I'm not sure that he can - unless he really does want to torpedo the Treasury Bench by allowing a stack of UQs about the budget before Sunak is allowed to summarise the various media rounds in his actual speech.
Given that Hoyle is trying to hold the upper hand against the government I can't see this - the Budget Speech is one of the big set-piece parliamentary events. How he skewers government business after the speech is more likely the tactic he will use.
This is silly season stuff. If the Speaker denied a government with a huge majority from reading a finance bill he would be out on his arse for politicising the office of Speaker.
Indeed. So I expect he will bookend it with a broadside of criticism and then torpoedo passage of the Finance Bill by allowing as many disruptive back bench / opposition UQs etc as Erskine May allows.
By the book. In direct contrast to the Treasury Bench.
Oh give over. You sound like a stereotypical old person complaining about the kids music without realising every generation has done the same.
This happens every single year. The Treasury leaks like a sieve, the Speaker acts all indignant. Its been going on so long even the Leader of the House himself was once a backbencher who was famous for being indignant before he became Leader of the House.
Not every year. Forgive me if my memory is faulty but wasn't Dalton obliged to resign in 1947 for briefing the press about details of the forthcoming budget.
You may argue that there has been a slow but steady erosion of the precedent over the years but the acceleration towards briefing the media rather than MPs has been on steroids during the Johnson Government. Now this maybe Team Johnson briefing to undermine Team Sunak or vice versa. Whatever, it is bad form, parliament is sovereign (not the Daily Telegraph) and isn't that what we were told and sold during the EU Referendum?
Climate activists have stormed and are occupying the Science Museum in protest at them accepting sponsorship money from fossil fuel companies, or some other such guff.
No it is not. Traditionally the Shadow Chancellor leads for the Opposition in the budget debate over the next couple of days. Responding off the cuff today, without the benefit of poring over the red book, should be left to another. Yet another example of SKS getting the politics wrong.
And who pays attention to the debate of the next couple of days/
The initial response to the Budget is broadcast and what gets attention. If the Shadow Chancellor isn't up to the job then that's a real concern.
If either party believed that, then the convention would have been abandoned long ago. Here, Reeves should be saved till after the Labour boffins have pored over the red book for all the bad news Rishi strangely forgot to mention in the House.
Very good opportunity for Reeves today. Reminds me of the moment in Blair & Brown when Gordon stepped in to deliver the response when a junior shadow treasury spokesman.
Yup. Also, she has the advantage of not having to worry overnight about it, as it's just been dropped on her. Let's see how she goes.
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
No it is not. Traditionally the Shadow Chancellor leads for the Opposition in the budget debate over the next couple of days. Responding off the cuff today, without the benefit of poring over the red book, should be left to another. Yet another example of SKS getting the politics wrong.
Good opportunity for Rachel though. She's probably chuffed to get the gig.
Is Sir Keir really chickening out of doing the Budget response? Extraordinary if true. This is traditionally the most difficult set piece for the LotO. However, his reputation can be massively enhanced if done well. All very odd.
Climate activists have stormed and are occupying the Science Museum in protest at them accepting sponsorship money from fossil fuel companies, or some other such guff.
I would suspect still Conservatives most seats, but who will C and S with the Tories now? I would guess Labour need to be a handful of points ahead of the Conservatives before they are Labour most seats.
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
All those charities, Quango's and NGO's who are recipients of some of this money will be rubbing their hands in anticipation, while demanding it is pulled forward to next year.
Bridget Phillipson will be responding to the Budget speech
Who?
Frankly ridiculous not to have the Shadow Chancellor do it.
I just cannot understand where Rachel Reeves is
Starmer isolates, labour deputy Rayner and shadow COE Reeves missing, Miliband deputising at PMQS, and Phillipson who is a light weight responds to Rishi
This is the state of UKs official opposition
With Starmer testing positive, perhaps his closest colleagues are needing to isolate, at least until they have negative PCR back.
