However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering invoking Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
Another 1-pointer - are the polling firms conspiring to troll CHB? But I think he'll get there before Dec 31. Note that Smarmer is now virtually tied with Johnson on best PM and positive approval, while Johnson has massively more "disapproves" at 50%.
I actually think a lot depends on covid and if we are really seeing the numbers fall greatly, and we enjoy a good Christmas the feel good factor may come into play
I assume next week will be all about COP26 and no doubt Boris will feature very much in the media as he closes the conference
The question for labour is just when they may achieve a poll lead and will it be sustained
I am very glad I do not bet as I have no idea how GE 24 will work out but anymore misjudgement like this week's from Boris he may not even be fighting it
He has angered a large part of his party and the interesting thing to watch over the next few months is if he can repair the self inflicted damage
Th big question is what happens when the NI rise hits people's payslips; if Labour don't get a chunky lead then, they really are in trouble.
Meanwhile- a question for Swingback Theorists. Suppose the breakpoint for the next election is C+3. More than that, Conservative majority, less than that Labour-led Coalition of Chaos. Where do Labour need to get to so they can comfortably hope to fall back to that?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
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Without those Republicans backing it it would not have passed, 6 leftwing Democrats voted against and the Democrats have a majority of 8
What is it with looney Republicans preferring collapsing infrastructure that makes the stone age look modern...
Interesting how many of the GOP votes for the infrastructure are from the north-east and mid west.
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However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
So the only way to prise you loose from the Tories would be for them to make Sajid Javid leader?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering invoking Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
Another 1-pointer - are the polling firms conspiring to troll CHB? But I think he'll get there before Dec 31. Note that Smarmer is now virtually tied with Johnson on best PM and positive approval, while Johnson has massively more "disapproves" at 50%.
I actually think a lot depends on covid and if we are really seeing the numbers fall greatly, and we enjoy a good Christmas the feel good factor may come into play
I assume next week will be all about COP26 and no doubt Boris will feature very much in the media as he closes the conference
The question for labour is just when they may achieve a poll lead and will it be sustained
I am very glad I do not bet as I have no idea how GE 24 will work out but anymore misjudgement like this week's from Boris he may not even be fighting it
He has angered a large part of his party and the interesting thing to watch over the next few months is if he can repair the self inflicted damage
Th big question is what happens when the NI rise hits people's payslips; if Labour don't get a chunky lead then, they really are in trouble.
Meanwhile- a question for Swingback Theorists. Suppose the breakpoint for the next election is C+3. More than that, Conservative majority, less than that Labour-led Coalition of Chaos. Where do Labour need to get to so they can comfortably hope to fall back to that?
At the same time the 6.6% NLW increase will appear in wage slips and 3.1% increase in pensions which do not attract the NI rise
The biggest problem HMG faces is inflation and whether the economy is bouncing back strongly with substantial other pay rises
I'm hoping for Eddie Howe. I think he's the right man for us.
If you think politics is "a rough trade" as someone once said, it's as nothing compared to football.
Farke presides over 20 matches without a win in the Premier League and keeps his job - he wins one and then is sacked.
It would be like winning an election as leader and then getting ousted - I can recall this happening in the 1981 GLC election when Andrew McIntosh, who led Labour to victory over Horace Cutler's Conservative was deposed as Labour leader 24 hours after the result by one Ken Livingstone.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering invoking Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
Another 1-pointer - are the polling firms conspiring to troll CHB? But I think he'll get there before Dec 31. Note that Smarmer is now virtually tied with Johnson on best PM and positive approval, while Johnson has massively more "disapproves" at 50%.
I actually think a lot depends on covid and if we are really seeing the numbers fall greatly, and we enjoy a good Christmas the feel good factor may come into play
I assume next week will be all about COP26 and no doubt Boris will feature very much in the media as he closes the conference
The question for labour is just when they may achieve a poll lead and will it be sustained
I am very glad I do not bet as I have no idea how GE 24 will work out but anymore misjudgement like this week's from Boris he may not even be fighting it
He has angered a large part of his party and the interesting thing to watch over the next few months is if he can repair the self inflicted damage
Th big question is what happens when the NI rise hits people's payslips; if Labour don't get a chunky lead then, they really are in trouble.
Meanwhile- a question for Swingback Theorists. Suppose the breakpoint for the next election is C+3. More than that, Conservative majority, less than that Labour-led Coalition of Chaos. Where do Labour need to get to so they can comfortably hope to fall back to that?
At the same time the 6.6% NLW increase will appear in wage slips and 3.1% increase in pensions which do not attract the NI rise
The biggest problem HMG faces is inflation and whether the economy is bouncing back strongly with substantial other pay rises
The NLW increase doesn't make a difference if you're already paid above NLW...
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
So the only way to prise you loose from the Tories would be for them to make Sajid Javid leader?
Javid has said he does not practise his Muslim faith, the only religion in his house is his wife's Christianity.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
You have no idea how Boris thinks spiritually nor anyone else
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
I'm hoping for Eddie Howe. I think he's the right man for us.
If you think politics is "a rough trade" as someone once said, it's as nothing compared to football.
Farke presides over 20 matches without a win in the Premier League and keeps his job - he wins one and then is sacked.
