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  • I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,873
    Evening all :)

    Having heard about the Prime Minister's "interesting" speech to the CBI, I'm trying to figure out what "Mother Nature does not like working from home" actually means.

    On a cold, dark late autumn morning, working at home seems a very attractive option - I suspect the Prime Minister may not have quite grasped Mother Nature's meaning.

    In Bulgaria, Radev won the Presidential election run off 67-32 so more convincing than an AV referendum (I mean, it's been more than a decade, why would anyone keep wittering on about it?)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    Roger said:

    Just watching the news. Even as an 'end of the pier show' people aren't laughing anymore.

    For people who like him it's probably quite sad

    BBC R4 PM were not interested in the Johnson speech until 5.31. The edit and the narrative was quite positive too. I suspect the BBC TV edits will also be favourable, although over on ITV Bradby will go to town on Johnson I expect.
    Pretty excruciating on ITV news earlier.

    One problem is that TV is greedy for new material. He can get away with it as an after dinner speaker, as each audience is different but on TV we have seen those gags and gaffes before.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    TEST - the green app isn't working for me.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274

    I've voted Labour in every general election since 1997, except for 2001 and 2010 when I was living abroad and didn't vote. The 2005, 2017 and 2019 votes weren't enthusiastic. 1997 was a night to remember though.

    What a night!

    Even BBC corridors were strewn with empty champagne bottles and party poppers... allegedly... ;)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    Be honest, you're just sore about that last match, aren't you?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.
  • Near 20 year old Guardian leader on "Paki Power" for @Leon
    https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/jan/10/guardianleaders

    Written just after George Bush said he was "working hard to convince the Indians and the Pakis" to talk.
    https://youtu.be/YAHTdgogL9k?t=49

    Re Bush, I don't know its usage in the US but the issue with the word Paki in the UK are down to its legacy usage here in the 70s and 80s, its association with the National Front, violence and intimidation, and the lack of any connection to Pakistani, simply about having darker skin but not being black.

    Internationally, particularly if someone is distinguishing between India and Pakistan, I would initially assume the intent is no different to someone using Aussies.
    As the article says "Most Britons will instantly associate the word Paki with "bashing", with gangs of skinheads who beat up people because of the colour of their skin."

    Though I doubt the word has any such unfortunate association in the USA, I'm still pretty sure it was seen as, well, Bushly indelicate, and certainly undiplomatic.

    According to the wiki page of Paki as a slur it's not known as a slur in the US but it was complained about by a Pakistani American journalist, and a Clinton advisor had had to apologise for saying it four years earlier.

    It says the only other country where it's been commonly used as a slur is Canada.
    I'm probably one of the only three or four PBers who have have been called a Paki in this country, it's not a nice word in this country. In the same way I would never describe fans of Tottenham Hotspur as 'Yids' even though that's what plenty of them call themselves.

    Then again I remember shocking a few Americans when I used the word oriental (as in the Mandarin Oriental hotel), apparently that's a racial slur in America.

    Context is important in these things.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.

    Yes - I'm having the same prob
  • ydoethur said:

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    Be honest, you're just sore about that last match, aren't you?
    Nah, it is the years of abuse I've received from the Welsh, telling me to stick the sweet chariot where the sun doesn't shine is one of the nicer things they've said to me.

    Got worse since we won the world cup.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    JBriskin3 said:

    TEST - the green app isn't working for me.

    What's the 'green app'? I'm finding PB.com is not working for me.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274

    Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.

    Yes same for me. I'm accessing through Vanilla! :D
  • Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.

    Same.
  • Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.

    Same.
    Got to admire the resilience of PB though. Website not working? Well use the other website!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
  • Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    He has clearly learned nothing from Kermit the Frog.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371

    ydoethur said:

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    Be honest, you're just sore about that last match, aren't you?
    Nah, it is the years of abuse I've received from the Welsh, telling me to stick the sweet chariot where the sun doesn't shine is one of the nicer things they've said to me.

    Got worse since we won the world cup.
    You lost the World Cup.

    Or are you referring to 2003?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited November 2021

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
    Caring is sharing.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8QEWA8wGM
  • Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    One of the hopes of BM BoJo was that he would do the Prince Hal to King Henry thing. That the clueless bluffer act was an act, and once he had a huge majority, a great National Leader would emerge.

