I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
Moana's animation is the best I've ever seen. The water, hair and greenery in particular.
Yes, Moana is a fine sometimes brilliant movie
But Inside Out? Wow. Wow wow wow. Absolute genius
"Inside Out is animated cinema's brainstorm of the year, possibly the decade." - Nigel Andrews, Financial Times
"This is a humane and heart-wrenchingly beautiful film; even measured alongside Pixar's numerous great pictures, it stands out as one of the studio's very best." - Daily Telegraph
"As funny, stirring, unpredictable, exciting and riotously beautiful as it is profound." - Wall Street Journal
On and on. 98% rave reviews
How have we forgotten it? I wonder if it is something as basic as a poor, generic title (Inside Out - yawn). We remember "Toy Story" partly because the title is clever, solid, memorable, and an excellent brand
Inside Out is a brilliant film - clever, moving and quite avant-garde in places. The last ten or twenty years has seen a phenomenal run of films from Pixar and Disney - Inside Out, Toy Story (3 is the best for me, Christ I am a mess by the end), Wall-E, Up, Cars, Coco, Moana, Tangled and Frozen. The last is probably my favourite - I know it's super schmaltzy, but I just find the story of the estranged siblings so powerful. And that song of course. I can't think of any recent films for grown ups that are as good to be honest.
Didn't get on with Frozen, but all the rest, yes. Especially Tangled! I love that
I would add Monsters Inc, the Incredibles, and Finding Nemo. And there are surely others I have forgotten
We have been spoiled for 15 years by the most brilliant animated movies EVER
Shrek is now 20 years old but deserves to be up there in the list of greatest animated movies imho.
Actually I'd not describe that as abuse of honours. Getting a gong doesnt mean much. A position in the Lords gives someone legislative power and so is far far worse if tried.
I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
Moana's animation is the best I've ever seen. The water, hair and greenery in particular.
Yes, Moana is a fine sometimes brilliant movie
But Inside Out? Wow. Wow wow wow. Absolute genius
"Inside Out is animated cinema's brainstorm of the year, possibly the decade." - Nigel Andrews, Financial Times
"This is a humane and heart-wrenchingly beautiful film; even measured alongside Pixar's numerous great pictures, it stands out as one of the studio's very best." - Daily Telegraph
"As funny, stirring, unpredictable, exciting and riotously beautiful as it is profound." - Wall Street Journal
On and on. 98% rave reviews
How have we forgotten it? I wonder if it is something as basic as a poor, generic title (Inside Out - yawn). We remember "Toy Story" partly because the title is clever, solid, memorable, and an excellent brand
Inside Out is a brilliant film - clever, moving and quite avant-garde in places. The last ten or twenty years has seen a phenomenal run of films from Pixar and Disney - Inside Out, Toy Story (3 is the best for me, Christ I am a mess by the end), Wall-E, Up, Cars, Coco, Moana, Tangled and Frozen. The last is probably my favourite - I know it's super schmaltzy, but I just find the story of the estranged siblings so powerful. And that song of course. I can't think of any recent films for grown ups that are as good to be honest.
Didn't get on with Frozen, but all the rest, yes. Especially Tangled! I love that
I would add Monsters Inc, the Incredibles, and Finding Nemo. And there are surely others I have forgotten
We have been spoiled for 15 years by the most brilliant animated movies EVER
Not sura any modern one can equal The Jungle Book, but Pixar have turned out some greats.
I would cite Ratatouille as the best.
When I was in Singapore in the late 60s we used to see Jungle Book about once a month. We got word perfect but loved it. Almost no English speaking TV and very little media made regular trips to the cinema a thing.
I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
Moana's animation is the best I've ever seen. The water, hair and greenery in particular.