It would be like winning an election as leader and then getting ousted - I can recall this happening in the 1981 GLC election when Andrew McIntosh, who led Labour to victory over Horace Cutler's Conservative was deposed as Labour leader 24 hours after the result by one Ken Livingstone.
Stodge, we're on five points from 11 games. Be real.
It would be more like being sacked after cutting Labour's majority from 167 to 66.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
Having been accused of spreading falsehoods on the last thread, I'd like to find out how bad my falsehoods are.
Does anybody know how many gas power plants get turned off because it's windy?
How much gas has not been burnt because of the wind?
I only ever of hear wind's "achievements" as a percentage of total energy produced. Currently, with such pathetic energy storage capacity, this is an irrelevant figure if we're not able to rely on wind enough to switch off the gas power plants.
The only stat that matters, while we don't have the storage, is how much less gas do we burn on a very windy day.
As a relevant aside, I presume our biomass plants can't even theoretically be switched on and off like gas?
It's plain as night and day that we burn less gas when the wind blows.
You can see the variation in biomass too. Like coal it's slower to ramp up and ramp down than gas, but it is done.
It does look like there are about three months in the year when we actually burn less gas because of the wind.
That's better than I expected.
The wind we have at present is mostly replacing coal that we previously used, not gas. As we add more wind we will be able to reduce the amount of gas burnt.
From what I can work out from here the contribution from gas seems to be more affected by our overall energy usage than contribution from wind.
I'd love to see the stats on two identical days (of the week, same light, same temperature, same TV sort of stuff (ie no England football or similar), but a still day and a windy day.
How much more gas gets burnt on the still day?
Well yes, the contribution from gas is more affected by demand because demand varies by a greater absolute magnitude than wind.
Roughly speaking demand varies between 20-45 GW (though doubtless with less frequent excursions below and above those limits).
Broadly speaking wind generation varies from 1-12 GW (I'm trying to estimate 90% confidence intervals).
So the variation in demand is about twice the variation in wind supply.
Cool.
I'm not arguing against wind power in any way. I just think we should be prioritising storage over everything else green right now.
With sufficient efficient energy and electricity storage unreliable sources like wind and solar overcome the illusory part of their value.
I actually think a lot depends on covid and if we are really seeing the numbers fall greatly, and we enjoy a good Christmas the feel good factor may come into play
I assume next week will be all about COP26 and no doubt Boris will feature very much in the media as he closes the conference
The question for labour is just when they may achieve a poll lead and will it be sustained
I am very glad I do not bet as I have no idea how GE 24 will work out but anymore misjudgement like this week's from Boris he may not even be fighting it
He has angered a large part of his party and the interesting thing to watch over the next few months is if he can repair the self inflicted damage
The thing is once we get past the virus and back to normal life and politics, other more difficult questions will be asked such as how and who ends up paying for all this.
So much has been put "on hold" by the virus, I wouldn't assume the return to normal life and politics will be sunshine and roses for the governing party.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
LOL. He was being interviewed by a Christian Newspaper and he wants to get the votes of their readers and even then he says his faith wavers and of course Boris never lies. I think that evidence is about as worthless as it Is possible to get.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Cast your mind back to the last Downing Street zealot who converted to Catholism. That didn't work out so well in the end did it?
Watch: President Biden celebrated the House passage of a $1 trillion bill to repair and modernize the nation’s aging infrastructure, a key legislative goal. https://nyti.ms/3BSqGJ4
Without those Republicans backing it it would not have passed, 6 leftwing Democrats voted against and the Democrats have a majority of 8
What is it with looney Republicans preferring collapsing infrastructure that makes the stone age look modern...
Interesting how many of the GOP votes for the infrastructure are from the north-east and mid west.
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However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Cast your mind back to the last Downing Street zealot who converted to Catholism. That didn't work out so well in the end did it?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Cast your mind back to the last Downing Street zealot who converted to Catholism. That didn't work out so well in the end did it?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering invoking Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
Another 1-pointer - are the polling firms conspiring to troll CHB? But I think he'll get there before Dec 31. Note that Smarmer is now virtually tied with Johnson on best PM and positive approval, while Johnson has massively more "disapproves" at 50%.
I actually think a lot depends on covid and if we are really seeing the numbers fall greatly, and we enjoy a good Christmas the feel good factor may come into play
I assume next week will be all about COP26 and no doubt Boris will feature very much in the media as he closes the conference
The question for labour is just when they may achieve a poll lead and will it be sustained
I am very glad I do not bet as I have no idea how GE 24 will work out but anymore misjudgement like this week's from Boris he may not even be fighting it
He has angered a large part of his party and the interesting thing to watch over the next few months is if he can repair the self inflicted damage
Th big question is what happens when the NI rise hits people's payslips; if Labour don't get a chunky lead then, they really are in trouble.
Meanwhile- a question for Swingback Theorists. Suppose the breakpoint for the next election is C+3. More than that, Conservative majority, less than that Labour-led Coalition of Chaos. Where do Labour need to get to so they can comfortably hope to fall back to that?
