The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
I don't think the public really understand any of this. I see a lot of people very religious with their mask usage but using a cloth one. If you are extremely concerned about such things, you need an FFP3, your cloth mask isn't an invincibility shield.
Exactly. Sadly there is a bullshit idea that has been spread that "your mask protects others" and that we all need to wear a cloth mask.
Its bollocks. There is no data to substantiate it.
What does work is wearing an FFP3 mask cuts your own risk of catching the virus significantly. So if you're bothered, wear an FFP3 mask. Don't wear a cloth mask and expect others to do so too.
We need better education on this. But instead people want to nanny those who don't want to wear a mask, instead of putting effort in to better educating those who do.
I have posted links to you in the past citing papers that show that masks - including "cloth" masks - do prevent transmission. Your continued anti-science stance is really troubling.
Please post any evidence that cloth mask mandates reduce transmission over the long term. I'm calling BS.
If you have any evidence, I've not seen it. I don't believe it exists.
Having evidence that people in controlled environments wearing masks properly, instead of mandates where people end up with chin hammocks, is a different thing.
you have too worrying a faith in a whiter than white establishment . They did say initiially masks had no effect and were pressured to change their mind
They've been shown to be wrong on this. Just look at the paper I cited.
Anyway, I still think this was a political decision due to the massive shortages of PPE at the start of the pandemic.
So the WHO have been shown to be "wrong" have they - how many people do the WHO employ ? How many scientists ? Who has shown them to be "wrong" or twisted thier arm perhaps? Wake up
Ah, it's a conspiracy? Did you look at the paper I cited? I assume they are in on it too.
Look i am getting tired of you - you asked me to "cite" some evidence of the WHO saying they did not think masks worked and I did . You then stated they were wrong -I am not sure what else I can do to change your 100% view of the world and its whiter than white leadership
The article you cited does not show that the WHO did not think masks worked. Far from it. Read the article!
well its a while since I got an O level in English Comprehension but the second paragraph is pretty clear isnt it?
Yep, you've got me there. Embarassing. I apologise.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
The thing about proper FFP3 respirator masks is not only the filter, it is they form a tight seal and so you don't spend all your time pulling it up, down and round about.
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
If we spent more effort educating those who want to wear a mask on what they should wear and how to wear it, that'd do far more than compelling those who don't want to wear one ever could.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
“ if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa. “.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
What a rude reponse
I was trying to aks a genuine question politely. How could I have asked the question better?
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
What a rude reponse
I was trying to aks a genuine question politely. How could I have asked the question better?
well start with not suggesting you have it right and she wrong?
It's alleged that Theresa May's allies are to send letters calling for a leadership election if the Tories lose the by-election, according to the Times.
What? Both of them!
As bad as St Theresa is claimed to be, I think that like John Major she will be remembered better in future than now.
Yes "nothing has changed". Yes "Brexit means Brexit". Yes "darkies go home". But she increased the Tory vote by 20% over 2015 in that silly re-election of 2017...
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
I managed to dodge it too when Mrs Foxy had it a year ago. It is weirdly patchy that this happens and someone else spreads it to 50
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
What a rude reponse
I was trying to aks a genuine question politely. How could I have asked the question better?
well start with not suggesting you have it right and she wrong?
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
The thing about proper FFP3 respirator masks is not only the filter, it is they form a tight seal and so you don't spend all your time pulling it up, down and round about.
I have been properly mask fitted at work, by occupational health and issued with a box of fitted masks.
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
Yes, after negative LF tests Thursday and Friday before heading to work in a primary school, she got a positive LF this morning. Whilst I was approaching Darlington on my trip from nnorthern Aberdeenshire to that London...
She feels like crap, has lost her smell but isn't as ill as the girl was a week ago. Yet. Hope you are on the mend DD.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
I think the point that most of the public don't really understand the difference between a cloth, an N95, FFP2, FFP3....
FFP3 are far superior, while not being very expensive. The thing I found is also that a good FFP3 fit snuggly and so I don't spend half my time pissing about pulling it up etc. I put it on and that is that.
A public education campaign would be very sensible. In the UK, we were even encouraged initially to make our own out of cloth. Where as now, any hardware store will sell you an FFP3 one.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
Where's the evidence that such mandates cut rates in the long-term?
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
I get your point, but youngsters have it tough at present times. I paid Fox Jr1's share of a deposit on his first house, and pay Fox Jr's rent in London. We try to be there for them in the tough times. Over-parenting? Perhaps, but when you can help your kids to a better life, isn't that the purpose of parenting?
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
I don't think the public really understand any of this. I see a lot of people very religious with their mask usage but using a cloth one. If you are extremely concerned about such things, you need an FFP3, your cloth mask isn't an invincibility shield.
Exactly. Sadly there is a bullshit idea that has been spread that "your mask protects others" and that we all need to wear a cloth mask.
Its bollocks. There is no data to substantiate it.
What does work is wearing an FFP3 mask cuts your own risk of catching the virus significantly. So if you're bothered, wear an FFP3 mask. Don't wear a cloth mask and expect others to do so too.
We need better education on this. But instead people want to nanny those who don't want to wear a mask, instead of putting effort in to better educating those who do.
I have posted links to you in the past citing papers that show that masks - including "cloth" masks - do prevent transmission. Your continued anti-science stance is really troubling.
Please post any evidence that cloth mask mandates reduce transmission over the long term. I'm calling BS.
If you have any evidence, I've not seen it. I don't believe it exists.
Having evidence that people in controlled environments wearing masks properly, instead of mandates where people end up with chin hammocks, is a different thing.
Why, so you can ignore it again and we'll be back to the same place in a few weeks time, with you pretending never to have seen it?
The most memorable paper I cited was about US states that did/did not mandate masks, and the differential between them. I seem to remember that the reduction in transmission was close to 50%. Properly controlled for demographics, etc. The key thing about that is that it was looking at mandates, not controlled environments, so it will include poor technique and less than total adoption, etc. It was a real-world A-B test with real results showing real harm reduction. I posted it to you before, you silently ignored it. I could go searching for it again, but I already did your homework once. You do it.
So you don't have any evidence, OK.
I'm not going looking for your imaginary evidence.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
I think the point that most of the public don't really understand the difference between a cloth, an N95, FFP2, FFP3....
FFP3 are far superior, while not being very expensive.
I've got a few N95s around, which I wear when I'm in higher-risk situations, say a crowded bus.
Otherwise go with cloth. But then I'm triple jabbed. And NOT hanging out in crowd much at all, and then for limited duration.
And the kind of place where I do go, the rate of masking (and also jabbing) is pretty high. For example, about 99% these days at my local supermarket.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
I don't think the public really understand any of this. I see a lot of people very religious with their mask usage but using a cloth one. If you are extremely concerned about such things, you need an FFP3, your cloth mask isn't an invincibility shield.
Exactly. Sadly there is a bullshit idea that has been spread that "your mask protects others" and that we all need to wear a cloth mask.
Its bollocks. There is no data to substantiate it.
What does work is wearing an FFP3 mask cuts your own risk of catching the virus significantly. So if you're bothered, wear an FFP3 mask. Don't wear a cloth mask and expect others to do so too.
We need better education on this. But instead people want to nanny those who don't want to wear a mask, instead of putting effort in to better educating those who do.
