The only way is down for cases now, the last virgin territory for Covid is gone and the fall is accelerating.
let us hope that hospitalisations and deaths also drop. Case numbers don't matter - so we're told - as long as the other two metrics are down.
What's the sweet spot of just enough people getting ill/dying to keep Boris in trouble, but not enough to make his haters feel like they're wishing bad on people?
Gosh, you are so very protective of your "Boris". Who would you support if he was playing Arsenal?
There there. Sorry to have touched a nerve by calling Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
Yep, anybody disses your Boris and you get right on their case, don't you, touching their nerves and stuff.
Disses - Oh to be back in the 90s
Now EYE seem to have touched a nerve and you're stuck thinking up replies.
You should leave it out, mate, I'm not worth it.
Don't undersell yourself Kinabalu. Of course you are worth it!
Dodgy old Mr K. Worth it... the jury must be out!
He's a diamond!
He can be a cheery rough rock so far as I'm concerned, so long as he's cheery. Mr K?
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
The only way is down for cases now, the last virgin territory for Covid is gone and the fall is accelerating.
let us hope that hospitalisations and deaths also drop. Case numbers don't matter - so we're told - as long as the other two metrics are down.
What's the sweet spot of just enough people getting ill/dying to keep Boris in trouble, but not enough to make his haters feel like they're wishing bad on people?
Gosh, you are so very protective of your "Boris". Who would you support if he was playing Arsenal?
There there. Sorry to have touched a nerve by calling Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
Yep, anybody disses your Boris and you get right on their case, don't you, touching their nerves and stuff.
Disses - Oh to be back in the 90s
Now EYE seem to have touched a nerve and you're stuck thinking up replies.
You should leave it out, mate, I'm not worth it.
If I had known it would upset you this much, I'd never have called Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
The only way is down for cases now, the last virgin territory for Covid is gone and the fall is accelerating.
let us hope that hospitalisations and deaths also drop. Case numbers don't matter - so we're told - as long as the other two metrics are down.
What's the sweet spot of just enough people getting ill/dying to keep Boris in trouble, but not enough to make his haters feel like they're wishing bad on people?
Gosh, you are so very protective of your "Boris". Who would you support if he was playing Arsenal?
There there. Sorry to have touched a nerve by calling Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
Yep, anybody disses your Boris and you get right on their case, don't you, touching their nerves and stuff.
Disses - Oh to be back in the 90s
Now EYE seem to have touched a nerve and you're stuck thinking up replies.
You should leave it out, mate, I'm not worth it.
If I had known it would upset you this much, I'd never have called Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
I wouldn't emphasise it, actually. British politics could do with a Bath to clean it up, and he is one.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
iirc the original Airpods complaint was that Rayner had charged the taxpayer for engraving her name on them. Only after it turned out that was free did "concern" change to her having bought them in the first place.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
The biggest difference between the Tories and Labour is that the latter have been out of power, and therefore without the opportunities, for over a decade.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Labour are of course worse - much worse. Paterson illustrates an uncomfortable situation though with MPs getting paid by commercial interests.
I don't have any connection with the Labour Party anymore, so I have no dog in the race, however, can you run that by me again with illustrations to help. Illustrations in crayon will be fine.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
A poor choice. It's a surprisingly unimportant number.
The smallest even non-prime?
Also the first non-negative, non-zero integer which isn't equal to its own square.
Isn’t that two? Or am I missing something?
Remember, I’m a Physics teacher: number theory and groups only start to be useful in some of the wilder shores of particle physics that I didn’t fully understand when I was studying them.
Sorry - quiote right. Woozy from Moderna booster. Also the first square above one which isn't equal to its own root ...
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I think England have made the calculation that since whatever happens they've done what they need to, they might as well have a thrash and see what happens.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Labour are of course worse - much worse. Paterson illustrates an uncomfortable situation though with MPs getting paid by commercial interests.
I don't have any connection with the Labour Party anymore, so I have no dog in the race, however, can you run that by me again with illustrations to help. Illustrations in crayon will be fine.
I have no crayons. I think they're only used in the Labour manifesto these days.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Was Paterson worse than Blair?
I think so, yes, because in Paterson's case it was for personal gain, but I think that's a less important distinction. Also, there was a greater element of deception in Paterson's case, as he didn't declare his payments when writing his letters, whereas I believe the Ecclestone donation to Labour was declared within the rules.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Also, however, the F1 thing was to influence policy. The ear buds, not so much, as you say.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
For me to vote for labour or the lib dems they need to make an offer that is acceptable to me
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Also, however, the F1 thing was to influence policy. The ear buds, not so much, as you say.