    As the months go by, it's increasingly hard to sustain that hope.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    Be honest, you're just sore about that last match, aren't you?
    Nah, it is the years of abuse I've received from the Welsh, telling me to stick the sweet chariot where the sun doesn't shine is one of the nicer things they've said to me.

    Got worse since we won the world cup.
    You lost the World Cup.

    Or are you referring to 2003?
    Yes things got worse since 2003.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Some unfortunate examples there. Gladstone, who went out pulling, er, preaching to prostitutes. Macmillan, who wore a huge toy fur hat to visit Russia. Lloyd George who would famously shag absolutely anything female.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
    Caring is sharing.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8QEWA8wGM
    Except when not sharing is really caring.
  • I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Some unfortunate examples there. Gladstone, who went out pulling, er, preaching to prostitutes. Macmillan, who wore a huge toy fur hat to visit Russia. Lloyd George who would famously shag absolutely anything female.
    Not saints, but serious grown up politicians,with something serious to say, taken seriously.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Young children don't inflict it on anyone. They would never have heard it had adults not introduced them to it in the first place.

  • Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,911
    edited November 2021

    Near 20 year old Guardian leader on "Paki Power" for @Leon
    https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/jan/10/guardianleaders

    Written just after George Bush said he was "working hard to convince the Indians and the Pakis" to talk.
    https://youtu.be/YAHTdgogL9k?t=49

    Re Bush, I don't know its usage in the US but the issue with the word Paki in the UK are down to its legacy usage here in the 70s and 80s, its association with the National Front, violence and intimidation, and the lack of any connection to Pakistani, simply about having darker skin but not being black.

    Internationally, particularly if someone is distinguishing between India and Pakistan, I would initially assume the intent is no different to someone using Aussies.
    As the article says "Most Britons will instantly associate the word Paki with "bashing", with gangs of skinheads who beat up people because of the colour of their skin."

    Though I doubt the word has any such unfortunate association in the USA, I'm still pretty sure it was seen as, well, Bushly indelicate, and certainly undiplomatic.

    According to the wiki page of Paki as a slur it's not known as a slur in the US but it was complained about by a Pakistani American journalist, and a Clinton advisor had had to apologise for saying it four years earlier.

    It says the only other country where it's been commonly used as a slur is Canada.
    I'm probably one of the only three or four PBers who have have been called a Paki in this country, it's not a nice word in this country. In the same way I would never describe fans of Tottenham Hotspur as 'Yids' even though that's what plenty of them call themselves.

    Then again I remember shocking a few Americans when I used the word oriental (as in the Mandarin Oriental hotel), apparently that's a racial slur in America.

    Context is important in these things.
    I had an Indian boss who told me about when he'd been chased by "Paki bashing" skinheads in the 80s soon after moving here from India via college (Stanford, I think) in the USA, he said he was too quick to get bashed but it was a hell of a shock to discover that he was a Paki in England.

    Funnily enough the time I heard the word the most used was with him in a bar in Mumbai watching an ODI between India and Pakistan. Everyone was talking about the cricket and everyone I could hear talking in English would say "the Pakis" instead of Pakistan. It clearly wasn't meant offensively at all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    In all senses, judging by the fact he was on bail and clearly shouldn't have been.

    A horrible tragedy that will only look worse if it turns out to have been an avoidable horrible tragedy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
    Those bloody away fans, eh!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited November 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    Fucksake, don't they get that it's Boris himself that is the problem?
  • Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    It is not Boris's "top team" that is the problem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371

    Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    It is not Boris's "top team" that is the problem.
    Well, it is. He is part of his own top team.
  • I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
    Those bloody away fans, eh!
    Home fan, it was the South Africa match where we battered them 53-3 (I think)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    one close ally of Johnson said fears over his standing in the Conservative party were growing.

    “I’m starting to get concerned,” added the Tory MP. “Supporters who were hitherto reliable are getting jittery.”


    https://www.ft.com/content/a702c1f8-fcc1-436d-afc0-37cf660e830d
  • Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    Fucksake, don't they get that it's Boris himself that is the problem?
    Indeed, he's only just realised that governing is nothing like campaigning.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,881
    edited November 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    In all senses, judging by the fact he was on bail and clearly shouldn't have been.

