Frost is simply running away from the impossible circle that he should have known could never be squared. Now it is someone else’s problem.
It wasn't impossible there was a perfectly good solution: Article 16.
If Boris is too much of a pussy to invoke that, as well as too much of a pussy to tell Whitty we are never locking down again then that just shows how pissweak and pathetic Boris has become.
Boris has all the backbone of a quivering pile of jelly now it seems. Any failure belongs to Boris personally. Article 16 remains the right solution.
I back the police to take the strongest possible action against him.'
Is this expectation management?
I don't disagree, however shouldn't she also be backing "the police to take the strongest possible action" against those who broke lockdown rules in Downing Street last year?
Or is she politicising the police?
At first I thought Priti had gone mad, but having watched the video Corbyn urged arson against MPs in his latest rant.
One of my friends is severely, anaphalactically, allergic to one of the constituents in the vaccines ('ingredients' didn't seem like the right word). I point out that I only have her word for this but she's not someone I would distrust.
Not everyone who is unvaccinated is obstreperous.
One of the reasons, and there are many, why anti-vaxxers piss me off is that they are making life very difficult for people who are genuinely unable to be vaccinated. There are a lot of people out there who have to rely on the rest of us doing the right thing. And given that the right thing is free, simple, essentially painless, widely available, and may even save our own lives, it is infuriating that so many people still have not availed themselves of a first dose never mind the booster.
Not to mention the genuinely vulnerable. Friends of ours have an 18 yo daughter with Crohn's Disease. The whole family is basically shut down for fear of one of these selfish arses potentially killing her. She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
I back the police to take the strongest possible action against him.'
Is this expectation management?
I don't disagree, however shouldn't she also be backing "the police to take the strongest possible action" against those who broke lockdown rules in Downing Street last year?
Or is she politicising the police?
Am still wondering how far last year's lockdown was being enforced by social norms and guidance rather than statute law.
Patel might have been wiser pressing the do not send button on her phone or laptop or phone.
One of my friends is severely, anaphalactically, allergic to one of the constituents in the vaccines ('ingredients' didn't seem like the right word). I point out that I only have her word for this but she's not someone I would distrust.
Not everyone who is unvaccinated is obstreperous.
One of the reasons, and there are many, why anti-vaxxers piss me off is that they are making life very difficult for people who are genuinely unable to be vaccinated. There are a lot of people out there who have to rely on the rest of us doing the right thing. And given that the right thing is free, simple, essentially painless, widely available, and may even save our own lives, it is infuriating that so many people still have not availed themselves of a first dose never mind the booster.
Not to mention the genuinely vulnerable. Friends of ours have an 18 yo daughter with Crohn's Disease. The whole family is basically shut down for fear of one of these selfish arses potentially killing her. She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
Why? I have Crohn's Disease and I'm on immune suppressants. Hasn't stopped me doing anything.
Johnson knew. Frost knew. Now it’s all unraveling as Frost realises Johnson has left him out in the cold, fighting battles that neither of them ever believed in. Johnson has gone home, bored with the details, to find a party somewhere. https://twitter.com/DixieRose100/status/1472315346904363016/photo/1
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
I respected the liberal Boris who was prepared to stand up to the EU and who was instinctively opposed to restrictions unless absolutely necessary.
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
If Boris introduces another lockdown I fear Farage may return to reclaim voters Boris won back for the Tories in 2019
The problem as I see it is there are 100 plus conservative mps, and now Frost , who seem to be morphing into the Republican party and absolutely not on the side of British opinion
The irony is that Boris is more in tune with the public on covid and green issues than the conservative party and unless they get a grip, they are heading into years in the wilderness and handing the country over to a fiscally incoherent labour party
I only hope that in all this the lib dems do very well in 24, and are able to act as a brake on an uncontrolled labour party for all our sakes as labour will run out of money no matter how much they tax the rich
Just a few short weeks ago Boris was ahead in the polls and ratings but look at him now
If Bozza stands firm keeps the country open and lots and lots of people die (I am suggesting a possible, not a probable scenario here, but let's assume for a moment. It is bad) how does Johnson get out of that having disregarded SAGE advice? Rocks and hard places.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
So the question then is, who on here is a bot... Some people's responses to certain issues are so rigid, inflexible and preprogrammed that I suspect it rules them out GPT-3 is more sophisticated...
One of my friends is severely, anaphalactically, allergic to one of the constituents in the vaccines ('ingredients' didn't seem like the right word). I point out that I only have her word for this but she's not someone I would distrust.
Not everyone who is unvaccinated is obstreperous.
One of the reasons, and there are many, why anti-vaxxers piss me off is that they are making life very difficult for people who are genuinely unable to be vaccinated. There are a lot of people out there who have to rely on the rest of us doing the right thing. And given that the right thing is free, simple, essentially painless, widely available, and may even save our own lives, it is infuriating that so many people still have not availed themselves of a first dose never mind the booster.
