DAILY MAIL: One rule for them, new rules for the rest of us. Plus Why is it always the woman who Carrie’s the can? By @WestminsterWAG #TomorrowsPapersToday
There were no extra restrictions announced tonight or any new lockdowns, all that was asked was a perfectly reasonable requirement for vaccine passports for nightclubs and large events and masks to be worn in cinemas and theatres.
As for Labour's mere 4% poll lead, even Ed Miliband and Kinnock got far bigger leads than that midterm, let alone Blair
Your problem is that every mistake is coming from idiotic levels of thoughtlessness.
Not a lack of thought for the proles (that's a given) but a lack of thought about how damaging these actions will be for themselves.
If that doesn't stop then you will keep losing support.
Someone needs to start saying No to Boris and Boris needs to start saying No to Carrie.
And if they don't they have to go - responsibility is required now not a pair of spoilt brats.
Boris was not even at this party, this is just attacks by the left liberal media to get rid of him.
The level of treachery by some backbencher MPs who owe their seats to Boris makes me as angry as the traitors who got rid of Maggie, our greatest leader since Churchill. We had to wait until Boris to get an election victory of the size she won.
I am furious tonight and if these traitors think they can get rid of Boris with no consequences they have another thing coming.
You don't get it do you? It is not about being at the party, it is about lying about the party that broke the rules. And this is the tip of the iceberg of endless lies and abuse of rules and conventions that the rest of us follow.
I really do feel sorry for HFUYD. That level of blind loyalty will only end in tears - particularly when Boris throws everyone under the bus.
Boris won a large majority because it was the only chance for Brexit to “be completed” (whatever that means). He’s served that purpose - and now proving to be absolutely useless
There is nobody else who would have won the RedWall as Boris did or the size of victory Boris did, if he is forced out the traitors who do so will find Boris loyalists prepare their own equivalent of Momentum to retake the party.
Take a rest
I'd love to know where this army of Boris loyalists are preparing to retake the Party?
Other than HYUFD is there a single person here that is a 'Boris loyalist'? I've been accused of it in the past, but I'm calling for letters to go in to Graham Brady.
And HYUFD himself we all know will go in for reprogramming and be a blind loyalist to the next leader anyway, even if its Liz Truss, just as he's been a blind loyalist for every party leader ever.
So where are these 'loyalists'?
Only a third of 2019 Tory voters want Boris to go on the polling today, given you voted for Blair twice you are hardly a typical Tory voter
Lose a third of your voters and you lose office. 🤦♂️
If Big G and I aren't voting for the Tories in the next election, then prepare for Opposition.
Starmer is welcome to you
I think you said earlier that you would not vote for the Tories under Truss unless you were confident she had renounced her Republicanism?
God how I despise that kind of conditional, temporising, fair weather so called conservatism. Why not bugger off and join the SWP?
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
“ So, I have a very simple message: if you want a referendum; if you want to give the British people a final say on Brexit: vote Labour. Only Labour will let the people decide on this vital issue.
Sir Keir Starmer is Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary”
They didn’t want a referendum, so they didn’t vote Labour
There were no extra restrictions announced tonight or any new lockdowns, all that was asked was a perfectly reasonable requirement for vaccine passports for nightclubs and large events and masks to be worn in cinemas and theatres.
As for Labour's mere 4% poll lead, even Ed Miliband and Kinnock got far bigger leads than that midterm, let alone Blair
Your problem is that every mistake is coming from idiotic levels of thoughtlessness.
Not a lack of thought for the proles (that's a given) but a lack of thought about how damaging these actions will be for themselves.
If that doesn't stop then you will keep losing support.
Someone needs to start saying No to Boris and Boris needs to start saying No to Carrie.
And if they don't they have to go - responsibility is required now not a pair of spoilt brats.
Boris was not even at this party, this is just attacks by the left liberal media to get rid of him.
The level of treachery by some backbencher MPs who owe their seats to Boris makes me as angry as the traitors who got rid of Maggie, our greatest leader since Churchill. We had to wait until Boris to get an election victory of the size she won.
I am furious tonight and if these traitors think they can get rid of Boris with no consequences they have another thing coming.
You don't get it do you? It is not about being at the party, it is about lying about the party that broke the rules. And this is the tip of the iceberg of endless lies and abuse of rules and conventions that the rest of us follow.
I really do feel sorry for HFUYD. That level of blind loyalty will only end in tears - particularly when Boris throws everyone under the bus.
Boris won a large majority because it was the only chance for Brexit to “be completed” (whatever that means). He’s served that purpose - and now proving to be absolutely useless
There is nobody else who would have won the RedWall as Boris did or the size of victory Boris did, if he is forced out the traitors who do so will find Boris loyalists prepare their own equivalent of Momentum to retake the party.
Take a rest
I'd love to know where this army of Boris loyalists are preparing to retake the Party?
Other than HYUFD is there a single person here that is a 'Boris loyalist'? I've been accused of it in the past, but I'm calling for letters to go in to Graham Brady.
And HYUFD himself we all know will go in for reprogramming and be a blind loyalist to the next leader anyway, even if its Liz Truss, just as he's been a blind loyalist for every party leader ever.
So where are these 'loyalists'?
Only a third of 2019 Tory voters want Boris to go on the polling today, given you voted for Blair twice you are hardly a typical Tory voter
If a third of people who voted for you want you to resign, that's REALLY bad. Remind me, what proportion of 1992 Tory voters turned on Major in 1997?
Labour only has a 4% lead in the polls tonight even despite all this, Major was over 20% behind in many polls pre 1997.
Even Kinnock and Ed Miliband had bigger midterm poll leads than Starmer does
I agree it's possible to salvage. But you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. You've literally just told a couple of people who ought to be solidly in the Tory column to p*ss off. You may be a blind loyalist, and may well have been drinking since breakfast, but seriously.
He's also claimed that the current and former leaders of the Scottish Conservatives aren't real Tories, which raised interesting issues given he's supposed to be a Unionist (and, more philosophically, future Oxford PPE exam questions on the lines of "Who is a True Scottish Tory? Discuss.")
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
If you don't want to educate yourself on what actually happened then don't. But Keir Starmer was not responsible for the Brexit policy, it was John McDonnell.