    A horrible tragedy that will only look worse if it turns out to have been an avoidable horrible tragedy.
    If it was intentional, it might not have made much difference, apart from the timing and the particular people he killed. More concerning is the apparent globalisation of the "drive into a crowd" murder technique we've seen in France and Britain.
  • Near 20 year old Guardian leader on "Paki Power" for @Leon
    https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/jan/10/guardianleaders

    Written just after George Bush said he was "working hard to convince the Indians and the Pakis" to talk.
    https://youtu.be/YAHTdgogL9k?t=49

    Re Bush, I don't know its usage in the US but the issue with the word Paki in the UK are down to its legacy usage here in the 70s and 80s, its association with the National Front, violence and intimidation, and the lack of any connection to Pakistani, simply about having darker skin but not being black.

    Internationally, particularly if someone is distinguishing between India and Pakistan, I would initially assume the intent is no different to someone using Aussies.
    As the article says "Most Britons will instantly associate the word Paki with "bashing", with gangs of skinheads who beat up people because of the colour of their skin."

    Though I doubt the word has any such unfortunate association in the USA, I'm still pretty sure it was seen as, well, Bushly indelicate, and certainly undiplomatic.

    According to the wiki page of Paki as a slur it's not known as a slur in the US but it was complained about by a Pakistani American journalist, and a Clinton advisor had had to apologise for saying it four years earlier.

    It says the only other country where it's been commonly used as a slur is Canada.
    I'm probably one of the only three or four PBers who have have been called a Paki in this country, it's not a nice word in this country. In the same way I would never describe fans of Tottenham Hotspur as 'Yids' even though that's what plenty of them call themselves.

    Then again I remember shocking a few Americans when I used the word oriental (as in the Mandarin Oriental hotel), apparently that's a racial slur in America.

    Context is important in these things.
    I had an Indian boss who told me about when he'd been chased by "Paki bashing" skinheads in the 80s soon after moving here from India via college (Stanford, I think) in the USA, he said he was too quick to get bashed but it was a hell of a shock to discover that he was a Paki in England.

    Funnily enough the time I heard the word the most used was with him in a bar in Mumbai watching an ODI between India and Pakistan. Everyone was talking about the cricket and everyone I could hear talking in English would say "the Pakis" instead of Pakistan. It clearly wasn't meant offensively at all.
    I have a recollection that I once heard Nasser Hussain refer to the opposing team as "The Pakis".
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274
    edited November 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Some unfortunate examples there. Gladstone, who went out pulling, er, preaching to prostitutes. Macmillan, who wore a huge toy fur hat to visit Russia. Lloyd George who would famously shag absolutely anything female.
    Yeah, I though that. Especially Lloyd George who was a really was an old rascal and a charlatan.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    Fucksake, don't they get that it's Boris himself that is the problem?
    Indeed, he's only just realised that governing is nothing like campaigning.
    When he eventually falls, no rate will be precipitous enough; no abyss too deep.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,075

    Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    Fucksake, don't they get that it's Boris himself that is the problem?
    It's always the king's advisers that are the problem. Or the wife.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
    Those bloody away fans, eh!
    Home fan, it was the South Africa match where we battered them 53-3 (I think)
    Yes, I remember it well can't remember it at all.

    (Although I did get very wet shoes that day for some reason.)
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Have we a website problem? Comments came up blank on two separate browsers & devices. So, I've hopped over to the vf.pb site to ask the question.
  • Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.

    Same here!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    In all senses, judging by the fact he was on bail and clearly shouldn't have been.

    A horrible tragedy that will only look worse if it turns out to have been an avoidable horrible tragedy.
    If it was intentional, it might not have made much difference, apart from the timing and the particular people he killed. More concerning is the apparent globalisation of the "drive into a crowd" murder technique we've seen in France and Britain.
    He overtook a lot of the marching bands, passing spectators, before striking some. If he was trying to kill then why dodge the first ones?

    I guess that we will find out in time.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
    Those bloody away fans, eh!
    Home fan, it was the South Africa match where we battered them 53-3 (I think)
    Yes, I remember it well can't remember it at all.

