Thanks - will probably leave it then although tempted to small stakes still just in case the terminology he uses is different - maybe its woke now to say Deputy Speaker etc in which case a small downside but big unlikely upside
Unless we have another recession that is likely to be even more wrong than most of the IMF forecasts. The UK will probably match 2019 GDP in Q4 of this year. There will be more modest growth next. What happens after that is a bit more uncertain. It will be interesting to see Rishi's forecasts today.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
Until the Irish Sea border is removed maybe not.
However on the new Comres Labour + SNP + LD + PC + SDLP + Greens + Alliance would still only come to 314 seats ie still less than the Conservatives on 320 on the new boundaries.
So as long as the DUP did not vote to make Starmer PM or SF did not take their seats to make Starmer PM, Boris could stay PM of a minority government but would need DUP support or at least abstention to pass every Bill through the Commons
One thing I have never quite understood is who benefits from budget leaks? the might get decent headlines for a few days running up to the budget but as both Brown and Osborne found the reality always came back to bite them the day after the budget.
OT Emma Raducanu cruelly throws the Romanian television interpreter onto the dole queue in this short post-victory interview yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4EyW_CA9AE
That and Chinese. She is a marketing dream.
What is remarkable about Emma Raducanu is she is already better than most politicians at deflecting "gotcha" questions, and always accentuates the positive. (ER for PM, you heard it here first!)
Because all this humongous spending has to be paid for, one way or another.
I'm waiting with trepidation, because I am hosting a budget reaction event this afternoon and a client seminar on Friday, and so far there is really not much of interest to talk about, good or bad, on taxes. Particularly for corporates. The whole thing seemingly being pre-announced makes the job of presenting something interesting rather harder too (whatever others imply, this is much more heavily pre-briefed than any budget in recent history).
There is reasonable good news on public finances since March which means Sunak does have some flexibility not to raise taxes significantly. Remember there have already been 2 big tax raising announcements this year already: the CT rate rise to 25% and the health & social care levy.
Expect less and less money to local government though. The instinct of this government since 2010 has repeatedly been to cut money to councils where possible. They were already running on vapour and will soon be on their knees. That plus general neglect of the education budget is not good news if you are a LA trying to run primary schools while keeping the bin collections and road repairs going.
Most public services are showing strain in one way or another. The trouble with the kind of soft eco-socialism that this government practices is that you pretty quickly run out of other people's money. You hit the economy with high taxes and eco-regulations and spend like a drunken sailor and then are surprised when the "green jobs" you promise never appear and the productive sector shrinks.
My biggest worry is that with ever more centralisation of power and spending - and this is something that's been going on since at least the 1980s - we get one size fits all policy which ends up at the whim of national politicians and either completely overlooks local needs, or lends itself to pork barrel spending in marginal constituencies. Then we get this uneven growth in devolved administrations with wildly different degrees of autonomy and influence, most of which have very little impact on the local things that really matter like schooling, infrastructure, housing and social services.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
The protestors who have glued themselves to the road should be pulled off and if they need a skin graft that's self-inflicted.
Please see my comments yesterday on what we should do to anti vaxxers going into school. Sometimes you have to take a deep breath before punching them.
I am pretty liberal on most forms of peaceful protest but think schools should be one place that is off limits. On key infrastructure like motorways I am undecided, possibly a time limit of an hour for a protest in those scenarios if that could be made to work.
Peaceful protest is not legal. It is not legal to block the highway. Why should their protest disrupt ordinary working people going about their daily lives.
Still they are making complete fools of the party of law and order.
On the other hand, media and politicians are talking about Britain's woeful levels of insulation now. So they've achieved their aim.
Same could be said of a number of highly irritating disruptions held by political movements or interest groups. Take the late Bob Crow: regularly infuriated the hell out of already long suffering commuters, but certainly got a fantastic series of deals for tube drivers as a result.
Yes, I was saying exactly this yesterday. IB are deeply annoying but undeniably effective. Bob Crow is a great analogy: as you imply, he was a celebrity villain for most Londoners (in the days before WFH was really a thing) yet was incredibly effective in getting pay increases for his members. Probably the standout trade-unionist of his era.
The protestors who have glued themselves to the road should be pulled off and if they need a skin graft that's self-inflicted.
Please see my comments yesterday on what we should do to anti vaxxers going into school. Sometimes you have to take a deep breath before punching them.
I am pretty liberal on most forms of peaceful protest but think schools should be one place that is off limits. On key infrastructure like motorways I am undecided, possibly a time limit of an hour for a protest in those scenarios if that could be made to work.
Peaceful protest is not legal. It is not legal to block the highway. Why should their protest disrupt ordinary working people going about their daily lives.
Still they are making complete fools of the party of law and order.
On the other hand, media and politicians are talking about Britain's woeful levels of insulation now. So they've achieved their aim.
Same could be said of a number of highly irritating disruptions held by political movements or interest groups. Take the late Bob Crow: regularly infuriated the hell out of already long suffering commuters, but certainly got a fantastic series of deals for tube drivers as a result.
and bizarrely a huge fan of cricket.
And - rather less bizarrely - a Millwall season ticket holder!
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
This may surprise you, but I agree with you.
The DUP are mercurial, they'll go for it. In a rainbow alliance of everyone but the Tories there'd be too many voices for them to be heard. In a Tory+DUP agreement they'll be able to name their price.