What's wrong with claiming air pods for expenses? If you need them for listening to business calls on the train between Westminster and your constituency, that seems reasonable.
The only way is down for cases now, the last virgin territory for Covid is gone and the fall is accelerating.
let us hope that hospitalisations and deaths also drop. Case numbers don't matter - so we're told - as long as the other two metrics are down.
What's the sweet spot of just enough people getting ill/dying to keep Boris in trouble, but not enough to make his haters feel like they're wishing bad on people?
Gosh, you are so very protective of your "Boris". Who would you support if he was playing Arsenal?
There there. Sorry to have touched a nerve by calling Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
Yep, anybody disses your Boris and you get right on their case, don't you, touching their nerves and stuff.
Disses - Oh to be back in the 90s
Now EYE seem to have touched a nerve and you're stuck thinking up replies.
You should leave it out, mate, I'm not worth it.
Don't undersell yourself Kinabalu. Of course you are worth it!
Dodgy old Mr K. Worth it... the jury must be out!
He's a diamond!
He can be a cheery rough rock so far as I'm concerned, so long as he's cheery. Mr K?
Yep, thanks for asking. I'm neutral to positive. Usual feeltone for me. And I'm about to cast off Johnson and embrace the Breeders Cup.
But just one last one for the road on the Magnificent Muscly Man aka Perfidious Posh -
I heard Lou Macari on the radio this morning talking about his work with the homeless. What an admirable bloke he seemed, and I bet is. What particularly struck me, with BoJo's antics again in the spotlight, was we were listening to a 'person' with no trace of an intervening 'persona'. Eg, and cf Macari, you see clips of Jimmy Savile talk about his charity work and it's 100% persona, ie act, which causes the person to be hidden. A strong and constant 'persona' like that, which isn't the same thing as 'personality', doesn't have to be hiding something sinister, as with Savile, but such people make me uneasy. If you can develop one of these 'persona' things it helps you to amuse and entertain, and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s why stage comics often have them, also certain posters on PB, but it also allows you to conceal, fool, deflect, distract, and to barefaced lie on matters large and small without compunction. Back to Johnson, this is imo the essence of our problem. We've elected a persona not a person as PM. It’s the first time we’ve done this and I really hope it’s the last.
There, that's well and truly said now. I can relax and kick back.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Also, however, the F1 thing was to influence policy. The ear buds, not so much, as you say.
What's wrong with claiming air pods for expenses? If you need them for listening to business calls on the train between Westminster and your constituency, that seems reasonable.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Also, however, the F1 thing was to influence policy. The ear buds, not so much, as you say.
What's wrong with claiming air pods for expenses? If you need them for listening to business calls on the train between Westminster and your constituency, that seems reasonable.
Quite; bit expensive but useful in a way in which duck houses are not, still less influencing policy on food/tobacco.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because he was PM, yes. Thank goodness No10 is above that kind of behaviour now.
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Labour are doing this wrong. 'Corrupt' is too strong a word to be persuasive for those who aren't already very anti-Tory, That's why Alastair Campbell used the milder word 'sleaze' so effectively in the 90s.
Instead they should go in heavily on the government's arrogance, framing it repeatedly with the line that 'they don't think the rules apply to them'. It's a charge which will stick much more effectively than accusing the government of outright corruption.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because he was PM, yes. Thank goodness No10 is above that kind of behaviour now.
All it took from Blair was a smirk at the camera while saying that he was a "Pretty Straight Guy"
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because you expected better of the Vicar of St Albions?
Labour are doing this wrong. 'Corrupt' is too strong a word to be persuasive for those who aren't already very anti-Tory, That's why Alastair Campbell used the milder word 'sleaze' so effectively in the 90s.
Instead they should go in heavily on the government's arrogance, framing it repeatedly with the line that 'they don't think the rules apply to them'. It's a charge which will stick much more effectively than accusing the government of outright corruption.
well, yes, because it's true. As they have demonstrated many times.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because you expected better of the Vicar of St Albions?
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
False equivalence again. No-one's been murdered. Nothing's been stolen. Airpods and other tech kit are legitimate expenses, even if cheaper alternatives are available. Apple might be expensive but it works, is robust and is usually foolproof. As a techie, I'd have no objection to any MP buying Apple. (There is a separate argument that it would be better if tech kit were centrally supplied and supported by a parliamentary IT department but it isn't.)
Public opinion is complicated. The fact headline voting intention figures don’t move much a couple of days after event X doesn’t make it unimportant. Look at leader ratings, perceptions of govt / opposition, look at several polls not just one, take the long view.
Or don’t....