Seems Rachel is responding
You said you were keen on her earlier, but I didn't realise you were on first-name terms!
As I think I reported before I am part of a campaign that deals with most MPs. It has cross party support. MPs range from those that provide fantastic support to those who just ignore us. However Rachel Reeves and her office comes bottom by someway by the level of incompetence and disorganisation, far worse in fact than those who just ignore you as at least you know where you stand with them. To make matters worse at the time she was the shadow DWP secretary. Hopeless.
Is Sir Keir really chickening out of doing the Budget response? Extraordinary if true. This is traditionally the most difficult set piece for the LotO. However, his reputation can be massively enhanced if done well. All very odd.
Is Sir Keir really chickening out of doing the Budget response? Extraordinary if true. This is traditionally the most difficult set piece for the LotO. However, his reputation can be massively enhanced if done well. All very odd.
Hasn't he got Covid and hence is not even allowed to do it?
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
All those charities, Quango's and NGO's who are recipients of some of this money will be rubbing their hands in anticipation, while demanding it is pulled forward to next year.
Not a penny of taxes should routinely go to charities etc, except via Gift Aid.
Boris if you’re going to wear a mask, wear it properly, y’eejit
Why - they are merely theatre anyway. Look at Sunak spouting his stuff with no mask on. If it wasn't theatre they would be wearing masks when speaking not when sitting silent.
Is Sir Keir really chickening out of doing the Budget response? Extraordinary if true. This is traditionally the most difficult set piece for the LotO. However, his reputation can be massively enhanced if done well. All very odd.
Hasn't he got Covid and hence is not even allowed to do it?
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
All those charities, Quango's and NGO's who are recipients of some of this money will be rubbing their hands in anticipation, while demanding it is pulled forward to next year.
Not a penny of taxes should routinely go to charities etc, except via Gift Aid.
I agree but it does, and quite a lot of it too. In effect they become arms of the govt while, at the same time, campaigning and lobbying the govt to implement policies they want. Seems odd.
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
If I didn't know that they probably intend delivering only about 25% of this I could very much get behind this budget. Very New Labour in words, I doubt it will be in detail and practice over the next few months and years.
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
There is some merit in fixing spending as a % of GDP. Some defects too, but if you were to fix NHS and state pension spending to a set percentage of GDP then it would concentrate minds on (a) how best to use the resources available and (b) how to increase GDP so that more resources were created.
There's probably a better way to calculate how much we spend on international aid (perhaps relate it to how much our per capita GDP exceeds the median), but having it related to our ability to pay seems sensible.
LOL Sunak pointing at Opposition MPs as he names places getting Levelling Up funds, including ... Doncaster ... represented by one Ed Miliband who is doing the response to the Budget. 😂
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
All those charities, Quango's and NGO's who are recipients of some of this money will be rubbing their hands in anticipation, while demanding it is pulled forward to next year.
Not a penny of taxes should routinely go to charities etc, except via Gift Aid.
In which case, you will be glad to hear this;
(Also it actually confirms an additional year of aid cuts beyond what we'd previously been told).
(Though stop-start generally doesn't lead to good spending in "lives saved or improved per pound" terms, which is why medium term stability is a good thing in many areas.)
Bridget Phillipson will be responding to the Budget speech
Who?
Frankly ridiculous not to have the Shadow Chancellor do it.
I just cannot understand where Rachel Reeves is
Starmer isolates, labour deputy Rayner and shadow COE Reeves missing, Miliband deputising at PMQS, and Phillipson who is a light weight responds to Rishi
This is the state of UKs official opposition
With Starmer testing positive, perhaps his closest colleagues are needing to isolate, at least until they have negative PCR back.
No it is not. Traditionally the Shadow Chancellor leads for the Opposition in the budget debate over the next couple of days. Responding off the cuff today, without the benefit of poring over the red book, should be left to another. Yet another example of SKS getting the politics wrong.
