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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    .**** me!

    Diane Abbott on Newsnight embarrassing herself and the Labour Party with "wave machines". Why is she even on, making Johnson's performance today look like Olivier's Hamlet?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    You seem to have confused being a risk taker with being a twat.

    He is the worst kind of decision maker, whose instinct is to prevaricate and flip flop and procrastinate until a decision becomes unavoidable, and even then it may get unmade again the following day. If he ends up taking a risk it is through ineptitude rather than calculated judgement.
    Beat the fuck out of you whining Remainer c*nts tho, and for that I will always revere him
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,908
    edited November 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    More good news for the government - its motion to have poor northerners sell their homes to pay for the care of rich southerners has gone through.

    Genuinely poor people don't own any property at all, they live in social housing or rent via housing benefit. They will still get all their care costs covered by the local authority.

    Those with assets under £100,000 will also get assistance with care costs on a means tested basis, now only those with assets under £23,250 do.

    Those with assets over £100,000 will no longer have to pay more than £86,000 for care costs, now they can lose all their assets down to their last £23,250 if they need residential care.

    So good news the new social care bill has gone through, despite even most SNP MPs voting with Labour and opposition parties even though the social care bill will only affect England
    As I said. Make the North pay for the south. Bye Bye red wall, bye bye Tory government.
    The North voted mostly for Labour MPs even in 2019, it was the Midlands and South which had a majority of Tory seats and gave Boris his majority.

    Most voters in seats the Tories won in the RedWall will still get to keep more of their assets exempt from care costs than they do now as I said, so these reforms benefit even them

    It is fascinating just how short your political antennae are.
    The alternative eg having £100,000 of assets exempt from care costs but all assets above that liable for residential and at home care costs as May originally proposed in 2017 might benefit a handful of RedWall seats with the lowest house prices a bit more. However it would devastate the Tories in the South and London and lead to mass defections to ReformUK in protest, letting Labour and the LDs through the backdoor in those areas.

    Remember how badly May's dementia tax hit her poll rating, forcing her to U-turn mid campaign. Boris' £86,000 care costs cap is far better
    Your "handful of red wall seats" is the difference between a May minority and a Peppa majority.

    As I said, amazingly clueless. You can't even do self-centred pig-ignorance "as long as we're alright, we're alright" properly as you actually need to win a majority. Which means the red wall.
    May still stayed in power of course. We only needed a majority and most of the Redwall in 2019 rather than a May minority to get Brexit done. Brexit has now been done so a majority at the next general election is not as important as still winning most seats, ideally with enough to stay in power with the DUP as May did.

    Lose lots of seats in the South however and we would lose power completely
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    More good news for the government - its motion to have poor northerners sell their homes to pay for the care of rich southerners has gone through.

    Genuinely poor people don't own any property at all, they live in social housing or rent via housing benefit. They will still get all their care costs covered by the local authority.

    Those with assets under £100,000 will also get assistance with care costs on a means tested basis, now only those with assets under £23,250 do.

    Those with assets over £100,000 will no longer have to pay more than £86,000 for care costs, now they can lose all their assets down to their last £23,250 if they need residential care.

    So good news the new social care bill has gone through, despite even most SNP MPs voting with Labour and opposition parties even though the social care bill will only affect England
    As I said. Make the North pay for the south. Bye Bye red wall, bye bye Tory government.
    The North voted mostly for Labour MPs even in 2019, it was the Midlands and South which had a majority of Tory seats and gave Boris his majority.

    Most voters in seats the Tories won in the RedWall will still get to keep more of their assets exempt from care costs than they do now as I said, so these reforms benefit even them

    You make a good point about the north: most MPs in the north are still Labour. Labour has a bigger problem in the midlands.

    I think we should refer to the north as a red hedge, rather than a red wall.
  • Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    You seem to have confused being a risk taker with being a twat.