At the same time the 6.6% NLW increase will appear in wage slips and 3.1% increase in pensions which do not attract the NI rise
The biggest problem HMG faces is inflation and whether the economy is bouncing back strongly with substantial other pay rises
The NLW increase doesn't make a difference if you're already paid above NLW...
Yes but most people receive annual salary increases
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
Ah, so you don’t believe in God either.
Leon could be classed as sometimes Christian, sometimes agnostic.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
God moves in mysterious ways.
To the true believer, Boris Johnson and You Know Who are Millennium III King Davids - imperfect vessels yet inspired by the Lord.
I though the evangelical line on Trump is that he’s a Cyrus analogue. Personally, I think him closer to the antichrist.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Cast your mind back to the last Downing Street zealot who converted to Catholism. That didn't work out so well in the end did it?
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However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Cast your mind back to the last Downing Street zealot who converted to Catholism. That didn't work out so well in the end did it?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering invoking Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
Another 1-pointer - are the polling firms conspiring to troll CHB? But I think he'll get there before Dec 31. Note that Smarmer is now virtually tied with Johnson on best PM and positive approval, while Johnson has massively more "disapproves" at 50%.
I actually think a lot depends on covid and if we are really seeing the numbers fall greatly, and we enjoy a good Christmas the feel good factor may come into play
I assume next week will be all about COP26 and no doubt Boris will feature very much in the media as he closes the conference
The question for labour is just when they may achieve a poll lead and will it be sustained
I am very glad I do not bet as I have no idea how GE 24 will work out but anymore misjudgement like this week's from Boris he may not even be fighting it
He has angered a large part of his party and the interesting thing to watch over the next few months is if he can repair the self inflicted damage
Th big question is what happens when the NI rise hits people's payslips; if Labour don't get a chunky lead then, they really are in trouble.
Meanwhile- a question for Swingback Theorists. Suppose the breakpoint for the next election is C+3. More than that, Conservative majority, less than that Labour-led Coalition of Chaos. Where do Labour need to get to so they can comfortably hope to fall back to that?
At the same time the 6.6% NLW increase will appear in wage slips and 3.1% increase in pensions which do not attract the NI rise
The biggest problem HMG faces is inflation and whether the economy is bouncing back strongly with substantial other pay rises
The NLW increase doesn't make a difference if you're already paid above NLW...
Yes but most people receive annual salary increases
Around 7 million people who are eligible for the booster have not had it yet.
A combination of poor organisation and people not coming forward.
While it looks like the organisation has now improved, the government needs a concerted campaign to get people jabbed.
Also, let's not forget the millions who haven't even had their first dose. Perhaps some micro-targetting is required to persuade them. Either that or vaccine passports to exclude them from a social existence and the workplace. Or blowpipes.
Some chaps in black and white striped Land-Rovers with rifles loaded with hypodermic bullets? Excellent idea.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
Agreed, though we did see the High Priest of confirmed atheists, Richard Dawkins, coming back from Sunday lunch last week
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm amazed anyone in this day and age believes in God.
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
Arguably it is the only sensible belief either way.
I am always slightly unnerved by people who claim they never doubt or question their religious beliefs. It makes me think secretly they don't believe in God but are too frightened to admit it even to themselves.
Me, I question everything, all the time. But in doing so I always find I am content in my Christianity.
Having been accused of spreading falsehoods on the last thread, I'd like to find out how bad my falsehoods are.
Does anybody know how many gas power plants get turned off because it's windy?
How much gas has not been burnt because of the wind?
I only ever of hear wind's "achievements" as a percentage of total energy produced. Currently, with such pathetic energy storage capacity, this is an irrelevant figure if we're not able to rely on wind enough to switch off the gas power plants.
The only stat that matters, while we don't have the storage, is how much less gas do we burn on a very windy day.
As a relevant aside, I presume our biomass plants can't even theoretically be switched on and off like gas?
It's plain as night and day that we burn less gas when the wind blows.
You can see the variation in biomass too. Like coal it's slower to ramp up and ramp down than gas, but it is done.
It does look like there are about three months in the year when we actually burn less gas because of the wind.
That's better than I expected.
The wind we have at present is mostly replacing coal that we previously used, not gas. As we add more wind we will be able to reduce the amount of gas burnt.
Remember that the CCGTs receive Capacity Payments for not generating on windy days. As do the OCGTs and diesel gen sets all year round for doing nothing.
The more renewables we have, the more we have to pay plants to sit there, with the operators sat around watching Netflix.
At the moment the UK grid can almost always use all the wind energy that is generated, but as we add more capacity that will cease to be the case and then the excess can be stored. As we generate more excess wind electricity we will store more to be used when the wind isn't blowing, or demand is higher.
In any case, rcs has said before that the capital cost for CCGT plant is relatively low, so we still save a lot of money on not burning the gas even if we have a period where the gas plant is sitting around to be used for an average of a week each year.
I'm hoping for Eddie Howe. I think he's the right man for us.
Good choice.
As I mentioned earlier Mad Mick, Big Sam and Stevie B. are all available. OGS could be an outside bet.
If we appoint Mick I will throw up.
Big Sam I do not like either. Steve Bruce would be unlikely, but I don't hate it.
I expect it to be Howe or someone from outside the top leagues, perhaps German again.