And who pays attention to the debate of the next couple of days/
The initial response to the Budget is broadcast and what gets attention. If the Shadow Chancellor isn't up to the job then that's a real concern.
If either party believed that, then the convention would have been abandoned long ago. Here, Reeves should be saved till after the Labour boffins have pored over the red book for all the bad news Rishi strangely forgot to mention in the House.
If it wasn't Reeves, Starmer would've had to give the job to Rayner.
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
There is some merit in fixing spending as a % of GDP. Some defects too, but if you were to fix NHS and state pension spending to a set percentage of GDP then it would concentrate minds on (a) how best to use the resources available and (b) how to increase GDP so that more resources were created.
There's probably a better way to calculate how much we spend on international aid (perhaps relate it to how much our per capita GDP exceeds the median), but having it related to our ability to pay seems sensible.
If you do it over a cycle and say that spending not spent this year can be rolled over to next year's budget then yes I agree.
But if its "use it or lose it" on even worse "you must use it" on an annual basis then people just piss the money away to ensure they spent it rather than think on how best to use it.
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
If I didn't know that they probably intend delivering only about 25% of this I could very much get behind this budget. Very New Labour in words, I doubt it will be in detail and practice over the next few months and years.
It is pretty depressing really. SureStart basically closed by Osborne, now being restarted by Sunak. What a waste of time and energy stopping it originally and then starting again never mind the effect on families.
Bridget Phillipson will be responding to the Budget speech
Who?
Frankly ridiculous not to have the Shadow Chancellor do it.
I just cannot understand where Rachel Reeves is
Starmer isolates, labour deputy Rayner and shadow COE Reeves missing, Miliband deputising at PMQS, and Phillipson who is a light weight responds to Rishi
This is the state of UKs official opposition
With Starmer testing positive, perhaps his closest colleagues are needing to isolate, at least until they have negative PCR back.
Seems Rachel is responding
Big_G in chaos this afternoon.
Saying it as it is reported
Your opinions got ahead of the facts.
I quoted sources but never mind, you said you do not listen to the news
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
If I didn't know that they probably intend delivering only about 25% of this I could very much get behind this budget. Very New Labour in words, I doubt it will be in detail and practice over the next few months and years.
It is pretty depressing really. SureStart basically closed by Osborne, now being restarted by Sunak. What a waste of time and energy stopping it originally and then starting again never mind the effect on families.
Wouldn't have needed to be stopped if Brown hadn't pissed all the money away.
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
Yes but also a lot of records *since 2010* confirming Boris's running against Cameron and May and shooting Labour foxes. Note Rishi also recalled a number of Boris's campaign slogans.
ETA also forecast growth numbers tailed off into the future, after the bounce back.
LOL Sunak pointing at Opposition MPs as he names places getting Levelling Up funds, including ... Doncaster ... represented by one Ed Miliband who is doing the response to the Budget. 😂
Rachel is doing the response I think, not Ed. However, he also mentioned Leeds West I think!
Sunak announces £11.5 bilion for 180,000 new affordable homes
Define affordable, that's the key. And where are they going.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
Personally I think they should create many new villages across the country. Where I live no one wants any more housebuilding (there has been lots in the last 10 years). However, I can think of several good locations in the vicinity where new villages could be created.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
Seems like buying billion would have been a good bet?
There are always lots of billionses early up, in the macroeconomic announcements and high profile tax and spending policy announcements. They become noticeably thinner on the ground the longer the speech goes on.
LOL Sunak pointing at Opposition MPs as he names places getting Levelling Up funds, including ... Doncaster ... represented by one Ed Miliband who is doing the response to the Budget. 😂
Rachel is doing the response I think, not Ed. However, he also mentioned Leeds West I think!
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
Yes but also a lot of records *since 2010* confirming Boris's running against Cameron and May and shooting Labour foxes. Note Rishi also recalled a number of Boris's campaign slogans.