The Protocol won't be a deal-breaker. If its not already been resolved by then (and I expect it will be) they'll just demand Article 16 is invoke and it will be. That will be their price.
Thanks - will probably leave it then although tempted to small stakes still just in case the terminology he uses is different - maybe its woke now to say Deputy Speaker etc in which case a small downside but big unlikely upside
Or Eleanor Laing now identifies as male and has lumped on the sell side of the bet.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
Under FPTP the DUP would likely win back most voteshare it has leaked to the TUV under PR at Stormont, especially as Sir Jeffrey is likely to take the DUP out of the Stormont executive unless and until the Irish Sea border is removed which should stem leakage to TUV.
Otherwise in any case most of its remaining seats would likely go TUV not Alliance, while of course the UUP only need a tiny swing to gain Fermanagh and South Tyrone from Sinn Fein
The protestors who have glued themselves to the road should be pulled off and if they need a skin graft that's self-inflicted.
Please see my comments yesterday on what we should do to anti vaxxers going into school. Sometimes you have to take a deep breath before punching them.
I am pretty liberal on most forms of peaceful protest but think schools should be one place that is off limits. On key infrastructure like motorways I am undecided, possibly a time limit of an hour for a protest in those scenarios if that could be made to work.
Peaceful protest is not legal. It is not legal to block the highway. Why should their protest disrupt ordinary working people going about their daily lives.
Still they are making complete fools of the party of law and order.
On the other hand, media and politicians are talking about Britain's woeful levels of insulation now. So they've achieved their aim.
Same could be said of a number of highly irritating disruptions held by political movements or interest groups. Take the late Bob Crow: regularly infuriated the hell out of already long suffering commuters, but certainly got a fantastic series of deals for tube drivers as a result.
Yes, I was saying exactly this yesterday. IB are deeply annoying but undeniably effective. Bob Crow is a great analogy: as you imply, he was a celebrity villain for most Londoners (in the days before WFH was really a thing) yet was incredibly effective in getting pay increases for his members. Probably the standout trade-unionist of his era.
yes he did what it said on the tin with regards his job . Had many advantages of course to do it but he did it
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Tories lead in seats (300-268) despite being behind on votes. SNP are kingmakers, just about, though a few Labour backbenchers not happy about being beholden to Sturgeon would be enough to scupper it.
Sunak is another Dave Cameron. Very well presented, not much there. Hopefully, if he does get the top job he will not do as much damage as Cameron did.
Don't agree about Cameron. I think he was a good PM and the Coalition government in particular was one of our better governments who eased us out of a very difficult situation with surprisingly little pain. As for Sunak he is clearly very bright. My slight concern is that his meteoric rise has given him very little experience of governing or politics outside his comfort zone of finance. I'd like to see him spread his wings a bit but his boss probably wouldn't.
I am not so sure history will be as kind as you are! Cameron's legacy is what we are living through now: a deeply divided country that is poorer than it should be, less relevant internationally and whose citizens have lost an unprecedented amount of freedom, with more on the way. Mistaking well-spoken verbal fluency for intelligence is the perennial British problem.
Well quite, Camerons time as PM ended in an abject failure, That is demonstrably obvious. Unlike other PMs he was not a victim of ‘events’, he carefully crafted the conditions of his own failure. He played with fire for short term political expediency and destroyed himself. History will judge him a tragic figure and one of our worst PMs.
His time as PM ended up as such an "abject failure" that having been behind in almost every poll in the 2010-15 Parliament, and having surprisingly won quite a narrow majority in 2015 . . . he managed to set his party up for another two General Elections and still be strong favourites for the next election too.
He exorcised the issue that has bedevilled the country and the Party for generations. Real generations, not Scottish ones.
EDIT: Its funny how your post is getting plenty of "likes" from people who probably don't want and don't vote for a series of Conservative governments that are Cameron's legacy.
Cameron hasn’t exorcised anything, We’re more divided than before, The difference is your preferred side is in the ascendancy, which leads you to the conclusion job done. Our relationship with Europe will always be an issue. It always has been , long before the EU.
But either way, Cameron failed. It was not his objective to lose the referendum, see his policy collapse and hand over to May. If you watch the Cameron documentary you see his hubris played an almighty part in his downfall. As I say, he’s a tragic figure.
I hate to do a HYUFD but as a former and habitual Tory voter you may be more divided than ever before, "we" are not.
Instead of the division being on the right of British politics, that division has now been closed and the division has been moved to a much more palatable position. Well done Cameron.
Absolutely - party before country every single time for the Tories.
You mean Labour are the opposite.?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Labours interst has always been for anyone but their own Country Wilson ...Blair....Brown too stupid to know one way or another.
Some people put party before country, but I don't think most do, although they might tend to think who they support is always right and their opponents always wrong.
I also don't think for a moment that could be said for Wilson, Blair or Brown and certainly none of them could be called stupid. I think they all came over as very bright, although I think Brown in particular was very ill suited for the job.
You seem to lack any objectivity when it comes to Labour. You never come on here ad objectively dismantle them. It just seems to be a hatred and you seem to think we are all in cahoots on a plot with Labour to rubbish the Tories (even though a significant number of us don't even support Labour).