Yes, Moana is a fine sometimes brilliant movie
But Inside Out? Wow. Wow wow wow. Absolute genius
"Inside Out is animated cinema's brainstorm of the year, possibly the decade." - Nigel Andrews, Financial Times
"This is a humane and heart-wrenchingly beautiful film; even measured alongside Pixar's numerous great pictures, it stands out as one of the studio's very best." - Daily Telegraph
"As funny, stirring, unpredictable, exciting and riotously beautiful as it is profound." - Wall Street Journal
On and on. 98% rave reviews
How have we forgotten it? I wonder if it is something as basic as a poor, generic title (Inside Out - yawn). We remember "Toy Story" partly because the title is clever, solid, memorable, and an excellent brand
Inside Out is a brilliant film - clever, moving and quite avant-garde in places. The last ten or twenty years has seen a phenomenal run of films from Pixar and Disney - Inside Out, Toy Story (3 is the best for me, Christ I am a mess by the end), Wall-E, Up, Cars, Coco, Moana, Tangled and Frozen. The last is probably my favourite - I know it's super schmaltzy, but I just find the story of the estranged siblings so powerful. And that song of course. I can't think of any recent films for grown ups that are as good to be honest.
Didn't get on with Frozen, but all the rest, yes. Especially Tangled! I love that
I would add Monsters Inc, the Incredibles, and Finding Nemo. And there are surely others I have forgotten
We have been spoiled for 15 years by the most brilliant animated movies EVER
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
I mean that is just bonkers. I equally don't know there aren't fairies at the end of the garden but it isn't stupid to believe they don't exist. In fact the opposite; it is completely sane to believe they don't.
The universe is perfectly explainable without a god. The only thing atheist can't argue against is faith. You just can't argue against faith unfortunately.
I agree. Once you have experienced the baptism of the Spirit you cannot doubt it, if you have never had that then you fall into arguing about notions without experience. Like being deaf at a musical concert.
You will disapprove, but I found God on acid and speed in Regent's Park, aged 22 (and at that point "an avowed atheist", or so I thought)
The faith has never truly left me, in all the years since, even if I have done my best to drown the music in so many ways. At times it has saved my life.
Holiness to the Lord
That's weird, many, many years ago I had an argument with SeanT here about God and he told me the same story.
By the way in case you don't remember this isn't a wind up; we did.
@Leon, @SeanT, all different Avatars of the One True Thriller Writer!
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
I mean that is just bonkers. I equally don't know there aren't fairies at the end of the garden but it isn't stupid to believe they don't exist. In fact the opposite; it is completely sane to believe they don't.
The universe is perfectly explainable without a god. The only thing atheist can't argue against is faith. You just can't argue against faith unfortunately.
I don't think the fundamental nature of reality is explicable. Science has increased our knowledge of reality immensely (always subject to revision) but the really big questions such as: Why is there anything? Does free will exist? What is nature of consciousness? Is the future determined? are open and possibly always will be. A lot of popular atheist arguments are simplistically reductionist assertions or attacks on religious straw men. Mind you I'll always cheer on Dawkins against bible literalists or Islamic fundamentalists!
Is the future determined? No, it isn't. Quantum physics pretty much lays waste to determinism.
I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
Moana's animation is the best I've ever seen. The water, hair and greenery in particular.
Yes, Moana is a fine sometimes brilliant movie
But Inside Out? Wow. Wow wow wow. Absolute genius
"Inside Out is animated cinema's brainstorm of the year, possibly the decade." - Nigel Andrews, Financial Times
"This is a humane and heart-wrenchingly beautiful film; even measured alongside Pixar's numerous great pictures, it stands out as one of the studio's very best." - Daily Telegraph
"As funny, stirring, unpredictable, exciting and riotously beautiful as it is profound." - Wall Street Journal
On and on. 98% rave reviews
How have we forgotten it? I wonder if it is something as basic as a poor, generic title (Inside Out - yawn). We remember "Toy Story" partly because the title is clever, solid, memorable, and an excellent brand
Inside Out is a brilliant film - clever, moving and quite avant-garde in places. The last ten or twenty years has seen a phenomenal run of films from Pixar and Disney - Inside Out, Toy Story (3 is the best for me, Christ I am a mess by the end), Wall-E, Up, Cars, Coco, Moana, Tangled and Frozen. The last is probably my favourite - I know it's super schmaltzy, but I just find the story of the estranged siblings so powerful. And that song of course. I can't think of any recent films for grown ups that are as good to be honest.
The difference between a kids film and a family film. The latter work for all ages and deserve that they can now be nominated for Best Picture.