Not to mention the genuinely vulnerable. Friends of ours have an 18 yo daughter with Crohn's Disease. The whole family is basically shut down for fear of one of these selfish arses potentially killing her. She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
Why? I have Crohn's Disease and I'm on immune suppressants. Hasn't stopped me doing anything.
She has other underlying issues too. Also. It is the psychology. You can't account for how folk feel.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
Wait, Yvette Cooper was on here?
(I occasionally idle away the minutes when my C++ code is compiling by trolling the comments section of a local newspaper website. The regulars are absolutely convinced I’m the high-profile deputy leader of a major local council. I clearly am not - I’ve never met the guy and we’re in different parties - but it’s highly amusing…)
One of my friends is severely, anaphalactically, allergic to one of the constituents in the vaccines ('ingredients' didn't seem like the right word). I point out that I only have her word for this but she's not someone I would distrust.
Not everyone who is unvaccinated is obstreperous.
One of the reasons, and there are many, why anti-vaxxers piss me off is that they are making life very difficult for people who are genuinely unable to be vaccinated. There are a lot of people out there who have to rely on the rest of us doing the right thing. And given that the right thing is free, simple, essentially painless, widely available, and may even save our own lives, it is infuriating that so many people still have not availed themselves of a first dose never mind the booster.
Not to mention the genuinely vulnerable. Friends of ours have an 18 yo daughter with Crohn's Disease. The whole family is basically shut down for fear of one of these selfish arses potentially killing her. She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
Why? I have Crohn's Disease and I'm on immune suppressants. Hasn't stopped me doing anything.
Likewise
I have Crohns, was not even a Severely Clinically Vulnerable illness.
Not remotely a reason to lock yourself away for any covid reason.
Frost is simply running away from the impossible circle that he should have known could never be squared. Now it is someone else’s problem.
It wasn't impossible there was a perfectly good solution: Article 16.
If Boris is too much of a pussy to invoke that, as well as too much of a pussy to tell Whitty we are never locking down again then that just shows how pissweak and pathetic Boris has become.
Boris has all the backbone of a quivering pile of jelly now it seems. Any failure belongs to Boris personally. Article 16 remains the right solution.
Mate, no one is going to invoke it. Not now. Everyone wants Brexit to go away
if this achieves it, then it will be done. The unionists will object, but then they will realise it leaves them in a pretty favourable economic position, uniquely in the UK and EU single markets, and with Freedom of Movement yet also the protection of the NHS
That position will be sustainable for a generation, easily
The most unreliable politics account on twitter says the chief whip has been sacked
??
Politics For All @PoliticsForAlI Police cars revolving light | BREAKING: Boris Johnson has agreed to sack chief whip Mark Spencer, and may take down Simon Case next
If Boris now agrees the negotiated offer with the EU and additionally the fishing licences with France then in a short time Brexit will be off the political agenda
Furthermore, despite all the controversies, and with the exception of SNP and Plaid, no other UK party wants to re-join the EU nor campaign for it at GE24
Frost is simply running away from the impossible circle that he should have known could never be squared. Now it is someone else’s problem.
It wasn't impossible there was a perfectly good solution: Article 16.
If Boris is too much of a pussy to invoke that, as well as too much of a pussy to tell Whitty we are never locking down again then that just shows how pissweak and pathetic Boris has become.
Boris has all the backbone of a quivering pile of jelly now it seems. Any failure belongs to Boris personally. Article 16 remains the right solution.
Mate, no one is going to invoke it. Not now. Everyone wants Brexit to go away
if this achieves it, then it will be done. The unionists will object, but then they will realise it leaves them in a pretty favourable economic position, uniquely in the UK and EU single markets, and with Freedom of Movement yet also the protection of the NHS
That position will be sustainable for a generation, easily
Article 16 remains the right solution, just as threatening No Deal was the right solution a couple of years ago. May was weak, Boris has become weak.
It seems for Brexit and Covid combined the one MP speaking sense is Steve Baker. Maybe he should be next PM?
The most unreliable politics account on twitter says the chief whip has been sacked
??
Politics For All @PoliticsForAlI Police cars revolving light | BREAKING: Boris Johnson has agreed to sack chief whip Mark Spencer, and may take down Simon Case next
OK this is an attempted coup. They are trying to bring down THE BORIS
Funny how those “dreary steeples” keep coming back to haunt the UK. Maybe it would have been better to have not partitioned Ireland in the first place.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
Wait, Yvette Cooper was on here?
(I occasionally idle away the minutes when my C++ code is compiling by trolling the comments section of a local newspaper website. The regulars are absolutely convinced I’m the high-profile deputy leader of a major local council. I clearly am not - I’ve never met the guy and we’re in different parties - but it’s highly amusing…)
You're gonna have to explain that to @Leon, he won't be able to get his head around the concept of posting while pretending to be someone else.
Frost is simply running away from the impossible circle that he should have known could never be squared. Now it is someone else’s problem.
It wasn't impossible there was a perfectly good solution: Article 16.
If Boris is too much of a pussy to invoke that, as well as too much of a pussy to tell Whitty we are never locking down again then that just shows how pissweak and pathetic Boris has become.
