded by his wife, Deborah, daughters Pearl and Amanda, and close friends. The singer had been outspoken about COVID, specifically railing against vaccine mandates in Australia and it is unknown if he was vaccinated."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_Loaf#Death
    It is possible to rail against vaccine mandates and still be vaccinated oneself (voluntarily). Personally, I am very pro-vaccine, rushed to get each of my three shots at the earliest possible moment, and do everything I can to persuade those around me to get vaccinated. And yet lie somewhere between ambivalent and against mandatory vaccinations (except within patient-facing healthcare and care homes where I believe mandates are not just justified by are morally required).
    His name was Robert Paulson.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    The contract will be signed under UK law, this is pretty standard as companies prefer our courts for dispute resolution than European ones or the ECJ.
    You'll get a hearing much more quickly, there's a much deeper pool of lawyers, and it's all in English.

    More importantly, when two massive national companies are arguing with each other, the hearing and the judge will be on neutral ground.
    How long until Macron threatens Airbus UK if the courts rule against Airbus? I'd guess maybe a few weeks.
    Usually these things never actually get to judgement, because Airbus doesn't want to have been held to have done bad shit in a public court. (Although they may be being a bit more bold than normal because Boeing is in such deep trouble with both the new 777 and the 737Max.)
    The first few planes of any type off the line normally come with massive discounts, to make up for their being overweight and full of teething problems. Singapore’s first few A380s were ten tonnes too heavy, restricted in payload and range, and didn’t last a day longer in the fleet than their ten-year leases.

    It will be interesting to find out how Airbus and Qatar ended up in court, but a starting point might be that they’ve both been struggling in the past couple of years.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    The contract will be signed under UK law, this is pretty standard as companies prefer our courts for dispute resolution than European ones or the ECJ.
    You'll get a hearing much more quickly, there's a much deeper pool of lawyers, and it's all in English.

    More importantly, when two massive national companies are arguing with each other, the hearing and the judge will be on neutral ground.
    How long until Macron threatens Airbus UK if the courts rule against Airbus? I'd guess maybe a few weeks.
    Usually these things never actually get to judgement, because Airbus doesn't want to have been held to have done bad shit in a public court. (Although they may be being a bit more bold than normal because Boeing is in such deep trouble with both the new 777 and the 737Max.)
    The first few planes of any type off the line normally come with massive discounts, to make up for their being overweight and full of teething problems. Singapore’s first few A380s were ten tonnes too heavy, restricted in payload and range, and didn’t last a day longer in the fleet than their ten-year leases.

    It will be interesting to find out how Airbus and Qatar ended up in court, but a starting point might be that they’ve both been struggling in the past couple of years.
    Shit. Not at all disconcerting to the SLF to know what they might be flying on.
  • dixiedean said:

    Ratters said:

    The incredible thing is that the Tories have fallen 10% behind Labour before the cost of living starts going up meaningfully. The known changes we have to come:

    - National Insurance tax hike in April
    - Further gas/electricity bill increases once the price cap is lifted, also in April
    - Broadband and phone bills going up by close to 4% above CPI (so almost 10%) from March
    - Interest rates expcted to increase from close to zero to around 1% by the end of the year

    The worst thing is there is nothing the government can really do about this. If wages keep up with prices then inflation becomes ingrained and rates will have to go higher still. It is the same story in the US.

    Any competent government would struggle politically with all that. This one will have a really hard time having blown all its political goodwill on a few nights out.

    I don't think the Labour lead has peaked.

    Worse than that.
    They are fundamentally ideologically divided as to any response.
    Which goes back to the genius-level tactics, remedial-level strategy approach of Johnson and Cummings. You can assemble a win by appealing to different groups of people who, deep down, want contradictory things. But you are screwed when you try to govern on that basis and doubly screwed when you try to work out what to do next to get out of that bind.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,157
    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Blimey, that Depeche Mode guy has some ugly tats. Don't think I need the visuals any more.

    I only really like Personal Jesus anyway.

    On a related note - Has anyone ever seen the face of God?

    I have,

    He's an old ugly guy who lives on Mars; he was on Sky News one night.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
  • NHS in talks on jabs U turn - to save 70,000 staff from sack

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484628965285376000?s=20


  • I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    dixiedean said:

    Ratters said:

    The incredible thing is that the Tories have fallen 10% behind Labour before the cost of living starts going up meaningfully. The known changes we have to come:

    - National Insurance tax hike in April
    - Further gas/electricity bill increases once the price cap is lifted, also in April
    - Broadband and phone bills going up by close to 4% above CPI (so almost 10%) from March
    - Interest rates expcted to increase from close to zero to around 1% by the end of the year

    The worst thing is there is nothing the government can really do about this. If wages keep up with prices then inflation becomes ingrained and rates will have to go higher still. It is the same story in the US.