Blair was for the USA, Wilson was rumoured to love Mother Russia. Both to be despised in equal.measure. Brown was an idiot, clever idiot maybe, who thought that he saved the world. He completely fucked the UK economy with his arrogance. I respected Callaghan,j ust about the only one who was worth praise. Labour are in opposition because they can't find a credible leader. The Tories are in.power because Labour are and have been useless. They never learn.
I don't need to deconstruct Labour, they are very able at doing it themselves.
People vote against Parties now not for them, that why the Tories are in power.
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I don't know about Blair and USA
Wilson and Russia I think was just a smear to try and discredit him
I don't think Wilson is despised
Blair is both despised and loved. He is marmite.
Brown I agree but I maybe would not use those words
Callaghan, interesting that you respect him. Would love to know more. Not disagreeing or agreeing just interested
Reason Tories are in power, I agree
Re deconstructing Labour, you make a valid point but why post then? I can come on here and say Boris is an idiot but what does it achieve? It is pointless unless I say why.
Labour has learnt in the past and with someone you hate and that is Blair. Even if you disagree with him Labour were very successful under him.
Re you last comment about people voting against parties, I agree. Sadly we are in a position with two very poor parties currently.
Brown certainly screwed anyone aged 30-50 at the time with defined benefit pensions due to his reckless stupidity taking billions out of pension funds each year.
He's an awful person. I despise him and will til my dying day.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
Though this time round, the bribe would have to be a blooming big one. Much more than in 2017. And would the bribe have to include Johnson's head or dangly bits?
(And what does this hypothetical government do about the Irish Sea Border? Neither way of removing it looks very attractive.)
The main things are:
It's unlikely that the 2023/4 result will be this. What happens next depends on what happens next.
The Conservative drift down continues. Their average rating peaked at around 43/44% in June, now it's around 38/39% and the Brexit floor is really being tested. Meanwhile Labour have risen from about 32% to about 35/36%. At what point should thoughtful Conservatives start to think concerned thoughts?
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
It could be the TUV if they gazump the DUP in the unionist seats at the next election...
If the maths allow for a deal with the Tories, then Labour needs the Lib Dems and more importantly the SNP (And Plaid probably) in order to attain the seats required for the confidence of the house. I do not think it likely that either the TUV or the DUP will give confidence to any arrangement involving the SNP, so it will be the Tories again after securing pork for Northern Ireland.
The protestors who have glued themselves to the road should be pulled off and if they need a skin graft that's self-inflicted.
Please see my comments yesterday on what we should do to anti vaxxers going into school. Sometimes you have to take a deep breath before punching them.
I am pretty liberal on most forms of peaceful protest but think schools should be one place that is off limits. On key infrastructure like motorways I am undecided, possibly a time limit of an hour for a protest in those scenarios if that could be made to work.
It is difficult isn't it because it is coloured by your own view. From my point of view the anti vaxxers, particularly those filmed serving stupid documents on schools and hospitals, come into the complete nutter category. Those gluing themselves to the road have a point, but I know, I just know, that a 1 minute conversation with any of them would also ensure they went into my complete nutter bucket also.
Yet I was happy to go on the one and only demonstration I have been on, as a Remainer, in the certain knowledge I was doing the right thing.
Am I a hypocrite?
No, not at all. Protest is absolutely part of our (relatively) democratic system. Self righteous knobs breaking injunctions and deliberately disrupting law abiding people going to work is simple law breaking. They should be jailed.
People can protest and break the law in protest if they think the issue is important enough.
But then the law-breakers have to face the consequences of their choices.
If people are prepared to go to prison for their beliefs then that can send a very powerful statement. But right now we seem to have lost sight of that and the word protest is a magic word that excuses any law breaking without consequences.
I don't think that is true. Multiple Insulate Britain protestors have appeared in court.
I have been on a number of demonstrations and most are unremarkable in terms of policing. The Peoples Vote marches had virtually no police or litter.
I have also had training for more disruptive protests, against the arms trade, which involve obstructing roads and even criminal damage. The training was quite instructive on how to be the most nuisance without getting arrested. I wasn't.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Sunak is another Dave Cameron. Very well presented, not much there. Hopefully, if he does get the top job he will not do as much damage as Cameron did.
Don't agree about Cameron. I think he was a good PM and the Coalition government in particular was one of our better governments who eased us out of a very difficult situation with surprisingly little pain. As for Sunak he is clearly very bright. My slight concern is that his meteoric rise has given him very little experience of governing or politics outside his comfort zone of finance. I'd like to see him spread his wings a bit but his boss probably wouldn't.
I am not so sure history will be as kind as you are! Cameron's legacy is what we are living through now: a deeply divided country that is poorer than it should be, less relevant internationally and whose citizens have lost an unprecedented amount of freedom, with more on the way. Mistaking well-spoken verbal fluency for intelligence is the perennial British problem.
Well quite, Camerons time as PM ended in an abject failure, That is demonstrably obvious. Unlike other PMs he was not a victim of ‘events’, he carefully crafted the conditions of his own failure. He played with fire for short term political expediency and destroyed himself. History will judge him a tragic figure and one of our worst PMs.
His time as PM ended up as such an "abject failure" that having been behind in almost every poll in the 2010-15 Parliament, and having surprisingly won quite a narrow majority in 2015 . . . he managed to set his party up for another two General Elections and still be strong favourites for the next election too.