I have posted links to you in the past citing papers that show that masks - including "cloth" masks - do prevent transmission. Your continued anti-science stance is really troubling.
Please post any evidence that cloth mask mandates reduce transmission over the long term. I'm calling BS.
If you have any evidence, I've not seen it. I don't believe it exists.
Having evidence that people in controlled environments wearing masks properly, instead of mandates where people end up with chin hammocks, is a different thing.
Why, so you can ignore it again and we'll be back to the same place in a few weeks time, with you pretending never to have seen it?
The most memorable paper I cited was about US states that did/did not mandate masks, and the differential between them. I seem to remember that the reduction in transmission was close to 50%. Properly controlled for demographics, etc. The key thing about that is that it was looking at mandates, not controlled environments, so it will include poor technique and less than total adoption, etc. It was a real-world A-B test with real results showing real harm reduction. I posted it to you before, you silently ignored it. I could go searching for it again, but I already did your homework once. You do it.
So you don't have any evidence, OK.
I'm not going looking for your imaginary evidence.
Fuck off, I posted it once and you ignored it. You lazy, anti science fuck.
I have never seen any such "evidence". If you posted it, I never saw it. I don't read every post.
But I don't believe any such evidence exists, which is why you're so shy to share it now. When I have evidence for my posts, I'm not coy about sharing it.
I entered National Rail property at 07:12 this morning, left at 20:40 and had my FFP2 mask on pretty much all day. For all the anti-mask "its such an imposition" "its lockdown" twats out there, its not an imposition.
Depends on who you are. I tried it for a 90 minute commute and was hyperventilating at the end of it. Sure, they’re necessary, but the holier than thou stuff doesn’t work. I’m not directing this at you necessarily but how often have you changed your mind about a topic by someone negating your experiences, saying your feelings don’t matter, moralising at you or calling you names like “twat”?
That approach didn’t work for us in the 2016 referendum and they are sure as hell not going to persuade even cuddly liberal remainer like me to wear a FFP2. All such tactics are is, I’m afraid, and in that horrible phrase, virtue signalling. You are not better than anyone else on this board.
Doug mate, its more aimed at the people screeching about masks being "lockdown". This is not lockdown. I've done 750 miles today. I absolutely despise masks, but they are a necessary evil.
I’ve been posting here for nearly three years and absolutely lost it with a number of people on a number of occasions. I’ve never seen anyone’s mind changed by being belittled. I try and smoke a huge spliff before coming on now.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
He has been working 11 hour days in his job to earn extra money for the last few weeks and has been completely on his own for most of Covid. He has also suffered from very serious mental health problems in the past. But he has mostly coped fine. Mostly. As you may appreciate these sort of issues place a very great strain on family life so I think it important to try and rebuild and maintain those links and his siblings want that too, as does he - even if he can sometimes be his own worst enemy.
Currently his shift finishes at 8 pm on Xmas Eve and he starts again on the Monday. There are literally no trains that would get him here and back again so he would be completely alone. He has asked to do an earlier shift and start a later shift on his day back so he can use the train like everyone else. Hopefully his bosses will accommodate him.
But, especially if a new lockdown happens, I don't want him to be on his own and I want him to feel a part of his family and be here - in our first family Xmas in our new home. As does he.
Remember also my nephew died by his own hand last year. I do not want my son to feel left out. A car journey - if it has to happen - is a good opportunity for us to have some private time together.
Two serious proper questions. Firstly How do we think the media narrative will go this week? For things to have legs, new and newsworthy things need to emerge don’t they? The wallpaper one is over now with geet not resigning. Party gate running out of steam in coming days as a news item? Restrictions rebellion has been muted by salami votes. And covid is going to dominate news agenda, and possibly the Ukraine invasion. Obviously what happens Thursday may make a difference. Secondly, the speaker has called time on parliament on Tuesday, almost like the bell ringing at a boxing match? Saving someone. Can any letters go in, be acted on, a vote take place when politics is in recess, acattered around the country wrapping presents? And without fuel in the media, where doth the polling?
The Afghanistan story is also a bit too old now to come back, having been drowned out by the party.
Next week it’s N Shropshire. That’s either going to be the coup de grâce, or a reprieve that sees him safe for now.
Regarding the Afghan story, is there still a select committee report to come?
Yes
So the story will likely be resurfaced at that point.
Plus, any further evidence of any Johnson involvement in the Nowzad evacuation would be extreely damaging.
Thank you for your responses. The picture being painted is more difficulties for Boris exciting the media at some point, just probably not much until the by election? So it sort of dies down and off news programmes a bit?
Could it though flair up using other names? A lot of posters have mentioned the demeanour of Sunak in front the cameras this week - does he have a skeleton to be unearthed? He doesn’t have to be boozing or partying, just present at a large “gathering”?
The other thing is what's the next scandal? There's bound to be one just around the corner.
That’s a good point, there’s two ways of second guessing it. What could the next scandal for Boris I think you mean, but perhaps the government as a whole. What else could leak to be damaging? Minutes about covid procurements? The Afghan “operation hound” report could leak?
But also what news stories can help the government spinnmachine distract. Any other big news stories can break this week, pushing covid and Boris down the news? Russia have a lot of personnel sat around in the cold? What about last of the year economic announcements, huge leap in inflation or bad other measure spooking the markets? Or perhaps supply chain issues causing shopping panics? Very sorry for all these questions. Feeling like a Randy moonrabbit right now, I made the approach, but she said no, it might wake her parents. So sorry PB you are stuck with me. No one gets what they want tonight 😗
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
I managed to dodge it too when Mrs Foxy had it a year ago. It is weirdly patchy that this happens and someone else spreads it to 50
I'm convinced this is two separate transmissions through two schools. Daughter went rapidly downhill Friday last week with positive LF Saturday morning. Last thing I did before heading south on the Thursday morning was hug her, and I didn't get it so assume she was clear at that point.
Wifey tested positive on LF this morning after negatives yesterday and Thursday before heading into (primary school) work. I'm still negative and feel great despite waking up this morning curled up spooning with skin to skin contact. Not saying a positive isn't in the post, and will of course be taking myself and the boy off for more PCRs. My booster is booked on the first day I am allowed out if I don't get caught...
It's alleged that Theresa May's allies are to send letters calling for a leadership election if the Tories lose the by-election, according to the Times.
What? Both of them!
As bad as St Theresa is claimed to be, I think that like John Major she will be remembered better in future than now.
Yes "nothing has changed". Yes "Brexit means Brexit". Yes "darkies go home". But she increased the Tory vote by 20% over 2015 in that silly re-election of 2017...
May's problem was being a relatively honest politician (and I say that despite finding her politics distasteful) having to deliver an entirely dishonest project by making the odd compromise her party's headbangers weren't willing to make. Ultimately, although she was very strong in the polls due to Corbyn's uselessness outside his natural habitat of rallies, her great mistake was the 'Brexit Means Brexit' and 'Citizens of Nowhere'. That was at her moment of maximum strength when could have set out a plausible version of Brexit that was less toxic to opponents of it and united all but the ultras on either side behind a new relationship that was out politically but less so economically in the short term - and said she'd leave it open for her or future governments to decide what to do next once formally 'out'. Instead, she judged she had to deliver the impossible of a Hard Brexit without it getting messy - which she couldn't do, and only a snakeoil salesman prepared to lie and deal with the consequences later could. It would be fitting if she were to be behind his ousting.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
Where's the evidence that such mandates cut rates in the long-term?