There were no extra restrictions announced tonight or any new lockdowns, all that was asked was a perfectly reasonable requirement for vaccine passports for nightclubs and large events and masks to be worn in cinemas and theatres.
As for Labour's mere 4% poll lead, even Ed Miliband and Kinnock got far bigger leads than that midterm, let alone Blair
Your problem is that every mistake is coming from idiotic levels of thoughtlessness.
Not a lack of thought for the proles (that's a given) but a lack of thought about how damaging these actions will be for themselves.
If that doesn't stop then you will keep losing support.
Someone needs to start saying No to Boris and Boris needs to start saying No to Carrie.
And if they don't they have to go - responsibility is required now not a pair of spoilt brats.
Boris was not even at this party, this is just attacks by the left liberal media to get rid of him.
The level of treachery by some backbencher MPs who owe their seats to Boris makes me as angry as the traitors who got rid of Maggie, our greatest leader since Churchill. We had to wait until Boris to get an election victory of the size she won.
I am furious tonight and if these traitors think they can get rid of Boris with no consequences they have another thing coming.
You don't get it do you? It is not about being at the party, it is about lying about the party that broke the rules. And this is the tip of the iceberg of endless lies and abuse of rules and conventions that the rest of us follow.
I really do feel sorry for HFUYD. That level of blind loyalty will only end in tears - particularly when Boris throws everyone under the bus.
Boris won a large majority because it was the only chance for Brexit to “be completed” (whatever that means). He’s served that purpose - and now proving to be absolutely useless
There is nobody else who would have won the RedWall as Boris did or the size of victory Boris did, if he is forced out the traitors who do so will find Boris loyalists prepare their own equivalent of Momentum to retake the party.
Take a rest
I'd love to know where this army of Boris loyalists are preparing to retake the Party?
Other than HYUFD is there a single person here that is a 'Boris loyalist'? I've been accused of it in the past, but I'm calling for letters to go in to Graham Brady.
And HYUFD himself we all know will go in for reprogramming and be a blind loyalist to the next leader anyway, even if its Liz Truss, just as he's been a blind loyalist for every party leader ever.
So where are these 'loyalists'?
Only a third of 2019 Tory voters want Boris to go on the polling today, given you voted for Blair twice you are hardly a typical Tory voter
Lose a third of your voters and you lose office. 🤦♂️
If Big G and I aren't voting for the Tories in the next election, then prepare for Opposition.
Starmer is welcome to you
I think you said earlier that you would not vote for the Tories under Truss unless you were confident she had renounced her Republicanism?
God how I despise that kind of conditional, temporising, fair weather so called conservatism. Why not bugger off and join the SWP?
Quisling.
Because that is about preserving Tory values, not about removing the most successful Tory election winner since Thatcher
I would love it to be true that TSE was right on this and Johnson is doomed. But I have thought he was doomed long before now and have been proved wrong time and time again. If he had any honour or his party had any balls (and sense) then he would already be an ex-PM. But all of those things - honour, balls and sense - seem to be lacking in modern politics so I expect Johnson to hang on and tough this out almost no matter what and the country and our politics will be much the worse for it.
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
“ So, I have a very simple message: if you want a referendum; if you want to give the British people a final say on Brexit: vote Labour. Only Labour will let the people decide on this vital issue.
Sir Keir Starmer is Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary”
They didn’t want a referendum, so they didn’t vote Labour
“ The fact is that the former shadow Brexit secretary did indeed play a key role in shifting his party to support a second referendum. Don’t forget that in 2018 he won his first roar from a Labour conference, when he thundered “nobody is ruling out Remain as an option!”
The Tories certainly haven’t forgotten, and I’m told they fully intend to exploit that clip at the next election as his Achilles heel, telling Red Wall voters that Starmer is the man who wanted to tear up their historic decision.
The Conservatives are likely to have an additional attack line on Starmer’s flip-flopping over the subject too. In the 2017, he successfully secured the inclusion in the manifesto a pledge to end free movement of EU citizens, yet by the 2019 manifesto the whole issue would be up for ‘negotiation’ with Brussels. And in his own leadership campaign he pledged to “defend free movement”.
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
If you don't want to educate yourself on what actually happened then don't. But Keir Starmer was not responsible for the Brexit policy, it was John McDonnell.
That's bollocks. Starmer pursued a 2nd vote relentlessly. AND he was Shadow Brexit Minister. He will not - must not - be allowed to forget it
It was evident Major was stuffed and yet the Tories never got rid of him.
I wonder if BoJo will be the same way
Yes. And May dragged herself on long after she had served her purpose. The 1922 banged desks for her after she threw away a majority against Corbyn. Instead of binning her as a dead me loss. The Tories' reputation for ruthlessness really rests on IDS. And that was IDS.
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
Interestingly, did no one in No 10 (when they had put down their cheese straws and glass of plonk) think that the headlines would end up being along the lines of 'they disobey the rules, while they give us new rules'?
Trying to convince people Starmer didn't do everything possible to stop Brexit is like trying to convince people Boris had absolutely no idea about any parties going on in #10.
Quite comically bad politics to have had today’s presser on the back of last nights video. I supposed if he hadn’t, the Sage meeting would have leaked and he’d have been shafted from the opposite direction.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
Reminds me of the Oxford pub my friends frequented ca 1980 which had milk on draught for the rowing teams. (Not from the cow, sadly.)
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
Don't overlook the choice of word/pun in Mrs Gove's piece on Stratton
"The revolution stalls Behind the chaos and scandal of Boris Johnson’s government lies stasis Two years after a famous election victory, a would-be radical administration has run into the ground" (£)
And can someone explain how Allegra Stratton got that job - she looked like total idiot in that clip.
I expect that governments are going to spend millions to make themselves look good.
But its the incompetence which is unacceptable.
And Stratton was clearly incompetent.
Come on Richard. It was a leaked video. Did you think it was an actual press conference?
Yes, but if it was atypical why did she never do proper ones? For that matter did she do anything at Cop26?
It is wrong to judge her based on that clip, but it supports the narrative that she wasn't up to the job. There is an interesting question as to how she got in to the position, and another as to what she was actually doing for £125k per year.