He exorcised the issue that has bedevilled the country and the Party for generations. Real generations, not Scottish ones.
EDIT: Its funny how your post is getting plenty of "likes" from people who probably don't want and don't vote for a series of Conservative governments that are Cameron's legacy.
Cameron hasn’t exorcised anything, We’re more divided than before, The difference is your preferred side is in the ascendancy, which leads you to the conclusion job done. Our relationship with Europe will always be an issue. It always has been , long before the EU.
But either way, Cameron failed. It was not his objective to lose the referendum, see his policy collapse and hand over to May. If you watch the Cameron documentary you see his hubris played an almighty part in his downfall. As I say, he’s a tragic figure.
I hate to do a HYUFD but as a former and habitual Tory voter you may be more divided than ever before, "we" are not.
Instead of the division being on the right of British politics, that division has now been closed and the division has been moved to a much more palatable position. Well done Cameron.
Absolutely - party before country every single time for the Tories.
You mean Labour are the opposite.?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Labours interst has always been for anyone but their own Country Wilson ...Blair....Brown too stupid to know one way or another.
Some people put party before country, but I don't think most do, although they might tend to think who they support is always right and their opponents always wrong.
I also don't think for a moment that could be said for Wilson, Blair or Brown and certainly none of them could be called stupid. I think they all came over as very bright, although I think Brown in particular was very ill suited for the job.
You seem to lack any objectivity when it comes to Labour. You never come on here ad objectively dismantle them. It just seems to be a hatred and you seem to think we are all in cahoots on a plot with Labour to rubbish the Tories (even though a significant number of us don't even support Labour).
Blair was for the USA, Wilson was rumoured to love Mother Russia. Both to be despised in equal.measure. Brown was an idiot, clever idiot maybe, who thought that he saved the world. He completely fucked the UK economy with his arrogance. I respected Callaghan,j ust about the only one who was worth praise. Labour are in opposition because they can't find a credible leader. The Tories are in.power because Labour are and have been useless. They never learn.
I don't need to deconstruct Labour, they are very able at doing it themselves.
People vote against Parties now not for them, that why the Tories are in power.
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I don't know about Blair and USA
Wilson and Russia I think was just a smear to try and discredit him
I don't think Wilson is despised
Blair is both despised and loved. He is marmite.
Brown I agree but I maybe would not use those words
Callaghan, interesting that you respect him. Would love to know more. Not disagreeing or agreeing just interested
Reason Tories are in power, I agree
Re deconstructing Labour, you make a valid point but why post then? I can come on here and say Boris is an idiot but what does it achieve? It is pointless unless I say why.
Labour has learnt in the past and with someone you hate and that is Blair. Even if you disagree with him Labour were very successful under him.
Re you last comment about people voting against parties, I agree. Sadly we are in a position with two very poor parties currently.
Brown certainly screwed anyone aged 30-50 at the time with defined benefit pensions due to his reckless stupidity taking billions out of pension funds each year.
He's an awful person. I despise him and will til my dying day.
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
Though this time round, the bribe would have to be a blooming big one. Much more than in 2017. And would the bribe have to include Johnson's head or dangly bits?
(And what does this hypothetical government do about the Irish Sea Border? Neither way of removing it looks very attractive.)
The main things are:
It's unlikely that the 2023/4 result will be this. What happens next depends on what happens next.
The Conservative drift down continues. Their average rating peaked at around 43/44% in June, now it's around 38/39% and the Brexit floor is really being tested. Meanwhile Labour have risen from about 32% to about 35/36%. At what point should thoughtful Conservatives start to think concerned thoughts?
On current polling it is quite likely that either the DUP/TUV or the SNP will have the balance of power in a hung parliament, even if the Tories win another majority in England. Although it could end up a 2015 or 1992 style result with a narrow Tory majority instead.
Labour would need a clear poll lead to have even a chance of forming a minority government on their own or with just the support of the LDs rather than the SNP too and Labour would need about a 10% poll lead for a majority.
The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years, most governments are normally behind mid term, for the Conservatives to only be 2% ahead is not much of a concern in historical terms
The protestors who have glued themselves to the road should be pulled off and if they need a skin graft that's self-inflicted.
Please see my comments yesterday on what we should do to anti vaxxers going into school. Sometimes you have to take a deep breath before punching them.
I am pretty liberal on most forms of peaceful protest but think schools should be one place that is off limits. On key infrastructure like motorways I am undecided, possibly a time limit of an hour for a protest in those scenarios if that could be made to work.
Peaceful protest is not legal. It is not legal to block the highway. Why should their protest disrupt ordinary working people going about their daily lives.
Still they are making complete fools of the party of law and order.
On the other hand, media and politicians are talking about Britain's woeful levels of insulation now. So they've achieved their aim.
Same could be said of a number of highly irritating disruptions held by political movements or interest groups. Take the late Bob Crow: regularly infuriated the hell out of already long suffering commuters, but certainly got a fantastic series of deals for tube drivers as a result.
and bizarrely a huge fan of cricket.
And - rather less bizarrely - a Millwall season ticket holder!
'No-one likes us. We don't care.' Is the slogan. Although the only Millwall fan I know is a professional carer and really nice bloke.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
Though this time round, the bribe would have to be a blooming big one. Much more than in 2017. And would the bribe have to include Johnson's head or dangly bits?