    Any competent government would struggle politically with all that. This one will have a really hard time having blown all its political goodwill on a few nights out.

    I don't think the Labour lead has peaked.

    Worse than that.
    They are fundamentally ideologically divided as to any response.
    Which goes back to the genius-level tactics, remedial-level strategy approach of Johnson and Cummings. You can assemble a win by appealing to different groups of people who, deep down, want contradictory things. But you are screwed when you try to govern on that basis and doubly screwed when you try to work out what to do next to get out of that bind.
    And trebly screwed when the economy starts to go tits up.
    Because, you really can't please either.
    It's a choice. Shaft the wealthy with taxes. Or shaft the poor with cuts.
    Or, more likely, both.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    edited January 2022
    MalkyG is "SNP Type" (c) @JBriskin3


  • I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,157
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    Must say I’m struggling to parse Leon’s dichotomy. Western superiority complex vs racism. Hmm.

    Glad I'm not the only one having problems following exactly what is being argued about.
    Haven't been following the pile-on on poor Kinabulu, but there is most certainly a distinction between being an ethnocentrist ('my way of life or religion is best') and being a racist ('my race is superior'). For instance, Frederick Douglass the ex-slave AIUI preferred the Christian American life (apart from the racism!) to the pagan life in Africa, but he was no racist.
    Not for the first time it's Fruity Leon's fault. He set a trap - asking me what the modern term for 3rd World is - and I walked right into it by answering. Live and learn.
    I don't know why Leon (Sean T) is allowed to keep causing all this trouble on this site. He's a really unpleasant character who thinks he's funny, constantly winding people up deliberately - usually on the back of alcohol or some other substance(s) - and thinks most of us have the time of day for his proclivities.

    He should face a ban for considerably longer than 24 hours. For the sake of the rest of this forum.
    Now, I'm liberal, but to a degree
    I want ev'rybody to be free

    But I'd draw the line at posters who call for other posters to be banned.
    Can we ban all the posters calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned for calling for people to be banned......

    Actually - what we need are more people who get the question "Is the glass half empty or half full?" right.
    I know this one...

    An optimist says that the glass is half full.

    A pessimist says that the glass is half empty.

    An engineer says that the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

    We need more engineers!
    But not in the NHS, please.
    Why not in the NHS?
    You don't think somebody commenting that spare beds in the NHS means it has more capacity than it needs would be a bad idea?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,738
    JBriskin3 said:

    MalkyG is "SNP Type" (c) @JBriskin3

    Not so, very definitely.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    edited January 2022
    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    MalkyG is "SNP Type" (c) @JBriskin3

    Not so, very definitely.
    WRONG - He's an SNP Type - always has been, always will be.

    SNP Type is an umbrella term that encompasses SNP, SGreen and Alba.

    I remember when Malky said he'd vote Green in an iScot.

    SNP Type - always has been, always will be.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340
    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
  • ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    And never been back since.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    And never been back since.
    Ironically Clwyd South was one of the 2019 gains in NE Wales.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    IshmaelZ said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    The contract will be signed under UK law, this is pretty standard as companies prefer our courts for dispute resolution than European ones or the ECJ.
    You'll get a hearing much more quickly, there's a much deeper pool of lawyers, and it's all in English.

    More importantly, when two massive national companies are arguing with each other, the hearing and the judge will be on neutral ground.
    How long until Macron threatens Airbus UK if the courts rule against Airbus? I'd guess maybe a few weeks.
    Usually these things never actually get to judgement, because Airbus doesn't want to have been held to have done bad shit in a public court. (Although they may be being a bit more bold than normal because Boeing is in such deep trouble with both the new 777 and the 737Max.)
    The first few planes of any type off the line normally come with massive discounts, to make up for their being overweight and full of teething problems. Singapore’s first few A380s were ten tonnes too heavy, restricted in payload and range, and didn’t last a day longer in the fleet than their ten-year leases.

    It will be interesting to find out how Airbus and Qatar ended up in court, but a starting point might be that they’ve both been struggling in the past couple of years.
    Shit. Not at all disconcerting to the SLF to know what they might be flying on.
    No need for the SLF to panic, the ones they used for the testing were even earlier line numbers - if anything was going to break catastrophically it would be those ones!

    A heavy plane is still a safe plane, it just doesn’t meet the performance targets. Emirates used to have an early A380 and a 777 take off from Dubai to LA almost at the same time, as they couldn’t get all the pax bags from the A380 on that plane as well as enough fuel for the trip! Airlines and aircraft manufacturers usually sort these things out between themselves though, long before it gets near a courtroom.