Put another way. One event is unlikely to permanently change anything unless it’s a really really major event. More important is the drip drip drip of negativity vs the govt measured against the fact voters aren’t buying Labour as an alternative.
The only way is down for cases now, the last virgin territory for Covid is gone and the fall is accelerating.
let us hope that hospitalisations and deaths also drop. Case numbers don't matter - so we're told - as long as the other two metrics are down.
What's the sweet spot of just enough people getting ill/dying to keep Boris in trouble, but not enough to make his haters feel like they're wishing bad on people?
Gosh, you are so very protective of your "Boris". Who would you support if he was playing Arsenal?
There there. Sorry to have touched a nerve by calling Sir Keir, "Sir Keir"
Yep, anybody disses your Boris and you get right on their case, don't you, touching their nerves and stuff.
Disses - Oh to be back in the 90s
Now EYE seem to have touched a nerve and you're stuck thinking up replies.
You should leave it out, mate, I'm not worth it.
Don't undersell yourself Kinabalu. Of course you are worth it!
Dodgy old Mr K. Worth it... the jury must be out!
He's a diamond!
He can be a cheery rough rock so far as I'm concerned, so long as he's cheery. Mr K?
Yep, thanks for asking. I'm neutral to positive. Usual feeltone for me. And I'm about to cast off Johnson and embrace the Breeders Cup.
But just one last one for the road on the Magnificent Muscly Man aka Perfidious Posh -
I heard Lou Macari on the radio this morning talking about his work with the homeless. What an admirable bloke he seemed, and I bet is. What particularly struck me, with BoJo's antics again in the spotlight, was we were listening to a 'person' with no trace of an intervening 'persona'. Eg, and cf Macari, you see clips of Jimmy Savile talk about his charity work and it's 100% persona, ie act, which causes the person to be hidden. A strong and constant 'persona' like that, which isn't the same thing as 'personality', doesn't have to be hiding something sinister, as with Savile, but such people make me uneasy. If you can develop one of these 'persona' things it helps you to amuse and entertain, and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s why stage comics often have them, also certain posters on PB, but it also allows you to conceal, fool, deflect, distract, and to barefaced lie on matters large and small without compunction. Back to Johnson, this is imo the essence of our problem. We've elected a persona not a person as PM. It’s the first time we’ve done this and I really hope it’s the last.
There, that's well and truly said now. I can relax and kick back.
Just once, just this once, I guess we'll let you off the hook. Admittedly I can't speak for the others on PB! Have you seen the state of me.. or them!
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
I thought paragraph 3 got to the nub of the argument.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because you expected better of the Vicar of St Albions?
No because lobbying is legal
Paying PM 1M GBP to change policy is not.
As anyone in F1 knew, Bernie was a very shrewd negotiator.
He managed to get his policy enacted by Tony, and didn’t have to pay a penny for it.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Also, however, the F1 thing was to influence policy. The ear buds, not so much, as you say.
What's wrong with claiming air pods for expenses? If you need them for listening to business calls on the train between Westminster and your constituency, that seems reasonable.
I guess one thing with the airpods is the blurred boundary between personal and business equipment. I have a pair of bluetooth earbuds for my own personal use, so if I was an MP to claim for them on expenses would be taking the piss. I did claim on my work expenses for a headset with a microphone to plug into my laptop to use on business calls, but in that case I chose a basic set that kept within the expenses limit, and I've only very rarely used it for personal use - I wouldn't have bought one for personal use.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because you expected better of the Vicar of St Albions?
No because lobbying is legal
Paying PM 1M GBP to change policy is not.
As anyone in F1 knew, Bernie was a very shrewd negotiator.
He managed to get his policy enacted by Tony, and didn’t have to pay a penny for it.
It was the most corrupt thing I've ever seen in politics and all it took from Tony was a smirk at the cameras.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because you expected better of the Vicar of St Albions?
No because lobbying is legal
Paying PM 1M GBP to change policy is not.
As anyone in F1 knew, Bernie was a very shrewd negotiator.
He managed to get his policy enacted by Tony, and didn’t have to pay a penny for it.
Indeed, but very good to people who worked for him. If they deserved it.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because he was PM, yes. Thank goodness No10 is above that kind of behaviour now.
All it took from Blair was a smirk at the camera while saying that he was a "Pretty Straight Guy"
cf.
Blanket media coverage of BoJo
I don't think your final statement is true at all. Johnson is quite often protected by his fellow media colleagues. See the substituting of 2016 footage for Johnson's 2019 Cenotaph gaffe, amongst others.