Who do you support? Howe is going to Newcastle.
Howe hasn't signed... yet...
The timing of Farke's departure suggests the Board already have their man (well - a woman would certainly be a shock).
Don't necessarily expect to know them. I don't think we should get on the PL merry-go-round and McCarthy turned Ipswich from a PL contender to a relegation contender. Webber's influence probably means someone he feels he can work with.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
The radio analogy strikes me as an entirely normal attitude. Most people aren't unwavering in their faith (or atheism).
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm amazed anyone in this day and age believes in God.
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
Most of the global population are still Christian or Muslim and believe in God, let alone other religions too
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm amazed anyone in this day and age believes in God.
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
That's a really stunning example of misunderstanding a metaphor.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
Barring some incredible and hideous new variant, Britain has beaten this fucking bug, Deus Vult and calloo callay
Every time someone says something like this it bites them, or us, on the arse.
A little more caution and circumspection required.
It looks as if it 'may' be heading in the right direction for now in this country but there's a long way still to go and winter is coming.
I know what you mean - I have said it myself, indeed I made it a Rule of Covid, early on - but can't we be allowed one Saturday night of hope? It is a calm clear mild autumn evening. Camden is rocking with people, maskless and happy, drinking and eating, kissing and carousing
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
No, the Queen is still Head of the C of E, Boris merely her chief minister.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too.
I could just about vote for an agnostic but not a confirmed atheist
If you are willing to expand, why is that? People can be moral without faith, so it cant be that.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
Jane Merrick @janemerrick23 · 4h Quite a few people saying you can book today so it’s worth a try! 💉
Thanks for the heads-up.
Just booked for 4th December.
Excellent!
I was done this afternoon.
Just waiting now to see if there any side effects...
Fluids and paracetamol before bed.
I seem to be through the worst now, 36 h after my booster. Lingering tiredness, and a slight headache. I can honestly say that last night was my worst for many years.
In about 2 weeks time I'll have had two AZ shots and a Pfizer booster. 90% of Britons over 12 will have had at least one shot, with the double dosers heading for 80%. Millions more will have had boosters
We have an antiviral approved, and another amazing antiviral on the way. Almost every child in the country has either had the bug or dodged it completely. The reservoirs of vectors have run dry
Barring some incredible and hideous new variant, Britain has beaten this fucking bug, Deus Vult and calloo callay
And yet people are still demanding vaccine passports.
I was very pro vaccine passports, and I still believe they could be highly useful for encouraging the recalcitrant antivaxxers. Just 6 months of imposition to winkle them out
BUT there is now a lot of good news, so maybe we won't require them, and the libertarians can rest
"there is now a lot of good news"
Except in most of europe, which is looking like a lockdown emergency is looming.
Too many refusing to be vaxxed plus timing the opening too late in summer it looks like.
The news out of Ireland is conflicting. Cases have been rising for about a month, but after initially going up hospitalizations are now declining even though cases continue to increase. I presume that's a [booster] vaccination effect.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm amazed anyone in this day and age believes in God.
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
Most of the global population are still Christian or Muslim and believe in God, let alone other religions too
"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on affirming that something is real because the majority thinks so."
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
My confirmation name is Peter, btw.
I thought Catholicism was a club for middle class couples to get their kids into good schools?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
In the US that would be a much more common view. Only 60% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist for President, compared to 66% who would vote for a Muslim, 78% for a homosexual, 80% for an evangelical Christian, 93% for a woman or Jew, 94% for a Hispanic, 95% for a Catholic and 96% for a Black candidate.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
No, the Queen is still Head of the C of E, Boris merely her chief minister.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm amazed anyone in this day and age believes in God.
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
Most of the global population are still Christian or Muslim and believe in God, let alone other religions too
"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on affirming that something is real because the majority thinks so."
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief. How can you possible KNOW there is no design or intelligence behind the universe, or indeed the multiverse. You're a bipedal ape on one planet in one solar system amongst trillions of others. And YOU personally have worked it all out?
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
Do you feel the same way about astrology and tarot cards?
Jane Merrick @janemerrick23 · 4h Quite a few people saying you can book today so it’s worth a try! 💉
Thanks for the heads-up.
Just booked for 4th December.
Excellent!
I was done this afternoon.
Just waiting now to see if there any side effects...
Fluids and paracetamol before bed.
I seem to be through the worst now, 36 h after my booster. Lingering tiredness, and a slight headache. I can honestly say that last night was my worst for many years.
I haven't had much fun the last 48 hours either, although I am now improving somewhat.
If it isn't Covid - and I still think it isn't - this has been one nasty and weird cold.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
Not really. The PM's only official role was in appointing Bishops - which was always dubious (see YPM) and got effectively removed by Blair IIRC.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
My confirmation name is Peter, btw.
Boris has confirmed he has faith, he has never said he is a confirmed atheist unlike you
I'm hoping for Eddie Howe. I think he's the right man for us.
Good choice.
As I mentioned earlier Mad Mick, Big Sam and Stevie B. are all available. OGS could be an outside bet.
If we appoint Mick I will throw up.
Big Sam I do not like either. Steve Bruce would be unlikely, but I don't hate it.
I expect it to be Howe or someone from outside the top leagues, perhaps German again.