(And what does this hypothetical government do about the Irish Sea Border? Neither way of removing it looks very attractive.)
The main things are:
It's unlikely that the 2023/4 result will be this. What happens next depends on what happens next.
The Conservative drift down continues. Their average rating peaked at around 43/44% in June, now it's around 38/39% and the Brexit floor is really being tested. Meanwhile Labour have risen from about 32% to about 35/36%. At what point should thoughtful Conservatives start to think concerned thoughts?
On current polling it is quite likely that either the DUP or the SNP will have the balance of power in a hung parliament, even if the Tories win another majority in England. Although it could end up a 2015 or 1992 style result with a narrow Tory majority instead.
Labour would need a clear poll lead to have even a chance of forming a minority government on their own or with just the support of the LDs rather than the SNP and Labour would need about a 10% poll lead for a majority.
The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years, most governments are normally behind mid term, for the Conservatives to only be 2% ahead is not much of a concern in historical terms
I think the million dollar question is what happens to all the Green votes. There are a lot out there in this polling - it's getting a bit like UKIP in the 2010s.
There are a few REFUK votes that will return to Tories at an election too, of course, though much fewer than the Greens.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
His employer is a very strong supporter of BLM so presumably he backs the company line. I thought that Michael Holding got it perfectly right. Ignore all the political baggage and focus on the words. Black. Lives. Matter.
Off topic, has it been less sunny this year or do my solar panels need a clean ?
Spring this year was less sunny than last year, but summer was more sunny than 2020. Not clear what the overall balance is, but unlikely to be strongly one way over the other.
Sunak is another Dave Cameron. Very well presented, not much there. Hopefully, if he does get the top job he will not do as much damage as Cameron did.
Don't agree about Cameron. I think he was a good PM and the Coalition government in particular was one of our better governments who eased us out of a very difficult situation with surprisingly little pain. As for Sunak he is clearly very bright. My slight concern is that his meteoric rise has given him very little experience of governing or politics outside his comfort zone of finance. I'd like to see him spread his wings a bit but his boss probably wouldn't.
I am not so sure history will be as kind as you are! Cameron's legacy is what we are living through now: a deeply divided country that is poorer than it should be, less relevant internationally and whose citizens have lost an unprecedented amount of freedom, with more on the way. Mistaking well-spoken verbal fluency for intelligence is the perennial British problem.
Well quite, Camerons time as PM ended in an abject failure, That is demonstrably obvious. Unlike other PMs he was not a victim of ‘events’, he carefully crafted the conditions of his own failure. He played with fire for short term political expediency and destroyed himself. History will judge him a tragic figure and one of our worst PMs.
His time as PM ended up as such an "abject failure" that having been behind in almost every poll in the 2010-15 Parliament, and having surprisingly won quite a narrow majority in 2015 . . . he managed to set his party up for another two General Elections and still be strong favourites for the next election too.
He exorcised the issue that has bedevilled the country and the Party for generations. Real generations, not Scottish ones.
EDIT: Its funny how your post is getting plenty of "likes" from people who probably don't want and don't vote for a series of Conservative governments that are Cameron's legacy.
Cameron hasn’t exorcised anything, We’re more divided than before, The difference is your preferred side is in the ascendancy, which leads you to the conclusion job done. Our relationship with Europe will always be an issue. It always has been , long before the EU.
But either way, Cameron failed. It was not his objective to lose the referendum, see his policy collapse and hand over to May. If you watch the Cameron documentary you see his hubris played an almighty part in his downfall. As I say, he’s a tragic figure.
I hate to do a HYUFD but as a former and habitual Tory voter you may be more divided than ever before, "we" are not.
Instead of the division being on the right of British politics, that division has now been closed and the division has been moved to a much more palatable position. Well done Cameron.
Absolutely - party before country every single time for the Tories.
You mean Labour are the opposite.?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Labours interst has always been for anyone but their own Country Wilson ...Blair....Brown too stupid to know one way or another.
Some people put party before country, but I don't think most do, although they might tend to think who they support is always right and their opponents always wrong.
I also don't think for a moment that could be said for Wilson, Blair or Brown and certainly none of them could be called stupid. I think they all came over as very bright, although I think Brown in particular was very ill suited for the job.
You seem to lack any objectivity when it comes to Labour. You never come on here ad objectively dismantle them. It just seems to be a hatred and you seem to think we are all in cahoots on a plot with Labour to rubbish the Tories (even though a significant number of us don't even support Labour).
Blair was for the USA, Wilson was rumoured to love Mother Russia. Both to be despised in equal.measure. Brown was an idiot, clever idiot maybe, who thought that he saved the world. He completely fucked the UK economy with his arrogance. I respected Callaghan,j ust about the only one who was worth praise. Labour are in opposition because they can't find a credible leader. The Tories are in.power because Labour are and have been useless. They never learn.
I don't need to deconstruct Labour, they are very able at doing it themselves.
People vote against Parties now not for them, that why the Tories are in power.
Post with content. Thank you. In reply, section by section:
I don't know about Blair and USA
Wilson and Russia I think was just a smear to try and discredit him
I don't think Wilson is despised
Blair is both despised and loved. He is marmite.
