Frost seems to have resigned based on a checklist of lazy right wing tropes. He’s become more Redwood than Redwood.
It actually makes me question my lockdown-scepticism.
If Tory rebellion against Boris is based on Frost’s bugbears then they are buggered. It’s like the people who decided Ed Miliband wasn’t left wing enough.
Better than falling to third behind Labour and RefUK which could happen if Boris introduces more lockdowns. In which case a Canada 1993 style Tory meltdown would be in prospect
If it's true and Frost has resigned because of Plan B that closes down lockdown options even further for Boris. He's far too weak to now to push the lockdown past the party, the failure of the SAGE models post July has made Tory MPs very sceptical about anything they get told by the government on predictions of catastrophe so they can't scaremonger their way out of it either.
All the same, Govt payroll + Tory lockdown hawks + Labour easily gives him the votes to lock us all up again.
And trigger a VONC in Boris overnight which he loses because the payroll vote don't like him very much either.
Sunak has a choice. Either resign or keep the keys to the treasury.
Resigning makes him prohibitive favourite for the job I think.
Frost resigning reminds me of David Davis resigning after Chequers, which forced Johnson to do likewise. This is the moment where every other ambitious Cabinet Minister starts to worry that staying does more damage to their career than resigning.
De-prioritising unvaccinated people for NHS care is a bit like charging non-UK citizens for NHS care - it may be the right thing to do, but it's not something the NHS is set up to do. It wouldn't work in the real world.
This Frost departure is an absolutely major story. Frost owes his political career, and position in general to Johnson. Brexit is all Frosts work. There is no worse departure, everyone else in the cabinet is disposable. I would say that it is all over for Johnson.
Chicken and egg, I am thinking. Frost owes his career to Johnson and sees a shoogly peg with no great future and decides to get out.
Johnson can replace Frost with Steve Baker. Why not? Baker's in charge anyway.
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
Never mind opinion polling, look at actual outcomes, and bear in mind that polling is done by online panels these days. Shire tories don't do online panels, they just vote, or not.You had con maj 80 and you didn't use it to repeal the Hunting Act. Sure, you never said you were going to, and there were stacks of reasons not to. Equally, we never said we would vote for you in 2023...
North Shropshire was just Boris' Christchurch. It went LD in 1993 on a huge by election swing but the Tories still won it back in 1997 even despite a landslide defeat nationally
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
Never mind opinion polling, look at actual outcomes, and bear in mind that polling is done by online panels these days. Shire tories don't do online panels, they just vote, or not.You had con maj 80 and you didn't use it to repeal the Hunting Act. Sure, you never said you were going to, and there were stacks of reasons not to. Equally, we never said we would vote for you in 2023...
North Shropshire was just Boris' Christchurch. It went LD in 1993 on a huge by election swing but the Tories still won it back in 1997 even despite a landslide defeat nationally
So has Frost quit because the PM refuses to let him fix the shit deal negotiated in error by the idiot Frost?
Or because the PM hasn't a fucking clue what any of it means and keeps saying "renegotiate", "trigger Article 16" etc as if that would do anything good?
Either way, pity he isn't in the commons. His resignation speech could have been interesting...
Seems it is not EU related but objection to plan b, tax rises and the green agenda
Another conservative out of touch with public oponion
Are there any Conservatives not out of touch with public opinion?
The Labour Party, bless them, are toiling under the illusion that massive new restrictions are really popular
"Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: “Boris Johnson cannot allow his weakened authority within his party to prevent him from taking the decisions that might be necessary to protect public health. He may no longer be able to rely on the votes of his own MPs, but Labour’s message to the prime minister and the health secretary is that we stand ready to do what is right in the national interest.”"
The Labour Party, bless them, are toiling under the illusion that massive new restrictions are really popular
"Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: “Boris Johnson cannot allow his weakened authority within his party to prevent him from taking the decisions that might be necessary to protect public health. He may no longer be able to rely on the votes of his own MPs, but Labour’s message to the prime minister and the health secretary is that we stand ready to do what is right in the national interest.”"