I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
Moana's animation is the best I've ever seen. The water, hair and greenery in particular.
Yes, Moana is a fine sometimes brilliant movie
But Inside Out? Wow. Wow wow wow. Absolute genius
"Inside Out is animated cinema's brainstorm of the year, possibly the decade." - Nigel Andrews, Financial Times
"This is a humane and heart-wrenchingly beautiful film; even measured alongside Pixar's numerous great pictures, it stands out as one of the studio's very best." - Daily Telegraph
"As funny, stirring, unpredictable, exciting and riotously beautiful as it is profound." - Wall Street Journal
On and on. 98% rave reviews
How have we forgotten it? I wonder if it is something as basic as a poor, generic title (Inside Out - yawn). We remember "Toy Story" partly because the title is clever, solid, memorable, and an excellent brand
Inside Out is a brilliant film - clever, moving and quite avant-garde in places. The last ten or twenty years has seen a phenomenal run of films from Pixar and Disney - Inside Out, Toy Story (3 is the best for me, Christ I am a mess by the end), Wall-E, Up, Cars, Coco, Moana, Tangled and Frozen. The last is probably my favourite - I know it's super schmaltzy, but I just find the story of the estranged siblings so powerful. And that song of course. I can't think of any recent films for grown ups that are as good to be honest.
Didn't get on with Frozen, but all the rest, yes. Especially Tangled! I love that
I would add Monsters Inc, the Incredibles, and Finding Nemo. And there are surely others I have forgotten
We have been spoiled for 15 years by the most brilliant animated movies EVER
Not sura any modern one can equal The Jungle Book, but Pixar have turned out some greats.
I would cite Ratatouille as the best.
I forgot Ratatouille! I knew I'd forget a few greats - there have been so many
Yes a superb movie. It is oddly reassuring to learn that the odious restaurant critic is based, apparently, on Will Self
Though he does experience that transcendental moment and is born again as a restauranter, when he least expects it, but yet is open to it:
I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
Moana's animation is the best I've ever seen. The water, hair and greenery in particular.
Yes, Moana is a fine sometimes brilliant movie
But Inside Out? Wow. Wow wow wow. Absolute genius
"Inside Out is animated cinema's brainstorm of the year, possibly the decade." - Nigel Andrews, Financial Times
"This is a humane and heart-wrenchingly beautiful film; even measured alongside Pixar's numerous great pictures, it stands out as one of the studio's very best." - Daily Telegraph
"As funny, stirring, unpredictable, exciting and riotously beautiful as it is profound." - Wall Street Journal
On and on. 98% rave reviews
How have we forgotten it? I wonder if it is something as basic as a poor, generic title (Inside Out - yawn). We remember "Toy Story" partly because the title is clever, solid, memorable, and an excellent brand
Inside Out is a brilliant film - clever, moving and quite avant-garde in places. The last ten or twenty years has seen a phenomenal run of films from Pixar and Disney - Inside Out, Toy Story (3 is the best for me, Christ I am a mess by the end), Wall-E, Up, Cars, Coco, Moana, Tangled and Frozen. The last is probably my favourite - I know it's super schmaltzy, but I just find the story of the estranged siblings so powerful. And that song of course. I can't think of any recent films for grown ups that are as good to be honest.
Didn't get on with Frozen, but all the rest, yes. Especially Tangled! I love that
I would add Monsters Inc, the Incredibles, and Finding Nemo. And there are surely others I have forgotten
We have been spoiled for 15 years by the most brilliant animated movies EVER
Shrek is now 20 years old but deserves to be up there in the list of greatest animated movies imho.
Hilarious, especially the taking piss out of Disney elements.
A thread or so ago, a new PBer from my own neck of the woods in the great Pacific Northwest mentioned that there is a very interesting recall election in December concerning a member of the Seattle City Council.
Kshama Sawant is the (currrent) stormy petrel of Seattle politics. An Indian American immigrant and former software engineer for Microsoft, she first won election to the city council in 2013 as the "Socialist Alternative" candidate, narrowly (and surprisingly) defeating an incumbent council citywide. Her victory being due less to her avowed socialism than to her populist opposition to the city hall establishment. (Yours truly was one who voted for her at that time on that basis.)