Quite so, remember a lot of Labour Leave voters who voted for Brown and Ed Miliband voted Tory for the first time in 2019 for Boris and most UKIP voters in 2015 voted Tory in 2017 and 2019.
Meanwhile a number of Conservative Remain voters who voted for Cameron in 2010 and 2015 voted for Labour in 2017 or the LDs in 2019.
So Boris has a different coalition to the one Cameron had
Sunak announces £11.5 bilion for 180,000 new affordable homes
Define affordable, that's the key. And where are they going.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
Personally I think they should create many new villages across the country. Where I live no one wants any more housebuilding (there has been lots in the last 10 years). However, I can think of several good locations in the vicinity where new villages could be created.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
I'm keener on allowing gradual growth in existing villages. I would like to see 1% a year.
Sunak announces £11.5 bilion for 180,000 new affordable homes
Define affordable, that's the key. And where are they going.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
Personally I think they should create many new villages across the country. Where I live no one wants any more housebuilding (there has been lots in the last 10 years). However, I can think of several good locations in the vicinity where new villages could be created.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
I'm keener on allowing gradual growth in existing villages. I would like to see 1% a year.
Far better than frozen-in-aspic policies.
1%/year would be fine. Many places have seen rates far higher than that though in recent years.
Sunak announces £11.5 bilion for 180,000 new affordable homes
Define affordable, that's the key. And where are they going.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
Personally I think they should create many new villages across the country. Where I live no one wants any more housebuilding (there has been lots in the last 10 years). However, I can think of several good locations in the vicinity where new villages could be created.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
More Poundburies, the Prince of Wales would be delighted
A strange mix of lecture on fiscal responsibility and spending more money on pretty much everything.
They will probably make much of the spending off book somehow to hit their fiscal responsibility numbers. Will be enough for most of the fiscal hawks as long as they can plausibly claim they are being responsible.
A strange mix of lecture on fiscal responsibility and spending more money on pretty much everything.
They will probably make much of the spending off book somehow to hit their fiscal responsibility numbers. Will be enough for most of the fiscal hawks as long as they can plausibly claim they are being responsible.
No, they've got higher GDP growth baked in compared to what the OBR is projecting. That will allow for continual reductions in the deficit while keeping spending going up.
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
If I didn't know that they probably intend delivering only about 25% of this I could very much get behind this budget. Very New Labour in words, I doubt it will be in detail and practice over the next few months and years.
It is pretty depressing really. SureStart basically closed by Osborne, now being restarted by Sunak. What a waste of time and energy stopping it originally and then starting again never mind the effect on families.
Why would they care about the effects on families? Sure start was one of the few good headline policies from Labour's 3rd term, needlessly scrapped by Osbrown and likely creating damage to families that cost more to fix than was saved.
Sunak announces £11.5 bilion for 180,000 new affordable homes
Define affordable, that's the key. And where are they going.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
Personally I think they should create many new villages across the country. Where I live no one wants any more housebuilding (there has been lots in the last 10 years). However, I can think of several good locations in the vicinity where new villages could be created.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
Heretic. Burn him!
Seriously - Compared to the modern attempts at planned communities... well, check out the prices.
For a reasonably modern version of this - checkout the story of Chiswick. Built exactly as you describe - services and facilities built, street paved. Then plots sold - often as one whole side of the street
Sienna Rodgers @siennamarla · 6m Angela Rayner couldn't do PMQs as she is still on bereavement leave.
Surely all words beyond "PMQs" were superfluous
Normally I'd be all for mocking Rayner, but it seems a bit unfair to make a jibe like that in this particular circumstance.
Why? She can't attend today as she's on bereavement leave - and that is sad for her and the family.
But she demonstrated aptly why she can't do PMQs and she will be unable to do PMQs even if she is available.