The problem appears to be Johnson is pulling strokes on a daily basis, some trivial, some, more serious, and some, like Wednesday/Thursday absolutely outrageous.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
I was talking about the distinction between claiming for airpods on expenses and acting as the Member for Randox in Parliament. Blair is no longer standing for election.
Also, however, the F1 thing was to influence policy. The ear buds, not so much, as you say.
What's wrong with claiming air pods for expenses? If you need them for listening to business calls on the train between Westminster and your constituency, that seems reasonable.
I guess one thing with the airpods is the blurred boundary between personal and business equipment. I have a pair of bluetooth earbuds for my own personal use, so if I was an MP to claim for them on expenses would be taking the piss. I did claim on my work expenses for a headset with a microphone to plug into my laptop to use on business calls, but in that case I chose a basic set that kept within the expenses limit, and I've only very rarely used it for personal use - I wouldn't have bought one for personal use.
IANAaccountant but isn't this what "benefits in kind" are about?
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because he was PM, yes. Thank goodness No10 is above that kind of behaviour now.
All it took from Blair was a smirk at the camera while saying that he was a "Pretty Straight Guy"
cf.
Blanket media coverage of BoJo
I don't think your final statement is true at all. Johnson is quite often protected by his fellow media colleagues. See the substituting of 2016 footage for Johnson's 2019 Cenotaph gaffe, amongst others.
The problem appears to be Johnson is pulling strokes on a daily basis, some trivial, some, more serious, and some, like Wednesday/Thursday absolutely outrageous.
BoJo should probably just do an interview with the beeb and say "we're pretty straight guys"
Sounds like WW3 has broken out here: my cats are not happy…
I heard the fishing crisis was heating up and Johnson was considering declaring war on France to divert from the Paterson crisis, but I hadn't considered the feline angle. I suppose fish is an important political issue for cats.
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Claudia Webb is currently an Independent and the Labour Party or any other party for that matter has no direct influence on whether she chooses to resign or stay.
Demanding Rayner's resignation because Paterson resigned may be a fair point. But you should also be demanding Matt Hancock and several other MPs from the Labour and Conservative Parties fall on their swords too for over indulging in Apple products at the taxpayers expense.
It suits me if Rayner is defenestrated for her ear buds. It would make it much easier to throw Johnson to the dogs over Carrie's wallpaper...or doesn't that count?
Your second paragraph is the crucial one. Any of them caught doing anything crooked should resign. They are supposed to be deciding our laws and the rules by which they expect us to lead our lives. How can they do that if they themselves are crooked.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
There was an actual Victorian judge who dismissed a charge against a pickpocket because the indictment stated he was charged on 144 counts and only enumerated 143 of them.
Wow. Love these snippets from history.
You might like this site; the Old Bailey's historical records from 1674 to 1913. Lots of fascinating details of life.
Public opinion is complicated. The fact headline voting intention figures don’t move much a couple of days after event X doesn’t make it unimportant. Look at leader ratings, perceptions of govt / opposition, look at several polls not just one, take the long view.
Or don’t....
Put another way. One event is unlikely to permanently change anything unless it’s a really really major event. More important is the drip drip drip of negativity vs the govt measured against the fact voters aren’t buying Labour as an alternative.
Public opinion is complicated. The fact headline voting intention figures don’t move much a couple of days after event X doesn’t make it unimportant. Look at leader ratings, perceptions of govt / opposition, look at several polls not just one, take the long view.
Or don’t....
Put another way. One event is unlikely to permanently change anything unless it’s a really really major event. More important is the drip drip drip of negativity vs the govt measured against the fact voters aren’t buying Labour as an alternative.
The days after some kind of scandal are the ones to avoid looking at polls, if you are interested in the long term. If you are betting on a poll lead before a certain date, then obviously they are of interest. Many shrewdies I have worked with in betting live by ignoring a bad/the last run/game, whilst the mugs rush in based on recency
I have just watched the advert and my conclusion is many will respond
He has resigned as an MP Angela
Has Claudia Webb, and how about the £249 you falsely claimed for Air pods Angela
Indeed. £107m contracts handed without tender to donors is exactly the same as £249 for Air Pods.
Paterson has paid with his job, Rayner tries to take the moral high while having been found out herself
Can you not see the hypocrisy
I don't like Rayner, but no, I can't.
Rayner's actions were not the frugal, careful with the taxpayers behaviour that I'd prefer to see, but it doesn't compare to selling yourself as an MP to the highest bidder.
I see that Big_G's outrage at the behaviour of Paterson didn't last long, and he's now moved on to consoling himself with imagining that Labour are just as bad. That sort of false equivalence is one of the things that allows corruption to flourish.