Who do you support? Howe is going to Newcastle.
Howe hasn't signed... yet...
The timing of Farke's departure suggests the Board already have their man (well - a woman would certainly be a shock).
Don't necessarily expect to know them. I don't think we should get on the PL merry-go-round and McCarthy turned Ipswich from a PL contender to a relegation contender. Webber's influence probably means someone he feels he can work with.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm amazed anyone in this day and age believes in God.
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
Most of the global population are still Christian or Muslim and believe in God, let alone other religions too
"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on affirming that something is real because the majority thinks so."
If someone says they have faith I'm not sure we can disprove it. Many a true believer might still be a poor adherent of the tenets of that faith. People are inconsistent.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
The radio analogy strikes me as an entirely normal attitude. Most people aren't unwavering in their faith (or atheism).
Indeed. Just as I find atheism a pretty dim position to take, I am also skeptical of people who are 100% believers all of the time. It is human to doubt, and to haver, and to wonder. Jesus doubted, did he not? That was his humanity speaking, not his divinity
Complete and total believers are the type that become suicide bombers, given the right unfortunate circumstances
Having been accused of spreading falsehoods on the last thread, I'd like to find out how bad my falsehoods are.
Does anybody know how many gas power plants get turned off because it's windy?
How much gas has not been burnt because of the wind?
I only ever of hear wind's "achievements" as a percentage of total energy produced. Currently, with such pathetic energy storage capacity, this is an irrelevant figure if we're not able to rely on wind enough to switch off the gas power plants.
The only stat that matters, while we don't have the storage, is how much less gas do we burn on a very windy day.
As a relevant aside, I presume our biomass plants can't even theoretically be switched on and off like gas?
It's plain as night and day that we burn less gas when the wind blows.
You can see the variation in biomass too. Like coal it's slower to ramp up and ramp down than gas, but it is done.
It does look like there are about three months in the year when we actually burn less gas because of the wind.
That's better than I expected.
The wind we have at present is mostly replacing coal that we previously used, not gas. As we add more wind we will be able to reduce the amount of gas burnt.
From what I can work out from here the contribution from gas seems to be more affected by our overall energy usage than contribution from wind.
I'd love to see the stats on two identical days (of the week, same light, same temperature, same TV sort of stuff (ie no England football or similar), but a still day and a windy day.
How much more gas gets burnt on the still day?
Well yes, the contribution from gas is more affected by demand because demand varies by a greater absolute magnitude than wind.
Roughly speaking demand varies between 20-45 GW (though doubtless with less frequent excursions below and above those limits).
Broadly speaking wind generation varies from 1-12 GW (I'm trying to estimate 90% confidence intervals).
So the variation in demand is about twice the variation in wind supply.
All of this is to assume the system isn’t quite rapidly changing. We’ve only just started in building both the capacity and the grids required. It’s a bit absurd to judge the project on current statistics.
Five years ago posters were ridiculing the idea we might get to where we are now.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
Why is being Anglican so important to you? I realise you are, but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Someone can't be a Tory unless they think the Queen is God's Anglican representative on earth remember
... which rules out Boris
When has Boris ever said he does not think the monarch should be Head of the Church of England?
Jesus Christ is the Head of any Christian church
Not on earth. The Pope is head of the Roman Catholic church on earth, the UK Monarch the head of the Church of England on earth, God and Jesus Christ are more like the Spiritual Heads
I'm hoping for Eddie Howe. I think he's the right man for us.
Good choice.
As I mentioned earlier Mad Mick, Big Sam and Stevie B. are all available. OGS could be an outside bet.
If we appoint Mick I will throw up.
Big Sam I do not like either. Steve Bruce would be unlikely, but I don't hate it.
I expect it to be Howe or someone from outside the top leagues, perhaps German again.
Who do you support? Howe is going to Newcastle.
Howe hasn't signed... yet...
The timing of Farke's departure suggests the Board already have their man (well - a woman would certainly be a shock).
Don't necessarily expect to know them. I don't think we should get on the PL merry-go-round and McCarthy turned Ipswich from a PL contender to a relegation contender. Webber's influence probably means someone he feels he can work with.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
My confirmation name is Peter, btw.
Boris has confirmed he has faith, he has never said he is a confirmed atheist unlike you
"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice: That alone should encourage the crew. Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true."
Having been accused of spreading falsehoods on the last thread, I'd like to find out how bad my falsehoods are.
Does anybody know how many gas power plants get turned off because it's windy?
How much gas has not been burnt because of the wind?
I only ever of hear wind's "achievements" as a percentage of total energy produced. Currently, with such pathetic energy storage capacity, this is an irrelevant figure if we're not able to rely on wind enough to switch off the gas power plants.
The only stat that matters, while we don't have the storage, is how much less gas do we burn on a very windy day.
As a relevant aside, I presume our biomass plants can't even theoretically be switched on and off like gas?
It's plain as night and day that we burn less gas when the wind blows.
You can see the variation in biomass too. Like coal it's slower to ramp up and ramp down than gas, but it is done.
It does look like there are about three months in the year when we actually burn less gas because of the wind.
That's better than I expected.