Boris has all the backbone of a quivering pile of jelly now it seems. Any failure belongs to Boris personally. Article 16 remains the right solution.
Mate, no one is going to invoke it. Not now. Everyone wants Brexit to go away
if this achieves it, then it will be done. The unionists will object, but then they will realise it leaves them in a pretty favourable economic position, uniquely in the UK and EU single markets, and with Freedom of Movement yet also the protection of the NHS
That position will be sustainable for a generation, easily
Article 16 remains the right solution, just as threatening No Deal was the right solution a couple of years ago. May was weak, Boris has become weak.
It seems for Brexit and Covid combined the one MP speaking sense is Steve Baker. Maybe he should be next PM?
Well, sure, if you don’t mind totally trashing the UK’s international reputation and having no other country trust us again for a generation or more. But “better to reign in hell” eh?
Face it PT, Brexit is dead. They just haven’t announced the funeral date yet. No flowers.
Not to mention the genuinely vulnerable. Friends of ours have an 18 yo daughter with Crohn's Disease. The whole family is basically shut down for fear of one of these selfish arses potentially killing her. She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
Yes the freedom of an individual to not have a jab that may save their own life comes at the cost of greater risk for people who can't be vaccinated, and people who are clinically vulnerable, as well as disrupting the treatments of other people who need healthcare. It's an inhumane freedom.
If Boris now agrees the negotiated offer with the EU and additionally the fishing licences with France then in a short time Brexit will be off the political agenda
Furthermore, despite all the controversies, and with the exception of SNP and Plaid, no other UK party wants to re-join the EU nor campaign for it at GE24
Of course not. The campaign will be to join the EEA to try and undo the utter disaster inflicted on British business by the Conservatives
If Boris now agrees the negotiated offer with the EU and additionally the fishing licences with France then in a short time Brexit will be off the political agenda
Furthermore, despite all the controversies, and with the exception of SNP and Plaid, no other UK party wants to re-join the EU nor campaign for it at GE24
Of course not. The campaign will be to join the EEA to try and undo the utter disaster inflicted on British business by the Conservatives
Who will be campaigning at GE 24 for the EEA not that I am averse to it
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
I respected the liberal Boris who was prepared to stand up to the EU and who was instinctively opposed to restrictions unless absolutely necessary.
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
If Boris introduces another lockdown I fear Farage may return to reclaim voters Boris won back for the Tories in 2019
The problem as I see it is there are 100 plus conservative mps, and now Frost , who seem to be morphing into the Republican party and absolutely not on the side of British opinion
The irony is that Boris is more in tune with the public on covid and green issues than the conservative party and unless they get a grip, they are heading into years in the wilderness and handing the country over to a fiscally incoherent labour party
I only hope that in all this the lib dems do very well in 24, and are able to act as a brake on an uncontrolled labour party for all our sakes as labour will run out of money no matter how much they tax the rich
Just a few short weeks ago Boris was ahead in the polls and ratings but look at him now
If Bozza stands firm keeps the country open and lots and lots of people die (I am suggesting a possible, not a probable scenario here, but let's assume for a moment. It is bad) how does Johnson get out of that having disregarded SAGE advice? Rocks and hard places.
He's in an absolutely terrible bind. I almost feel for him. No, I DO feel for him just a little bit.
It's amazing how things have changed for Johnson and Starmer. 7 months ago, utter uncaveated triumph for BJ, he wins where no Tory could ever dream of winning, and it is him not the party, everyone knows this. When he goes there to celebrate a mighty blimp is raised in the sky above the town he’s conquered. It grins and waves, as do the people who’ve turned out in their hundreds, Hartlepool is his oyster and so, it seems, is the country. He is, at this moment, quite literally a Muscly Magnificence, no data or BMI calculations necessary. The questions are only how much bigger than 80 his next majority will be and for how many terms he will sit astride his throne and shi .. gaze upon his people.
By contrast SKS is feeling lower than a snake’s belly. The questions swirling around him are of the opposite ilk. How much longer can this dreary little man carry on? How on earth can he ever cut through as leader of HM Opposition when he can’t pop a metaphor or wear a beanie or struggle in entertaining fashion to open a brolly? Surely he has to go and make way for someone with the buckets of brio needed to take on a bloke who can do all of this and more in his sleep. Names like the Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, are mooted, or the Mayor of South Yorkshire, Dan Jarvis. Or maybe Lisa Nandy.
It was that extreme - hero vs zero. I remember a PMQs shortly afterwards where the stark difference in the status and confidence of the 2 men was writ so large it was kind of embarrassing. Johnson, his ‘born to rule’ voice booming, blond locks akimbo, absolutely full of it, outright toying with the earnest charisma-challenged technocrat with normcore hair and aspirational nasaly tones facing him across the despatch box. One’s heart went out to Keir if one had a heart. It was like watching a joust between a world class Palladium level song & dance man who can also do comedy and a bog standard ordinary person. It really was.