I am not pretending to be a scientist. Just want to avoid getting someone else sick because I might be sick. And visa versa.
When I was a small boy, my Mom told me to cover my nose when I sneezed, to help keep my germs to myself. Never thought to ask her to cite evidence for what was self-evident.
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
Yes, after negative LF tests Thursday and Friday before heading to work in a primary school, she got a positive LF this morning. Whilst I was approaching Darlington on my trip from nnorthern Aberdeenshire to that London...
She feels like crap, has lost her smell but isn't as ill as the girl was a week ago. Yet. Hope you are on the mend DD.
Yep. The repetitive negative LFT tests seems to be a recurring feature. As does complete loss of smell. I am well. Apart from having to think really carefully before I write. Hope all goes for the best for you and yours.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
I get your point, but youngsters have it tough at present times. I paid Fox Jr1's share of a deposit on his first house, and pay Fox Jr's rent in London. We try to be there for them in the tough times. Over-parenting? Perhaps, but when you can help your kids to a better life, isn't that the purpose of parenting?
I entered National Rail property at 07:12 this morning, left at 20:40 and had my FFP2 mask on pretty much all day. For all the anti-mask "its such an imposition" "its lockdown" twats out there, its not an imposition.
Depends on who you are. I tried it for a 90 minute commute and was hyperventilating at the end of it. Sure, they’re necessary, but the holier than thou stuff doesn’t work. I’m not directing this at you necessarily but how often have you changed your mind about a topic by someone negating your experiences, saying your feelings don’t matter, moralising at you or calling you names like “twat”?
That approach didn’t work for us in the 2016 referendum and they are sure as hell not going to persuade even cuddly liberal remainer like me to wear a FFP2. All such tactics are is, I’m afraid, and in that horrible phrase, virtue signalling. You are not better than anyone else on this board.
Doug mate, its more aimed at the people screeching about masks being "lockdown". This is not lockdown. I've done 750 miles today. I absolutely despise masks, but they are a necessary evil.
I’ve been posting here for nearly three years and absolutely lost it with a number of people on a number of occasions. I’ve never seen anyone’s mind changed by being belittled. I try and smoke a huge spliff before coming on now.
Please send huuuuge spliff in my direction. Would help
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
As I've said so many times a normal face mask is just the equivalent of clamping a handkerchief to your mouth when you sneeze. We all used to know that using a handkerchief helped stop the spread of cold and flu. They're not gas masks so of course they don't provide total protection but they do help
Can anyone explain why cases in Scotland seem to be so much lower than in Wales?
God only knows. The fluctuation in case rates observed in the four constituent parts of the UK during the back end of this year has been interesting to say the least.
I wanted to test whether my recollection of what's been happening with cases since England dumped nearly all domestic restrictions in mid-July was anywhere close to accurate, so I simply went to the data dashboard and transcribed the case rates per 100,000 people for the first day of the month in August through to December. The results were a little odd:
1/8 Scotland 144 Wales 142 England 284 NI 438
1/9 Scotland 794 Wales 466 England 312 NI 534
1/10 Scotland 321 Wales 514 England 336 NI 395
1/11 Scotland 330 Wales 563 England 409 NI 427
1/12 Scotland 344 Wales 498 England 476 NI 637
Scotland appears to have had a particularly steep spike in cases around the end of the Summer, which I assume is associated with the earlier end of school Summer holidays there - despite the fact that I believe that mask mandates have been maintained continuously in Scottish secondaries since their return. After that, Scotland's case rate came back down and stabilised through the Autumn.
England had worse statistics than Scotland or Wales at the start of August, which I think must be to do with "freedom day" on July 19th, but has since outperformed Wales on case rates, despite the latter having kept tighter restrictions throughout, and has only gradually pulled ahead of Scotland through late Autumn.
Northern Ireland, where the authorities appear to have been more cautious about removing restrictions than anywhere else, was nevertheless in a substantially worse state than England in late Summer, closed the gap during the Autumn, but has recently pulled ahead of the whole of the rest of the country going into Winter.
Why it is that, broadly speaking, Wales appears to have had significantly higher case rates than both Scotland and England during the Autumn period (save for the Scottish case spike that was evident in the September comparison,) despite the fact that Wales and Scotland both retained some restrictions that England junked, isn't clear. One thing that the numbers don't appear to suggest is that low-level restrictions, notably the wearing of simple cloth or paper masks, are much use against Delta, but that may just be confirmation bias on my part because I doubt their value.
Anyway, all things being equal, if NPIs were making a significant difference then you'd expect England to be doing worse than the rest of the country for the bulk of the time. But things are evidently not equal. What else could be going on here?
Labour 9 points now. 10 points soon is @HYUFD going to self-destruct
Johnson has ratnered the party.
The quality of the party in the Mirror pictures looks about the same as Ratners jewellery.
Shit party. Well worth throwing away your premiership for.
Obviously that wasn't "the party"....and I reckon it probably was more rambunctious.
But the key quote in the article is that there was a culture of office piss ups that Boris didn't discourage, and I think that is why he has got himself in a bind.
I entered National Rail property at 07:12 this morning, left at 20:40 and had my FFP2 mask on pretty much all day. For all the anti-mask "its such an imposition" "its lockdown" twats out there, its not an imposition.
Depends on who you are. I tried it for a 90 minute commute and was hyperventilating at the end of it. Sure, they’re necessary, but the holier than thou stuff doesn’t work. I’m not directing this at you necessarily but how often have you changed your mind about a topic by someone negating your experiences, saying your feelings don’t matter, moralising at you or calling you names like “twat”?
That approach didn’t work for us in the 2016 referendum and they are sure as hell not going to persuade even cuddly liberal remainer like me to wear a FFP2. All such tactics are is, I’m afraid, and in that horrible phrase, virtue signalling. You are not better than anyone else on this board.
Doug mate, its more aimed at the people screeching about masks being "lockdown". This is not lockdown. I've done 750 miles today. I absolutely despise masks, but they are a necessary evil.
I’ve been posting here for nearly three years and absolutely lost it with a number of people on a number of occasions. I’ve never seen anyone’s mind changed by being belittled. I try and smoke a huge spliff before coming on now.
Please send huuuuge spliff in my direction. Would help
My local neighborhood pot shop has some tempting specials . . .
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
He has been working 11 hour days in his job to earn extra money for the last few weeks and has been completely on his own for most of Covid. He has also suffered from very serious mental health problems in the past. But he has mostly coped fine. Mostly. As you may appreciate these sort of issues place a very great strain on family life so I think it important to try and rebuild and maintain those links and his siblings want that too, as does he - even if he can sometimes be his own worst enemy.
Currently his shift finishes at 8 pm on Xmas Eve and he starts again on the Monday. There are literally no trains that would get him here and back again so he would be completely alone. He has asked to do an earlier shift and start a later shift on his day back so he can use the train like everyone else. Hopefully his bosses will accommodate him.
But, especially if a new lockdown happens, I don't want him to be on his own and I want him to feel a part of his family and be here - in our first family Xmas in our new home. As does he.
Remember also my nephew died by his own hand last year. I do not want my son to feel left out. A car journey - if it has to happen - is a good opportunity for us to have some private time together.
All very good points, thank you for taking the time to respond.