Brown I agree but I maybe would not use those words
Callaghan, interesting that you respect him. Would love to know more. Not disagreeing or agreeing just interested
Reason Tories are in power, I agree
Re deconstructing Labour, you make a valid point but why post then? I can come on here and say Boris is an idiot but what does it achieve? It is pointless unless I say why.
Labour has learnt in the past and with someone you hate and that is Blair. Even if you disagree with him Labour were very successful under him.
Re you last comment about people voting against parties, I agree. Sadly we are in a position with two very poor parties currently.
Brown certainly screwed anyone aged 30-50 at the time with defined benefit pensions due to his reckless stupidity taking billions out of pension funds each year.
He's an awful person. I despise him and will til my dying day.
I wanted to like strongly but couldn't because of the 2nd para but I have every sympathy with your point of view re the pension funds. It was appalling. I hope he did it in ignorance of the consequences, but it does feel like an easy way to raise funds secretly. People react to a 1% increase in tax, but they don't see their pension fund being depleted. He is responsible for so many funds going into FAS and the PPF.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
i take your point slightly but SA has had a black government for 30 years - time to move on - its not a SA think anyway is it more an american one this take the knee- Are Germans expected to do some kind of holocaust memorial gesture when they play?
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
Though this time round, the bribe would have to be a blooming big one. Much more than in 2017. And would the bribe have to include Johnson's head or dangly bits?
(And what does this hypothetical government do about the Irish Sea Border? Neither way of removing it looks very attractive.)
The main things are:
It's unlikely that the 2023/4 result will be this. What happens next depends on what happens next.
The Conservative drift down continues. Their average rating peaked at around 43/44% in June, now it's around 38/39% and the Brexit floor is really being tested. Meanwhile Labour have risen from about 32% to about 35/36%. At what point should thoughtful Conservatives start to think concerned thoughts?
On current polling it is quite likely that either the DUP or the SNP will have the balance of power in a hung parliament, even if the Tories win another majority in England. Although it could end up a 2015 or 1992 style result with a narrow Tory majority instead.
Labour would need a clear poll lead to have even a chance of forming a minority government on their own or with just the support of the LDs rather than the SNP and Labour would need about a 10% poll lead for a majority.
The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years, most governments are normally behind mid term, for the Conservatives to only be 2% ahead is not much of a concern in historical terms
I think the million dollar question is what happens to all the Green votes. There are a lot out there in this polling - it's getting a bit like UKIP in the 2010s.
There are a few REFUK votes that will return to Tories at an election too, of course, though much fewer than the Greens.
Even if you added 4% to the Labour share and the Greens fell back to the roughly 3% they got in 2019 (and ignoring any RefUK movement back to the Tories) you would still have the Conservatives on most seats on the new Comres on the new boundaries on 292 with Labour on 276.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
NOM. Con 18 short on current boundaries, 7 short on 2023 boundaries.
It wouldn't need a lot of tactical voting to finish Johnson off.
Just think we could have the DUP back giving confidence and supply to the Tories.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam on here there is little likelihood of the DUP giving either confidence and supply or comfort and support to a Johnsonite Tory party.
He would bribe them and they would do it
Both he and they appear to be capable of such acts. However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
Though this time round, the bribe would have to be a blooming big one. Much more than in 2017. And would the bribe have to include Johnson's head or dangly bits?
(And what does this hypothetical government do about the Irish Sea Border? Neither way of removing it looks very attractive.)
The main things are:
It's unlikely that the 2023/4 result will be this. What happens next depends on what happens next.
The Conservative drift down continues. Their average rating peaked at around 43/44% in June, now it's around 38/39% and the Brexit floor is really being tested. Meanwhile Labour have risen from about 32% to about 35/36%. At what point should thoughtful Conservatives start to think concerned thoughts?
On current polling it is quite likely that either the DUP/TUV or the SNP will have the balance of power in a hung parliament, even if the Tories win another majority in England. Although it could end up a 2015 or 1992 style result with a narrow Tory majority instead.
Labour would need a clear poll lead to have even a chance of forming a minority government on their own or with just the support of the LDs rather than the SNP too and Labour would need about a 10% poll lead for a majority.
The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years, most governments are normally behind mid term, for the Conservatives to only be 2% ahead is not much of a concern in historical terms
All true.
However.
Step back from the individual polls, and look at the landscape over the last five months or so- roughly since Hartlepool. (Someone here called that as peak Boris at the time. Well done them.)
Overall, the Conservatives have been losing rather more than a percentage point a month in their ratings. Each individual step looks like MOE, and there are upticks as well as downticks, but the trend is steadily down. Similarly, Labour have been gaining. In their case it's less than 1 pp a month, but they all add up.
That might not continue, but it might- and is there really any reason to think that it will turn around in 2022? At some point- not yet, but at some point fairly soon, this becomes a thing that ought to concern thoughtful Conservatives.
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
BBC now reporting that Rishi is expected to address the UC issue in his budget
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
I did think most people knew they had lost the battle when Godwin's law comes into play.
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
BBC now reporting that Rishi is expected to address the UC issue in his budget
Not long to wait
err wonder if that means any of the spreads with sportingindex worth revisiting? maybe buy of length of speech if it is a late addition?
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
I read something interesting about the 1936 Olympics. Apparently many nations gave the olympic salute, and the Nazis widely assumed that they were giving the Hitler salute as they are similar. Not sure how true that is - but its from the English translation of Hitler: Ascent by Volker Ullrich.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Off topic, has it been less sunny this year or do my solar panels need a clean ?