All of this supports the popular suspicion that there is some kind of weird court going on in No.10; full of acolytes and Carries friends; and this is behind the continuous errors of judgements and political disasters. Until recently I thought Boris could ride it out, but the situation seems to be going downhill fast. In particular, the denials about parties etc in No.10 seem deeply unwise, in light of the likelihood of further revelations.
If Boris is going to survive there probably needs to be a clear out and new advisors bought in. But Carrie doesn't seem like someone who can be easily banished off the scene.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Just keep repeating fake news all you like, the reality that is not disputed is that the person that implemented the policy was John McDonnell.
Starmer's job was to deliver the policy, the policy which he did not push through himself. Should he have resigned on that basis, probably - but he was not the person who pushed the party to Remain. He tried to deliver Brexit.
Quite comically bad politics to have had today’s presser on the back of last nights video. I supposed if he hadn’t, the Sage meeting would have leaked and he’d have been shafted from the opposite direction.
Was there some sort of prettifying filter on the camera in the mock press conference? Never mind that she is not very happy, Stratton in that pic looks 30 years older than Stratton in the video
I would love it to be true that TSE was right on this and Johnson is doomed. But I have thought he was doomed long before now and have been proved wrong time and time again. If he had any honour or his party had any balls (and sense) then he would already be an ex-PM. But all of those things - honour, balls and sense - seem to be lacking in modern politics so I expect Johnson to hang on and tough this out almost no matter what and the country and our politics will be much the worse for it.
I would love it to be true that TSE was right on this and Johnson is doomed. But I have thought he was doomed long before now and have been proved wrong time and time again. If he had any honour or his party had any balls (and sense) then he would already be an ex-PM. But all of those things - honour, balls and sense - seem to be lacking in modern politics so I expect Johnson to hang on and tough this out almost no matter what and the country and our politics will be much the worse for it.
Quite comically bad politics to have had today’s presser on the back of last nights video. I supposed if he hadn’t, the Sage meeting would have leaked and he’d have been shafted from the opposite direction.
Was there some sort of prettifying filter on the camera in the mock press conference? Never mind that she is not very happy, Stratton in that pic looks 30 years older than Stratton in the video
I though that as well - two completely different people
Quite comically bad politics to have had today’s presser on the back of last nights video. I supposed if he hadn’t, the Sage meeting would have leaked and he’d have been shafted from the opposite direction.
Was there some sort of prettifying filter on the camera in the mock press conference? Never mind that she is not very happy, Stratton in that pic looks 30 years older than Stratton in the video
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
Quite comically bad politics to have had today’s presser on the back of last nights video. I supposed if he hadn’t, the Sage meeting would have leaked and he’d have been shafted from the opposite direction.
Was there some sort of prettifying filter on the camera in the mock press conference? Never mind that she is not very happy, Stratton in that pic looks 30 years older than Stratton in the video
I though that as well - two completely different people
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
I would love it to be true that TSE was right on this and Johnson is doomed. But I have thought he was doomed long before now and have been proved wrong time and time again. If he had any honour or his party had any balls (and sense) then he would already be an ex-PM. But all of those things - honour, balls and sense - seem to be lacking in modern politics so I expect Johnson to hang on and tough this out almost no matter what and the country and our politics will be much the worse for it.
You may well be right.
Then again Boris could be gone by the weekend.
Isn't politics great!
You are just trying to cheer me up. Thanks I do appreciate it.
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and go back on this word. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019. All these politicians saying yes we will definitely agree with the vote, but, wait, we have an objection, we are just trying to ensure, wait wait you haven't dotted an i here, we can't do anything until......there will be loads and loads of clips of this nonsense.
It was worse than a politician just lying outright about some curtains. It was this continuous process of trying to stifle the vote.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Haha! Sorry your hero is flushing himself down the pan at a rate of knots. You'll just have to go back to fawning over Vlad.
And can someone explain how Allegra Stratton got that job - she looked like total idiot in that clip.
I expect that governments are going to spend millions to make themselves look good.
But its the incompetence which is unacceptable.
And Stratton was clearly incompetent.
Come on Richard. It was a leaked video. Did you think it was an actual press conference?
Yes, but if it was atypical why did she never do proper ones? For that matter did she do anything at Cop26?
It is wrong to judge her based on that clip, but it supports the narrative that she wasn't up to the job. There is an interesting question as to how she got in to the position, and another as to what she was actually doing for £125k per year.
All of this supports the popular suspicion that there is some kind of weird court going on in No.10; full of acolytes and Carries friends; and this is behind the continuous errors of judgements and political disasters. Until recently I thought Boris could ride it out, but the situation seems to be going downhill fast. In particular, the denials about parties etc in No.10 seem deeply unwise, in light of the likelihood of further revelations.
If Boris is going to survive there probably needs to be a clear out and new advisors bought in. But Carrie doesn't seem like someone who can be easily banished off the scene.
Am I alone in thinking that the No 10 machine is a lot worse since Dom left?
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
Don't overlook the choice of word/pun in Mrs Gove's piece on Stratton
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and do it. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019.
Reducing the Labour GE vote by 10 points in two years - mind you, Boris looks like he’s done that to the Cons!
I would love it to be true that TSE was right on this and Johnson is doomed. But I have thought he was doomed long before now and have been proved wrong time and time again. If he had any honour or his party had any balls (and sense) then he would already be an ex-PM. But all of those things - honour, balls and sense - seem to be lacking in modern politics so I expect Johnson to hang on and tough this out almost no matter what and the country and our politics will be much the worse for it.
You may well be right.
Then again Boris could be gone by the weekend.
Isn't politics great!
Weekend, that's optimistic....
If there’s no coronation, I lean towards a caretaker being needed if he does go in the next 4-8 weeks. Would backbenchers trust May? Maybe? Who else without ambition could step up and do it? Baron Billy Hague? Remember that PM is not necessarily the same thing as Leader of the Party.
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
Reminds me of the Oxford pub my friends frequented ca 1980 which had milk on draught for the rowing teams. (Not from the cow, sadly.)
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
Reminds me of the Oxford pub my friends frequented ca 1980 which had milk on draught for the rowing teams. (Not from the cow, sadly.)
There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Dom, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our Raaboodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington Milkbar sold Milk-plus, milk plus GM soya or corn syrup or chlorinated chicken, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old No-Deal Brexit.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
SeanT is back in the zone.