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
Lord Frost's resignation is the biggest political blow Boris Johnson has suffered so far. It will reenforce a feeling of bunker mentality. Difficult to see who can replace him. MPs on the Brexit right trust Frost not Johnson. What now for the NI Protocol?
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
Never mind opinion polling, look at actual outcomes, and bear in mind that polling is done by online panels these days. Shire tories don't do online panels, they just vote, or not.You had con maj 80 and you didn't use it to repeal the Hunting Act. Sure, you never said you were going to, and there were stacks of reasons not to. Equally, we never said we would vote for you in 2023...
North Shropshire was just Boris' Christchurch. It went LD in 1993 on a huge by election swing but the Tories still won it back in 1997 even despite a landslide defeat nationally
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
While SAGE have suggested one approach is to lockdown until sufficient antivaxxers get jabbed.
If Boris picks that, it will literally be the worst of both worlds....so nailed on he will.
@HYUFD seems to have gone for arrogance and denial now, very similar to what some Labour supporters did during/after GE19.
No, Labour held the inner cities even in 2019, they are Labour's heartland as the rural areas and small market towns are the Tories heartland.
It is suburbs and the commuter belt and ex industrial areas that are the marginal and swing areas
The areas that stayed Tory even in 1997 are abandoning you
They aren't, otherwise Labour would be 20%+ ahead.
The LDs won Christchurch in a 1993 by election on an even bigger swing than North Shropshire last Thursday. However the Conservatives still won Christchurch back at the 1997 general election despite a heavy defeat nationally
Lord Frost's resignation is the biggest political blow Boris Johnson has suffered so far. It will reenforce a feeling of bunker mentality. Difficult to see who can replace him. MPs on the Brexit right trust Frost not Johnson. What now for the NI Protocol?
The Labour Party, bless them, are toiling under the illusion that massive new restrictions are really popular
"Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: “Boris Johnson cannot allow his weakened authority within his party to prevent him from taking the decisions that might be necessary to protect public health. He may no longer be able to rely on the votes of his own MPs, but Labour’s message to the prime minister and the health secretary is that we stand ready to do what is right in the national interest.”"
The government is clearly in meltdown, but let us not under-estimate the capacity of the Opposition to be completely crap, AT THE SAME TIME
They are 9 points ahead but yes totally crap
Within the living memory of a gerbil, your party was led by an IRA-supporting, Hamas-loving, jihadist-hugging quasi-Marxist Jew-hater. I wouldn't get too carried away with your polling success just yet.
The government is imploding, but they have years to recover. I suspect Boris will have to go, tho
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
While SAGE have suggested one approach is to lockdown until sufficient antivaxxers get jabbed.
If Boris picks that, it will literally be the worst of both worlds....so nailed on he will.
What would you do Franny? Waiting for your wisdom based on your expertise in mathematical modelling.
@HYUFD seems to have gone for arrogance and denial now, very similar to what some Labour supporters did during/after GE19.
No, Labour held the inner cities even in 2019, they are Labour's heartland as the rural areas and small market towns are the Tories heartland.
It is suburbs and the commuter belt and ex industrial areas that are the marginal and swing areas
The areas that stayed Tory even in 1997 are abandoning you
They aren't, otherwise Labour would be 20%+ ahead
The LDs won Christchurch in a 1993 by election on an even bigger swing than North Shropshire last Thursday. However the Conservatives still won Christchurch back at the 1997 general election despite a heavy defeat nationally
The past doesn't always predict the future. I guess we'll see!
People shouldn't get ahead of themselves but neither should you be complacent.
The Labour Party, bless them, are toiling under the illusion that massive new restrictions are really popular
"Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: “Boris Johnson cannot allow his weakened authority within his party to prevent him from taking the decisions that might be necessary to protect public health. He may no longer be able to rely on the votes of his own MPs, but Labour’s message to the prime minister and the health secretary is that we stand ready to do what is right in the national interest.”"
The Labour Party, bless them, are toiling under the illusion that massive new restrictions are really popular
"Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: “Boris Johnson cannot allow his weakened authority within his party to prevent him from taking the decisions that might be necessary to protect public health. He may no longer be able to rely on the votes of his own MPs, but Labour’s message to the prime minister and the health secretary is that we stand ready to do what is right in the national interest.”"