    (Although I did get very wet shoes that day for some reason.)
    Do you remember the day with warm feelings?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
    Caring is sharing.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8QEWA8wGM
    This link is a trap, don't ever, ever click it.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    kinabalu said:

    Looking at RedfieldWilton poll just now, it does not show the widescale condemnation of Boris as seen on here and this is post the rail infrastructure announcements

    Indeed he still leads preferred PM to Starmer by 41% to 32%

    Should we ask ourselves are we actually reflecting the country, though it has to be accepted the Paterson affair has damaged the conservative party and without which I believe they would lead the pols much as that did before it

    I would guess the voting intention of the regular contributers on this site would be 60% Labour, 20% Tory, 10% LD 10% others so not particularly representative.
    Gosh. I'd put it at 10% Boris-Tory, 40% non-Boris Tory, 25% LD, 15% Labour, 10% others/undecided.
    Yes, there is absolutely no way that 60% of PB posters are voting Labour. It must be that Nerys is just noticing our posts a whole lot more.

    If 60% of PB vote Labour at the GE it'll be a majority of about 500.
    Yes, I'm struggling to find more than a handful of loyal Labour voters who post regularly on here, plus another handful who may flirt with Labour but probably won't get past first base when the showdown comes.

    Many of the current posters who berate this particular government are Tories at heart, aren't they?
    I have never voted Tory in my life

    In the 11 GEs I have voted in its 10 times LAB 1 time LD

    Next GE its anybody but LAB if SKS/ Evans are still in charge

    If Boris runs on more levelling up probably Tory any other Tory leader I will vote Green
    What's your problem with SKS? He's pretty crap but a huge improvement on Corbyn and his cabal of halfwits. Let's be honest, the Labour cupboard is pretty bare at the moment. Ed Milliband perhaps but he's a retread. The rest are pretty sh*te.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,816
    edited November 2021

    Near 20 year old Guardian leader on "Paki Power" for @Leon
    https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/jan/10/guardianleaders

    Written just after George Bush said he was "working hard to convince the Indians and the Pakis" to talk.
    https://youtu.be/YAHTdgogL9k?t=49

    Re Bush, I don't know its usage in the US but the issue with the word Paki in the UK are down to its legacy usage here in the 70s and 80s, its association with the National Front, violence and intimidation, and the lack of any connection to Pakistani, simply about having darker skin but not being black.

    Internationally, particularly if someone is distinguishing between India and Pakistan, I would initially assume the intent is no different to someone using Aussies.
    As the article says "Most Britons will instantly associate the word Paki with "bashing", with gangs of skinheads who beat up people because of the colour of their skin."

    Though I doubt the word has any such unfortunate association in the USA, I'm still pretty sure it was seen as, well, Bushly indelicate, and certainly undiplomatic.

    According to the wiki page of Paki as a slur it's not known as a slur in the US but it was complained about by a Pakistani American journalist, and a Clinton advisor had had to apologise for saying it four years earlier.

    It says the only other country where it's been commonly used as a slur is Canada.
    I'm probably one of the only three or four PBers who have have been called a Paki in this country, it's not a nice word in this country. In the same way I would never describe fans of Tottenham Hotspur as 'Yids' even though that's what plenty of them call themselves.

    Then again I remember shocking a few Americans when I used the word oriental (as in the Mandarin Oriental hotel), apparently that's a racial slur in America.

    Context is important in these things.
    Last time I was called a "Paki c***" was (of all places) on Magdalene Bridge in Cambridge one evening in 2005 when I was walking home from work. (I worked in Cambridge 2004 to 2007)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Pro_Rata said:

    Have we a website problem? Comments came up blank on two separate browsers & devices. So, I've hopped over to the vf.pb site to ask the question.

    Yes. Several of us have done the same.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,881
    edited November 2021
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    In all senses, judging by the fact he was on bail and clearly shouldn't have been.

    A horrible tragedy that will only look worse if it turns out to have been an avoidable horrible tragedy.
    If it was intentional, it might not have made much difference, apart from the timing and the particular people he killed. More concerning is the apparent globalisation of the "drive into a crowd" murder technique we've seen in France and Britain.
    He overtook a lot of the marching bands, passing spectators, before striking some. If he was trying to kill then why dodge the first ones?

    I guess that we will find out in time.

    I suppose that driving past a lot of the parade is why police thought he might be trying to escape from some other crime. We might never find out, even assuming there is a rational explanation.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    GIN1138 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Some unfortunate examples there. Gladstone, who went out pulling, er, preaching to prostitutes. Macmillan, who wore a huge toy fur hat to visit Russia. Lloyd George who would famously shag absolutely anything female.
    Yeah, I though that. Especially Lloyd George who was a really was an old rascal and a charlatan.
    And yet dealt with World War 1. The point is now to claim previous PMs were virtuous or to endorse their private lives. It is to say that the job of PM use to matter and was worth taking seriously.