I am not this SeanT oaf. I am willing to admit that yes, I have now had wine
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and do it. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019. All these politicians saying yes we will definitely agree with the vote, but, wait, we have an objection, we are just trying to ensure, wait wait you haven't dotted an i here, we can't do anything until......there will be loads and loads of clips of this nonsense.
He didn't try to shut down parliament, unlike Johnson.
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and do it. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019. All these politicians saying yes we will definitely agree with the vote, but, wait, we have an objection, we are just trying to ensure, wait wait you haven't dotted an i here, we can't do anything until......there will be loads and loads of clips of this nonsense.
He didn't try to shut down parliament, unlike Johnson.
But those pissed off with the stupid games didn't care about that. And that is why Boris won. Everybody saw parliament was playing silly buggers. Hard core remainers thought they were being oh so clear, a big chunk of the country thought they were trying to stifle a vote.
Now, given all of Boris behaviour, all the above won't wash this time around, which is why the Tories will need somebody else.
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
Reminds me of the Oxford pub my friends frequented ca 1980 which had milk on draught for the rowing teams. (Not from the cow, sadly.)
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
At medical school I once bet the Boat Club Captain that he could not repeat* his feat of Downing a yard of tomato juice. He did pretty well initially, getting down to the bulb within a couple of minutes. Unfortunately it then became too much and he started vomiting. It was like a scene from a horror film...
*He had done it at a previous boat Club AGM, but on this occasion had drunk about a half dozen pints.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
Don't overlook the choice of word/pun in Mrs Gove's piece on Stratton
"Boris Johnson accepted Carrie Symond's resignation as Prime Ministerial wife earlier today. 'Her contribution was immense, but she had become a distraction and we wish her well' commented the ashen faced UK political supremo".
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
At medical school I once bet the Boat Club Captain that he could not repeat* his feat of Downing a yard of tomato juice. He did pretty well initially, getting down to the bulb within a couple of minutes. Unfortunately it then became too much and he started vomiting. It was like a scene from a horror film...
*He had done it at a previous boat Club AGM, but on this occasion had drunk about a half dozen pints.
At the age of 18 I was at a party with friends and we somehow ended up betting against one guy that he couldn't EAT a whole packet of cigarettes. He got about halfway through and then puked his guts up and was severely ill for days
I believe this act is quite dangerous. Nicotine poisoning
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
Yes.
Brexit has lost its electoral salience except among political obsessives, and broadly speaking obsessive Remainers were always going to vote Lab/LD anyway, and obsessive Leavers were always going to vote Con/Faragist.
Very few seats are going to be swung in 2023 (or whenever) by re-fighting Brexit. If Labour wins then we will drift quietly back towards CU+SM, if the Conservatives win we (probably) won't.
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
I think Con will scrape a win. It is donkey with a blue rosette territory, and the postal votes are already substantially in. They voted for Paterson, so clearly incompetence and corruption don't put them off voting Tory.
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
“ So, I have a very simple message: if you want a referendum; if you want to give the British people a final say on Brexit: vote Labour. Only Labour will let the people decide on this vital issue.
Sir Keir Starmer is Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary”
They didn’t want a referendum, so they didn’t vote Labour
The pro-Brexit vote was however flattered by our unfair voting system. And arguably was in the minority.
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and do it. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019. All these politicians saying yes we will definitely agree with the vote, but, wait, we have an objection, we are just trying to ensure, wait wait you haven't dotted an i here, we can't do anything until......there will be loads and loads of clips of this nonsense.
He didn't try to shut down parliament, unlike Johnson.
But those pissed off with the stupid games didn't care about that. And that is why Boris won. Everybody saw parliament was playing silly buggers.
Now, given all of Boris behaviour, all the above won't wash this time around, which is why the Tories will need somebody else.
On that at least we are agreed.
A large part of me hopes the Tories bottle it and keep Johnson on for another two years of scandal, mishap, u-turn, chumocracy and general ineptitude before leading them to ignominious defeat at GE24.
Not good for the country in the short term obviously but I am not convince any other Tory PM would be much better for the country either.
There were no extra restrictions announced tonight or any new lockdowns, all that was asked was a perfectly reasonable requirement for vaccine passports for nightclubs and large events and masks to be worn in cinemas and theatres.
As for Labour's mere 4% poll lead, even Ed Miliband and Kinnock got far bigger leads than that midterm, let alone Blair
Your problem is that every mistake is coming from idiotic levels of thoughtlessness.
Not a lack of thought for the proles (that's a given) but a lack of thought about how damaging these actions will be for themselves.
If that doesn't stop then you will keep losing support.
Someone needs to start saying No to Boris and Boris needs to start saying No to Carrie.
And if they don't they have to go - responsibility is required now not a pair of spoilt brats.
Boris was not even at this party, this is just attacks by the left liberal media to get rid of him.
The level of treachery by some backbencher MPs who owe their seats to Boris makes me as angry as the traitors who got rid of Maggie, our greatest leader since Churchill. We had to wait until Boris to get an election victory of the size she won.
I am furious tonight and if these traitors think they can get rid of Boris with no consequences they have another thing coming.
You don't get it do you? It is not about being at the party, it is about lying about the party that broke the rules. And this is the tip of the iceberg of endless lies and abuse of rules and conventions that the rest of us follow.
I really do feel sorry for HFUYD. That level of blind loyalty will only end in tears - particularly when Boris throws everyone under the bus.
Boris won a large majority because it was the only chance for Brexit to “be completed” (whatever that means). He’s served that purpose - and now proving to be absolutely useless
There is nobody else who would have won the RedWall as Boris did or the size of victory Boris did, if he is forced out the traitors who do so will find Boris loyalists prepare their own equivalent of Momentum to retake the party.
Take a rest
I'd love to know where this army of Boris loyalists are preparing to retake the Party?
Other than HYUFD is there a single person here that is a 'Boris loyalist'? I've been accused of it in the past, but I'm calling for letters to go in to Graham Brady.
And HYUFD himself we all know will go in for reprogramming and be a blind loyalist to the next leader anyway, even if its Liz Truss, just as he's been a blind loyalist for every party leader ever.
So where are these 'loyalists'?