And yet now, here we are. The big switcheroo. Starmer is rampant and Johnson is standing on a stool with his pants down. He’s doing the toying, Johnson is the toy. He has a real shot at the title, Johnson might well be looking at a one-way ticket to Palookaville. Politics eh. Don’t you just love it.
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Pointless tho. Germany will be Das Plague Republik in about a week. And as for Belgium, Holland, Denmark....
Not to mention the genuinely vulnerable. Friends of ours have an 18 yo daughter with Crohn's Disease. The whole family is basically shut down for fear of one of these selfish arses potentially killing her. She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
Yes the freedom of an individual to not have a jab that may save their own life comes at the cost of greater risk for people who can't be vaccinated, and people who are clinically vulnerable, as well as disrupting the treatments of other people who need healthcare. It's an inhumane freedom.
Sorry but no. Everyone is responsible for their own choices.
If people don't want to get vaccinated that's their choice. Nobody should ever force medical treatment on someone who doesn't want it.
If that increases risk for others then the others will have to manage their own risk. Not force themselves on others.
The unvaccinated should be taxed to fund the NHS or left to die without treatment but they should never be compelled to do what they don't want to do. Nor should others.
Frost who originally thought it was crazy to leave the single market did a Truss and joined the Brexit Death Cult . Then he went over to Brussels threatened the EU , started making up new demands on the NI protocol which weren’t an issue a year ago and then flounced off after they told him to go fxck himself ! Have I missed anything out !
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Punished for our excellent surveillance and being open. Ironic really, it’s what we did to SA...
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
It might make sense to restrict us now, as we did with southern Africa. Once omicron is in and has a bit of steam from doubling you might as well lift it though. It'll be everywhere in short order, restrictions should lift in a week or two.
The interesting thing in the small print is the jockeying for position / breifing. Sunak briefing he is against restrictions, while some unknown person says bloody Gove wants to lock us up forever and Javid also want more restrictions.
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
I respected the liberal Boris who was prepared to stand up to the EU and who was instinctively opposed to restrictions unless absolutely necessary.
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
If Boris introduces another lockdown I fear Farage may return to reclaim voters Boris won back for the Tories in 2019
The problem as I see it is there are 100 plus conservative mps, and now Frost , who seem to be morphing into the Republican party and absolutely not on the side of British opinion
The irony is that Boris is more in tune with the public on covid and green issues than the conservative party and unless they get a grip, they are heading into years in the wilderness and handing the country over to a fiscally incoherent labour party
I only hope that in all this the lib dems do very well in 24, and are able to act as a brake on an uncontrolled labour party for all our sakes as labour will run out of money no matter how much they tax the rich
Just a few short weeks ago Boris was ahead in the polls and ratings but look at him now
If Bozza stands firm keeps the country open and lots and lots of people die (I am suggesting a possible, not a probable scenario here, but let's assume for a moment. It is bad) how does Johnson get out of that having disregarded SAGE advice? Rocks and hard places.
He's in an absolutely terrible bind. I almost feel for him. No, I DO feel for him just a little bit.
It's amazing how things have changed for Johnson and Starmer. 7 months ago, utter uncaveated triumph for BJ, he wins where no Tory could ever dream of winning, and it is him not the party, everyone knows this. When he goes there to celebrate a mighty blimp is raised in the sky above the town he’s conquered. It grins and waves, as do the people who’ve turned out in their hundreds, Hartlepool is his oyster and so, it seems, is the country. He is, at this moment, quite literally a Muscly Magnificence, no data or BMI calculations necessary. The questions are only how much bigger than 80 his next majority will be and for how many terms he will sit astride his throne and shi .. gaze upon his people.
By contrast SKS is feeling lower than a snake’s belly. The questions swirling around him are of the opposite ilk. How much longer can this dreary little man carry on? How on earth can he ever cut through as leader of HM Opposition when he can’t pop a metaphor or wear a beanie or struggle in entertaining fashion to open a brolly? Surely he has to go and make way for someone with the buckets of brio needed to take on a bloke who can do all of this and more in his sleep. Names like the Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, are mooted, or the Mayor of South Yorkshire, Dan Jarvis. Or maybe Lisa Nandy.
It was that extreme - hero vs zero. I remember a PMQs shortly afterwards where the stark difference in the status and confidence of the 2 men was writ so large it was kind of embarrassing. Johnson, his ‘born to rule’ voice booming, blond locks akimbo, absolutely full of it, outright toying with the earnest charisma-challenged technocrat with normcore hair and aspirational nasaly tones facing him across the despatch box. One’s heart went out to Keir if one had a heart. It was like watching a joust between a world class Palladium level song & dance man who can also do comedy and a bog standard ordinary person. It really was.
And yet now, here we are. The big switcheroo. Starmer is rampant and Johnson is standing on a stool with his pants down. He’s doing the toying, Johnson is the toy. He has a real shot at the title, Johnson might well be looking at a one-way ticket to Palookaville. Politics eh. Don’t you just love it.