I can well understand why you want to take the time to ensure he's not on his own. I hope you get some rest time yourself amongst all that.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
I get your point, but youngsters have it tough at present times. I paid Fox Jr1's share of a deposit on his first house, and pay Fox Jr's rent in London. We try to be there for them in the tough times. Over-parenting? Perhaps, but when you can help your kids to a better life, isn't that the purpose of parenting?
Can someone tell me why Gove is still a major influence over covid policy e.g. vaxports.
I thought one of the major bonuses of the reshuffle was that he had been removed from Cabinet office and sent to local government/housing were his baleful presence could no longer continually turn the ratchet on all sorts of mad biostate ideas?
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Its coming. It will be hateful on every front. Absolute despair. Business destruction. Excuses and wazzockry even from sexytime people like Rishi. But unless there is a miraculous clearing of the data over the next week we are getting locked down hard. Sadly.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
As I've said so many times a normal face mask is just the equivalent of clamping a handkerchief to your mouth when you sneeze. We all used to know that using a handkerchief helped stop the spread of cold and flu. They're not gas masks so of course they don't provide total protection but they do help
Of course, influenza and Covid-19 are both respiratory illnesses but they are not caused by one and the same pathogen. It's not impossible that basic masks might turn out not to be much good against Covid but a halfway decent barrier to flu transmission. The absence of a flu season last Winter suggests that this might be the case; it'll be interesting to see if a suspicious absence of flu cases in hospitals is repeated again in the New Year.
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
Yes, after negative LF tests Thursday and Friday before heading to work in a primary school, she got a positive LF this morning. Whilst I was approaching Darlington on my trip from nnorthern Aberdeenshire to that London...
She feels like crap, has lost her smell but isn't as ill as the girl was a week ago. Yet. Hope you are on the mend DD.
Yep. The repetitive negative LFT tests seems to be a recurring feature. As does complete loss of smell. I am well. Apart from having to think really carefully before I write. Hope all goes for the best for you and yours.
If as I suspect this was two separate school transmissions then the gates of hell truly are open. This is Aberdeenshire. An awful lot of nothing inbetween everywhere. If schools here are ridden with it (presumably Omicron) then think how much fun* is coming in busy urban areas.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
The really bad news for me is that Husband, unbeknownst to me, has ordered an organic Turkey from a local farmer for Xmas.
Yuck! Can't stand the stuff and have only once in my entire life had it for Xmas.
So I may need to go vegetarian or cook alternative meat. Of course Daughter's place will be open during the day so we won't be eating until the evening anyway by which time, if the whisky treat I have ordered has arrived, I may already have passed out and be quietly snoozing on the sofa.
Plus Son's shift patterns are so awful that he won't be able to catch a train up north so if he is not to be totally alone I will have to fetch him here and back again, which will mean spending a good deal of the hols on the M6. Yay!
Please don't take this the wrong way but do you ever consider you do too much for your children @Cyclefree ?
I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
What a rude reponse
I was trying to aks a genuine question politely. How could I have asked the question better?
I don't take offence. All 3 are pretty independent and have been for some time. (Though not yet able to afford their own homes - tho' that is hardly uncommon these days). I do very little for them. I have not bought them property or cars. I don't even cook anymore. They are all excellent cooks. I occasionally hang out the washing. I am there when they want to vent or need someone to listen. I try to give advice if they ask. Otherwise I just try to be someone they can rely on and come to when/if they need me. I try to keep my worries about them to myself - and if I talk about them on here about them it's a way of me letting off steam to anonymous people - for which thank you.
Far from being a helicopter parent I am benignly neglectful. But I love them fiercely and deeply and make no apologies for that.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Its coming. It will be hateful on every front. Absolute despair. Business destruction. Excuses and wazzockry even from sexytime people like Rishi. But unless there is a miraculous clearing of the data over the next week we are getting locked down hard. Sadly.
Rochdale - sorry to hear of your domestic COVID issues and hope your family recover soon, and hopefully you don't get it!
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
There we go. Thanks to the wonder of PB monitoring the media, several of our thirtysomethings already knew the booking system had been updated, have got in ahead of the cavalry charge and already booked their appointments earlier this evening, which has to count as something of a result.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
I am preparing for something that won't be called a "lockdown", but significantly heightened restrictions during Jan / Feb. We are seeing all the precursors over the past few days.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
Some of the public can get as scared as they like and stay indoors if they want, we have a Tory majority in parliament which will vote down another lockdown trashing the economy and remove any PM who tries to impose one. End of.
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
There we go. Thanks to the wonder of PB monitoring the media, several of our thirtysomethings already knew the booking system had been updated, have got in ahead of the cavalry charge and already booked their appointments earlier this evening, which has to count as something of a result.
A result with no ideological bias or skew, the PB freemasonry.
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
Yes, after negative LF tests Thursday and Friday before heading to work in a primary school, she got a positive LF this morning. Whilst I was approaching Darlington on my trip from nnorthern Aberdeenshire to that London...
She feels like crap, has lost her smell but isn't as ill as the girl was a week ago. Yet. Hope you are on the mend DD.
Yep. The repetitive negative LFT tests seems to be a recurring feature. As does complete loss of smell. I am well. Apart from having to think really carefully before I write. Hope all goes for the best for you and yours.
If as I suspect this was two separate school transmissions then the gates of hell truly are open. This is Aberdeenshire. An awful lot of nothing inbetween everywhere. If schools here are ridden with it (presumably Omicron) then think how much fun* is coming in busy urban areas.
I know where I got it. I was pretty damn careful being as how my booster was due. A casual chat of half a dozen for less than half an hour in an otherwise empty building. The negative LFT despite symptoms is a really worrying development.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
I am preparing for something that won't be called a "lockdown", but significantly heightened restrictions during Jan / Feb. We are seeing all the precursors over the past few days.
Vaxports and LFTs being expanded to cinemas, theatres, pubs and restaurants from January maybe likely.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
The state of this response to you: You are spouting bullshit. You’re not a doctor, just a corrupt moron
Twitter is a swamp. Nuke from orbit is too good for it.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
Where's the evidence that such mandates cut rates in the long-term?
I am not pretending to be a scientist. Just want to avoid getting someone else sick because I might be sick. And visa versa.
When I was a small boy, my Mom told me to cover my nose when I sneezed, to help keep my germs to myself. Never thought to ask her to cite evidence for what was self-evident.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
Some of the public can get as scared as they like and stay in doors if they want, we have a Tory majority in parliament which will vote down another lockdown trashing the economy and remove any PM who tries to impose one. End of.
Aren't the Conservatives reliant upon the pensioner voting block? Those who have the most to fear from the virus and are most supportive of lockdowns.
Boris putting business first may play well for the libertarians. Less so the covid fearing early voting oldies you need.
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
Yep. This omicron is busting through the double AZ vaxxed. Not much evidence of serious illness thus far, mind.
There's no evidence that the Winnie-The-Pooh variant is widespread yet. Even with the shortest possible doubling times, it is still a minor component of a Delta based epidemic.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
You sound very curt and cheesed of now HYUFD, and I can understand and empathise why. I don’t need to know what your non PB recreations are, but suggest why not a fasting away from PB day, touching base with the other things in your life?
In fact it can still be politics, just immersion yourself in some reading rediscovering what your own core value is, from what is a wide field on the political centre and right often in conflict. I suggested contrasts by Pugin the other day. He is Conservative. Libertarian ideas would be Ann Rand? Hayek is also very eloquent why Conservatism is right.