Only a third of 2019 Tory voters want Boris to go on the polling today, given you voted for Blair twice you are hardly a typical Tory voter
Lose a third of your voters and you lose office. 🤦♂️
If Big G and I aren't voting for the Tories in the next election, then prepare for Opposition.
Starmer is welcome to you
I don't think there is any constant, unchanging essence to the conservative party. It continually reinvents itself in order to win elections, and is very successful in doing so as 2019 showed. If Boris is looking like a dud, he will be replaced.
And can someone explain how Allegra Stratton got that job - she looked like total idiot in that clip.
I expect that governments are going to spend millions to make themselves look good.
But its the incompetence which is unacceptable.
And Stratton was clearly incompetent.
Come on Richard. It was a leaked video. Did you think it was an actual press conference?
Yes, but if it was atypical why did she never do proper ones? For that matter did she do anything at Cop26?
The reason there weren't press conferences is that the Government is supposed to announce anything significant in Parliament first. And having a presser after a Commons announcement would simply allow the press to ask awkward questions which would show up the bullshit announced in the Commons.
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
And if he loses? How bad does it need to be... give us a number.
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
Don't overlook the choice of word/pun in Mrs Gove's piece on Stratton
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and do it. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019. All these politicians saying yes we will definitely agree with the vote, but, wait, we have an objection, we are just trying to ensure, wait wait you haven't dotted an i here, we can't do anything until......there will be loads and loads of clips of this nonsense.
He didn't try to shut down parliament, unlike Johnson.
But those pissed off with the stupid games didn't care about that. And that is why Boris won. Everybody saw parliament was playing silly buggers.
Now, given all of Boris behaviour, all the above won't wash this time around, which is why the Tories will need somebody else.
On that at least we are agreed.
A large part of me hopes the Tories bottle it and keep Johnson on for another two years of scandal, mishap, u-turn, chumocracy and general ineptitude before leading them to ignominious defeat at GE24.
Not good for the country in the short term obviously but I am not convince any other Tory PM would be much better for the country either.
He's done for.
TBH, I said here last year that I thought the Tories would get rid before the next election, say something about never recovering from long COVID and shuffle him off. Then they could blame all of COVID and Brexit mistakes on him and refresh.
I have this sneaking suspicion that CBI speech was the final straw. It is one thing for some disgruntled civil servant to let it slip to a Mirror journalist there was a party, but the video etc, it seems like much more organised than that. We are now just in the cycle of Boris is pinned in, and his defence relies totally on him absolutely not having his own parties nor having any idea about one in #10. All it needs is some whatsapp messages in a group of which he is in, saying christ bob was wankered at our christmas do wasn't he.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Calm down, man. You won FFS.
So did Biden. But the Democrats are not forgiving the Trumpites wbo marched on the Capitol - and they are right to be vengeful and vigilant.
British democrats cannot and must not forget - let alone forgive - the Remoaners: the 2nd voters and the Revokers. They would have shattered British democratic history in one go. Whyever would you bother voting again if that vote can simply be ignored and annulled by the elite?
These Remainer fuckers need to be brought to justice, at some point. They need to feel severe pain. Starmer is one of them
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
It could definitely still happen if Labour's vote holds up at around 15-20%.
How many times are people going to repeat the fake news that Starmer was the architect of Labour's shift to second ref when it was John McDonnell?
The reason was that the majority of Labour members were in favour, at least when deadlock over May's plans were making the country head for a car crash No Deal Brexit.
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
I'm not disputing that - but pushing that through was John McDonnell, not Keir Starmer.
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Yes, I think that a reasonable understanding of the Kremlinology.
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit. 2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried. 3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
The attack would be he did everything possible to stop a democratic process, so can he be trusted not to try and do it. And that is what pissed off so many people in 2019. All these politicians saying yes we will definitely agree with the vote, but, wait, we have an objection, we are just trying to ensure, wait wait you haven't dotted an i here, we can't do anything until......there will be loads and loads of clips of this nonsense.
He didn't try to shut down parliament, unlike Johnson.
But those pissed off with the stupid games didn't care about that. And that is why Boris won. Everybody saw parliament was playing silly buggers.
Now, given all of Boris behaviour, all the above won't wash this time around, which is why the Tories will need somebody else.
On that at least we are agreed.
A large part of me hopes the Tories bottle it and keep Johnson on for another two years of scandal, mishap, u-turn, chumocracy and general ineptitude before leading them to ignominious defeat at GE24.
Not good for the country in the short term obviously but I am not convince any other Tory PM would be much better for the country either.
He's done for.
TBH, I said here last year that I thought the Tories would get rid before the next election, say something about never recovering from long COVID. Then they could blame all of COVID and Brexit mistakes on him and refresh. I have this sneaking suspicion that CBI speech was the final straw.
God the Peppa Pig speech - nearly forgotten about that - seems like a lifetime ago!
Both the Sun and Telegraph are far more anti Vax passports and anti WfH than the general public
True, but The Sun studiously didn't join in the feeding frenzy yesterday. And now they are photoshopping the PM as the Grinch. That four point lead might have a fair bit more growing to do yet.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
Don't overlook the choice of word/pun in Mrs Gove's piece on Stratton
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Calm down, man. You won FFS.
So did Biden. But the Democrats are not forgiving the Trumpites wbo marched on the Capitol - and they are right to be vengeful and vigilant.
British democrats cannot and must not forget - let alone forgive - the Remoaners: the 2nd voters and the Revokers. They would have shattered British democratic history in one go. Whyever would you bother voting again if that vote can simply be ignored and annulled by the elite?
These Remainer fuckers need to be brought to justice, at some point. They need to feel severe pain. Starmer is one of them
Could someone please give Sean attention? He's very needy.
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
At medical school I once bet the Boat Club Captain that he could not repeat* his feat of Downing a yard of tomato juice. He did pretty well initially, getting down to the bulb within a couple of minutes. Unfortunately it then became too much and he started vomiting. It was like a scene from a horror film...
*He had done it at a previous boat Club AGM, but on this occasion had drunk about a half dozen pints.
At the age of 18 I was at a party with friends and we somehow ended up betting against one guy that he couldn't EAT a whole packet of cigarettes. He got about halfway through and then puked his guts up and was severely ill for days
I believe this act is quite dangerous. Nicotine poisoning
Someone who I knew vaguely at Uni would after a few on a Friday night, bite his glass and then spit the shards out.