    It’s astonishing that, even as the number of planes and flights has increased massively over the past few decades, the number of fatalities still falls.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 794
    edited January 2022



    I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
    That doesn't seem unreasonable given the costs in Switzerland, frankly - aren't they trying to make minimum wage about £35k PA there?

    But walking into a first job paying £750k is pretty... surprising.

    We are paying talented new grads (bachelors) roughly £50k now and that is a decent salary for anyone not in the city. Couldn't conceive of paying £750k.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    The contract will be signed under UK law, this is pretty standard as companies prefer our courts for dispute resolution than European ones or the ECJ.
    You'll get a hearing much more quickly, there's a much deeper pool of lawyers, and it's all in English.

    More importantly, when two massive national companies are arguing with each other, the hearing and the judge will be on neutral ground.
    How long until Macron threatens Airbus UK if the courts rule against Airbus? I'd guess maybe a few weeks.
    Usually these things never actually get to judgement, because Airbus doesn't want to have been held to have done bad shit in a public court. (Although they may be being a bit more bold than normal because Boeing is in such deep trouble with both the new 777 and the 737Max.)
    The first few planes of any type off the line normally come with massive discounts, to make up for their being overweight and full of teething problems. Singapore’s first few A380s were ten tonnes too heavy, restricted in payload and range, and didn’t last a day longer in the fleet than their ten-year leases.

    It will be interesting to find out how Airbus and Qatar ended up in court, but a starting point might be that they’ve both been struggling in the past couple of years.
    Airbus - in narrow bodies at least - has been doing extremely well. If you want a new A320 series plane, it's an eight or nine year wait. (The stock has been a decent performer too.)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386



    I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
    That doesn't seem unreasonable given the costs in Switzerland, frankly - aren't they trying to make minimum wage about £35k PA there?

    But walking into a first job paying £750k is pretty... surprising.
    Adjusting for inflation it's nearer £280k today. More, as wages have outstripped obviously.
    But even so...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,958
    EXCLUSIVE Scotland Yard will meet with a leading Conservative MP to discuss claims of threats and blackmail of rebel Tory backbenchers by Government whips, The @Telegraph can disclose.
    A detective from the Metropolitan Police will meet with William Wragg early next week. 1/2

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1484632316026757130
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281



    I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
    That doesn't seem unreasonable given the costs in Switzerland, frankly - aren't they trying to make minimum wage about £35k PA there?

    But walking into a first job paying £750k is pretty... surprising.
    I wonder whether it was the other way around - a job in 1977 that paid £50k in today's money, so just under £8k in 1977.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    edited January 2022
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
    No idea.
    Which is the only club to be the season's top goal scorers and still get relegated? They were also the only defending Champions to go down.
    Pre-Premiership.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,577

    NHS in talks on jabs U turn - to save 70,000 staff from sack

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484628965285376000?s=20

    It's not just the numbers, it is the areas such as midwifery. Labour wards are short already, so having a baby in April will be grim, and not able to postpone or go private.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,840
    edited January 2022



    I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
    That doesn't seem unreasonable given the costs in Switzerland, frankly - aren't they trying to make minimum wage about £35k PA there?

    But walking into a first job paying £750k is pretty... surprising.
    I wonder whether it was the other way around - a job in 1977 that paid £50k in today's money, so just under £8k in 1977.
    50k in todays money in Switzerland, that's a not a very well paid job.

    I can believe £250k in Switzerland in todays money, deep minds today will pay £100k+ straight out of PhD and when I did my PhD a number of my colleagues started on that not inflation adjusted, £100k + stock / bonus, working in finance.

    Where as I stayed on my 27p salary as a post-doc....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,157
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
    No idea.
    Which is the only club to be the season's top goal scorers and still get relegated? They were also the only defending Champions to go down.
    Pre-Premiership.
    The answer to my question is Wigan, 2009-10, -42.

    No idea on yours!

    EDIT: Just looked, I'm not surprised as to when it happened.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Scott_xP said:
    Bringing in the Uber loyal to circle the wagons isn't my description of "beefing up".
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    The contract will be signed under UK law, this is pretty standard as companies prefer our courts for dispute resolution than European ones or the ECJ.
    You'll get a hearing much more quickly, there's a much deeper pool of lawyers, and it's all in English.

    More importantly, when two massive national companies are arguing with each other, the hearing and the judge will be on neutral ground.
    How long until Macron threatens Airbus UK if the courts rule against Airbus? I'd guess maybe a few weeks.
    Usually these things never actually get to judgement, because Airbus doesn't want to have been held to have done bad shit in a public court. (Although they may be being a bit more bold than normal because Boeing is in such deep trouble with both the new 777 and the 737Max.)
    The first few planes of any type off the line normally come with massive discounts, to make up for their being overweight and full of teething problems. Singapore’s first few A380s were ten tonnes too heavy, restricted in payload and range, and didn’t last a day longer in the fleet than their ten-year leases.