The government is clearly in meltdown, but let us not under-estimate the capacity of the Opposition to be completely crap, AT THE SAME TIME
They are 9 points ahead but yes totally crap
Within the living memory of a gerbil, your party was led by an IRA-supporting, Hamas-loving, jihadist-hugging quasi-Marxist Jew-hater. I wouldn't get too carried away with your polling success just yet.
The government is imploding, but they have years to recover. I suspect Boris will have to go, tho
And now they're not, your party is run by a man totally unfit to be PM and now as unpopular as Jeremy Corbyn.
At least Johnson doesn't change his identity every week
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
How about Chesham and Amersham?
Chesham and Amersham is far more likely to stay LD at the next general election than North Shropshire and has a bigger LD majority too
🚨🚨 | BREAKING: One option the government is considering is imposing a time limited circuit breaker, and then the release of restrictions is linked to how many of us get vaccinated
Lord Frost's resignation is the biggest political blow Boris Johnson has suffered so far. It will reenforce a feeling of bunker mentality. Difficult to see who can replace him. MPs on the Brexit right trust Frost not Johnson. What now for the NI Protocol?
Does this mean they’ll get an even more odious character in to threaten the EU as Frost says Bozo has gone soft and he will feel he needs to declare war on the EU to deflect from all his problems .
@HYUFD seems to have gone for arrogance and denial now, very similar to what some Labour supporters did during/after GE19.
No, Labour held the inner cities even in 2019, they are Labour's heartland as the rural areas and small market towns are the Tories heartland.
It is suburbs and the commuter belt and ex industrial areas that are the marginal and swing areas
The areas that stayed Tory even in 1997 are abandoning you
They aren't, otherwise Labour would be 20%+ ahead
The LDs won Christchurch in a 1993 by election on an even bigger swing than North Shropshire last Thursday. However the Conservatives still won Christchurch back at the 1997 general election despite a heavy defeat nationally
The past doesn't always predict the future. I guess we'll see!
People shouldn't get ahead of themselves but neither should you be complacent.
In terms of polls it does. The Conservatives would need to be polling under 20% to be at risk of losing North Shropshire at a general election rather than just a midterm by election protest vote
@HYUFD seems to have gone for arrogance and denial now, very similar to what some Labour supporters did during/after GE19.
No, Labour held the inner cities even in 2019, they are Labour's heartland as the rural areas and small market towns are the Tories heartland.
It is suburbs and the commuter belt and ex industrial areas that are the marginal and swing areas
The areas that stayed Tory even in 1997 are abandoning you
They aren't, otherwise Labour would be 20%+ ahead
The LDs won Christchurch in a 1993 by election on an even bigger swing than North Shropshire last Thursday. However the Conservatives still won Christchurch back at the 1997 general election despite a heavy defeat nationally
The past doesn't always predict the future. I guess we'll see!
People shouldn't get ahead of themselves but neither should you be complacent.
In terms of polls it does. The Conservatives would need to be polling under 20% to be at risk of losing North Shropshire at a general election rather than just a midterm by election protest vote
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
Never mind opinion polling, look at actual outcomes, and bear in mind that polling is done by online panels these days. Shire tories don't do online panels, they just vote, or not.You had con maj 80 and you didn't use it to repeal the Hunting Act. Sure, you never said you were going to, and there were stacks of reasons not to. Equally, we never said we would vote for you in 2023...
North Shropshire was just Boris' Christchurch. It went LD in 1993 on a huge by election swing but the Tories still won it back in 1997 even despite a landslide defeat nationally
I think North Shropshire was Boris’ Eastbourne.
It's a little different.
In one, a well respected MP (and former PPS to the Prime Minister) was cruelly murdered by the IRA.
In another, a troughing MP - who refused to even admit that he might have done wrong - resigned.
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
While SAGE have suggested one approach is to lockdown until sufficient antivaxxers get jabbed.