There were no extra restrictions announced tonight or any new lockdowns, all that was asked was a perfectly reasonable requirement for vaccine passports for nightclubs and large events and masks to be worn in cinemas and theatres.
As for Labour's mere 4% poll lead, even Ed Miliband and Kinnock got far bigger leads than that midterm, let alone Blair
Your problem is that every mistake is coming from idiotic levels of thoughtlessness.
Not a lack of thought for the proles (that's a given) but a lack of thought about how damaging these actions will be for themselves.
If that doesn't stop then you will keep losing support.
Someone needs to start saying No to Boris and Boris needs to start saying No to Carrie.
And if they don't they have to go - responsibility is required now not a pair of spoilt brats.
Boris was not even at this party, this is just attacks by the left liberal media to get rid of him.
The level of treachery by some backbencher MPs who owe their seats to Boris makes me as angry as the traitors who got rid of Maggie, our greatest leader since Churchill. We had to wait until Boris to get an election victory of the size she won.
I am furious tonight and if these traitors think they can get rid of Boris with no consequences they have another thing coming.
You don't get it do you? It is not about being at the party, it is about lying about the party that broke the rules. And this is the tip of the iceberg of endless lies and abuse of rules and conventions that the rest of us follow.
I really do feel sorry for HFUYD. That level of blind loyalty will only end in tears - particularly when Boris throws everyone under the bus.
Boris won a large majority because it was the only chance for Brexit to “be completed” (whatever that means). He’s served that purpose - and now proving to be absolutely useless
There is nobody else who would have won the RedWall as Boris did or the size of victory Boris did, if he is forced out the traitors who do so will find Boris loyalists prepare their own equivalent of Momentum to retake the party.
Take a rest
I'd love to know where this army of Boris loyalists are preparing to retake the Party?
Other than HYUFD is there a single person here that is a 'Boris loyalist'? I've been accused of it in the past, but I'm calling for letters to go in to Graham Brady.
And HYUFD himself we all know will go in for reprogramming and be a blind loyalist to the next leader anyway, even if its Liz Truss, just as he's been a blind loyalist for every party leader ever.
So where are these 'loyalists'?
Only a third of 2019 Tory voters want Boris to go on the polling today, given you voted for Blair twice you are hardly a typical Tory voter
Lose a third of your voters and you lose office. 🤦♂️
If Big G and I aren't voting for the Tories in the next election, then prepare for Opposition.
Starmer is welcome to you
I don't think there is any constant, unchanging essence to the conservative party. It continually reinvents itself in order to win elections, and is very successful in doing so as 2019 showed. If Boris is looking like a dud, he will be replaced.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Calm down, man. You won FFS.
So did Biden. But the Democrats are not forgiving the Trumpites wbo marched on the Capitol - and they are right to be vengeful and vigilant.
British democrats cannot and must not forget - let alone forgive - the Remoaners: the 2nd voters and the Revokers. They would have shattered British democratic history in one go. Whyever would you bother voting again if that vote can simply be ignored and annulled by the elite?
These Remainer fuckers need to be brought to justice, at some point. They need to feel severe pain. Starmer is one of them
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Thought that you'd announced on here, that you were eschewing use of the R-word?
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
Actual defeat in North Shropshire would require a swing broadly comparable to that seen in the 1993 Newbury by-election - and at least in Newbury the Lib Dems started out from a strong second place.
Holding on by a wafer-thin majority would not be a triumph, it would be a lucky escape from an exceedingly cross electorate.
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
I know someone who was told to give up beer for health reasons.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Calm down, man. You won FFS.
So did Biden. But the Democrats are not forgiving the Trumpites wbo marched on the Capitol - and they are right to be vengeful and vigilant.
British democrats cannot and must not forget - let alone forgive - the Remoaners: the 2nd voters and the Revokers. They would have shattered British democratic history in one go. Whyever would you bother voting again if that vote can simply be ignored and annulled by the elite?
These Remainer fuckers need to be brought to justice, at some point. They need to feel severe pain. Starmer is one of them
Polling suggests that the Remainers are now in the majority, so that may well backfire on rabid Leavers like yourself.
From a Remainer perspective, I think the flaw in the Second referendum plan was that the vote would have confirmed Brexit by a bigger majority. It wasn't an attack on democracy but rather a confirmation of it.
The modern world generally feels a bit rubbish, but here’s a (hopefully) heartwarming tale. My youngest son 13 has written a book, which he intends to give as gifts. He uploaded the file to Amazon and paid out the money he has earned in chores for someone to design a cover. He is having real paperbacks made for his mum, brother and aunt.
None of this would have been thinkable for adults a few years ago, but here we are with a 13yr old doing all this off completely of his own bat.
In all the horrors of Covid and nonsense of populist politics, we forget the miracles around us. Our world is amazing. There is so much out there.
Interestingly, did no one in No 10 (when they had put down their cheese straws and glass of plonk) think that the headlines would end up being along the lines of 'they disobey the rules, while they give us new rules'?
I had a rare disagreement with @MaxPB earlier because he thought new rules would come in as a dead cat while I thought the events of the day meant that new restrictions were less likely as surely they'd see just how damaging the juxtaposition of new rules and broken rules would be?
Mea culpa, it seems Max was right and I was wrong. But I still think that the juxtaposition of broken rules and new rules is a catastrophically stupid idea and I can't believe they were too thick not to spot it!
It seems they're even less intelligent than I thought, and I'd already lost a lot of respect.
Big cheers for our team name when we got called in third place!
Mood among my friends is mutinous and these aren't exactly hardcore lefties, mostly higher earners in financial services - natural Tory voters, most of them voted Tory in 2019.
The Xmas party was the main issue, plan b is just the shit cherry on the cake of shit. Lots of accusations the scientists are making it all up to keep us scared and locked down, no intention of being locked down this time from any of them either. I think the government will find it much, much tougher to get anyone to stay home this time if they try.
All of them think Boris should go for the good of the nation, no idea on the replacement, one suggested Steve Baker as COVID caretaker PM to see off the scientists, no one else except me knew who he was lol.
I am so furious at all this. These restrictions will likely harm Daughter's business again if people take fright and stay away. But no support this time.