    He is the worst kind of decision maker, whose instinct is to prevaricate and flip flop and procrastinate until a decision becomes unavoidable, and even then it may get unmade again the following day. If he ends up taking a risk it is through ineptitude rather than calculated judgement.
    Beat the fuck out of you whining Remainer c*nts tho, and for that I will always revere him
    Been a good night has it Seanie?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    If a Labour leader had made the speech BoJo made today people here would be calling for their resignation now and saying the next GE was already lost.

    These same people say we never call out Labour when they do bad things, yet they’re just the same. They have double standards.

    I seem to recall that Corbyn was attacked for being a vile antisemite who hates this country and supports terrorists and our enemies.

    I don't recall Corbyn being attacked for name checking one of the most popular cultural exports globally that this country has generated this century.

    Peppa Pig generates over a billion dollars per annum. https://www.statista.com/statistics/623382/retail-revenue-peppa-pig/

    Chancellor Hammond also named Peppa Pig in a speech in the past. I don't recall any uproar over that. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/chancellor-hails-peppa-pig-as-screen-industry-boosts-uk-economy-by-79bn-37398860.html
    If you haven't seen the clip, don't defend the indefensible. In the right context Peppa Pig would be fine. I am not sure at the CBI it was.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    You seem to have confused being a risk taker with being a twat.

    He is the worst kind of decision maker, whose instinct is to prevaricate and flip flop and procrastinate until a decision becomes unavoidable, and even then it may get unmade again the following day. If he ends up taking a risk it is through ineptitude rather than calculated judgement.
    Beat the fuck out of you whining Remainer c*nts tho, and for that I will always revere him
    Oh dear. Reminiscent of SeanT in his darkest hours. Hmm.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited November 2021

    If a Labour leader had made the speech BoJo made today people here would be calling for their resignation now and saying the next GE was already lost.

    These same people say we never call out Labour when they do bad things, yet they’re just the same. They have double standards.

    I seem to recall that Corbyn was attacked for being a vile antisemite who hates this country and supports terrorists and our enemies.

    I don't recall Corbyn being attacked for name checking one of the most popular cultural exports globally that this country has generated this century.

    Peppa Pig generates over a billion dollars per annum. https://www.statista.com/statistics/623382/retail-revenue-peppa-pig/

    Chancellor Hammond also named Peppa Pig in a speech in the past. I don't recall any uproar over that. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/chancellor-hails-peppa-pig-as-screen-industry-boosts-uk-economy-by-79bn-37398860.html
    If you haven't seen the clip, don't defend the indefensible. In the right context Peppa Pig would be fine. I am not sure at the CBI it was.
    It made me reflect that most of his speeches have been given to supportive audiences, most notably at Tory conference. When people are neutral or sceptical, wanting to hear about the substance rather than his shtick, his jokes don’t fly. God knows how he will cope when people turn hostile.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    edited November 2021

    If a Labour leader had made the speech BoJo made today people here would be calling for their resignation now and saying the next GE was already lost.

    These same people say we never call out Labour when they do bad things, yet they’re just the same. They have double standards.

    I seem to recall that Corbyn was attacked for being a vile antisemite who hates this country and supports terrorists and our enemies.

    I don't recall Corbyn being attacked for name checking one of the most popular cultural exports globally that this country has generated this century.

    Peppa Pig generates over a billion dollars per annum. https://www.statista.com/statistics/623382/retail-revenue-peppa-pig/

    Chancellor Hammond also named Peppa Pig in a speech in the past. I don't recall any uproar over that. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/chancellor-hails-peppa-pig-as-screen-industry-boosts-uk-economy-by-79bn-37398860.html
    If you haven't seen the clip, don't defend the indefensible. In the right context Peppa Pig would be fine. I am not sure at the CBI it was.
    Yes, I think that's right. It's one thing doing all that knockabout shtick at a Conference speech, say, but maybe not at the CBI.

    By contrast, I gather Starmer was serious and thoughtful in front of the CBI (yes, I'm sure he was dull as well). The CBI notices these things. I suspect Starmer is trying to woo the business community as Blair did so successfully. He may succeed if the contrast is with Johnson.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    You seem to have confused being a risk taker with being a twat.