No, that's bollocks
Starmer has remained what he always was. A tedious technocrat. Charmless but competent. Meh but OK
All the action is all on the Boris side, the Bozza has imploded like a great red giant star becoming a black hole. And now he threatens to suck in the entire Tory party with his negative gravitational pull
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Punished for our excellent surveillance and being open. Ironic really, it’s what we did to SA...
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
You, SeanT, used to argue with Snowflake (who didn’t?), but not your pathetic decoy “Leon”.
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Punished for our excellent surveillance and being open. Ironic really, it’s what we did to SA...
Punished by being forbidden the pleasure of travel to Dusseldorf in January. I can, somehow, cope
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Punished for our excellent surveillance and being open. Ironic really, it’s what we did to SA...
Frost who originally thought it was crazy to leave the single market did a Truss and joined the Brexit Death Cult . Then he went over to Brussels threatened the EU , started making up new demands on the NI protocol which weren’t an issue a year ago and then flounced off after they told him to go fxck himself ! Have I missed anything out !
He did a truly fantastic job, got a renegotiated deal and was on the right track with the Protocol too.
One of the best Ministers we've ever had in my memory. A major loss and Boris should be ashamed to lose him.
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
It might make sense to restrict us now, as we did with southern Africa. Once omicron is in and has a bit of steam from doubling you might as well lift it though. It'll be everywhere in short order, restrictions should lift in a week or two.
Denmark of course is already really bad, as is Holland. France its well seeded. Even if it isn't widespread in Germany, their neighbours have it already.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
You, SeanT, used to argue with Snowflake (who didn’t?), but not your pathetic decoy “Leon”.
Who the fuck are you? Never met you before. Fuck off
Frost who originally thought it was crazy to leave the single market did a Truss and joined the Brexit Death Cult . Then he went over to Brussels threatened the EU , started making up new demands on the NI protocol which weren’t an issue a year ago and then flounced off after they told him to go fxck himself ! Have I missed anything out !
He did a truly fantastic job, got a renegotiated deal and was on the right track with the Protocol too.
One of the best Ministers we've ever had in my memory. A major loss and Boris should be ashamed to lose him.
Why Frost is a clown full of his own self importance who was out of his depth and a continual embarrassment to the country , a bit like the other clown in no 10.
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Punished for our excellent surveillance and being open. Ironic really, it’s what we did to SA...
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
You, SeanT, used to argue with Snowflake (who didn’t?), but not your pathetic decoy “Leon”.
Who the fuck are you? Never met you before. Fuck off
If Boris now agrees the negotiated offer with the EU and additionally the fishing licences with France then in a short time Brexit will be off the political agenda
Furthermore, despite all the controversies, and with the exception of SNP and Plaid, no other UK party wants to re-join the EU nor campaign for it at GE24
Of course not. The campaign will be to join the EEA to try and undo the utter disaster inflicted on British business by the Conservatives
Who will be campaigning at GE 24 for the EEA not that I am averse to it
Lib Dems quite probably. I suspect Labour will go for putting the "co-operation" back into the Trade + Co-operation agreement. Start with the easy wins, which will be enough to keep a full parliamentary term busy. Then either be forced into going closer faster as part of the coalition negotiations, or leave it for 2029-34.
When Boris said that Brexit needed to pull the UK completely out of the EU's gravitational field, he had a point. Without doing that, the UK would remain a distant orbit of Brussels, and gradually fall closer again, because each step would make sense.
What he missed was that wouldn't work. There might be a form of words describing how to do it, but not one that any politician could follow and get re-elected afterwards.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
You, SeanT, used to argue with Snowflake (who didn’t?), but not your pathetic decoy “Leon”.
Who the fuck are you? Never met you before. Fuck off
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
I respected the liberal Boris who was prepared to stand up to the EU and who was instinctively opposed to restrictions unless absolutely necessary.
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
If Boris introduces another lockdown I fear Farage may return to reclaim voters Boris won back for the Tories in 2019
The problem as I see it is there are 100 plus conservative mps, and now Frost , who seem to be morphing into the Republican party and absolutely not on the side of British opinion
The irony is that Boris is more in tune with the public on covid and green issues than the conservative party and unless they get a grip, they are heading into years in the wilderness and handing the country over to a fiscally incoherent labour party
I only hope that in all this the lib dems do very well in 24, and are able to act as a brake on an uncontrolled labour party for all our sakes as labour will run out of money no matter how much they tax the rich
Just a few short weeks ago Boris was ahead in the polls and ratings but look at him now
If Bozza stands firm keeps the country open and lots and lots of people die (I am suggesting a possible, not a probable scenario here, but let's assume for a moment. It is bad) how does Johnson get out of that having disregarded SAGE advice? Rocks and hard places.
Getting most people boosted will minimise hospitalisations and deaths.
However locking down again could see RefUK and Farage overtake the Tories and destroy the economy and many small businesses and would seal Boris' fate
It might make sense to restrict us now, as we did with southern Africa. Once omicron is in and has a bit of steam from doubling you might as well lift it though. It'll be everywhere in short order, restrictions should lift in a week or two.