The wind we have at present is mostly replacing coal that we previously used, not gas. As we add more wind we will be able to reduce the amount of gas burnt.
Remember that the CCGTs receive Capacity Payments for not generating on windy days. As do the OCGTs and diesel gen sets all year round for doing nothing.
The more renewables we have, the more we have to pay plants to sit there, with the operators sat around watching Netflix.
Whilst these turbines are "sitting around" not doing anything on windy days, they are saving on the cost of gas and the lack of CO2 going into the atmosphere. Until we solve the problem about energy storage in vast amounts and further exploitation of present and new renewables we will always have to have back-up generators, which has a cost when not being used.
Instead of spending the money on wind and solar, carbon capture could have been fitted across the CCGT fleet to provide power that is both low carbon and despatchable.
Studies have shown that the more renewables are installed, the higher the cost of providing a fully functioning low carbon power supply. More and more back up generation receiving capacity payments.
I'm hoping for Eddie Howe. I think he's the right man for us.
Good choice.
As I mentioned earlier Mad Mick, Big Sam and Stevie B. are all available. OGS could be an outside bet.
If we appoint Mick I will throw up.
Big Sam I do not like either. Steve Bruce would be unlikely, but I don't hate it.
I expect it to be Howe or someone from outside the top leagues, perhaps German again.
Who do you support? Howe is going to Newcastle.
Howe hasn't signed... yet...
The timing of Farke's departure suggests the Board already have their man (well - a woman would certainly be a shock).
Don't necessarily expect to know them. I don't think we should get on the PL merry-go-round and McCarthy turned Ipswich from a PL contender to a relegation contender. Webber's influence probably means someone he feels he can work with.
Why would he go to Norwich? Newcastle are a huge club with unlimited resources - and he was spotted with the chairwoman at the game today.
Barring some incredible and hideous new variant, Britain has beaten this fucking bug, Deus Vult and calloo callay
Every time someone says something like this it bites them, or us, on the arse.
A little more caution and circumspection required.
It looks as if it 'may' be heading in the right direction for now in this country but there's a long way still to go and winter is coming.
I know what you mean - I have said it myself, indeed I made it a Rule of Covid, early on - but can't we be allowed one Saturday night of hope? It is a calm clear mild autumn evening. Camden is rocking with people, maskless and happy, drinking and eating, kissing and carousing
It feels like life is truly returning. Ins'allah
The government has done a good job of holding its nerve since the three-week delay in the summer, and has been rewarded. Fingers crossed they can continue to stand up to the doommongering chorus.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
You do know a person faith is between them and their God, not some pigeon hole you put them in
I always remember the late Dave Allen concluded his shows with
'May your God go with you'
Wise words
Personally I would find it very hard to vote for an atheist for PM but that is my personal view too
Why am I not the least bit surprised
I would find it hard to vote for an avowed atheist, as well. Not because I emotionally or religiously abhor atheists, just because it is a stupid belief.
I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous comment.
A-theism means non-theistic (the a in front of Greek words meaning that which it is not). To be non theistic is an entirely consistent, intellectual, position to hold from a whole variety of perspectives. There are moral atheists, those who argue from a theodicy perspective that 'God' qua 'God' ceases to exist in the face of evil. The Brothers Karamazov contains a famous exchange on this point. But it also includes those whose hermeneutic is scientific and who would argue that it is not 'belief' at all, let alone 'stupid'. From an empirical perspective it is entirely consistent not to believe in a supreme God.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
Why is being Anglican so important to you? I realise you are, but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Someone can't be a Tory unless they think the Queen is God's Anglican representative on earth remember
... which rules out Boris
When has Boris ever said he does not think the monarch should be Head of the Church of England?
Jesus Christ is the Head of any Christian church
Not on earth. The Pope is head of the Roman Catholic church on earth, the UK Monarch the head of the Church of England on earth, God and Jesus Christ are more like the Spiritual Heads
Where does the Moderator of the General Assembly fit in?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
Not really. The PM's only official role was in appointing Bishops - which was always dubious (see YPM) and got effectively removed by Blair IIRC.
Even so, the formal position exists for HMtQ who is only a figurehead for Mr J. And with bishops of the C of E in the HoL the C of E is hopelessly compromised by the Erastian principles of the Henrician settlement.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Where he got married is irrelevant. He doesn’t believe in god!
Boris has made the radio-in-the-Chilterns analogy several times, and been quoted on it by David Cameron, amongst others (who said "my faith is the same"). It is an excellent comparison. I know exactly what he means
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
The radio analogy strikes me as an entirely normal attitude. Most people aren't unwavering in their faith (or atheism).
Indeed. Just as I find atheism a pretty dim position to take, I am also skeptical of people who are 100% believers all of the time. It is human to doubt, and to haver, and to wonder. Jesus doubted, did he not? That was his humanity speaking, not his divinity
Complete and total believers are the type that become suicide bombers, given the right unfortunate circumstances
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
Why is being Anglican so important to you? I realise you are, but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Someone can't be a Tory unless they think the Queen is God's Anglican representative on earth remember
... which rules out Boris
When has Boris ever said he does not think the monarch should be Head of the Church of England?