PBers may be interested to note, that Sawant's Socialist Alternative is the 3rd Millennium addition of Militant Tenancy. As noted last night, she is a Trotskyist Communist, not a Democratic Socialist as most Seattle media and voters imagine.
Sawant again won election in 2015 this time for the District 3 city council seat (Capitol Hill, Madison Park & Valley, Montlake & parts of downtown). In 2019, based on the results of the August primary it appeared she was heading for defeat, but massive over-spending against her by Amazon caused sufficient backlash to help her squeak through to re-election.
Her inflammatory rhetoric and occasional lapses in complying with public ethics laws have landed her in hot water more than once, and has now lead to the current recall.
Sponsors of the recall held back submitting all the voter signatures they collected until AFTER the deadline for appearing on the 2021 general election ballot. Why? Because they calculated that they had a better chance of defeating her in a lower turnout election, with fewer younger & thus more progressive voters who are her base.
However, yours truly is NOT sure that was such smart strategy. Because over the course of many hard-fought elections (primary & general) over the last decade, Kshama Sawant has built herself a strong grassroots organization in her chosen District 3 turf. It is largely "astroturf" because she raises a lot of money (sources largely unknown) which she does NOT spend on TV or mail or consultants, but instead puts her moolah into paying field organizers. A friend of mine reports that one of these guys has already stopped by to touch base three times in the last six months.
Plus methinks that some voters who voted against her the last time around, will conclude that, while they did not support her then and still don't now, the specific charges against her just do NOT rise to the level justifying removal from office after having won the last election fair & square.
Sawant's opponents will of course spend a LOT of money - again - trying to defeat her. But they vividly recall how in 2017, when she was on the ropes and going down after the primary, Bezos and his mega-bucks managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
It shall not be lawful for any person professing the Roman Catholic religion directly or indirectly to advise his Majesty, or any person or persons holding or exercising the office of guardians of the United Kingdom, or of regent of the United Kingdom, under whatever name, style, or title such office may be constituted, or the lord lieutenant of Ireland, touching or concerning the appointment to or disposal of any office or preferment in the Church of England, or in the Church of Scotland; and if any such person shall offend in the premises he shall, being thereof convicted by due course of law, be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and disabled for ever from holding any office, civil or military, under the Crown.
So the Queen is forbidden by Law from taking Boris' advice? Very wise and foresighted.
1. Scotland is Priti Patel's country as well. 2. Comparing her to one of the architects of the holocaust is revolting. 3. Priti is an ethnic minority woman and the daughter of refugees expelled from Uganda.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because you expected better of the Vicar of St Albions?
No because lobbying is legal
Paying PM 1M GBP to change policy is not.
As anyone in F1 knew, Bernie was a very shrewd negotiator.
He managed to get his policy enacted by Tony, and didn’t have to pay a penny for it.
It was the most corrupt thing I've ever seen in politics and all it took from Tony was a smirk at the cameras.
IIRC, Bernie leaned Conservative. He felt the deal he did with the government was above board, and was a reasonable compromise to a difficult situation for the sport. A longer delay in enacting the tobacco sponsorship ban, in order to move onto other sponsorship was vital in a sport that has its heart in the UK. The ensuing scandal, by the papers and the Conservative opposition, turned him well and truly against both parties.
IMV that was a good argument. The issue was that Bernie had paid the Labour Party a million earlier in the year, and no-one realised, or cared, that it could be seen as a conflict of interest.
But apparently he has never forgiven the Tories ...
I don't care about the Bernie angle - I care about how little people cared about the corrupt practises of Tone.
Yes, you've mentioned it, what, eight times already this thread. It was a long time ago, the rules have been tightened up since, and owing to Iraq, pretty much everyone is contemptuous of Blair anyway.
There might be a more direct parallel with Blair accepting free holidays, and it was surely suspicious that Blair's records were deleted before the expenses scandal but I doubt you'll find anyone on the left who cares and an awful lot of voters won't even remember.