Yeah - they're all Pretty Straight Guys at Labour.
If you refuse to distinguish between bad and worse then you let the worse off the hook, and you can make a distinction without excusing the bad.
Just how worst was Blair when he accepted a 1M quid donation from Bernie?
IIRC that was to the party, not personally. But I agree a very bad look.
and he gave the money back.
Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
I don’t recall many defending his behaviour at the time. It was pretty disgusting, and it was likely only public opinion that made him return the cash. How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
It doesn't justify the Paterson case.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
Because he was PM, yes. Thank goodness No10 is above that kind of behaviour now.
All it took from Blair was a smirk at the camera while saying that he was a "Pretty Straight Guy"
cf.
Blanket media coverage of BoJo
I don't think your final statement is true at all. Johnson is quite often protected by his fellow media colleagues. See the substituting of 2016 footage for Johnson's 2019 Cenotaph gaffe, amongst others.
The problem appears to be Johnson is pulling strokes on a daily basis, some trivial, some, more serious, and some, like Wednesday/Thursday absolutely outrageous.
BoJo should probably just do an interview with the beeb and say "we're pretty straight guys"
Worked immensely well for Blair.
Sunak sounds like Blair. It might work if Sunak spells it out. Johnson, not so much, infact, not at all.
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Admittedly only after he had given Ecclestone the deal he wanted on tobacco advertising.
More swinging and missing than in a golf lesson for beginners at the moment.
Saying it was only £249 instead of millions is really like saying it was only 1 murder instead of 50. Someone who murders 1 is just as much a murderer as someone who murders 50. Someone who steals from the taxpayer to the tune (or the itune) of £249 is just as much a crook as someone who does it for millions.
(Fair play, they’re playing straight).
But they are going to knock SA out.
How any of that justifies current day corruption is frankly beyond me.
Perhaps is just a way for the Big G tendency to continue voting for Boris while expressing contempt for him.
Watch: President Biden celebrated the House passage of a $1 trillion bill to repair and modernize the nation’s aging infrastructure, a key legislative goal. https://nyti.ms/3BSqGJ4
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1457030059890548744?s=20
Very entertaining.
I'm just saying that Blair's corruption was much, much worse than Paterson's
But just one last one for the road on the Magnificent Muscly Man aka Perfidious Posh -
I heard Lou Macari on the radio this morning talking about his work with the homeless. What an admirable bloke he seemed, and I bet is. What particularly struck me, with BoJo's antics again in the spotlight, was we were listening to a 'person' with no trace of an intervening 'persona'. Eg, and cf Macari, you see clips of Jimmy Savile talk about his charity work and it's 100% persona, ie act, which causes the person to be hidden. A strong and constant 'persona' like that, which isn't the same thing as 'personality', doesn't have to be hiding something sinister, as with Savile, but such people make me uneasy. If you can develop one of these 'persona' things it helps you to amuse and entertain, and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s why stage comics often have them, also certain posters on PB, but it also allows you to conceal, fool, deflect, distract, and to barefaced lie on matters large and small without compunction. Back to Johnson, this is imo the essence of our problem. We've elected a persona not a person as PM. It’s the first time we’ve done this and I really hope it’s the last.
There, that's well and truly said now. I can relax and kick back.
Edit to add 😀
I know they are not comparable.
Thank goodness No10 is above that kind of behaviour now.
Instead they should go in heavily on the government's arrogance, framing it repeatedly with the line that 'they don't think the rules apply to them'. It's a charge which will stick much more effectively than accusing the government of outright corruption.
cf.
Blanket media coverage of BoJo
Paying PM 1M GBP to change policy is not.
Which is very bad news for him and clearly rules him out probably of the winter tours as well as the rest of the T20WC
Public opinion is complicated. The fact headline voting intention figures don’t move much a couple of days after event X doesn’t make it unimportant. Look at leader ratings, perceptions of govt / opposition, look at several polls not just one, take the long view.
Or don’t....
Put another way. One event is unlikely to permanently change anything unless it’s a really really major event. More important is the drip drip drip of negativity vs the govt measured against the fact voters aren’t buying Labour as an alternative.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1457034346318151699?s=20
He managed to get his policy enacted by Tony, and didn’t have to pay a penny for it.
The problem appears to be Johnson is pulling strokes on a daily basis, some trivial, some, more serious, and some, like Wednesday/Thursday absolutely outrageous.
Worked immensely well for Blair.
Well, I said they wouldn't win.
Is it SA or Aus in the semi's ?
South Africa are the cricketing team I have a soft spot for.
Otherwise it's Scotland and England all the way!
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/
I hour left to correct it
Look at his pinned tweet