It probably already is everywhere now. There are numerous stories from the US where the local authorities actually do a decent amount of testing and sequencing that show figures every bit as bad as we are seeing in London now.
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
Punished for our excellent surveillance and being open. Ironic really, it’s what we did to SA...
Punished by being forbidden the pleasure of travel to Dusseldorf in January. I can, somehow, cope
Thailand, mind. That's different.
*fervently prays*
You missing those knocking shops? I thought you'd put all that behind you.
Frost leaving under the shroud of Covid is rather disingenuous to Johnson.
My assertion is he has gone because he realised however hard he tries to bang the square peg into the round hole that is Northern Ireland it won't fit. And now the penny has dropped...
My hypothesis is that Frost is in league with Truss and this is something like a coup.
Also these people aren't serious. We're in a major Covid crisis.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
You, SeanT, used to argue with Snowflake (who didn’t?), but not your pathetic decoy “Leon”.
Who the fuck are you? Never met you before. Fuck off
He's a Swede Scottish Nationalist.
Unlike Malkie, who can be rather a sour one...
I get confused. They constantly switch identities
Isn't Stuart the slightly creepy hey-I'm-a-nudist weirdo Nat obsessed with scrotums?
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
I suppose you could formulate it the same way as Nick Bostrom's simulation argument, i.e. there are a finite number of people but a theoretical infinite number of bots, as bots proliferate (and become more advanced in their responses) there is an ever increasing chance you are talking to a bot, until you eventually reach a singularity where every interaction you have on the web is with a bot.
Bostrom is an overrated wanker, and the theory you attribute to him does not originate with him
I'm just suggesting that the same logic could be applied to the above conspiracy theory. Finite "real people", (near) infinite computing power creating a (near) infinite amount of bots. Therefore your odds of communicating with a real person online become (near) infinity to one against.
While I don't think that holds true for PB, I could actually easily see a situation when, say GPT-4 comes out in a few years time and twitter is overrun by bots that you can't tell them apart from real people. Heck, we know it's got a bot problem now.
I've already had that sensation. The weird feeling I've just had an argument with a computer. It was when I used to argue with Yvette Cooper, AKA Snowflake, on here
No, really. This is a major issue NOW. GPT3 can already make credible bots. The Chinese have meanwhile released their own "improved" non-Woke version. GPT4 will be ten times the size and is coming very soon. This is here and happening
You, SeanT, used to argue with Snowflake (who didn’t?), but not your pathetic decoy “Leon”.
Who the fuck are you? Never met you before. Fuck off
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
I respected the liberal Boris who was prepared to stand up to the EU and who was instinctively opposed to restrictions unless absolutely necessary.
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
If Boris introduces another lockdown I fear Farage may return to reclaim voters Boris won back for the Tories in 2019
The problem as I see it is there are 100 plus conservative mps, and now Frost , who seem to be morphing into the Republican party and absolutely not on the side of British opinion
The irony is that Boris is more in tune with the public on covid and green issues than the conservative party and unless they get a grip, they are heading into years in the wilderness and handing the country over to a fiscally incoherent labour party
I only hope that in all this the lib dems do very well in 24, and are able to act as a brake on an uncontrolled labour party for all our sakes as labour will run out of money no matter how much they tax the rich
Just a few short weeks ago Boris was ahead in the polls and ratings but look at him now
If Bozza stands firm keeps the country open and lots and lots of people die (I am suggesting a possible, not a probable scenario here, but let's assume for a moment. It is bad) how does Johnson get out of that having disregarded SAGE advice? Rocks and hard places.
He's in an absolutely terrible bind. I almost feel for him. No, I DO feel for him just a little bit.
It's amazing how things have changed for Johnson and Starmer. 7 months ago, utter uncaveated triumph for BJ, he wins where no Tory could ever dream of winning, and it is him not the party, everyone knows this. When he goes there to celebrate a mighty blimp is raised in the sky above the town he’s conquered. It grins and waves, as do the people who’ve turned out in their hundreds, Hartlepool is his oyster and so, it seems, is the country. He is, at this moment, quite literally a Muscly Magnificence, no data or BMI calculations necessary. The questions are only how much bigger than 80 his next majority will be and for how many terms he will sit astride his throne and shi .. gaze upon his people.
By contrast SKS is feeling lower than a snake’s belly. The questions swirling around him are of the opposite ilk. How much longer can this dreary little man carry on? How on earth can he ever cut through as leader of HM Opposition when he can’t pop a metaphor or wear a beanie or struggle in entertaining fashion to open a brolly? Surely he has to go and make way for someone with the buckets of brio needed to take on a bloke who can do all of this and more in his sleep. Names like the Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, are mooted, or the Mayor of South Yorkshire, Dan Jarvis. Or maybe Lisa Nandy.