Being a fellow Christian have you gone into T S Eliot Ideas of a Christian Society?
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
Yep. This omicron is busting through the double AZ vaxxed. Not much evidence of serious illness thus far, mind.
There's no evidence that the Winnie-The-Pooh variant is widespread yet. Even with the shortest possible doubling times, it is still a minor component of a Delta based epidemic.
Tim Spector estimates 4000 cases a day in London....
Anyway, home now, negative for now, wifey ill but not dying, kids meh but not upset by the abrupt end of term. Am consoling myself by having a wee drinkie.
You know Liar is finished because the various candidates to replace him are already briefing the media. Ravey Mikey Govey. Sunak. Truss. Priti Vacant. I love St Theresa and "operation revenge".
Will the last HYUFD supporting Liar please turn out the lights...?
Sorry RP I missed this. Is your missus positive? If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
Yes, after negative LF tests Thursday and Friday before heading to work in a primary school, she got a positive LF this morning. Whilst I was approaching Darlington on my trip from nnorthern Aberdeenshire to that London...
She feels like crap, has lost her smell but isn't as ill as the girl was a week ago. Yet. Hope you are on the mend DD.
Yep. The repetitive negative LFT tests seems to be a recurring feature. As does complete loss of smell. I am well. Apart from having to think really carefully before I write. Hope all goes for the best for you and yours.
If as I suspect this was two separate school transmissions then the gates of hell truly are open. This is Aberdeenshire. An awful lot of nothing inbetween everywhere. If schools here are ridden with it (presumably Omicron) then think how much fun* is coming in busy urban areas.
I know where I got it. I was pretty damn careful being as how my booster was due. A casual chat of half a dozen for less than half an hour in an otherwise empty building. The negative LFT despite symptoms is a really worrying development.
It is. Problem is that Mrs RP has suffered heavy periods for a long time. And her subcutaneous patch has stopped preventing her from having them thanks to our 10 year-old daughter having started up (the power of hormones in action).
So wifey feeling crap yesterday / Thursday night was put down to blob. Not Covid. So negative tests were expected. Even Saturday morning as I left she didn't seem that ill.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
I am preparing for something that won't be called a "lockdown", but significantly heightened restrictions during Jan / Feb. We are seeing all the precursors over the past few days.
Vaxports and LFTs being expanded to cinemas, theatres, pubs and restaurants from January maybe likely.
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
Where's the evidence that such mandates cut rates in the long-term?
I am not pretending to be a scientist. Just want to avoid getting someone else sick because I might be sick. And visa versa.
When I was a small boy, my Mom told me to cover my nose when I sneezed, to help keep my germs to myself. Never thought to ask her to cite evidence for what was self-evident.
When you sneeze fair enough.
Not when you breathe.
Sometime, yes. IF you're a heavy breather, or have done some heavy lifting or whatever.
Talking can also be problematic, esp. if you're a loud talker and get excited.
And of course singing - for example, by choirs - was a factor in a number of serious early COVID outbreaks.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
Some of the public can get as scared as they like and stay in doors if they want, we have a Tory majority in parliament which will vote down another lockdown trashing the economy and remove any PM who tries to impose one. End of.
Aren't the Conservatives reliant upon the pensioner voting block? Those who have the most to fear from the virus and are most supportive of lockdowns.
Boris putting business first may play well for the libertarians. Less so the covid fearing early voting oldies you need.
Voters oppose closing pubs and restaurants by 49% to 31% in the latest Comres
The masks thing is bonkers. If people want to wear a mask, wear a FF3 (or whatever they are called) and have done. The government should make this clearer, and state fund these masks for vulnerable people. Lecturing others is a bit ridiculous when anyone can wear a FF3 mask as and when they wish!
The evidence is that FFP3 masks work incredibly, incredibly well - and yet nothing has been done to encourage people to get those.
So lets instead argue about people putting pieces of cloth over their face instead!
Cloth masks are the fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done". We should have entirely voluntary masking, but instead be encouraging those who are wearing masks to wear ones of the quality standard that they actually work.
Yes, I was running some errands in the city earlier today, so wore an FFP3. Mask wearing was probably over 75% but a lot of poor masks and poor technique , so the efficacy must be lower. Town was busy and the antiaxx nutters were out. I had an argument with one who was spouting bollocks.
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
An FFP3 mask properly worn is sensible, if you're bothered about catching the virus.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
But a cloth mask properly worn does help impede transmission IF the person wearing is sick and contagious.
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
Where's the evidence that such mandates cut rates in the long-term?
I am not pretending to be a scientist. Just want to avoid getting someone else sick because I might be sick. And visa versa.
When I was a small boy, my Mom told me to cover my nose when I sneezed, to help keep my germs to myself. Never thought to ask her to cite evidence for what was self-evident.
When you sneeze fair enough.
Not when you breathe.
Sometime, yes. IF you're a heavy breather, or have done some heavy lifting or whatever.
Talking can also be problematic, esp. if you're a loud talker and get excited.
And of course singing - for example, by choirs - was a factor in a number of serious early COVID outbreaks.
In the early days when we were trying to halt the spread of Covid that was relevant.
What some people seem to have not accepted yet is that Covid is going to spread either way now. We need to live with it. So if its not you spreading Covid, its somebody else, either now or later on - it isn't going anywhere.
Spreading Covid isn't an issue. Getting sick with Covid is and its the vaccines that work to prevent that.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
I am preparing for something that won't be called a "lockdown", but significantly heightened restrictions during Jan / Feb. We are seeing all the precursors over the past few days.
Vaxports and LFTs being expanded to cinemas, theatres, pubs and restaurants from January maybe likely.
Full lockdown again is not
What would you know
More it seems than you.
Vaccinations and boosters are the only way out, not another lockdown
Two serious proper questions. Firstly How do we think the media narrative will go this week? For things to have legs, new and newsworthy things need to emerge don’t they? The wallpaper one is over now with geet not resigning. Party gate running out of steam in coming days as a news item? Restrictions rebellion has been muted by salami votes. And covid is going to dominate news agenda, and possibly the Ukraine invasion. Obviously what happens Thursday may make a difference. Secondly, the speaker has called time on parliament on Tuesday, almost like the bell ringing at a boxing match? Saving someone. Can any letters go in, be acted on, a vote take place when politics is in recess, acattered around the country wrapping presents? And without fuel in the media, where doth the polling?
The Afghanistan story is also a bit too old now to come back, having been drowned out by the party.
Next week it’s N Shropshire. That’s either going to be the coup de grâce, or a reprieve that sees him safe for now.
Regarding the Afghan story, is there still a select committee report to come?
Yes
So the story will likely be resurfaced at that point.
Plus, any further evidence of any Johnson involvement in the Nowzad evacuation would be extreely damaging.
Thank you for your responses. The picture being painted is more difficulties for Boris exciting the media at some point, just probably not much until the by election? So it sort of dies down and off news programmes a bit?
Could it though flair up using other names? A lot of posters have mentioned the demeanour of Sunak in front the cameras this week - does he have a skeleton to be unearthed? He doesn’t have to be boozing or partying, just present at a large “gathering”?
The other thing is what's the next scandal? There's bound to be one just around the corner.