Jesus Christ is the Head of any Christian church
Not on earth. The Pope is head of the Roman Catholic church on earth, the UK Monarch the head of the Church of England on earth, God and Jesus Christ are more like the Spiritual Heads
Where does the Moderator of the General Assembly fit in?
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
No, the Queen is still Head of the C of E, Boris merely her chief minister.
I said de facto.
Not even de facto, Raab as Lord Chancellor now sends names of new Church of England bishops to the Queen
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
Do you never get the impression that he’s bullshitting you?
Not least because Mr J is now de facto i/c the C of E. Henry VIII would not approve.
Not really. The PM's only official role was in appointing Bishops - which was always dubious (see YPM) and got effectively removed by Blair IIRC.
Even so, the formal position exists for HMtQ who is only a figurehead for Mr J. And with bishops of the C of E in the HoL the C of E is hopelessly compromised by the Erastian principles of the Henrician settlement.
The Scottish settlement of course Knox that kind of thing out.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
Faith that comes and goes like an AM radio signal? I’m not sure you grasp the meaning of the word ‘faith’.
So not a confirmed atheist then.
A confirmed atheist must believe there is no God at all times. As I said at most Boris is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is not an atheist like Starmer is
If Bozo is really a Catholic he must have a season ticket for the confessional.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Neither Bozza nor Starmo believe in god - both men are avowed atheists in real life. Possibly the first time both the PM and the Loto have been godless.
Wrong, Boris is Roman Catholic, he was married at Westminster Cathedral and as Leon has stated has faith.
At most he is a Roman Catholic occasional agnostic, he is certainly not atheist like Starmer is
Just cos you get married in a church does not make you religious. I know many people who have done so just for the celebration of the event and who are atheist. Same re christenings.
Some may do, that is their business however as Leon has confirmed in the link he provided Boris is on record as saying he has faith and is therefore not a confirmed atheist.
I'm a confirmed Catholic. But definitely an atheist.
My confirmation name is Peter, btw.
I thought Catholicism was a club for middle class couples to get their kids into good schools?
Bizarrely so. When I was a kid it was the Irish immigrants and their descendants in the roughest schools around.
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
Why is being Anglican so important to you? I realise you are, but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Someone can't be a Tory unless they think the Queen is God's Anglican representative on earth remember
... which rules out Boris
When has Boris ever said he does not think the monarch should be Head of the Church of England?
Jesus Christ is the Head of any Christian church
Not on earth. The Pope is head of the Roman Catholic church on earth, the UK Monarch the head of the Church of England on earth, God and Jesus Christ are more like the Spiritual Heads
I am confirmed into the Church of England, was an altar server and assisted the Bishop of Durham at a confirmation service
I do not recognise anyone other than my spiritual God
However Boris could stay PM with DUP and NI Unionist support. Hence Boris and Frost are now considering Article 16 to appease Sir Jeffrey Donaldson as the DUP could again be Kingmakers as they were in 2017
Boris still narrowly preferred PM on 28% to 26% for Starmer
You’d think politicians who make a feature of their Protestant Christian faith would find supporting a serial liar and adulterer who was currently a Roman Catholic‘difficult’!
As long as he invokes Article 16 they will support him, Starmer is an atheist not a Protestant either, even if he respects faith (and Boris was C of E for a number of years).
Religious people? Hypocrites? Say it aint so!
No, simply this will be the first general election we have ever had in which neither of the main party leaders was Anglican or even Protestant.
Boris is Roman Catholic, Starmer is an atheist. Though I believe Davey is C of E, having been on record as stating he is Christian and occasionally attending his local Anglican church
Why is being Anglican so important to you? I realise you are, but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Someone can't be a Tory unless they think the Queen is God's Anglican representative on earth remember
... which rules out Boris
When has Boris ever said he does not think the monarch should be Head of the Church of England?
Jesus Christ is the Head of any Christian church
Not on earth. The Pope is head of the Roman Catholic church on earth, the UK Monarch the head of the Church of England on earth, God and Jesus Christ are more like the Spiritual Heads
Could you draw us a pyramid-like, labelled diagram so that we can all be absolutely clear about who goes where?
I'd quite like to know my place in the hierarchy; though I know I'm well down the pecking order.
Barring some incredible and hideous new variant, Britain has beaten this fucking bug, Deus Vult and calloo callay
Every time someone says something like this it bites them, or us, on the arse.
A little more caution and circumspection required.
It looks as if it 'may' be heading in the right direction for now in this country but there's a long way still to go and winter is coming.
I know what you mean - I have said it myself, indeed I made it a Rule of Covid, early on - but can't we be allowed one Saturday night of hope? It is a calm clear mild autumn evening. Camden is rocking with people, maskless and happy, drinking and eating, kissing and carousing
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Meanwhile- a question for Swingback Theorists. Suppose the breakpoint for the next election is C+3. More than that, Conservative majority, less than that Labour-led Coalition of Chaos. Where do Labour need to get to so they can comfortably hope to fall back to that?
Jeff Van Drew NJ
Chris Smith NJ
Don Bacon NE
Brian Fitzpatrick PA
Andrew Gabarino NY
Anthony Gonzalez OH
John Katko NY
Adam Kinzinger IL
Nicole Malliotakis NY
David McKinley WV
Tom Reed NY
Fred Upton MI
Don Young AK
None from the south or west.