If Boris picks that, it will literally be the worst of both worlds....so nailed on he will.
What would you do Franny? Waiting for your wisdom based on your expertise in mathematical modelling.
Um, Arsey, Franny practically bemerded himself with astonishment a few days ago at the revelation that the fact of omicron being first identified in South Africa, does not imply that omicron originated in South Africa. Trust no one.
Well never fear, if we do go to another lockdown at least we can speculate on the earth shattering prospect of Cheltenham and Guildford going LD at the next general election to keep us going through the dark nights alone
That post is going to look a lot less droll, when it happens. You just have no idea how irrevocably you lot have lost the shire tory vote. I can promise you NS was not all about a moment's pique over a Christmas party or two.
We haven't, the rural Tory vote will be back at the next general election if the Tories do not push though more and more lockdowns (in which case it would go RefUK) this was a protest vote over partygate. Though the suburban and commuter belt Tory vote will be more of a challenge.
"People say Peter Mandelson is only interested in politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Labour party poilitics."
"People say HYUFD is only interested in Tory party politics, but that overstates the breadth of his interests. He is only interested in Epping Forest Tory party poilitics."
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you the rural tory vote won't be back. It will vote LD or stay home.
That is rubbish, if that was the case the LDs would be polling 30%+ in general election polls not just 10% and the Tories would be polling under 20%.
North Shropshire was a by election protest vote that is it. If the LDs do gain Tory seats at the next general election they will be in mainly Remain voting parts of London and cities and towns in the South as OGH's chart shows not in Leave voting rural areas
Never mind opinion polling, look at actual outcomes, and bear in mind that polling is done by online panels these days. Shire tories don't do online panels, they just vote, or not.You had con maj 80 and you didn't use it to repeal the Hunting Act. Sure, you never said you were going to, and there were stacks of reasons not to. Equally, we never said we would vote for you in 2023...
North Shropshire was just Boris' Christchurch. It went LD in 1993 on a huge by election swing but the Tories still won it back in 1997 even despite a landslide defeat nationally
I think North Shropshire was Boris’ Eastbourne.
Eastbourne of course also went back to the Tories at the 1992 general election, albeit under a different Tory PM from the one who lost the 1990 by election to the LDs
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
Does this mean they’ll get an even more odious character in to threaten the EU as Frost says Bozo has gone soft and he will feel he needs to declare war on the EU to deflect from all his problems .
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
Which is vaxxports, basically - no anti vaxxers allowed in pubs, stadia, shops, transport etc - would be tough to enforce, but I would like to see it happen if it means keeping more things open for the rest of us
One exception should be allowed - Piers should be forced to spend Xmas with Jeremy
If the stories replace Boris with an ultra-Thatcherite tax cutter I really think they’re misreading the room. Might shore up a couple of Home Counties blue wall seats but will lose many others around the country.
🚨🚨 | BREAKING: One option the government is considering is imposing a time limited circuit breaker, and then the release of restrictions is linked to how many of us get vaccinated
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
Although of there hadn’t been a 2019 election then there’d be an election coming up in May.
Just like this lockdown they want won't be a lockdown either, it will be the "show the NHS you love it by staying home" guidance meaning people who don't stay home hate nurses and will be spat at in the street.
Two classic US college men's basketball match-ups now being broadcast on my humble free TV
> Indiana U versus U of Notre Dame, at South Bend, Indiana
> U of Louisville versus Western Kentucky U, at Bowling Green, Kentucky
In other words, two of the biggest in-state rivalries, in two of the most basketball-mad states in the Union.
Broadcast of UL v WKU game just featured fundraising appeals for victims of tornadoes that recently slammed through Bowling Green and other Midwest & Upper South areas recently.
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
There’s another danger for PM and you can see it in the Mail copy-he is now “embattled.” It’s a nasty adjective (like “beleaguered”) usually attached to a politician on the skids. The sense of repeated crisis is dangerous for a PM’s reputation with the public (see Brown and May). https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1472305346899288065
Just like this lockdown they want won't be a lockdown either, it will be the "show the NHS you love it by staying home" guidance meaning people who don't stay home hate nurses and will be spat at in the street.