Spring this year was less sunny than last year, but summer was more sunny than 2020. Not clear what the overall balance is, but unlikely to be strongly one way over the other.
Here on the disputed London/Essex border, May and June look like they were pretty poor, and May/June/July are the longest days. My panels were pretty normal in August, though the days are already shortening by then.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
i take your point slightly but SA has had a black government for 30 years - time to move on - its not a SA think anyway is it more an american one this take the knee- Are Germans expected to do some kind of holocaust memorial gesture when they play?
With Poppymas on its way, we do expect footballers from across the world including Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan, not to mention a bunch of former European colonies to wear poppies on their shirts and stand in silence as we memorialise our armed forces for trying to kill their ancestors. Most seem to go along with it.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
Off topic, has it been less sunny this year or do my solar panels need a clean ?
Our solar panels are performing slightly better than last year notwithstanding it seems to have been less sunny
They have not been cleaned since installation in 2015 but the rain seems to do its job
One of Wales advantages!
I had a fortnight in Wales some years ago, and it only rained twice. Once for a week, and once for 7 days...
We've twice been to Wales on holiday and never noticed the rain.
The following year we inevitable return to the same place and it rains for the entire fortnight.
On the other hand Macbeth at the Bishops Palace in St David's in a full-on storm with thunder was something I remember (partly for the timing of the thunder and partly for the hours it took to warm up afterwards).
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
Good Godwinism.
In fact the infamous England football team Nazi salute seems to have been entirely based on British diplomatic advice, FA pressure, and by some accounts was the choice of the team members themselves.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
i take your point slightly but SA has had a black government for 30 years - time to move on - its not a SA think anyway is it more an american one this take the knee- Are Germans expected to do some kind of holocaust memorial gesture when they play?
With Poppymas on its way, we do expect footballers from across the world including Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan, not to mention a bunch of former European colonies to wear poppies on their shirts and stand in silence as we memorialise our armed forces for trying to kill their ancestors. Most seem to go along with it.
I'm curious what those opposed to "gestures" would think if instead of kneeling, on Remembrance Sunday footballers started chanting Black Lives Matter in protest through the minute's silence?
Somehow I think gestures would suddenly matter and they'd be outraged at that.
Off topic, has it been less sunny this year or do my solar panels need a clean ?
Spring this year was less sunny than last year, but summer was more sunny than 2020. Not clear what the overall balance is, but unlikely to be strongly one way over the other.
Here on the disputed London/Essex border, May and June look like they were pretty poor, and May/June/July are the longest days. My panels were pretty normal in August, though the days are already shortening by then.
From April 1st I've generated as follows:
(Kwh per day) (North Notts)
11.20 1st April to 20th April 17.01 21st April to 26th July 11.75 27th July to 27th October
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
well i would not - admit it woudl be slightly different argument if I had yet to sign a contract - It that case i woudl refuse the job. It is nothing to do with the state (really dont get that argument you make) its between an individual and an employer and i back the individual every time in this case
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
i take your point slightly but SA has had a black government for 30 years - time to move on - its not a SA think anyway is it more an american one this take the knee- Are Germans expected to do some kind of holocaust memorial gesture when they play?
With Poppymas on its way, we do expect footballers from across the world including Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan, not to mention a bunch of former European colonies to wear poppies on their shirts and stand in silence as we memorialise our armed forces for trying to kill their ancestors. Most seem to go along with it.
again not a fan of poppies being on shirts either and support the right of those players that refuse that for whatever reason
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
No because I wouldn't take the job in the first place.
It's really very simple the Terms and Conditions were set out before he agreed to join the team - he agreed to them, failed to follow them and was, correctly fired for not following them.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
No because I wouldn't take the job in the first place.
It's really very simple the Terms and Conditions were set out before he agreed to join the team - he agreed to them, failed to follow them and was, correctly fired for not following them.
I thought he already had played for SA and therefore on the team before this "missive" - but i may be wrong
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
Good Godwinism.
In fact the infamous England football team Nazi salute seems to have been entirely based on British diplomatic advice, FA pressure, and by some accounts was the choice of the team members themselves.
sort of proves my point then if forced by the sport organisation (FA in this case)
In not exactly surprising news: The government has confirmed it will not block Paul Dacre from reapplying for the job of Ofcom chair, having decided to re-run the entire recruitment process because he somehow accidentally failed the stitch-up process last time. https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1453307138789593088/photo/1
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
Kuenesberg on BBC just now saying tweaks on UC expected and possibly something on warm front energy help
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
No because I wouldn't take the job in the first place.
It's really very simple the Terms and Conditions were set out before he agreed to join the team - he agreed to them, failed to follow them and was, correctly fired for not following them.
I thought he already had played for SA and therefore on the team before this "missive" - but i may be wrong
How / why does that matter - he agreed those terms to become part of the team for this tournament.
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
Kuenesberg on BBC just now saying tweaks on UC expected and possibly something on warm front energy help
might buy the number of times the word "boiler" is mentioned
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
i take your point slightly but SA has had a black government for 30 years - time to move on - its not a SA think anyway is it more an american one this take the knee- Are Germans expected to do some kind of holocaust memorial gesture when they play?