Only a Socialist gets less support, with only 45% of Americans saying they could vote for a Socialist
https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx
The biggest problem HMG faces is inflation and whether the economy is bouncing back strongly with substantial other pay rises
Big Sam I do not like either. Steve Bruce would be unlikely, but I don't hate it.
I expect it to be Howe or someone from outside the top leagues, perhaps German again.
Farke presides over 20 matches without a win in the Premier League and keeps his job - he wins one and then is sacked.
It would be like winning an election as leader and then getting ousted - I can recall this happening in the 1981 GLC election when Andrew McIntosh, who led Labour to victory over Horace Cutler's Conservative was deposed as Labour leader 24 hours after the result by one Ken Livingstone.
A little more caution and circumspection required.
It looks as if it 'may' be heading in the right direction for now in this country but there's a long way still to go and winter is coming.
Javid has never said he is an atheist
https://muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/home-news/home-secretary-javid-hits-back-questioning-faith/
Unless of course you are now elevated to divinity
It would be more like being sacked after cutting Labour's majority from 167 to 66.
Which, of course, Howard was.
However, I am distressed to know that HYUFD wouldn't vote for me because I'm an atheist. There may be other reasons as well, I suppose.
So all that statistic proves is that what people say and what people do are two different things.
My faith comes and goes in strength, just like a radio station at the edge of its signal. Mine never entirely disappears but quite often it is reduced to a fuzz of static when all you can hear is every 20th word and the odd snatch of garbled music
At other times Mahler's 5th sings out, radiant and clear, and all is well with the world, and in heaven
I'd have Boris as a "sometimes lapsed believer". That is definitely not an "avowed atheist".
I'm not arguing against wind power in any way. I just think we should be prioritising storage over everything else green right now.
With sufficient efficient energy and electricity storage unreliable sources like wind and solar overcome the illusory part of their value.
So much has been put "on hold" by the virus, I wouldn't assume the return to normal life and politics will be sunshine and roses for the governing party.
Blair was also an Anglican in office
Atheism is daft. A kind of juvenile nihilism. It shows a weak mind at work
Skeptical agnosticism is the only sensible belief, if you have no personal faith at all
Certainly not confirmed atheist either
Personally, I think him closer to the antichrist.
edit: ach so!
However, to appeal to Mahler for your support really is pushing it. He was a very complex person, Jewish of course by ethnic background with a somewhat dubious conversion to Christianity and a whole heap of atheistic inspiration.
The more important issue is that just because his 5th or his 2nd or his Das Liede von der Erde makes your heart soar has bugger all to do with God. That's your projection.
If you're suggesting that the numinous you experience in the music is, as Rudolph Otto argued, and as Freidrich Schleiermacher and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a connection to the Divine then you must note that all religions generate that feeling but then so do many music concerts and even football matches.
This is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. For tonight, God is a DJ.
I am always slightly unnerved by people who claim they never doubt or question their religious beliefs. It makes me think secretly they don't believe in God but are too frightened to admit it even to themselves.
Me, I question everything, all the time. But in doing so I always find I am content in my Christianity.
In any case, rcs has said before that the capital cost for CCGT plant is relatively low, so we still save a lot of money on not burning the gas even if we have a period where the gas plant is sitting around to be used for an average of a week each year.
The timing of Farke's departure suggests the Board already have their man (well - a woman would certainly be a shock).
Don't necessarily expect to know them. I don't think we should get on the PL merry-go-round and McCarthy turned Ipswich from a PL contender to a relegation contender. Webber's influence probably means someone he feels he can work with.
It feels like life is truly returning. Ins'allah
My confirmation name is Peter, btw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on affirming that something is real because the majority thinks so."
Because I do. It's all bullshit.
If it isn't Covid - and I still think it isn't - this has been one nasty and weird cold.
My confirmation name is Peter, btw. Boris has confirmed he has faith, he has never said he is a confirmed atheist unlike you
Complete and total believers are the type that become suicide bombers, given the right unfortunate circumstances
We’ve only just started in building both the capacity and the grids required. It’s a bit absurd to judge the project on current statistics.
Five years ago posters were ridiculing the idea we might get to where we are now.
https://twitter.com/Alwaleed_Saudi/status/1457056705305513984
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."
Studies have shown that the more renewables are installed, the higher the cost of providing a fully functioning low carbon power supply. More and more back up generation receiving capacity payments.
A-theism means non-theistic (the a in front of Greek words meaning that which it is not). To be non theistic is an entirely consistent, intellectual, position to hold from a whole variety of perspectives. There are moral atheists, those who argue from a theodicy perspective that 'God' qua 'God' ceases to exist in the face of evil. The Brothers Karamazov contains a famous exchange on this point. But it also includes those whose hermeneutic is scientific and who would argue that it is not 'belief' at all, let alone 'stupid'. From an empirical perspective it is entirely consistent not to believe in a supreme God.
When I was a kid it was the Irish immigrants and their descendants in the roughest schools around.
I do not recognise anyone other than my spiritual God
I'd quite like to know my place in the hierarchy; though I know I'm well down the pecking order.