Max, I think the NHS does a good job. What about you?
. . .Yet each man kills the thing he loves, By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword! Some kill their love when they are young, And some when they are old; Some strangle with the hands of Lust, Some with the hands of Gold: The kindest use a knife, because The dead so soon grow cold. Some love too little, some too long, Some sell, and others buy; Some do the deed with many tears, And some without a sigh: For each man kills the thing he loves, Yet each man does not die. . . .
Just like this lockdown they want won't be a lockdown either, it will be the "show the NHS you love it by staying home" guidance meaning people who don't stay home hate nurses and will be spat at in the street.
Max, I think the NHS does a good job. What about you?
As someone who has used the NHS a lot, I think they do an acceptable job but it could be 1000% better.
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
Which is vaxxports, basically - no anti vaxxers allowed in pubs, stadia, shops, transport etc - would be tough to enforce, but I would like to see it happen if it means keeping more things open for the rest of us
One exception should be allowed - Piers should be forced to spend Xmas with Jeremy
The hardcore heel diggers aren't going to be put off by not being allowed into theatres and nightclubs - and, as you say, it would be a total pain in the arse for businesses to enforce. Some of the stubborn fucks won't take at all kindly to being told to naff off when they try to get into their local boozer, for example.
Vaccine certification will only work if it's tied to the ability to remain in employment or access social security, and neither this Government nor any likely alternative will apply that stick.
- Cheltenham - Winchester - Cambridgeshire South - Esher & Walton and - Guilford
They stand a decent chance in: - Eastbourne - Lewes
I don't rate their chances in Dunbartonshire East, Wimbledon*, Carshalton & Wallington or Sheffield Hallam.
* I reserve the right to reassess this prediction following the London locals this year.
I think South Cambs is extremely possible for the yellow peril. They already have two-thirds of the seats on the South Cambs District Council (which, to be fair, are not quite the same areas), and they came within 4% at GE 2019.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
However most voters do back negative tests and vaxports for hospitality venues
Interesting.
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
Which is vaxxports, basically - no anti vaxxers allowed in pubs, stadia, shops, transport etc - would be tough to enforce, but I would like to see it happen if it means keeping more things open for the rest of us
One exception should be allowed - Piers should be forced to spend Xmas with Jeremy
The hardcore heel diggers aren't going to be put off by not being allowed into theatres and nightclubs - and, as you say, it would be a total pain in the arse for businesses to enforce. Some of the stubborn fucks won't take at all kindly to being told to naff off when they try to get into their local boozer, for example.
Vaccine certification will only work if it's tied to the ability to remain in employment or access social security, and neither this Government nor any likely alternative will apply that stick.
Give the buggers double the NI increase to pay for the extra nurses they require
If we are locked down again to “save the NHS”, don’t expect me to clap for them.
I never did in the first place. Not because I don't appreciate the NHS and its workers. Mainly because it occurred at eight, at exactly the moment our son should be trying to get to sleep . It kept on waking him up in the first few weeks when it was really noisy ...
weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term...
Saved the country from a Marxist PM if Corbyn had won and the Tories from being replaced by the Brexit party as the main party of the right had they not delivered Brexit
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
Still beat Corbyn and got Brexit done
Corbyn beat Corbyn, and noone has got Brexit done (not even Frosty)
- Cheltenham - Winchester - Cambridgeshire South - Esher & Walton and - Guilford
They stand a decent chance in: - Eastbourne - Lewes
I don't rate their chances in Dunbartonshire East, Wimbledon*, Carshalton & Wallington or Sheffield Hallam.
* I reserve the right to reassess this prediction following the London locals this year.
*Guildford
They will have a good chance in East Dunbartonshire with a better candidate than Swinson.
They'd have won many of the targets by co-operating with Labour, not going with Swinson and Labour being less rubbish/scary
Labour and the Lib Dems could achieve a huge amount in both of their interests if they put their energy into an informal pact / non aggression agreement. Not least by making Labour less reliant on the SNP in a future hung parliament. Suits both parties, and to be honest probably suits the SNP too.