    It will be interesting to find out how Airbus and Qatar ended up in court, but a starting point might be that they’ve both been struggling in the past couple of years.
    Airbus - in narrow bodies at least - has been doing extremely well. If you want a new A320 series plane, it's an eight or nine year wait. (The stock has been a decent performer too.)
    Yes, they delivered 611 planes last year but have more than 7,000 in the backlog. They delivered a record 863 aircraft in 2019 though, so still some way off from pre-pandemic production numbers.
    https://www.aviationtoday.com/2022/01/12/airbus-boeing-report-2021-commercial-aircraft-deliveries/
    At what point does a huge order book become a problem, if you don’t have the capacity to make them?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
    No idea.
    Which is the only club to be the season's top goal scorers and still get relegated? They were also the only defending Champions to go down.
    Pre-Premiership.
    The answer to my question is Wigan, 2009-10, -42.

    No idea on yours!

    EDIT: Just looked, I'm not surprised as to when it happened.
    Hang on - So you're saying the answer is Minus Forty Two?

    Explains a lot.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    NHS in talks on jabs U turn - to save 70,000 staff from sack

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484628965285376000?s=20

    Unfortunate, but if the numbers are that high it seems a necessity - as infuriating as it is for people in that area to not be jabbed it is just too many to eject.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,157
    JBriskin3 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
    No idea.
    Which is the only club to be the season's top goal scorers and still get relegated? They were also the only defending Champions to go down.
    Pre-Premiership.
    The answer to my question is Wigan, 2009-10, -42.

    No idea on yours!

    EDIT: Just looked, I'm not surprised as to when it happened.
    Hang on - So you're saying the answer is Minus Forty Two?

    Explains a lot.
    Yep, they got hit for nine at Spurs and eight at Chelsea on the final day (when they were already safe).

    I saw them come from 2-0 against Arsenal to win 3-2.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830



    I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
    That doesn't seem unreasonable given the costs in Switzerland, frankly - aren't they trying to make minimum wage about £35k PA there?

    But walking into a first job paying £750k is pretty... surprising.
    I wonder whether it was the other way around - a job in 1977 that paid £50k in today's money, so just under £8k in 1977.
    50k in todays money in Switzerland, that's a not a very well paid job.

    I can believe £250k in Switzerland in todays money, deep minds today will pay £100k+ straight out of PhD and when I did my PhD a number of my colleagues started on that not inflation adjusted, £100k + stock / bonus, working in finance.

    Where as I stayed on my 27p salary as a post-doc....
    27p? You lucky sod
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    tlg86 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
    No idea.
    Which is the only club to be the season's top goal scorers and still get relegated? They were also the only defending Champions to go down.
    Pre-Premiership.
    The answer to my question is Wigan, 2009-10, -42.

    No idea on yours!

    EDIT: Just looked, I'm not surprised as to when it happened.
    Hang on - So you're saying the answer is Minus Forty Two?

    Explains a lot.
    Yep, they got hit for nine at Spurs and eight at Chelsea on the final day (when they were already safe).

    I saw them come from 2-0 against Arsenal to win 3-2.
    I was trying to make a D Adams joke but straight bat answers like that are at least informative.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,520



    I think it's been mildly useful in getting a respectful hearing (whether otherwise earned or not), and I'm sure it helped get my first job, which was paid £50K back in 1977, because the Swiss really rate academic success.

    Sorry, what? £50k in 1977? Isn't that like £750k now?
    Just as an aside, a PhD stipend in Switzerland at the moment is about $50k.
    That doesn't seem unreasonable given the costs in Switzerland, frankly - aren't they trying to make minimum wage about £35k PA there?

    But walking into a first job paying £750k is pretty... surprising.

    We are paying talented new grads (bachelors) roughly £50k now and that is a decent salary for anyone not in the city. Couldn't conceive of paying £750k.
    Hardly. Swiss inflation hasn't been 1500% in 45 years. It's been about 1% a year for the last 25 years:

    https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi

    Someone may have the exact figure, but I'd guess that wages have doubled over the period, so £50K then would be £100K now. When I was elected in 1997 after 20 years I was on £90K.

    But I did feel lucky - the job was fascinating - basically introducing a clinical trial system in 20 countries. They were slightly mad to give it to someone as a first job (I did have a brief preliminary period on a smaller project to check I wasn't useless), but Ciba-Geigy was like that - basically they gave you more than you could easily handle and watched with interest to see how you got on.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited January 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    I thought the whole point of Eton was it embued every single student with the belief that they were and deserved to be a head boy. Then you let connections/wealth do the rest.

    Edit: IDK, Eton cracks aren't the same without Charles getting upset about it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    I thought the whole point of Eton was it embued every single student with the belief that they were and deserved to be a head boy. Then you let connections/wealth do the rest.