    The current incumbent treats it as a bit of a laugh, like a warm up act for a headline act that never a comes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Foxy said:

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
    Those bloody away fans, eh!
    Home fan, it was the South Africa match where we battered them 53-3 (I think)
    Yes, I remember it well can't remember it at all.

    (Although I did get very wet shoes that day for some reason.)
    Do you remember the day with warm feelings?
    I just remember being surprised by @TSE staring at my... shirt tail.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    Some weird problemette with PB on Chrome? Doesn't load
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/16811862/bulb-collapse-how-affects-you-customer-know/amp/

    There will be no change to tariffs and the energy price cap will still apply to bills.

    Does this mean that fixed rate deals will be honoured? I bloody well hope not.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    kinabalu said:

    Looking at RedfieldWilton poll just now, it does not show the widescale condemnation of Boris as seen on here and this is post the rail infrastructure announcements

    Indeed he still leads preferred PM to Starmer by 41% to 32%

    Should we ask ourselves are we actually reflecting the country, though it has to be accepted the Paterson affair has damaged the conservative party and without which I believe they would lead the pols much as that did before it

    I would guess the voting intention of the regular contributers on this site would be 60% Labour, 20% Tory, 10% LD 10% others so not particularly representative.
    Gosh. I'd put it at 10% Boris-Tory, 40% non-Boris Tory, 25% LD, 15% Labour, 10% others/undecided.
    Yes, there is absolutely no way that 60% of PB posters are voting Labour. It must be that Nerys is just noticing our posts a whole lot more.

    If 60% of PB vote Labour at the GE it'll be a majority of about 500.
    Yes, I'm struggling to find more than a handful of loyal Labour voters who post regularly on here, plus another handful who may flirt with Labour but probably won't get past first base when the showdown comes.

    Many of the current posters who berate this particular government are Tories at heart, aren't they?
    I have never voted Tory in my life

    In the 11 GEs I have voted in its 10 times LAB 1 time LD

    Next GE its anybody but LAB if SKS/ Evans are still in charge

    If Boris runs on more levelling up probably Tory any other Tory leader I will vote Green
    Mate, if you think Boris is going to do any 'levelling up' you are being way beyond niave. What he runs on is irrelevant.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Leon said:

    Some weird problemette with PB on Chrome? Doesn't load

    It's just PB.com. We're vanilla-only for the moment.

    Someone paging @rcs1000 ?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    Some weird problemette with PB on Chrome? Doesn't load

    Its's also an issue in Firefox - something is definitely wrong at Vanilla's end...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    tlg86 said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/16811862/bulb-collapse-how-affects-you-customer-know/amp/

    There will be no change to tariffs and the energy price cap will still apply to bills.

    Does this mean that fixed rate deals will be honoured? I bloody well hope not.

    Our PFP one certainly wasn't when they wnet bust and we were switched to British Gas - 90% increase!

    So no, they won't be (or else I'll be suing someone).
  • I've heard Boris was told he was giving a speech on CBeebies today.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Jonathan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Some unfortunate examples there. Gladstone, who went out pulling, er, preaching to prostitutes. Macmillan, who wore a huge toy fur hat to visit Russia. Lloyd George who would famously shag absolutely anything female.
    Yeah, I though that. Especially Lloyd George who was a really was an old rascal and a charlatan.
    And yet dealt with World War 1. The point is now to claim previous PMs were virtuous or to endorse their private lives. It is to say that the job of PM use to matter and was worth taking seriously.

    The current incumbent treats it as a bit of a laugh, like a warm up act for a headline act that never a comes.
    He's been allowed to spend his whole life succeeding as the classroom clown. He knows no other mode and is capable of none.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Young children don't inflict it on anyone. They would never have heard it had adults not introduced them to it in the first place.

    You clearly have no idea of the torture of enforced repetition.
    For me it was Postman Pat, whose name can still, two decades on, reduced me to a quivering jelly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    PM has just done Peppa Pig World again, in a speech at the Margaret Thatcher conference on trade at @CPSThinkTank https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1462883599238246403/photo/1
  • tlg86 said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/16811862/bulb-collapse-how-affects-you-customer-know/amp/

    There will be no change to tariffs and the energy price cap will still apply to bills.