1. The only possible Brexit minister now is Peppa himself. Let's have his intellectual rigour and eye for detail on the job 2. I get how restrictions are unpopular. If as seems likely Omicron is going to keep tearing up the population then quitting to oppose new measures will be coinciding with the patients piling up in hospital. Ok so that's if, but "resign to stop lockdown types" are betting it won't escalate. And if it does, they are done.
If we are locked down again to “save the NHS”, don’t expect me to clap for them.
I never did in the first place. Not because I don't appreciate the NHS and its workers. Mainly because it occurred at eight, at exactly the moment our son should be trying to get to sleep . It kept on waking him up in the first few weeks when it was really noisy ...
Actually I think you can support the NHS and love what it stands for without feeling compelled to stand outside and clap.
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
Still beat Corbyn and got Brexit done
Corbyn beat Corbyn, and noone has got Brexit done (not even Frosty)
This Frost departure is an absolutely major story. Frost owes his political career, and position in general to Johnson. Brexit is all Frosts work. There is no worse departure, everyone else in the cabinet is disposable. I would say that it is all over for Johnson.
The EU would be loving it if only they gave they gave the tiniest shit what the UK are doing. Maybe a tiny chuckle as they watch Brexit implode.
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
If you're correct, Rishi sounds like the guy from Brazil who are they are trying to get done for war crimes. He's a brave man.
Frost leaving under the shroud of Covid is rather disingenuous to Johnson.
My assertion is he has gone because he realised however hard he tries to bang the square peg into the round hole that is Northern Ireland it won't fit. And now the penny has dropped...
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
If sunak resigns and claims it’s Boris’s fault because xyz blocked the support - implausible but I suspect he can find a reason
I think he'll blame it on Boris having a slow unlockdown schedule last time which left the nation without the money to run any generous schemes again. Remember this stuff costs ~£30-35bn per month to implement. Even a two month lockdown costs us at least £60bn. Where will the money come from?
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
Starting to think that the political choices the Conservative Party made in 2019 weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term. https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
Sunak's problem is that he dicked around not giving hospitality support.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
I think Rishi would simply reopen the country with no restrictions. People are voluntarily locking themselves in to avoid having to isolate over Xmas, not because they're scared of getting Omicron.
Yes but hospitality is bleeding out right now. Every day is another swathe of hospitality closing for good and owners/employees furious with the government.
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
Took my older daughter to Camden Market today. The main market was rammed, surprisingly, but then we discovered the new Food Court in the new market - Hawley Wharf.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
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Knew the sun was hot that day
So he said, "Let's run, and we'll have some fun
Now before I melt away."
https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/1472298873578270721
It is suburbs and the commuter belt and ex industrial areas that are the marginal and swing areas
Johnson can replace Frost with Steve Baker. Why not? Baker's in charge anyway.
https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1472300327730884611
"Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: “Boris Johnson cannot allow his weakened authority within his party to prevent him from taking the decisions that might be necessary to protect public health. He may no longer be able to rely on the votes of his own MPs, but Labour’s message to the prime minister and the health secretary is that we stand ready to do what is right in the national interest.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/18/uk-scientists-curbs-covid-infections-omicron-deaths-restrictions-sage
The government is clearly in meltdown, but let us not under-estimate the capacity of the Opposition to be completely crap, AT THE SAME TIME
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1472300861669969928
Basically, a strong majority is in favour of further restrictions on those who choose to be unvaccinated, while also being strongly against further restrictions on those got vaccinated just as they were told to.
There is a political dividend there in plain sight, for either the Government or Labour, depending on which is the first to dare to take on the increasingly small minority of self-indulgent idiots who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those of us who have done the right thing have run out of patience with them.
Politics, eh?
https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1472301100380393484
If Boris picks that, it will literally be the worst of both worlds....so nailed on he will.
The LDs won Christchurch in a 1993 by election on an even bigger swing than North Shropshire last Thursday. However the Conservatives still won Christchurch back at the 1997 general election despite a heavy defeat nationally
The government is imploding, but they have years to recover. I suspect Boris will have to go, tho
I have more faith in Frost than Boris.