That’s a good point, there’s two ways of second guessing it. What could the next scandal for Boris I think you mean, but perhaps the government as a whole. What else could leak to be damaging? Minutes about covid procurements? The Afghan “operation hound” report could leak?
But also what news stories can help the government spinnmachine distract. Any other big news stories can break this week, pushing covid and Boris down the news? Russia have a lot of personnel sat around in the cold? What about last of the year economic announcements, huge leap in inflation or bad other measure spooking the markets? Or perhaps supply chain issues causing shopping panics? Very sorry for all these questions. Feeling like a Randy moonrabbit right now, I made the approach, but she said no, it might wake her parents. So sorry PB you are stuck with me. No one gets what they want tonight 😗
In the pub we took our boots off and danced a very long time. I’m yawning now. Very much looking forward to long walk in countryside tomorrow.
Before I go I had another thought about media narrative.
The smoking gun the Afghan report could unleash might not be pets are us flight, is the advice to ministers in the lead up to the sudden Taliban advance. Do you recall a furious May saying the intelligence to you couldn’t have been that wrong, when ministers were blaming that in the commons. Maybe that part was behind closed doors, we will get to hear the intelligence communities redacted take?
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
Yep. This omicron is busting through the double AZ vaxxed. Not much evidence of serious illness thus far, mind.
There's no evidence that the Winnie-The-Pooh variant is widespread yet. Even with the shortest possible doubling times, it is still a minor component of a Delta based epidemic.
Tim Spector estimates 4000 cases a day in London....
The problem with that estimate (based on an apparent PCR test difference) is that we are not seeing a surge in cases associated with Winnie-The-Pooh.
Unless, of course something is slowing it down. Massively.
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
Some of the public can get as scared as they like and stay in doors if they want, we have a Tory majority in parliament which will vote down another lockdown trashing the economy and remove any PM who tries to impose one. End of.
Aren't the Conservatives reliant upon the pensioner voting block? Those who have the most to fear from the virus and are most supportive of lockdowns.
Boris putting business first may play well for the libertarians. Less so the covid fearing early voting oldies you need.
Voters oppose closing pubs and restaurants by 49% to 31% in the latest Comres
I imagine the age distribution doesn't favour you. And if the perception of putting wealth before health kicks in the most vulnerable i.e the postal voters will have the most to loose.
The official response is Boris was just briefly thanking staff....
Clearly another lie and will blow up again.
Either way he dd it on Zoom so who cares
Do you do much on video platforms? Zoom, Teams (boo), Webex (fuck no) and Google Meet (yay) - done the lot. Work, social, and a combination of both.
There is a difference between being on Zoon where you are in the office surrounded by people with remote workers joining remotely and being the remote person. The Mirror article purports that Downing Street was the people hub with lots of illegal people. Which means "he did it on Zoom" is illegal
Video meetings are now so embedded that people ask "which one". Can I put a word in for Teams being bottom of the pile, preferably buried under 12ft of concrete?
New - NHS England will call up all over-30s who've been double jabbed >3mths ago to get booster from *Monday*
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
Yep. This omicron is busting through the double AZ vaxxed. Not much evidence of serious illness thus far, mind.
There's no evidence that the Winnie-The-Pooh variant is widespread yet. Even with the shortest possible doubling times, it is still a minor component of a Delta based epidemic.
Tim Spector estimates 4000 cases a day in London....
The problem with that estimate (based on an apparent PCR test difference) is that we are not seeing a surge in cases associated with Winnie-The-Pooh.
Unless, of course something is slowing it down. Massively.
No major surges nationally but London covid rates increasing in last few days and according to HSAUK have the highest percentage of probable Omicron at 34 percent - so very roughly extrapolate to 4000 new cases daily https://t.co/hNkPFtoMJ0
More opportunity for all participants to engage when #lockdown4 starts 27 Dec. For three months
GN all
Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
You sound very curt and cheesed of now HYUFD, and I can understand and empathise why. I don’t need to know what your non PB recreations are, but suggest why not a fasting away from PB day, touching base with the other things in your life?
In fact it can still be politics, just immersion yourself in some reading rediscovering what your own core value is, from what is a wide field on the political centre and right often in conflict. I suggested contrasts by Pugin the other day. He is Conservative. Libertarian ideas would be Ann Rand? Hayek is also very eloquent why Conservatism is right.
Being a fellow Christian have you gone into T S Eliot Ideas of a Christian Society?
I am awaiting my local Episcopal Church reopening after a long refit. I haven't been to church for a few years. Miss it.
The official response is Boris was just briefly thanking staff....
Clearly another lie and will blow up again.
Either way he dd it on Zoom so who cares
Do you do much on video platforms? Zoom, Teams (boo), Webex (fuck no) and Google Meet (yay) - done the lot. Work, social, and a combination of both.
There is a difference between being on Zoon where you are in the office surrounded by people with remote workers joining remotely and being the remote person. The Mirror article purports that Downing Street was the people hub with lots of illegal people. Which means "he did it on Zoom" is illegal
Video meetings are now so embedded that people ask "which one". Can I put a word in for Teams being bottom of the pile, preferably buried under 12ft of concrete?
Its not exactly what most people will have imagined from a Boris party.....very least, i imagined tales of Boris tie on his head, off his tits, dancing on the tables.
Chapter Five - There shall be no Disturbance of Free Elections.
And because elections ought to be free, the King commandeth upon great Forfeiture, that no man by Force of Arms, nor by Malice, or Menacing, shall disturb any to make free Election.
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Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
You sound very curt and cheesed of now HYUFD, and I can understand and empathise why. I don’t need to know what your non PB recreations are, but suggest why not a fasting away from PB day, touching base with the other things in your life?
In fact it can still be politics, just immersion yourself in some reading rediscovering what your own core value is, from what is a wide field on the political centre and right often in conflict. I suggested contrasts by Pugin the other day. He is Conservative. Libertarian ideas would be Ann Rand? Hayek is also very eloquent why Conservatism is right.
Being a fellow Christian have you gone into T S Eliot Ideas of a Christian Society?
I may look into the latter, however conservativsm is a broad coalition of libertarians, social conservatives and centrists.
Incidentally most of this evening I was out at dinner at a Christmas social in Docklands not on PB at all
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Not happening, Tory MPs would vote it down and no Tory PM would survive allowing it. Plus this time there would be riots to contend with too given the polling now shows most voters want to keep the pubs and restaurants open and not ban mixing with other households
Lets see after 2-3 weeks of media banging on about 100k+ cases....people quickly go from very relaxed to very scared.
Cases are irrelevant, it is hospitalisations that matter and vaccines, boosters and vaxports can deal with that.
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
I know cases are irrelevant, but I am saying the public quickly get very scared.
Some of the public can get as scared as they like and stay in doors if they want, we have a Tory majority in parliament which will vote down another lockdown trashing the economy and remove any PM who tries to impose one. End of.
Aren't the Conservatives reliant upon the pensioner voting block? Those who have the most to fear from the virus and are most supportive of lockdowns.
Boris putting business first may play well for the libertarians. Less so the covid fearing early voting oldies you need.
Voters oppose closing pubs and restaurants by 49% to 31% in the latest Comres
I imagine the age distribution doesn't favour you. And if the perception of putting wealth before health kicks in the most vulnerable i.e the postal voters will have the most to loose.
The most supportive of lockdown are mainly Labour voting public sector workers who can wfh indefinitely anyway.