    Does this mean that fixed rate deals will be honoured? I bloody well hope not.

    I think Bulb only had a single variable tariff; their prices bounced up and down quite a bit in response to market changes. (I was with them for the relatively green gas.) It was one of the things that made them a bit more robust than the first round of suppliers that went to the wall. But if the cap is lower then the market rate, then they're stuffed.

    But if they're stuffed, who isn't?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
    Caring is sharing.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8QEWA8wGM
    This link is a trap, don't ever, ever click it.
    Rickroll me once, shame on you...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Leon said:

    Some weird problemette with PB on Chrome? Doesn't load

    It's just PB.com. We're vanilla-only for the moment.

    Someone paging @rcs1000 ?
    For me it's been vanilla only for a couple of years now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    Did it? Not sure. It's very opaque

    CNN were trotting out the "not terrorism, not related to Rittenhouse" narrative as soon as they could

    And it all feels like premature lies now

    Who do you believe if the mainstream media simply lie? This is why Fake News grows on both extremes. Democracy is fucked by social media: discuss
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    Fucksake, don't they get that it's Boris himself that is the problem?
    Indeed, he's only just realised that governing is nothing like campaigning.
    When he eventually falls, no rate will be precipitous enough; no abyss too deep.
    Marvin Gaye ?
  • Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
    Caring is sharing.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8QEWA8wGM
    This link is a trap, don't ever, ever click it.
    Rickroll me once, shame on you...
    It was no Rickroll.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,075
    Scott_xP said:

    PM has just done Peppa Pig World again, in a speech at the Margaret Thatcher conference on trade at @CPSThinkTank https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1462883599238246403/photo/1

    That seems like a deliberate ploy to distract people's google results for Boris Johnson in that case.
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Young children don't inflict it on anyone. They would never have heard it had adults not introduced them to it in the first place.

    You clearly have no idea of the torture of enforced repetition.
    For me it was Postman Pat, whose name can still, two decades on, reduced me to a quivering jelly.
    Legitimately has been used as a form of torture, if memory serves.
  • Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Senior Tories demand shake-up of Johnson’s top team https://on.ft.com/3HHPtn7

    Fucksake, don't they get that it's Boris himself that is the problem?
    Indeed, he's only just realised that governing is nothing like campaigning.
    When he eventually falls, no rate will be precipitous enough; no abyss too deep.
    Marvin Gaye ?
    With Liz Truss as Tammi Terrell?

    Ain't no mountain high enough...
    To keep me from pushing you off it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    edited November 2021

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    Thankfully I have no idea what you're on about.
    Caring is sharing.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8QEWA8wGM
    This link is a trap, don't ever, ever click it.
    Rickroll me once, shame on you...
    It was no Rickroll.
    Though somehow I have no desire to click on that link.
    Post Postman Pat trauma is quite enough for me.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited November 2021

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    I had to watch an episode once.
    I have some sympathy for those with young children... even Boris.
    The Baby Shark song is the worst thing young children inflict on us.
    My wife, who’s a paediatrician, introduced me to that one!
  • JBriskin3 said:

    Anyone else unable to see comments on PB.com? Had to come to vanilla to see anything, PB.com just showing me a blank page where the comments should be.

    Yes - I'm having the same prob
    And me
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,075
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    Isn't being a risk taker the point? His highs may end up higher by virtue of that risk taking, but equally his lows may end up lower for the same reason.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    I keep on telling you the Welsh rugby union fans are savages, further proof, although this applies to the Welsh as a whole.

    Drunk Wales fan vomits on six-year-old boy leaving him 'in floods of tears'

    Officials admit to concerns about levels of drunkenness, making alcohol bans a future possibility


    A young Wales rugby supporter attending his first match was left traumatised after a drunk fan vomited on him during Saturday's game against Australia.

    Six-year-old supporter Joey was sitting with his parents in the upper tier of the Principality Stadium when he was vomited on by a supporter in the seats behind him, covering the young boy's back, his coat and the floor and leaving Joey in "floods of tears".

    Joey's mother, Sophie Delaney, told the BBC that the drunk fan did not say a word afterwards and appeared unaware of what they had done, adding that the supporter was "slumped over his seat and obviously very, very drunk".