(And ignoring boundary changes for the moment)
I think the LDs stand an excellent chance in:
- Cheltenham
- Winchester
- Cambridgeshire South
- Esher & Walton
and
- Guilford
They stand a decent chance in:
- Eastbourne
- Lewes
I don't rate their chances in Dunbartonshire East, Wimbledon*, Carshalton & Wallington or Sheffield Hallam.
* I reserve the right to reassess this prediction following the London locals this year.
People shouldn't get ahead of themselves but neither should you be complacent.
At least Johnson doesn't change his identity every week
'Narrator: it did not remain so and Lord Frost resigned.'
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/lord-frost-my-britain-is-country-with-no-mask-rules---and-no-vaccine-passports
If the police just shoot dead all the anti-vaxxers then lockdown will be over quicker, right?
In one, a well respected MP (and former PPS to the Prime Minister) was cruelly murdered by the IRA.
In another, a troughing MP - who refused to even admit that he might have done wrong - resigned.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1472303291858104323
If Truss wants the job, she has to quit, now.
https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472303576424890370
One exception should be allowed - Piers should be forced to spend Xmas with Jeremy
I foresee blood foaming in the Tiber
https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1472304336936095754
> Indiana U versus U of Notre Dame, at South Bend, Indiana
> U of Louisville versus Western Kentucky U, at Bowling Green, Kentucky
In other words, two of the biggest in-state rivalries, in two of the most basketball-mad states in the Union.
Broadcast of UL v WKU game just featured fundraising appeals for victims of tornadoes that recently slammed through Bowling Green and other Midwest & Upper South areas recently.
If he resigns he still hasn't given them any support. So whilst he would probably become leader he might be toxic to a big chunk of the electorate.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1472305346899288065
weren’t necessarily all that wise and may cause some problems for them and the country over the medium term...
Ballad of Reading Jail
Oscar Wilde
. . .Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!
Some kill their love when they are young,
And some when they are old;
Some strangle with the hands of Lust,
Some with the hands of Gold:
The kindest use a knife, because
The dead so soon grow cold.
Some love too little, some too long,
Some sell, and others buy;
Some do the deed with many tears,
And some without a sigh:
For each man kills the thing he loves,
Yet each man does not die. . . .
Vaccine certification will only work if it's tied to the ability to remain in employment or access social security, and neither this Government nor any likely alternative will apply that stick.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1472305796226686979
https://twitter.com/mos_politics/status/1472288549584125953
...
There's nothing stopping people going out to eat right now but people aren't.
The biggest 2 weeks of the year and hospitality is dead on its arse.
1. The only possible Brexit minister now is Peppa himself. Let's have his intellectual rigour and eye for detail on the job
2. I get how restrictions are unpopular. If as seems likely Omicron is going to keep tearing up the population then quitting to oppose new measures will be coinciding with the patients piling up in hospital. Ok so that's if, but "resign to stop lockdown types" are betting it won't escalate. And if it does, they are done.
What can we learn from Switzerland?
Leaving the market well alone now!
My assertion is he has gone because he realised however hard he tries to bang the square peg into the round hole that is Northern Ireland it won't fit. And now the penny has dropped...
Not this pissweak, pathetic, preposterous pansy of a politician he has become.
He's a failure now trashing his own legacy. He needs to go NOW. And whoever replaces him should give Frost his job back.
I am disgusted with Boris now.
The wheels on the bus keep falling off, aaaaall Brexit long.
It's two floors of the best street food. Absolutely delicious. And it was near-empty. That was lovely for us, but I felt so sorry for the vendors and stall holders. They are pumping out magnificent food in a great new space and they've opened at probably the worst time in history
I pray it survives the Late Unpleasantness, and I recommend it to any PB-ers
https://www.camdenmarket.com/hawleywharf/
Why give in to the same combination of flesh-creeping forecasts and hair-raising headlines? Here's six reasons why, hopefully, we might not
DANIEL HANNAN"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/18/know-lockdown-social-economic-disaster-please-boris-dont-do/