    Edit: IDK, Eton cracks aren't the same without Charles getting upset about it.
    I must have a filthy mind...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,625
    Foxy said:

    NHS in talks on jabs U turn - to save 70,000 staff from sack

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484628965285376000?s=20

    It's not just the numbers, it is the areas such as midwifery. Labour wards are short already, so having a baby in April will be grim, and not able to postpone or go private.
    Johnson needs every backbench vote he can get. There will be a u-turn on this.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,962
    edited January 2022
    Watford v Norwich - 15 minutes added time

    Is that a record

    And Norwich are 3 up and Watford down to 10
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    Foxy said:

    NHS in talks on jabs U turn - to save 70,000 staff from sack

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484628965285376000?s=20

    It's not just the numbers, it is the areas such as midwifery. Labour wards are short already, so having a baby in April will be grim, and not able to postpone or go private.
    Johnson needs every backbench vote he can get. There will be a u-turn on this.
    It has to be phrased carefully. 'Johnson u-turns to save Labour wards' could be very easily misunderstood.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    I thought the whole point of Eton was it embued every single student with the belief that they were and deserved to be a head boy. Then you let connections/wealth do the rest.

    Edit: IDK, Eton cracks aren't the same without Charles getting upset about it.
    I must have a filthy mind...
    That you put 'must' not 'may' shows admirable self reflection and insight doctor.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    In play, Norwich are currently rated an 82.6% chance of going down. As things stand, they are out of the bottom three. I know Burnley have games in hand and Newcastle have money, but those odds are quite remarkable.

    What's more. They've started picking up points.
    Good spot.
    I didn't say they were wrong. ;)

    I always look at goal difference, and Norwich's is horrific.

    Quiz question, what is the worse goal difference to stay up in the PL and which team had it?
    No idea.
    Which is the only club to be the season's top goal scorers and still get relegated? They were also the only defending Champions to go down.
    Pre-Premiership.
    The answer to my question is Wigan, 2009-10, -42.

    No idea on yours!

    EDIT: Just looked, I'm not surprised as to when it happened.
    Ought to know that. My Mam and late Dad were season ticket holders!
    Mine is, inevitably Man City 1937-8.

    They scored 80 goals, and, remarkably, had a positive goal difference of 3, but managed to finish next to last.
    They were only 10 points off fourth and 16 from the title in a 42 game season. (2 points for a win, but even so!).
    The equivalent today with 3 points and 38 games would be being relegated with more than 45 points!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,840
    edited January 2022
    I presume they will claim just on a sightseeing trip to look at the lovely trees.

    Interesting analysis of satellite images showing Russian troop buildup near Ukraine by
    @Kierand99
    and
    @Jack_P_Taylor
    of
    @SkyNews
    forensic journalism team.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/1484643936970883073?s=20
  • Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    MalkyG is "SNP Type" (c) @JBriskin3

    Not so, very definitely.
    I'm assuming anyone with a British Nationhood predisposition is a BNP type.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    MalkyG is "SNP Type" (c) @JBriskin3

    Not so, very definitely.
    I'm assuming anyone with a British Nationhood predisposition is a BNP type.
    You mean the Bad nationalism?

    As opposed to the joyous, civic SNP Type?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,625

    dixiedean said:

    See the Opposition is finally awake to what I've been saying for days would be the plan.
    That is to publish a short summary of the Gray Report.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/21/pm-facing-calls-to-ensure-all-evidence-is-published-in-no-10-parties-inquiry

    Anyone who's followed the PM's modus operandi could have predicted this tactic.

    He can only concentrate long enough to absorb a short summary. Although I understand that his hero Churchill insisted that all memos to him were no longer than 1 page.
    Short Summary:

    Everyone in Whitehall is on the piss all the time. This did not, unfortunately, stop during lockdown.

    Johnson was in charge at the time, but this is a long standing, systemic issue that needs root and branch reform. It would have been better if the PM had acted on this cultural problem, but it is understandable that he did not given the other pressing matters in hand.

    We recommend a further report to look at how the civil service can repair and reform its culture.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    I thought the whole point of Eton was it embued every single student with the belief that they were and deserved to be a head boy. Then you let connections/wealth do the rest.