It was that extreme - hero vs zero. I remember a PMQs shortly afterwards where the stark difference in the status and confidence of the 2 men was writ so large it was kind of embarrassing. Johnson, his ‘born to rule’ voice booming, blond locks akimbo, absolutely full of it, outright toying with the earnest charisma-challenged technocrat with normcore hair and aspirational nasaly tones facing him across the despatch box. One’s heart went out to Keir if one had a heart. It was like watching a joust between a world class Palladium level song & dance man who can also do comedy and a bog standard ordinary person. It really was.
And yet now, here we are. The big switcheroo. Starmer is rampant and Johnson is standing on a stool with his pants down. He’s doing the toying, Johnson is the toy. He has a real shot at the title, Johnson might well be looking at a one-way ticket to Palookaville. Politics eh. Don’t you just love it.
Thanks. A terrific description of how it is that for some strange people following politics is one of the great art forms. And from about 2015 until 22.02 today as I write there has almost never been a dull moment. And I cannot begin to foresee when it will become dull again. Not a single one of the issues facing us in, say, 2015 has been resolved or looks likely to be and several more insoluble problems have been added to the mix.
Frost leaving under the shroud of Covid is rather disingenuous to Johnson.
My assertion is he has gone because he realised however hard he tries to bang the square peg into the round hole that is Northern Ireland it won't fit. And now the penny has dropped...
My hypothesis is that Frost is in league with Truss and this is something like a coup.
Also these people aren't serious. We're in a major Covid crisis.
Frost leaving under the shroud of Covid is rather disingenuous to Johnson.
My assertion is he has gone because he realised however hard he tries to bang the square peg into the round hole that is Northern Ireland it won't fit. And now the penny has dropped...
My hypothesis is that Frost is in league with Truss and this is something like a coup.
Also these people aren't serious. We're in a major Covid crisis.
Frost leaving under the shroud of Covid is rather disingenuous to Johnson.
My assertion is he has gone because he realised however hard he tries to bang the square peg into the round hole that is Northern Ireland it won't fit. And now the penny has dropped...
My hypothesis is that Frost is in league with Truss and this is something like a coup.
Also these people aren't serious. We're in a major Covid crisis.
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
I respected the liberal Boris who was prepared to stand up to the EU and who was instinctively opposed to restrictions unless absolutely necessary.
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
If Boris introduces another lockdown I fear Farage may return to reclaim voters Boris won back for the Tories in 2019
The problem as I see it is there are 100 plus conservative mps, and now Frost , who seem to be morphing into the Republican party and absolutely not on the side of British opinion
The irony is that Boris is more in tune with the public on covid and green issues than the conservative party and unless they get a grip, they are heading into years in the wilderness and handing the country over to a fiscally incoherent labour party
I only hope that in all this the lib dems do very well in 24, and are able to act as a brake on an uncontrolled labour party for all our sakes as labour will run out of money no matter how much they tax the rich
Just a few short weeks ago Boris was ahead in the polls and ratings but look at him now
If Bozza stands firm keeps the country open and lots and lots of people die (I am suggesting a possible, not a probable scenario here, but let's assume for a moment. It is bad) how does Johnson get out of that having disregarded SAGE advice? Rocks and hard places.
Getting most people boosted will minimise hospitalisations and deaths.
However locking down again could see RefUK and Farage overtake the Tories and destroy the economy and many small businesses and would seal Boris' fate
You live in a fantasy
The public will embrace it if it is needed and you are only confirming your republican tendencies
The one thing it will do is split the conservative party and send it into opposition for years
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Who negotiated Brexit at great cost,
The Irish did say,
Please go away,
So he said to Boris "Get lost!"
https://twitter.com/AntonSpisak/status/1472313919549153289
https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1472305756846366721
If Boris is too much of a pussy to invoke that, as well as too much of a pussy to tell Whitty we are never locking down again then that just shows how pissweak and pathetic Boris has become.
Boris has all the backbone of a quivering pile of jelly now it seems. Any failure belongs to Boris personally. Article 16 remains the right solution.
She's a bright kid who ought to be going to Russell Group. Won't be any time soon.
Patel might have been wiser pressing the do not send button on her phone or laptop or phone.
- A week ago EU journalists told UK dropped ECJ demand.
- This then denied by Downing St
- Then Thursday new approach by UK govt emerges confirming what European journalists told.
- Sat Lord Frost resigns over "covid"
- https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1472320533609992195
Also. It is the psychology. You can't account for how folk feel.
(I occasionally idle away the minutes when my C++ code is compiling by trolling the comments section of a local newspaper website. The regulars are absolutely convinced I’m the high-profile deputy leader of a major local council. I clearly am not - I’ve never met the guy and we’re in different parties - but it’s highly amusing…)
I have Crohns, was not even a Severely Clinically Vulnerable illness.
Not remotely a reason to lock yourself away for any covid reason.
if this achieves it, then it will be done. The unionists will object, but then they will realise it leaves them in a pretty favourable economic position, uniquely in the UK and EU single markets, and with Freedom of Movement yet also the protection of the NHS
That position will be sustainable for a generation, easily
"Frost-ie the Go Man!
Did a very righteous thing!
He resigned his post for freedom!