We shouldn't be weaponising hate against politicians. No more traitors, scum or death references. That isn't to say we have to always say nice things or ignore the really bad ones.
Sunak announces £11.5 bilion for 180,000 new affordable homes
Define affordable, that's the key. And where are they going.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
Personally I think they should create many new villages across the country. Where I live no one wants any more housebuilding (there has been lots in the last 10 years). However, I can think of several good locations in the vicinity where new villages could be created.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
I would be more in favour of one or two big garden cities. That would localise opposition, and make it easier to provide large-scale transport infrastructure. Also permit only architectual styles used in Poundbury, Prince Charles's town.
Boris if you’re going to wear a mask, wear it properly, y’eejit
Why - they are merely theatre anyway. Look at Sunak spouting his stuff with no mask on. If it wasn't theatre they would be wearing masks when speaking not when sitting silent.
All the masks on the Tory side, that fraternal atmosphere didn't last so long.
Boris if you’re going to wear a mask, wear it properly, y’eejit
Why - they are merely theatre anyway. Look at Sunak spouting his stuff with no mask on. If it wasn't theatre they would be wearing masks when speaking not when sitting silent.
All the masks on the Tory side, that fraternal atmosphere didn't last so long.
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You may argue that there has been a slow but steady erosion of the precedent over the years but the acceleration towards briefing the media rather than MPs has been on steroids during the Johnson Government. Now this maybe Team Johnson briefing to undermine Team Sunak or vice versa. Whatever, it is bad form, parliament is sovereign (not the Daily Telegraph) and isn't that what we were told and sold during the EU Referendum?
Don't agree with that at all. Spending as a percentage should have been abolished, we should spend because its the right thing to do not piss our taxes away in order to hit a spending target. 🤦♂️
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Student_Climate_Network
A deluge of statistics designed to be impossible to understand. And lots of multiyear totals.
And what sounds like a reinvention of Sure Start.
Cheap houses on Stoke and Burnley are not really needed.
There's probably a better way to calculate how much we spend on international aid (perhaps relate it to how much our per capita GDP exceeds the median), but having it related to our ability to pay seems sensible.
(Also it actually confirms an additional year of aid cuts beyond what we'd previously been told).
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1453328189338628104?s=20
(Though stop-start generally doesn't lead to good spending in "lives saved or improved per pound" terms, which is why medium term stability is a good thing in many areas.)
He made the right call.
But if its "use it or lose it" on even worse "you must use it" on an annual basis then people just piss the money away to ensure they spent it rather than think on how best to use it.
If HS2 is not mentioned, it may be a goner.
ETA also forecast growth numbers tailed off into the future, after the bounce back.
Site them near existing main roads and ideally railways. Build a primary school, community centre, local shop and park at the centre. Have a variety of house designs and sizes. Let people create their own new communities. I suspect it would be much more popular than just continuing to expand existing locations.
Meanwhile a number of Conservative Remain voters who voted for Cameron in 2010 and 2015 voted for Labour in 2017 or the LDs in 2019.
So Boris has a different coalition to the one Cameron had
Far better than frozen-in-aspic policies.
That means next year's spring statement will also have big reductions in borrowing baked in.
She's a terrible politician but I wish her nothing but the best in her recent loss.
Seriously - Compared to the modern attempts at planned communities... well, check out the prices.
For a reasonably modern version of this - checkout the story of Chiswick. Built exactly as you describe - services and facilities built, street paved. Then plots sold - often as one whole side of the street
But she demonstrated aptly why she can't do PMQs and she will be unable to do PMQs even if she is available.
We shouldn't be weaponising hate against politicians. No more traitors, scum or death references. That isn't to say we have to always say nice things or ignore the really bad ones.
Good for regional airlines and the environment
The last time I looked, our basic APD cost is double the next lowest on in Europe.
Big opportunity for LibDems one would have thought.
50% Business Rate cut should save my gym around 6k a year.
Are alkie duties fully devolved, or a mix?