    Edit: IDK, Eton cracks aren't the same without Charles getting upset about it.
    I must have a filthy mind...
    He was my fag...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Chancellor Sunak will surely only allow this once he is PM.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Whether it was right or wrong it was a tough decision as far as this government goes (despite its massive majority) - will they have the stomach to hold firm on it given the need for a distracting 'win'?
  • TELEGRAPH: Government seeks to gag BBC over spy story

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484646811776294912?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353
    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922

    TELEGRAPH: Government seeks to gag BBC over spy story

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484646811776294912?s=20

    A nobbled head of state, perhaps? ;)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353
    JBriskin3 said:

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
    Nothing in the headlines. Meatloaf gets the nod over Boris Johnson.
  • Scott_xP said:
    Grant Shapps did the spreadsheet thing during Boris's run for the leadership. It may explain why he is in the Cabinet.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    TELEGRAPH: Government seeks to gag BBC over spy story

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484646811776294912?s=20

    Braverman is on the case.
    Expect every agent since Walsingham to be identified.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,840
    edited January 2022
    When Mr Green is your idea of "beefing up your team" you really are in trouble.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
    Nothing in the headlines.
    Yes I got that from your post.

    If I had spare cash I'd wager you that they will mention it at some point.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MattW said:

    It's quite fun that the Airbus - Qatar dispute is being judged in the High Court in London.

    That will please Mons. Macron.

    Qatar Airways is claiming more than $600m in compensation from planemaker Airbus for surface flaws on A350 jetliners, according to a court document shedding new light on a growing business feud worth $4m a day.

    The Gulf carrier is also asking British judges to order France-based Airbus not to attempt to deliver any more of the jets until what it describes as a design defect has been fixed.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/6/qatar-airways-seeks-more-than-600m-in-airbus-a350-dispute

    The contract will be signed under UK law, this is pretty standard as companies prefer our courts for dispute resolution than European ones or the ECJ.
    You'll get a hearing much more quickly, there's a much deeper pool of lawyers, and it's all in English.

    More importantly, when two massive national companies are arguing with each other, the hearing and the judge will be on neutral ground.
    How long until Macron threatens Airbus UK if the courts rule against Airbus? I'd guess maybe a few weeks.
    Usually these things never actually get to judgement, because Airbus doesn't want to have been held to have done bad shit in a public court. (Although they may be being a bit more bold than normal because Boeing is in such deep trouble with both the new 777 and the 737Max.)
    The first few planes of any type off the line normally come with massive discounts, to make up for their being overweight and full of teething problems. Singapore’s first few A380s were ten tonnes too heavy, restricted in payload and range, and didn’t last a day longer in the fleet than their ten-year leases.

    It will be interesting to find out how Airbus and Qatar ended up in court, but a starting point might be that they’ve both been struggling in the past couple of years.
    Airbus - in narrow bodies at least - has been doing extremely well. If you want a new A320 series plane, it's an eight or nine year wait. (The stock has been a decent performer too.)
    Yes, they delivered 611 planes last year but have more than 7,000 in the backlog. They delivered a record 863 aircraft in 2019 though, so still some way off from pre-pandemic production numbers.
    https://www.aviationtoday.com/2022/01/12/airbus-boeing-report-2021-commercial-aircraft-deliveries/
    At what point does a huge order book become a problem, if you don’t have the capacity to make them?
    Well... if Boeing hadn't fucked up royally with the 737Max it would likely be a problem.

    There is undoubtedly a big opportunity for another player to produce a narrow body plane, and you have both Chinese and Russian attempts to enter that market. But neither the COMAC or the Irkut has actually shipped as yet, and most airlines will look at a new vendor and think 'training and maintenance could be tricky'.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,819
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    It's very hard to understand how he got to be Head Boy - or the effective equivalent in Eton terms.

    I hope that's something they're embarrassed about.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,088

    JBriskin3 said:

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
    Nothing in the headlines. Meatloaf gets the nod over Boris Johnson.
    He certainly does with me.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353
    edited January 2022
    JBriskin3 said:

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
    You win. William Wragg meets the Met.

    It is an injury time winner though
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
    You win. William Wragg meets the Met.
    Thanks for letting me know.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,502

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Maybe because there is something rather important going on in Ukraine atm.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,577
    dixiedean said:

    TELEGRAPH: Government seeks to gag BBC over spy story

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1484646811776294912?s=20

    Braverman is on the case.
    Expect every agent since Walsingham to be identified.
    It must be a hell of an interesting case to justify unmasking a British spy.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    Big Dog is saved. No mention of Partygate/the "B" word on BBC Ten O' Clock News.

    Praise be!

    Err, there's still 25 mins to go.

    I doubt the New Labour BBC will be able to resist.
    You win. William Wragg meets the Met.

    It is an injury time winner though
    A wins a win.

    Depeche Mode currently singing Enjoy the Silence - aptly cus this thread's pretty quiet (Perhaps all watching Depeche Mode??)

    I'm going to watch Sky papers.

    Laters people.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,625
    Glad to see Jim Steinman got a name check on BBC's obit.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,088

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    It's very hard to understand how he got to be Head Boy - or the effective equivalent in Eton terms.