And Eldest Son is now worried about his job - in Canary Wharf - in retail. What happens if people stay away?
And all this for what? To protect someone who doesn't have the decency to admit a mistake and say sorry but throws everyone around him under the bus.
It's infuriating and pathetic and wrong.
It is also utterly ludicrous. So I suppose there is nothing to do but sit back and enjoy or endure the Italianisation of our politics. We have our very own Berlusconi in charge. It shames us as a nation. But it's what people voted for.
Not me, though. At least I can say I didn't vote for this lot. It's something I suppose.
It hasn't been an edifying day with Boris ambushed for the "party" and Allegra taking a hit for the team while the known unknown omicron looms ever larger in the run up to Christmas. Even so, looking at the alternatives available within his own party and across the aisle I'd stick with Boris. And I hope he toughs it out. That said, North Shropshire is probably on a knife-edge after today.
If Boris wins North Shropshire after this it would be a triumph
I applaud the stamina. I consider myself addicted to PB and I can't even keep up with the comments.
On the bus back from an exceptionally boozy board games night, much wine and cheese, whisky.
There is a palpable sense of doom amongst us twenty something's (till glass number two).
This package of measures is so clearly lacking when compared to the claimed threat, indeed so clearly tailored to minimise actual impact (no masks in pub or restaurants) that I can only conclude the decision makers ultimately don't believe there's a really serious problem here. They're just playing politics.
The thought of being able to go to a pub without wearing a mask is the only thing keeping me going at the moment.
I've followed OGH's example, and have given up alcohol. It was quite novel going into a pub today and ordering a pint of tomato juice.
One of my dad's favourite drinks. It's a bit bracing the first time you try it.
“ “I’ve made it clear that at this stage, at this 11th hour, any deal that comes through from this government ought to be subject to the lock of a confirmatory vote,” Sir Keir said.
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Calm down, man. You won FFS.
So did Biden. But the Democrats are not forgiving the Trumpites wbo marched on the Capitol - and they are right to be vengeful and vigilant.
British democrats cannot and must not forget - let alone forgive - the Remoaners: the 2nd voters and the Revokers. They would have shattered British democratic history in one go. Whyever would you bother voting again if that vote can simply be ignored and annulled by the elite?
These Remainer fuckers need to be brought to justice, at some point. They need to feel severe pain. Starmer is one of them
Polling suggests that the Remainers are now in the majority, so that may well backfire on rabid Leavers like yourself.
From a Remainer perspective, I think the flaw in the Second referendum plan was that the vote would have confirmed Brexit by a bigger majority. It wasn't an attack on democracy but rather a confirmation of it.
No, it was an outright attack on democracy. FFS. It was an attempt to overturn a solemn national referendum and Britain's biggest ever single vote. You cannot be allowed to rewrite history like this. "Oh it was an advisory referendum", "oh the people were lied to", "Oh let's just Revoke". That was an actual policy. Revoke. Jesus Christ!
No.
I get that this makes the more thoughtful Remainers squirm with embarrassment now. Tough shit
The modern world generally feels a bit rubbish, but here’s a (hopefully) heartwarming tale. My youngest son 13 has written a book, which he intends to give as gifts. He uploaded the file to Amazon and paid out the money he has earned in chores for someone to design a cover. He is having real paperbacks made for his mum, brother and aunt.
None of this would have been thinkable for adults a few years ago, but here we are with a 13yr old doing all this off completely of his own bat.
In all the horrors of Covid and nonsense of populist politics, we forget the miracles around us. Our world is amazing. There is so much out there.
The modern world generally feels a bit rubbish, but here’s a (hopefully) heartwarming tale. My youngest son 13 has written a book, which he intends to give as gifts. He uploaded the file to Amazon and paid out the money he has earned in chores for someone to design a cover. He is having real paperbacks made for his mum, brother and aunt.
None of this would have been thinkable for adults a few years ago, but here we are with a 13yr old doing all this off completely of his own bat.
In all the horrors of Covid and nonsense of populist politics, we forget the miracles around us. Our world is amazing. There is so much out there.
Comments
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1468710662721388553?s=20
God how I despise that kind of conditional, temporising, fair weather so called conservatism. Why not bugger off and join the SWP?
Quisling.
Sir Keir Starmer is Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary”
They didn’t want a referendum, so they didn’t vote Labour
Sure, it lost some voters, but failing to adopt it would have lost at least as many.
But the policy became obsolete, as did the Lib Dems withdrawal policy when the Oven Ready Deal appeared, albeit that even now the Tories agrees that it is a crap deal.
Oh, and The Mail (with their new Brexity editor, remember) is out;
The Tories certainly haven’t forgotten, and I’m told they fully intend to exploit that clip at the next election as his Achilles heel, telling Red Wall voters that Starmer is the man who wanted to tear up their historic decision.
The Conservatives are likely to have an additional attack line on Starmer’s flip-flopping over the subject too. In the 2017, he successfully secured the inclusion in the manifesto a pledge to end free movement of EU citizens, yet by the 2019 manifesto the whole issue would be up for ‘negotiation’ with Brussels. And in his own leadership campaign he pledged to “defend free movement”.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/keir-starmer-brexit-second-referendum-support-tories-conference-1226589
Starmer told Alastair Campbell Remain was dead and buried and he would try to deliver Brexit. It was John McDonnell that moved the party when he saw the polling that Labour would win less than 100 seats.
Did Starmer advertise and sell the policy that McDonnell put in place, yes. Absolutely. That was wrong.
But he was not the person pushing for it. Anyone saying otherwise is just incorrect.
Instead of binning her as a dead me loss.
The Tories' reputation for ruthlessness really rests on IDS. And that was IDS.
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1468629331647905804?s=20
The shadow minister said that “probably 120 if not 150” of the party’s 229 MPs could vote against the deal unless it was linked to a second referendum.
“If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package,” he said.”
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-13/sir-keir-starmer-cross-party-brexit-deal-needs-to-include-second-referendum
Behind the chaos and scandal of Boris Johnson’s government lies stasis
Two years after a famous election victory, a would-be radical administration has run into the ground" (£)
https://www.economist.com/britain/behind-the-chaos-and-scandal-of-boris-johnsons-government-lies-stasis/21806682
All of this supports the popular suspicion that there is some kind of weird court going on in No.10; full of acolytes and Carries friends; and this is behind the continuous errors of judgements and political disasters. Until recently I thought Boris could ride it out, but the situation seems to be going downhill fast. In particular, the denials about parties etc in No.10 seem deeply unwise, in light of the likelihood of further revelations.