Briskin is like a broken record, the only Tory in the village
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
I mean that is just bonkers. I equally don't know there aren't fairies at the end of the garden but it isn't stupid to believe they don't exist. In fact the opposite; it is completely sane to believe they don't.
The universe is perfectly explainable without a god. The only thing atheist can't argue against is faith. You just can't argue against faith unfortunately.
I don't think the fundamental nature of reality is explicable. Science has increased our knowledge of reality immensely (always subject to revision) but the really big questions such as: Why is there anything? Does free will exist? What is nature of consciousness? Is the future determined? are open and possibly always will be. A lot of popular atheist arguments are simplistically reductionist assertions or attacks on religious straw men. Mind you I'll always cheer on Dawkins against bible literalists or Islamic fundamentalists!
Is the future determined? No, it isn't. Quantum physics pretty much lays waste to determinism.
Some on this website are under the impression that the Queen is head of the Church of England. The last monarch to hold that title was Mary I, although being a Roman Catholic, she negotiated this away to the Pope. Her successor, Elizabeth I, took the title Supreme Governor, a much less controversial accolade. The present monarch has the same title.
Is this the same PM who conducted an affair while he was chief whip?
You've lost the argument in favour of Johnson if you are claiming a politician has no credibility and thus should be silenced because he was unfaithful to his wife.
Not at all
Boris is constantly attacked for his morals, and John Major is open to the same criticism
Oh Dear G, you think a few bonks with Currie is anything like Bozo impregnating half the Tories in the country.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
I mean that is just bonkers. I equally don't know there aren't fairies at the end of the garden but it isn't stupid to believe they don't exist. In fact the opposite; it is completely sane to believe they don't.
The universe is perfectly explainable without a god. The only thing atheist can't argue against is faith. You just can't argue against faith unfortunately.
I don't think the fundamental nature of reality is explicable. Science has increased our knowledge of reality immensely (always subject to revision) but the really big questions such as: Why is there anything? Does free will exist? What is nature of consciousness? Is the future determined? are open and possibly always will be. A lot of popular atheist arguments are simplistically reductionist assertions or attacks on religious straw men. Mind you I'll always cheer on Dawkins against bible literalists or Islamic fundamentalists!
Is the future determined? No, it isn't. Quantum physics pretty much lays waste to determinism.
It probably does.
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Only 3 likes so far for that? Come on.
It's a bit to clever I suspect. I had to read it again after your comment and have got it and duly liked.
I'm playing Mahler's 5th now. The adagietto. Used in "Death in Venice" - the greatest film music ever made
How can you NOT believe when you listen to this? And if you don't believe, how can you not doubt your doubt?
I think you'll find that the "greatest film music ever made" is the Moana soundtrack.
I'd have Oliver! as a close 2nd after Mahler
Moana was good, mind. A somewhat neglected minor masterpiece of the genre. It came out right in the middle of the Golden Age of New Animation when almost every new "cartoon" was kinda genius
Think about Inside Out. One of the greatest movies ever made, I reckon. Not just animated movies. Movies. Now almost forgotten
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
I mean that is just bonkers. I equally don't know there aren't fairies at the end of the garden but it isn't stupid to believe they don't exist. In fact the opposite; it is completely sane to believe they don't.
The universe is perfectly explainable without a god. The only thing atheist can't argue against is faith. You just can't argue against faith unfortunately.
I agree. Once you have experienced the baptism of the Spirit you cannot doubt it, if you have never had that then you fall into arguing about notions without experience. Like being deaf at a musical concert.
You will disapprove, but I found God on acid and speed in Regent's Park, aged 22 (and at that point "an avowed atheist", or so I thought)
The faith has never truly left me, in all the years since, even if I have done my best to drown the music in so many ways. At times it has saved my life.
Holiness to the Lord
I was an avowed atheist until I was 30ish. Then things changed. The baptism of the Spirit is always available, but we are not always open to it.
And yes, I do not think mind altering drugs give the authentic experience, just a simulacrum. Some cultures think otherwise of course.