    The incident was referred to matchday stewards with the Welsh Rugby Union now investigating the steward's report.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/11/22/drunk-wales-fan-vomits-six-year-old-boy-leaving-traumatised/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    It was noticeably 'larier' than normal at Twickenham for the England Australia game the Saturday before last. A lot of people seemed to be so drunk they couldn't really follow the match. I assumed it was the late kick-off but who knows.
    2002 at Twickenham was where I saw the drunkest man ever.

    He was at the urinals, he took out what was his todger but was in fact the bottom of his shirt, and ended up pissing on himself, totally oblivious to what he was doing.

    Walked out, the front of his trousers and shoes absolutely drenched in piss and he didn't even know.
    Drunkest man I ever saw was brought to an Indian restaurant by a taxi driver, set up at a table and fed by the staff. He was so drunk he seemed to be eating the tablecloth at one point...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    edited November 2021
    I'm a Labour voter. Not their biggest fan or particularly strident. But there we go.
    Tory always gets in any road up.
    But it's them or the Tories in government. No third option.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    In all senses, judging by the fact he was on bail and clearly shouldn't have been.

    A horrible tragedy that will only look worse if it turns out to have been an avoidable horrible tragedy.
    If it was intentional, it might not have made much difference, apart from the timing and the particular people he killed. More concerning is the apparent globalisation of the "drive into a crowd" murder technique we've seen in France and Britain.
    He overtook a lot of the marching bands, passing spectators, before striking some. If he was trying to kill then why dodge the first ones?

    I guess that we will find out in time.

    Jesus F Christ watch the videos. He aimed for the biggest kill

    This is a man who has social media praising Hitler, has been calling for the "knocking over of white people", asked for revenge over Rittenhouse, has been rhapsodising about Black Lives Matter, and who recently - weeks ago - got arrested for deliberately running over his "girlfriend". Literally running someone over last month

    The idea you would be calling for measured judgment if he was a racist, criminal, homicidal, Hitlerite white guy filmed ploughing into a black parade is, shall we say, piquant
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    The contempt. The entitlement. The hubris. It's quite something.

    EDIT: Him, I mean, Stocky, not you.
    Still not clear. Peppa Pig, or Boris?
    Peppa's a HER, Al, so it's clear who I'm talking about.
    Bloody hell, I learn something new on here every day.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    I’d emphatically agree with all of them except Cameron. He was a total waste of space, and frankly no better than Johnson.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited November 2021
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    Did it? Not sure. It's very opaque

    CNN were trotting out the "not terrorism, not related to Rittenhouse" narrative as soon as they could

    And it all feels like premature lies now

    Who do you believe if the mainstream media simply lie? This is why Fake News grows on both extremes. Democracy is fucked by social media: discuss
    Possibly. Time will tell.

    I wonder whether people were making similar points when printing/radio/TV started?
    ('Absolute monarchy is fucked by moveable type printing'? - oh, it was!)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    Isn't being a risk taker the point? His highs may end up higher by virtue of that risk taking, but equally his lows may end up lower for the same reason.
    Yes, he is Icarus, he will fall

    But who ever gives a fuck about Daedalus? Guy got away from Crete, whatever, meh, where is he now, some fucking bar in Nicosia, banging on about his "better wings"?

    Icarus is the one we recall
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    The contempt. The entitlement. The hubris. It's quite something.

    EDIT: Him, I mean, Stocky, not you.
    Still not clear. Peppa Pig, or Boris?
    Peppa's a HER, Al, so it's clear who I'm talking about.
    Bloody hell, I learn something new on here every day.
    She is the most irritating of children tv characters.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    Leon said:

    Icarus is the one we recall

    That's the problem with your theory.

    BoZo wins elections.

    Doesn't make him a good PM. He's fucking useless at the job.

    People will remember him. Like Icarus. The fucker couldn't fly...
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The ‘fleeing a crime scene’ narrative didn’t last long. Where did it come from?

    ‘JUST IN - Darrell Brooks intentionally drove his vehicle into the Christmas parade in #Waukesha and is charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide, according to the police.’

    It came from the police.
    Did it? Not sure. It's very opaque

    CNN were trotting out the "not terrorism, not related to Rittenhouse" narrative as soon as they could

    And it all feels like premature lies now

    Who do you believe if the mainstream media simply lie? This is why Fake News grows on both extremes. Democracy is fucked by social media: discuss
    Leon gets much of his source material from (dodgy) social media: discuss.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    I just made excellent miso soup. As good as you'd get in any restaurant. It took 10 minutes, max. Who knew?