Most pensioners have had their boosters now so are little affected by Omicron, small businessmen however, Tory core vote in towns and cities up and down the land, would be devastated by another lockdown
Two serious proper questions. Firstly How do we think the media narrative will go this week? For things to have legs, new and newsworthy things need to emerge don’t they? The wallpaper one is over now with geet not resigning. Party gate running out of steam in coming days as a news item? Restrictions rebellion has been muted by salami votes. And covid is going to dominate news agenda, and possibly the Ukraine invasion. Obviously what happens Thursday may make a difference. Secondly, the speaker has called time on parliament on Tuesday, almost like the bell ringing at a boxing match? Saving someone. Can any letters go in, be acted on, a vote take place when politics is in recess, acattered around the country wrapping presents? And without fuel in the media, where doth the polling?
The Afghanistan story is also a bit too old now to come back, having been drowned out by the party.
Next week it’s N Shropshire. That’s either going to be the coup de grâce, or a reprieve that sees him safe for now.
Regarding the Afghan story, is there still a select committee report to come?
Yes
So the story will likely be resurfaced at that point.
Plus, any further evidence of any Johnson involvement in the Nowzad evacuation would be extreely damaging.
Thank you for your responses. The picture being painted is more difficulties for Boris exciting the media at some point, just probably not much until the by election? So it sort of dies down and off news programmes a bit?
Could it though flair up using other names? A lot of posters have mentioned the demeanour of Sunak in front the cameras this week - does he have a skeleton to be unearthed? He doesn’t have to be boozing or partying, just present at a large “gathering”?
The other thing is what's the next scandal? There's bound to be one just around the corner.
That’s a good point, there’s two ways of second guessing it. What could the next scandal for Boris I think you mean, but perhaps the government as a whole. What else could leak to be damaging? Minutes about covid procurements? The Afghan “operation hound” report could leak?
But also what news stories can help the government spinnmachine distract. Any other big news stories can break this week, pushing covid and Boris down the news? Russia have a lot of personnel sat around in the cold? What about last of the year economic announcements, huge leap in inflation or bad other measure spooking the markets? Or perhaps supply chain issues causing shopping panics? Very sorry for all these questions. Feeling like a Randy moonrabbit right now, I made the approach, but she said no, it might wake her parents. So sorry PB you are stuck with me. No one gets what they want tonight 😗
In the pub we took our boots off and danced a very long time. I’m yawning now. Very much looking forward to long walk in countryside tomorrow.
Before I go I had another thought about media narrative.
The smoking gun the Afghan report could unleash might not be pets are us flight, is the advice to ministers in the lead up to the sudden Taliban advance. Do you recall a furious May saying the intelligence to you couldn’t have been that wrong, when ministers were blaming that in the commons. Maybe that part was behind closed doors, we will get to hear the intelligence communities redacted take?
The Afghan situation is that old classic - a reporting chain hearing what it wants to hear.
For a number of years, people on the ground in Afghanistan referred to the Afghan President as the Mayor of Kabul. But the group think of the intervening nations was that with just a little more effort.....
The Plan
In the beginning, there was a plan, And then came the assumptions, And the assumptions were without form, And the plan without substance,
And the darkness was upon the face of the workers, And they spoke among themselves saying, "It is a crock of shit and it stinks."
And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said, "It is a pile of dung, and we cannot live with the smell."
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers saying, "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, Such that none may abide by it."
And the Managers went unto their Directors saying, "It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide by its strength."
And the Directors spoke among themselves saying to one another, "It contains that which aids plants growth, and it is very strong."
And the Directors went to the Vice Presidents saying unto them, "It promotes growth, and it is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went to the President, saying unto him, "This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor Of the company With very powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the Plan And saw that it was good, And the Plan became Policy.
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I cannot remember Mrs P or I expecting or getting anything like that level of support from our parents once we reached 20 or so.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1469724658354249728?t=SS2VsDuxjke4dwZ-J6vJTQ&s=19
Omnicron is going to go through this city faster than shit off a shovel. I am on duty though over the holidays so really need to keep clear until my colleagues are back in Jan. I shall be at the match tomorrow in an FFP3 too.
If you have any evidence, I've not seen it. I don't believe it exists.
Having evidence that people in controlled environments wearing masks properly, instead of mandates where people end up with chin hammocks, is a different thing.
If so send her my love and empathy. You can avoid it in the same house with some organisation and give and take. We are 2-2 in the family positive/negative.
A cloth mask chin hammock that isn't covering your mouth or nose is not.
If we spent more effort educating those who want to wear a mask on what they should wear and how to wear it, that'd do far more than compelling those who don't want to wear one ever could.
I can raise a glass to that 🙂
Plus you would need to at least double that to get to Blair pre 1997 levels
Yes "nothing has changed". Yes "Brexit means Brexit". Yes "darkies go home". But she increased the Tory vote by 20% over 2015 in that silly re-election of 2017...
And by wearing a mask for this purpose, you are encouraging others to do the same. Good for them - and you.
Obviously NOT fail safe. But helps shave the odds, which OUGHT to have some appeal to PBers?
She feels like crap, has lost her smell but isn't as ill as the girl was a week ago. Yet. Hope you are on the mend DD.
FFP3 are far superior, while not being very expensive. The thing I found is also that a good FFP3 fit snuggly and so I don't spend half my time pissing about pulling it up etc. I put it on and that is that.
A public education campaign would be very sensible. In the UK, we were even encouraged initially to make our own out of cloth. Where as now, any hardware store will sell you an FFP3 one.
I'm not going looking for your imaginary evidence.
Otherwise go with cloth. But then I'm triple jabbed. And NOT hanging out in crowd much at all, and then for limited duration.
And the kind of place where I do go, the rate of masking (and also jabbing) is pretty high. For example, about 99% these days at my local supermarket.
But I don't believe any such evidence exists, which is why you're so shy to share it now. When I have evidence for my posts, I'm not coy about sharing it.
Currently his shift finishes at 8 pm on Xmas Eve and he starts again on the Monday. There are literally no trains that would get him here and back again so he would be completely alone. He has asked to do an earlier shift and start a later shift on his day back so he can use the train like everyone else. Hopefully his bosses will accommodate him.
But, especially if a new lockdown happens, I don't want him to be on his own and I want him to feel a part of his family and be here - in our first family Xmas in our new home. As does he.
Remember also my nephew died by his own hand last year. I do not want my son to feel left out. A car journey - if it has to happen - is a good opportunity for us to have some private time together.
But also what news stories can help the government spinnmachine distract. Any other big news stories can break this week, pushing covid and Boris down the news?
Russia have a lot of personnel sat around in the cold? What about last of the year economic announcements, huge leap in inflation or bad other measure spooking the markets? Or perhaps supply chain issues causing shopping panics?
Very sorry for all these questions. Feeling like a Randy moonrabbit right now, I made the approach, but she said no, it might wake her parents.
So sorry PB you are stuck with me. No one gets what they want tonight 😗
Wifey tested positive on LF this morning after negatives yesterday and Thursday before heading into (primary school) work. I'm still negative and feel great despite waking up this morning curled up spooning with skin to skin contact. Not saying a positive isn't in the post, and will of course be taking myself and the boy off for more PCRs. My booster is booked on the first day I am allowed out if I don't get caught...