Happy libertarian PBers sing!"
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If Boris now agrees the negotiated offer with the EU and additionally the fishing licences with France then in a short time Brexit will be off the political agenda
Furthermore, despite all the controversies, and with the exception of SNP and Plaid, no other UK party wants to re-join the EU nor campaign for it at GE24
It seems for Brexit and Covid combined the one MP speaking sense is Steve Baker. Maybe he should be next PM?
✍️ James Forsyth
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/lord-frost-s-resignation-is-a-brutal-blow-to-boris-johnson
Face it PT, Brexit is dead. They just haven’t announced the funeral date yet. No flowers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59710649
Interesting he was so brave in saying what is happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyAEOT7aYiE
BREAKING: Germany to class the UK as a virus variant area from Monday, restricting travel from the UK to Germany. It’s been announced tonight by the Robert Koch Institute. More details to come… https://twitter.com/spiegel_eil/status/1472321450111610885
It's amazing how things have changed for Johnson and Starmer. 7 months ago, utter uncaveated triumph for BJ, he wins where no Tory could ever dream of winning, and it is him not the party, everyone knows this. When he goes there to celebrate a mighty blimp is raised in the sky above the town he’s conquered. It grins and waves, as do the people who’ve turned out in their hundreds, Hartlepool is his oyster and so, it seems, is the country. He is, at this moment, quite literally a Muscly Magnificence, no data or BMI calculations necessary. The questions are only how much bigger than 80 his next majority will be and for how many terms he will sit astride his throne and shi .. gaze upon his people.
By contrast SKS is feeling lower than a snake’s belly. The questions swirling around him are of the opposite ilk. How much longer can this dreary little man carry on? How on earth can he ever cut through as leader of HM Opposition when he can’t pop a metaphor or wear a beanie or struggle in entertaining fashion to open a brolly? Surely he has to go and make way for someone with the buckets of brio needed to take on a bloke who can do all of this and more in his sleep. Names like the Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, are mooted, or the Mayor of South Yorkshire, Dan Jarvis. Or maybe Lisa Nandy.
It was that extreme - hero vs zero. I remember a PMQs shortly afterwards where the stark difference in the status and confidence of the 2 men was writ so large it was kind of embarrassing. Johnson, his ‘born to rule’ voice booming, blond locks akimbo, absolutely full of it, outright toying with the earnest charisma-challenged technocrat with normcore hair and aspirational nasaly tones facing him across the despatch box. One’s heart went out to Keir if one had a heart. It was like watching a joust between a world class Palladium level song & dance man who can also do comedy and a bog standard ordinary person. It really was.
And yet now, here we are. The big switcheroo. Starmer is rampant and Johnson is standing on a stool with his pants down. He’s doing the toying, Johnson is the toy. He has a real shot at the title, Johnson might well be looking at a one-way ticket to Palookaville. Politics eh. Don’t you just love it.
If people don't want to get vaccinated that's their choice. Nobody should ever force medical treatment on someone who doesn't want it.
If that increases risk for others then the others will have to manage their own risk. Not force themselves on others.
The unvaccinated should be taxed to fund the NHS or left to die without treatment but they should never be compelled to do what they don't want to do. Nor should others.
It'll be everywhere in short order, restrictions should lift in a week or two.
Starmer has remained what he always was. A tedious technocrat. Charmless but competent. Meh but OK
All the action is all on the Boris side, the Bozza has imploded like a great red giant star becoming a black hole. And now he threatens to suck in the entire Tory party with his negative gravitational pull
Thailand, mind. That's different.
*fervently prays*
'The gravest crisis since the Roman invasion.'
'No no! What about the Viking invasion?'
'And the Norman invasion?'
'And the Swiss invasion?'
'Well, at any rate the gravest crisis for some time.'
One of the best Ministers we've ever had in my memory. A major loss and Boris should be ashamed to lose him.
edit: snap Turbotubbs!
When Boris said that Brexit needed to pull the UK completely out of the EU's gravitational field, he had a point. Without doing that, the UK would remain a distant orbit of Brussels, and gradually fall closer again, because each step would make sense.
What he missed was that wouldn't work. There might be a form of words describing how to do it, but not one that any politician could follow and get re-elected afterwards.
In the face of the spread of Covid-19 as infections surge in the UK, British Airways have suspended all their flights travelling to Bangkok until October of next year. Rum... https://twitter.com/ThaigerNews/status/1472198963969150980/photo/1
Unlike Malkie, who can be rather a sour one...
However locking down again could see RefUK and Farage overtake the Tories and destroy the economy and many small businesses and would seal Boris' fate
Also these people aren't serious. We're in a major Covid crisis.
Isn't Stuart the slightly creepy hey-I'm-a-nudist weirdo Nat obsessed with scrotums?
Let Covid rip. It doesn't matter.
The public will embrace it if it is needed and you are only confirming your republican tendencies
The one thing it will do is split the conservative party and send it into opposition for years
So strictly speaking he has fooled everyone who thinks this is his third...
No. Just NO