    I hope that's something they're embarrassed about.
    Perhaps the alternative was some straggly marxist teenager who seemed to hate the school and was always banging on about the global south.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    And never been back since.
    He misheard that Gwynedd was rather attractive.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,819
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    It's very hard to understand how he got to be Head Boy - or the effective equivalent in Eton terms.

    I hope that's something they're embarrassed about.
    Perhaps the alternative was some straggly marxist teenager who seemed to hate the school and was always banging on about the global south.
    There's only one person from my era at my school who's gone into politics. He wasn't even a junior prefect though. He managed to come last in the school mock election as the Labour candidate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340
    edited January 2022
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    It's very hard to understand how he got to be Head Boy - or the effective equivalent in Eton terms.

    I hope that's something they're embarrassed about.
    Perhaps the alternative was some straggly marxist teenager who seemed to hate the school and was always banging on about the global south.
    Corbyn wasn't at Eton, he was at Adams Grammar.

    As was a grandfather, albeit a few years earlier.

    ETA - coincidentally my father was at Reigate for sixth form, while my grandfather worked in Surrey.

    So for the next leader of the Labour Party, assume they were at Newent Comprehensive...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,194

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Heathener said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster Voting Intention (Red Wall):

    *Liz Truss as Conservative Leader*

    LAB: 51%
    CON: 29%
    LDM: 7%
    GRN: 6%
    REF: 4%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 19-20 Jan

    Wow. Confirming what I thought.
    I've said before she's crap. Hopefully the Tory membership are stupid enough to elect her as BJ's replacement.
    She's another unserious politician, albeit without afaik the moral vacancy of BJ. Her attempts to do serious statesman (statesperson?) are about as convincing as BJ's, and on the once bitten principle..
    Unserious politician that got elected.
    Golly, has that combo ever happened before?
    What do you suppose we should do about it.
    Who's we?

    If you don't mind politicans being unserious vote for them, if you do mind, don't. Being elected doesn't vouchsafe very much, and discussion of qualifications to be eg pm is open season (or this site wouldn't exist).
    Every politician who makes it onto the ballot paper is intensely serious and has been to get to that point.

    Not your flavour? Fair enough.

    Liz Truss or David Lammy would make mincemeat of you on any chosen topic under the sun.
    Who was monarch after Henry VIII? (being slightly cruel)
    Edward VI. Easy to remember as he founded my school.
    And who was the first Tudor Queen?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Heathener said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster Voting Intention (Red Wall):

    *Liz Truss as Conservative Leader*

    LAB: 51%
    CON: 29%
    LDM: 7%
    GRN: 6%
    REF: 4%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 19-20 Jan

    Wow. Confirming what I thought.
    I've said before she's crap. Hopefully the Tory membership are stupid enough to elect her as BJ's replacement.
    She's another unserious politician, albeit without afaik the moral vacancy of BJ. Her attempts to do serious statesman (statesperson?) are about as convincing as BJ's, and on the once bitten principle..
    Unserious politician that got elected.
    Golly, has that combo ever happened before?
    What do you suppose we should do about it.
    Who's we?

    If you don't mind politicans being unserious vote for them, if you do mind, don't. Being elected doesn't vouchsafe very much, and discussion of qualifications to be eg pm is open season (or this site wouldn't exist).
    Every politician who makes it onto the ballot paper is intensely serious and has been to get to that point.

    Not your flavour? Fair enough.

    Liz Truss or David Lammy would make mincemeat of you on any chosen topic under the sun.
    Who was monarch after Henry VIII? (being slightly cruel)
    Edward VI. Easy to remember as he founded my school.
    And who was the first Tudor Queen?
    Elizabeth of York, right? You didn't specify Queen regnant.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Heathener said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster Voting Intention (Red Wall):

    *Liz Truss as Conservative Leader*

    LAB: 51%
    CON: 29%
    LDM: 7%
    GRN: 6%
    REF: 4%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 19-20 Jan

    Wow. Confirming what I thought.
    I've said before she's crap. Hopefully the Tory membership are stupid enough to elect her as BJ's replacement.
    She's another unserious politician, albeit without afaik the moral vacancy of BJ. Her attempts to do serious statesman (statesperson?) are about as convincing as BJ's, and on the once bitten principle..
    Unserious politician that got elected.
    Golly, has that combo ever happened before?
    What do you suppose we should do about it.
    Who's we?

    If you don't mind politicans being unserious vote for them, if you do mind, don't. Being elected doesn't vouchsafe very much, and discussion of qualifications to be eg pm is open season (or this site wouldn't exist).
    Every politician who makes it onto the ballot paper is intensely serious and has been to get to that point.

    Not your flavour? Fair enough.