When I was a small boy, my Mom told me to cover my nose when I sneezed, to help keep my germs to myself. Never thought to ask her to cite evidence for what was self-evident.
I am well. Apart from having to think really carefully before I write.
Hope all goes for the best for you and yours.
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I wanted to test whether my recollection of what's been happening with cases since England dumped nearly all domestic restrictions in mid-July was anywhere close to accurate, so I simply went to the data dashboard and transcribed the case rates per 100,000 people for the first day of the month in August through to December. The results were a little odd:
1/8
Scotland 144
Wales 142
England 284
NI 438
1/9
Scotland 794
Wales 466
England 312
NI 534
1/10
Scotland 321
Wales 514
England 336
NI 395
1/11
Scotland 330
Wales 563
England 409
NI 427
1/12
Scotland 344
Wales 498
England 476
NI 637
Scotland appears to have had a particularly steep spike in cases around the end of the Summer, which I assume is associated with the earlier end of school Summer holidays there - despite the fact that I believe that mask mandates have been maintained continuously in Scottish secondaries since their return. After that, Scotland's case rate came back down and stabilised through the Autumn.
England had worse statistics than Scotland or Wales at the start of August, which I think must be to do with "freedom day" on July 19th, but has since outperformed Wales on case rates, despite the latter having kept tighter restrictions throughout, and has only gradually pulled ahead of Scotland through late Autumn.
Northern Ireland, where the authorities appear to have been more cautious about removing restrictions than anywhere else, was nevertheless in a substantially worse state than England in late Summer, closed the gap during the Autumn, but has recently pulled ahead of the whole of the rest of the country going into Winter.
Why it is that, broadly speaking, Wales appears to have had significantly higher case rates than both Scotland and England during the Autumn period (save for the Scottish case spike that was evident in the September comparison,) despite the fact that Wales and Scotland both retained some restrictions that England junked, isn't clear. One thing that the numbers don't appear to suggest is that low-level restrictions, notably the wearing of simple cloth or paper masks, are much use against Delta, but that may just be confirmation bias on my part because I doubt their value.
Anyway, all things being equal, if NPIs were making a significant difference then you'd expect England to be doing worse than the rest of the country for the bulk of the time. But things are evidently not equal. What else could be going on here?
But the key quote in the article is that there was a culture of office piss ups that Boris didn't discourage, and I think that is why he has got himself in a bind.
I can well understand why you want to take the time to ensure he's not on his own. I hope you get some rest time yourself amongst all that.
I thought one of the major bonuses of the reshuffle was that he had been removed from Cabinet office and sent to local government/housing were his baleful presence could no longer continually turn the ratchet on all sorts of mad biostate ideas?
Vaccines chief Emily Lawson: "With the emergence of the new variant and the rising case numbers, there has never been a more important time to get boosted."
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1469819537516228608?s=20
Far from being a helicopter parent I am benignly neglectful. But I love them fiercely and deeply and make no apologies for that.
Take care
Plus we have a Tory majority in parliament most of whose MPs will topple any Tory PM if they even consider another lockdown
Not much evidence of serious illness thus far, mind.
I am preparing for something that won't be called a "lockdown", but significantly heightened restrictions during Jan / Feb. We are seeing all the precursors over the past few days.
The negative LFT despite symptoms is a really worrying development.
Full lockdown again is not
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59625432
The official response is Boris was just briefly thanking staff....
Clearly another lie and will blow up again.
You are spouting bullshit.
You’re not a doctor, just a corrupt moron
Twitter is a swamp. Nuke from orbit is too good for it.
Not when you breathe.
Boris putting business first may play well for the libertarians. Less so the covid fearing early voting oldies you need.
In fact it can still be politics, just immersion yourself in some reading rediscovering what your own core value is, from what is a wide field on the political centre and right often in conflict. I suggested contrasts by Pugin the other day. He is Conservative. Libertarian ideas would be Ann Rand? Hayek is also very eloquent why Conservatism is right.
Being a fellow Christian have you gone into T S Eliot Ideas of a Christian Society?
Gove brings down Johnson by engineering plan c?
Has Truss got a partner for the dance?
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1469795802574958601?s=20
Time to write that Shakespeare crap book.
So wifey feeling crap yesterday / Thursday night was put down to blob. Not Covid. So negative tests were expected. Even Saturday morning as I left she didn't seem that ill.
Talking can also be problematic, esp. if you're a loud talker and get excited.
And of course singing - for example, by choirs - was a factor in a number of serious early COVID outbreaks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10297923/Women-deserting-Boris-Johnson-Poll-shows-two-thirds-voters-dont-trust-PM.html
What some people seem to have not accepted yet is that Covid is going to spread either way now. We need to live with it. So if its not you spreading Covid, its somebody else, either now or later on - it isn't going anywhere.
Spreading Covid isn't an issue. Getting sick with Covid is and its the vaccines that work to prevent that.
Vaccinations and boosters are the only way out, not another lockdown
Before I go I had another thought about media narrative.
The smoking gun the Afghan report could unleash might not be pets are us flight, is the advice to ministers in the lead up to the sudden Taliban advance. Do you recall a furious May saying the intelligence to you couldn’t have been that wrong, when ministers were blaming that in the commons. Maybe that part was behind closed doors, we will get to hear the intelligence communities redacted take?
Unless, of course something is slowing it down. Massively.
There is a difference between being on Zoon where you are in the office surrounded by people with remote workers joining remotely and being the remote person. The Mirror article purports that Downing Street was the people hub with lots of illegal people. Which means "he did it on Zoom" is illegal
Video meetings are now so embedded that people ask "which one". Can I put a word in for Teams being bottom of the pile, preferably buried under 12ft of concrete?
Chapter Five - There shall be no Disturbance of Free Elections.
And because elections ought to be free, the King commandeth upon great Forfeiture, that no man by Force of Arms, nor by Malice, or Menacing, shall disturb any to make free Election.
https://books.google.com/books?id=iPQuAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA74#v=onepage&q&f=false
SSI - According to Wiki and legislation.gov.uk, this is the only part of this statute still with force of law.
Incidentally most of this evening I was out at dinner at a Christmas social in Docklands not on PB at all
It's only Gove that you're feeling
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Most pensioners have had their boosters now so are little affected by Omicron, small businessmen however, Tory core vote in towns and cities up and down the land, would be devastated by another lockdown
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17012430/boris-johnson-covid-lockdown-rules-dinner-date-carrie/
Its as weak as piss story, but the fact they are putting the boot in says something.
For a number of years, people on the ground in Afghanistan referred to the Afghan President as the Mayor of Kabul. But the group think of the intervening nations was that with just a little more effort.....
The Plan
In the beginning, there was a plan,
And then came the assumptions,
And the assumptions were without form,
And the plan without substance,
And the darkness was upon the face of the workers,
And they spoke among themselves saying,
"It is a crock of shit and it stinks."
And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said,
"It is a pile of dung, and we cannot live with the smell."
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers saying,
"It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,
Such that none may abide by it."
And the Managers went unto their Directors saying,
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide by its strength."
And the Directors spoke among themselves saying to one another,
"It contains that which aids plants growth, and it is very strong."
And the Directors went to the Vice Presidents saying unto them,
"It promotes growth, and it is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went to the President, saying unto him,
"This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor
Of the company With very powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the Plan
And saw that it was good,
And the Plan became Policy.
And this, my friend, is how shit happens.