    He is the worst kind of decision maker, whose instinct is to prevaricate and flip flop and procrastinate until a decision becomes unavoidable, and even then it may get unmade again the following day. If he ends up taking a risk it is through ineptitude rather than calculated judgement.
    Beat the fuck out of you whining Remainer c*nts tho, and for that I will always revere him
    Oh dear. Reminiscent of SeanT in his darkest hours. Hmm.
    Er. If you can get drunk on too much home-made Miso soup, I plead guilty

    You people are far too kind to me. Sometimes I am not drunk and thereby excusable, I am just nasty for the sake of it, especially with a tedious, whingeing, effeminate, repetitive waste-of-old-spunk like IanB2
  • IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    You seem to have confused being a risk taker with being a twat.

    He is the worst kind of decision maker, whose instinct is to prevaricate and flip flop and procrastinate until a decision becomes unavoidable, and even then it may get unmade again the following day. If he ends up taking a risk it is through ineptitude rather than calculated judgement.
    If he prevaricates and never takes a risk then how come he took the risk of lifting all legal restrictions in the summer, a step not replicated anywhere across the continent?

    The "not make decisions" meme seems to come from those annoyed he didn't put the country into lockdown sooner last year, rather than make the decision to not have lockdowns.

    Not making the decision you want isn't the same as not making a decision.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    You seem to have confused being a risk taker with being a twat.

    He is the worst kind of decision maker, whose instinct is to prevaricate and flip flop and procrastinate until a decision becomes unavoidable, and even then it may get unmade again the following day. If he ends up taking a risk it is through ineptitude rather than calculated judgement.
    Beat the fuck out of you whining Remainer c*nts tho, and for that I will always revere him
    Been a good night has it Seanie?
    you can't spell "vodka and lemon" without "leon".
    ...or absinthe without "seant".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    edited November 2021
    This latest J K Rowling argument is extraordinary


    "I’ve now received so many death threats I could paper the house with them, and I haven’t stopped speaking out. Perhaps – and I’m just throwing this out there – the best way to prove your movement isn’t a threat to women, is to stop stalking, harassing and threatening us. 8/X"


    https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1462759297465692162?s=20

    Trans activists are the worst. It is like they are a plant by Trans-phobes, sown 30 years ago to discredit all trans people in the far future
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    Foxy said:

    We have truly entered the twilight zone with Bozza now. Just a bizarre episode, he presents as decidedly unwell.

    He presents as someone drunk trying to pretend to be sober.
    He really, really doesn't

    God knows I drink enough, and am drunk enough, and have pretended to be sober enough. I doubt you've been really drunk a dozen times in your life? You know nothing of this

    If Boris was just a desperate secret boozer, like Charles Kennedy, it would be bloody obvious. He isn't. His problems actually go deeper than that, and they are more interesting. He has some deep neediness, related to his mum and dad, allied with a schoolboy shtick of "I'm just a bumbling amateur, hahaha" which got him into Eton, Oxford and the Buller, but this has now fossilised into a persona, all of which is sunk in a genuinely gifted and powerful intelligence, which means he lives at total cross purposes
  • If a Labour leader had made the speech BoJo made today people here would be calling for their resignation now and saying the next GE was already lost.

    These same people say we never call out Labour when they do bad things, yet they’re just the same. They have double standards.

    I seem to recall that Corbyn was attacked for being a vile antisemite who hates this country and supports terrorists and our enemies.

    I don't recall Corbyn being attacked for name checking one of the most popular cultural exports globally that this country has generated this century.

    Peppa Pig generates over a billion dollars per annum. https://www.statista.com/statistics/623382/retail-revenue-peppa-pig/

    Chancellor Hammond also named Peppa Pig in a speech in the past. I don't recall any uproar over that. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/chancellor-hails-peppa-pig-as-screen-industry-boosts-uk-economy-by-79bn-37398860.html
    If you haven't seen the clip, don't defend the indefensible. In the right context Peppa Pig would be fine. I am not sure at the CBI it was.
    You don't think a billion dollar business is worthy of the CBI?
  • Is there a division list available yet re: social care vote?
  • New thread.
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