If Boris is going to survive there probably needs to be a clear out and new advisors bought in. But Carrie doesn't seem like someone who can be easily banished off the scene.
God, what weasel worded traitorous garbage. Just put a fucking buffalo horn helmet on, and march on Westminster, to cancel an election, you fucking lying piece of Woke Labourite Remainer shit
At least the Trumpites were honest in their debauchery of democracy. Remoaners like Der Starmer? With their Enabling Acts? YUK
Starmer's job was to deliver the policy, the policy which he did not push through himself. Should he have resigned on that basis, probably - but he was not the person who pushed the party to Remain. He tried to deliver Brexit.
Now I really am off to bed.
Then again Boris could be gone by the weekend.
Isn't politics great!
Reminder that tonight's play in Brisbane starts 30 minutes early at 11:30pm UK time.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/cricket/news/what-time-does-the-first-test-start-on-day-two-ashes-2021-22-schedule-and-timings/1cy2j6lb3b8al14jpppkgcs2iy
Incidentally, I don't think the Tories attacking Starmer for being a Remainer will do him any harm in 2024, for several reasons:
1) He has stated that he won't reverse Brexit.
2) The Tories harping on about the past will annoy many who want the whole subject dead and buried.
3) There is increasing polling evidence that the public feel that Brexit is going badly under the Tories, and that it was the wrong decision.
It was worse than a politician just lying outright about some curtains. It was this continuous process of trying to stifle the vote.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1468705984344375306?s=20
Now, given all of Boris behaviour, all the above won't wash this time around, which is why the Tories will need somebody else.
*He had done it at a previous boat Club AGM, but on this occasion had drunk about a half dozen pints.
I believe this act is quite dangerous. Nicotine poisoning
Brexit has lost its electoral salience except among political obsessives, and broadly speaking obsessive Remainers were always going to vote Lab/LD anyway, and obsessive Leavers were always going to vote Con/Faragist.
Very few seats are going to be swung in 2023 (or whenever) by re-fighting Brexit. If Labour wins then we will drift quietly back towards CU+SM, if the Conservatives win we (probably) won't.
A large part of me hopes the Tories bottle it and keep Johnson on for another two years of scandal, mishap, u-turn, chumocracy and general ineptitude before leading them to ignominious defeat at GE24.
Not good for the country in the short term obviously but I am not convince any other Tory PM would be much better for the country either.
And having a presser after a Commons announcement would simply allow the press to ask awkward questions which would show up the bullshit announced in the Commons.
TBH, I said here last year that I thought the Tories would get rid before the next election, say something about never recovering from long COVID and shuffle him off. Then they could blame all of COVID and Brexit mistakes on him and refresh.
I have this sneaking suspicion that CBI speech was the final straw. It is one thing for some disgruntled civil servant to let it slip to a Mirror journalist there was a party, but the video etc, it seems like much more organised than that. We are now just in the cycle of Boris is pinned in, and his defence relies totally on him absolutely not having his own parties nor having any idea about one in #10. All it needs is some whatsapp messages in a group of which he is in, saying christ bob was wankered at our christmas do wasn't he.
British democrats cannot and must not forget - let alone forgive - the Remoaners: the 2nd voters and the Revokers. They would have shattered British democratic history in one go. Whyever would you bother voting again if that vote can simply be ignored and annulled by the elite?
These Remainer fuckers need to be brought to justice, at some point. They need to feel severe pain. Starmer is one of them
You still voting for Boris at the next GE BJO?
Bonkers.
So far today it has 103,000 cases and 1000+ deaths. With plenty of time to go
Holding on by a wafer-thin majority would not be a triumph, it would be a lucky escape from an exceedingly cross electorate.
He switched to ordering pints of wine.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/how-the-government-is-handling-the-issue-of-brexit-in-the-uk
From a Remainer perspective, I think the flaw in the Second referendum plan was that the vote would have confirmed Brexit by a bigger majority. It wasn't an attack on democracy but rather a confirmation of it.
None of this would have been thinkable for adults a few years ago, but here we are with a 13yr old doing all this off completely of his own bat.
In all the horrors of Covid and nonsense of populist politics, we forget the miracles around us. Our world is amazing. There is so much out there.
Mea culpa, it seems Max was right and I was wrong. But I still think that the juxtaposition of broken rules and new rules is a catastrophically stupid idea and I can't believe they were too thick not to spot it!
It seems they're even less intelligent than I thought, and I'd already lost a lot of respect.
Russell Brand on entertaining form on the No.10 party to his 5 million YouTube followers. Who was it that said it ends in mockery?
Mood among my friends is mutinous and these aren't exactly hardcore lefties, mostly higher earners in financial services - natural Tory voters, most of them voted Tory in 2019.
The Xmas party was the main issue, plan b is just the shit cherry on the cake of shit. Lots of accusations the scientists are making it all up to keep us scared and locked down, no intention of being locked down this time from any of them either. I think the government will find it much, much tougher to get anyone to stay home this time if they try.
All of them think Boris should go for the good of the nation, no idea on the replacement, one suggested Steve Baker as COVID caretaker PM to see off the scientists, no one else except me knew who he was lol.
And Eldest Son is now worried about his job - in Canary Wharf - in retail. What happens if people stay away?
And all this for what? To protect someone who doesn't have the decency to admit a mistake and say sorry but throws everyone around him under the bus.
It's infuriating and pathetic and wrong.
It is also utterly ludicrous. So I suppose there is nothing to do but sit back and enjoy or endure the Italianisation of our politics. We have our very own Berlusconi in charge. It shames us as a nation. But it's what people voted for.
Not me, though. At least I can say I didn't vote for this lot. It's something I suppose.
On the bus back from an exceptionally boozy board games night, much wine and cheese, whisky.
There is a palpable sense of doom amongst us twenty something's (till glass number two).
No.
I get that this makes the more thoughtful Remainers squirm with embarrassment now. Tough shit
Good for your boy.
If there's one thing we Brits love to do then that's mocking people.