    Dashi bonito powder, red miso paste, silken tofu, spring onions, wakame seaweed, water. That's it.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Icarus is the one we recall

    That's the problem with your theory.

    BoZo wins elections.

    Doesn't make him a good PM. He's fucking useless at the job.

    People will remember him. Like Icarus. The fucker couldn't fly...
    For someone who was twice Mayor of our great capital, he's now looked on with utter contempt from the vast majority of Londoners. Of course, it is safe to say that London is probably the reddest place in the country.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Icarus is the one we recall

    That's the problem with your theory.

    BoZo wins elections.

    Doesn't make him a good PM. He's fucking useless at the job.

    People will remember him. Like Icarus. The fucker couldn't fly...
    There's a pious story (i.e. it's probably balls, but it points to a deeper truth) that Pontius Pilate was desperate to be remembered, to go down in history.

    So God gave him what we wanted. And in churches around the world, he's remembered. Every day. Just not in a good way.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    What fresh hell have I missed today

    Peppa Pig
    The contempt. The entitlement. The hubris. It's quite something.

    EDIT: Him, I mean, Stocky, not you.
    Still not clear. Peppa Pig, or Boris?
    Peppa's a HER, Al, so it's clear who I'm talking about.
    Bloody hell, I learn something new on here every day.
    Is this where "left" wing wokery finally leads? The gender reassignment of Peppa Pig!
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Leon said:

    I just made excellent miso soup. As good as you'd get in any restaurant. It took 10 minutes, max. Who knew?

    Dashi bonito powder, red miso paste, silken tofu, spring onions, wakame seaweed, water. That's it.

    Obviously missing something. I just add boiling water to miso paste. Excellent for hangovers, nevertheless.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited November 2021
    AIUI bulb only offered variable tariffs - not fixed. Their business model was sound, except for the stupid cap.

    That’s what done it for them
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    edited November 2021
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Notable about the "hands up if you've been to Peppa Pig World" segment of the PM's speech to the CBI (fuxsake...). He was lost again. Pages being sifted through. Winging it. Again.

    This isn't Labour vs Tory. This is what image you are supposed to have as Prime Minister.

    Disraeli
    Gladstone
    Lloyd George
    Churchill
    Macmillan
    Wilson
    Thatcher
    Blair

    Now some bumbling fool blathering on about Peppa Pig.

    We used to matter as a country. It used to matter who was PM, what they did and how they did it.
    Forget the greats. Let's consider the disappointments we have recently had as PM.

    May. She couldn't take her party with her, but she was prepared to stand there and take the abuse to try to promote her vision of the future. And if we're honest, her vision was more coherent and better than that of the incumbent.

    Cameron. Made one epoch-defining mistake, but open to working with others, able to speak without notes, willing to work through the essay crisis.

    Brown. At some level mad, and deliberately chose to ignore some red flashing elephants in the room. But clearly clever and on top of stuff.

    Major. Had the misfortune to hold the exploding parcel when the music stopped. But got more done than you might think, and the epitome of decently keeping buggering on.

    None of them great PMs. But I'd have any of them back in a heartbeat, because the incumbent is just painful to watch.
    Boris is better than all of those. He wins. He would never make such a major fuck up as:

    1. May. Social care, nearly losing to Corbyn, NI backstop, eating chips

    2. Cameron's EU referendum, OMFG

    3. Brown. Botched election call, the endless stupid Blair feud

    4. Major. Being a europhile twat again and again and, still, again


    I'm quite serious. Boris has already proven himself a better PM than any of them by winning as mayor twice, winning the referendum, winning the election (with a huge majority), winning the vaccine race, and, it looks like - God willing - winning the Freedom Day Handicap and taking the risk on a summer opening

    Boris is a risk taker. A selfish, shambolic wanker of a risk taker, but a risk taker. And he wins. That. in politics and life, counts for a LOT, as Napoleon noted
    Nah. Winning an election gives you the opportunity to become a good PM. Taking risks with over peoples lives a livelihoods is not good governance. It’s what the most disastrous leaders do. The dice might be kind for a bit, but ultimately you lose big. He doesn’t care. Win or lose he’ll sell his memoirs.
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