Tut tut. Zillions of indigenous cultures say otherwise. Drugs open the Doors of Perception. Indeed,, throughout human history, psychoactive drugs have been THE route to spirituality. You are showing your eurocentrism (and puritanism)
Anyway, it doesn't matter how you get to God, no more than it matters how you get to Venice, or how you meet your true love. Just get there. Just make the meeting
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
I mean that is just bonkers. I equally don't know there aren't fairies at the end of the garden but it isn't stupid to believe they don't exist. In fact the opposite; it is completely sane to believe they don't.
The universe is perfectly explainable without a god. The only thing atheist can't argue against is faith. You just can't argue against faith unfortunately.
I agree. Once you have experienced the baptism of the Spirit you cannot doubt it, if you have never had that then you fall into arguing about notions without experience. Like being deaf at a musical concert.
You will disapprove, but I found God on acid and speed in Regent's Park, aged 22 (and at that point "an avowed atheist", or so I thought)
The faith has never truly left me, in all the years since, even if I have done my best to drown the music in so many ways. At times it has saved my life.
Holiness to the Lord
I was an avowed atheist until I was 30ish. Then things changed. The baptism of the Spirit is always available, but we are not always open to it.
And yes, I do not think mind altering drugs give the authentic experience, just a simulacrum. Some cultures think otherwise of course.
Tut tut. Zillions of indigenous cultures say otherwise. Drugs open the Doors of Perception. Indeed,, throughout human history, psychoactive drugs have been THE route to spirituality. You are showing your eurocentrism (and puritanism)
Anyway, it doesn't matter how you get to God, no more than it matters how you get to Venice, or how you meet your true love. Just get there. Just make the meeting
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Actually I'd not describe that as abuse of honours. Getting a gong doesnt mean much. A position in the Lords gives someone legislative power and so is far far worse if tried.
Move St John to Outside Right and play Christ at Centre Forward.
Cant be.. he let in two..
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https://youtu.be/kuyUKdJccgM
Kshama Sawant is the (currrent) stormy petrel of Seattle politics. An Indian American immigrant and former software engineer for Microsoft, she first won election to the city council in 2013 as the "Socialist Alternative" candidate, narrowly (and surprisingly) defeating an incumbent council citywide. Her victory being due less to her avowed socialism than to her populist opposition to the city hall establishment. (Yours truly was one who voted for her at that time on that basis.)
PBers may be interested to note, that Sawant's Socialist Alternative is the 3rd Millennium addition of Militant Tenancy. As noted last night, she is a Trotskyist Communist, not a Democratic Socialist as most Seattle media and voters imagine.
Sawant again won election in 2015 this time for the District 3 city council seat (Capitol Hill, Madison Park & Valley, Montlake & parts of downtown). In 2019, based on the results of the August primary it appeared she was heading for defeat, but massive over-spending against her by Amazon caused sufficient backlash to help her squeak through to re-election.
Her inflammatory rhetoric and occasional lapses in complying with public ethics laws have landed her in hot water more than once, and has now lead to the current recall.
Sponsors of the recall held back submitting all the voter signatures they collected until AFTER the deadline for appearing on the 2021 general election ballot. Why? Because they calculated that they had a better chance of defeating her in a lower turnout election, with fewer younger & thus more progressive voters who are her base.
However, yours truly is NOT sure that was such smart strategy. Because over the course of many hard-fought elections (primary & general) over the last decade, Kshama Sawant has built herself a strong grassroots organization in her chosen District 3 turf. It is largely "astroturf" because she raises a lot of money (sources largely unknown) which she does NOT spend on TV or mail or consultants, but instead puts her moolah into paying field organizers. A friend of mine reports that one of these guys has already stopped by to touch base three times in the last six months.
Plus methinks that some voters who voted against her the last time around, will conclude that, while they did not support her then and still don't now, the specific charges against her just do NOT rise to the level justifying removal from office after having won the last election fair & square.
Sawant's opponents will of course spend a LOT of money - again - trying to defeat her. But they vividly recall how in 2017, when she was on the ropes and going down after the primary, Bezos and his mega-bucks managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
This thread has lost its faith
Very wise and foresighted.
Come on.
Her successor, Elizabeth I, took the title Supreme Governor, a much less controversial accolade. The present monarch has the same title.
Or of course I'm a bit stupid.
Broccoli pizza!