    Liz Truss or David Lammy would make mincemeat of you on any chosen topic under the sun.
    Who was monarch after Henry VIII? (being slightly cruel)
    Edward VI. Easy to remember as he founded my school.
    And who was the first Tudor Queen?
    Elizabeth of York, Princess Royal.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    “Eccentric” isn’t the description I’d use:

    France, Britain, the US, the Balts, Poles, Czechs have all sold or donated weapons to Ukraine. Germany's insistence that it doesn't want to help Ukraine defend itself is looking increasingly eccentric

    https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1484581181563805700?s=21
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,157
    NEW THREAD
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    2/3 of Unionist voters want the DUP to crash the Stormont Executive if Article 16 is not triggered

    https://twitter.com/SuzyJourno/status/1484657507914104833?s=20
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    I presume they will claim just on a sightseeing trip to look at the lovely trees.

    Interesting analysis of satellite images showing Russian troop buildup near Ukraine by
    @Kierand99
    and
    @Jack_P_Taylor
    of
    @SkyNews
    forensic journalism team.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/1484643936970883073?s=20

    Are there any cathedrals there?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    OK, I have kept a suitably long respectful silence...

    I can't stand Meat Loaf's music.

    And he always looked like he'd benefit from a good bath.

    Daft bugger should have taken the jab.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,819

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Heathener said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster Voting Intention (Red Wall):

    *Liz Truss as Conservative Leader*

    LAB: 51%
    CON: 29%
    LDM: 7%
    GRN: 6%
    REF: 4%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 19-20 Jan

    Wow. Confirming what I thought.
    I've said before she's crap. Hopefully the Tory membership are stupid enough to elect her as BJ's replacement.
    She's another unserious politician, albeit without afaik the moral vacancy of BJ. Her attempts to do serious statesman (statesperson?) are about as convincing as BJ's, and on the once bitten principle..
    Unserious politician that got elected.
    Golly, has that combo ever happened before?
    What do you suppose we should do about it.
    Who's we?

    If you don't mind politicans being unserious vote for them, if you do mind, don't. Being elected doesn't vouchsafe very much, and discussion of qualifications to be eg pm is open season (or this site wouldn't exist).
    Every politician who makes it onto the ballot paper is intensely serious and has been to get to that point.

    Not your flavour? Fair enough.

    Liz Truss or David Lammy would make mincemeat of you on any chosen topic under the sun.
    Who was monarch after Henry VIII? (being slightly cruel)
    Edward VI. Easy to remember as he founded my school.
    And who was the first Tudor Queen?
    Elizabeth of York?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    It's very hard to understand how he got to be Head Boy - or the effective equivalent in Eton terms.

    I hope that's something they're embarrassed about.
    Perhaps the alternative was some straggly marxist teenager who seemed to hate the school and was always banging on about the global south.
    Corbyn wasn't at Eton, he was at Adams Grammar.

    As was a grandfather, albeit a few years earlier.

    ETA - coincidentally my father was at Reigate for sixth form, while my grandfather worked in Surrey.

    So for the next leader of the Labour Party, assume they were at Newent Comprehensive...
    You'll be a vast improvement on the current incumbent.

    Should Labour win the GE, Prime Minister's Puns will be a popular feature at Wednesday lunchtimes, I have no doubt.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648
    Is that another Labour policy the Tories are going to adopt?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,943

    Glad to see Jim Steinman got a name check on BBC's obit.

    A symbiotic relationship.
    Neither could have really achieved without the other.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rory the tory

    Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next.

    Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

    FT today. Search "Britain needs a new era of serious leaders" to get round paywall

    One quibble. Boris Johnson fought a seat in Clwyd in 1997, which is 25 years ago.
    Yes

    And it's worse than that. There's that letter from Eton to his dad saying he is a fat conceited self regarding slob, and then they - a load of mature and sensible adults - make him head boy* anyway. What the holy fuck is that about?


    *I am sure Eton has nothing so middle class as a head boy. Captain of Oppidans or Magister of the Wet bobs or something
    It's very hard to understand how he got to be Head Boy - or the effective equivalent in Eton terms.

    I hope that's something they're embarrassed about.
    Perhaps the alternative was some straggly marxist teenager who seemed to hate the school and was always banging on about the global south.
    Corbyn wasn't at Eton, he was at Adams Grammar.

    As was a grandfather, albeit a few years earlier.

    ETA - coincidentally my father was at Reigate for sixth form, while my grandfather worked in Surrey.

    So for the next leader of the Labour Party, assume they were at Newent Comprehensive...
    You'll be a vast improvement on the current incumbent.

    Should Labour win the GE, Prime Minister's Puns will be a popular feature at Wednesday lunchtimes, I have no doubt.
    Mr Speaker, the right honourable member has asked about my policies. I would answer, but I was too busy enjoying the amusing fact that the leading member of this place is A Johnson.
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