With Poppymas on its way, we do expect footballers from across the world including Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan, not to mention a bunch of former European colonies to wear poppies on their shirts and stand in silence as we memorialise our armed forces for trying to kill their ancestors. Most seem to go along with it.
again not a fan of poppies being on shirts either and support the right of those players that refuse that for whatever reason
Do you support the right of players to shout protests, or simply gossip with each other, during the minute's silence if they don't want to observe the minute's silence for whatever reason?
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
I did think most people knew they had lost the battle when Godwin's law comes into play.
except its not is it. I am not calling anybody a Nazi I am referring to fact - Stop being a bit juvenile
In not exactly surprising news: The government has confirmed it will not block Paul Dacre from reapplying for the job of Ofcom chair, having decided to re-run the entire recruitment process because he somehow accidentally failed the stitch-up process last time. https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1453307138789593088/photo/1
That one party state wont organize itself. Needs a little helping hand every so often.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
No because I wouldn't take the job in the first place.
It's really very simple the Terms and Conditions were set out before he agreed to join the team - he agreed to them, failed to follow them and was, correctly fired for not following them.
I thought he already had played for SA and therefore on the team before this "missive" - but i may be wrong
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
Kuenesberg on BBC just now saying tweaks on UC expected and possibly something on warm front energy help
might buy the number of times the word "boiler" is mentioned
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
UC is different if you're a couple compared to a single person though whereas the tax system is entirely individualistic.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
I did think most people knew they had lost the battle when Godwin's law comes into play.
except its not is it. I am not calling anybody a Nazi I am referring to fact - Stop being a bit juvenile
You do know what Godwin's law actually is:
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.
And it usually occurs when a poster has run out of other arguments.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
i take your point slightly but SA has had a black government for 30 years - time to move on - its not a SA think anyway is it more an american one this take the knee- Are Germans expected to do some kind of holocaust memorial gesture when they play?
With Poppymas on its way, we do expect footballers from across the world including Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan, not to mention a bunch of former European colonies to wear poppies on their shirts and stand in silence as we memorialise our armed forces for trying to kill their ancestors. Most seem to go along with it.
again not a fan of poppies being on shirts either and support the right of those players that refuse that for whatever reason
Do you support the right of players to shout protests, or simply gossip with each other, during the minute's silence if they don't want to observe the minute's silence for whatever reason?
they tend to do minutes applause dont they anyway in football? Personally I think they do far too many minutes silences or applause at football but on the odd occasion it is justified what people are asked to do is remain silent (not do any gesture) - De Kock did not boo the taking of the knee he stood respecfully silent
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
I don't think that solution works - at best you can have a lower taper (65% rather than 75% say), start the taper at a slightly higher level (say £100 a month more before it kicks in) or a combination of the two.
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
UC is different if you're a couple compared to a single person though whereas the tax system is entirely individualistic.
That can be fixed if you want to invest in reform.
My proposal would be to have a simple, set, fixed UBI per adult, with a reduced one fixed per child (maybe capped at 2 children). A single, fixed tax rate. No other tax rates (so abolish NIC tax and "Student Loan" tax) and no other benefits. I'd then have the UBI transferrable so a parent claims it for a child and a husband or wife could transfer it if they chose to do so.
That would mean that single parents get less than couples of course. I'm OK with that
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.
And it usually occurs when a poster has run out of other arguments.
Godwin went on to be an IP lawyer. I was involved in discussions with him on a couple of occasions. He says that whenever he is too strict, his daughter compares to a Nazi. It was funny the first time apparently
Because all this humongous spending has to be paid for, one way or another.
My three punts are:
1 - Technical measures in the property area, including something to level up treatment of business-owned and personally owned property. Maybe something on foreign owned property, such as making the ATED fully proportional rather than a fixed sum on bands. 2 - Something on IHT that doesn't look like something. 3 - Reform of business rates. 4 - Brucie Bonus - Council Tax changes. Hoping for PPT. 5 - Brucie Bonus 2 - CGT changes.
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
I don't think that solution works - at best you can have a lower taper (65% rather than 75% say), start the taper at a slightly higher level (say £100 a month more before it kicks in) or a combination of the two.
Why is that the best? Why should anyone be facing a real tax rate of 65%? How does that encourage them to work or reward them for working?
If you don't believe in 65% tax rates for the well off (and I don't) why should we believe in that for the poor?
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
If you really challenge me on my name , one of my real core beliefs in life is that there are far too many instances of people telling other people what to do whether government (wearing useless masks is the one in vogue now) or employers or whatever. This is an example of a guy who probably takes exception as to being told what to do (nothing more sinister than that given his record to date) when its nothing intrinsicially related to his job as a wicketkeeper
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
If you really challenge me on my name , one of my real core beliefs in life is that there are far too many instances of people telling other people what to do whether government or employers or whatever. This is an example of a guy who probably takes exception as to being told what to do when its nothing intrinsicially related to his job as a wicketkeeper
He doesn't have to do what his employer wants. He can quit if he doesn't want to do it.
His job's not just a wicket keeper. Its a wicket keeper representing his country. If he wants to be a wicket keeper representing a club, he can do that, but then he'd have to follow the club's rules.
Because all this humongous spending has to be paid for, one way or another.
My three punts are:
1 - Technical measures in the property area, including something to level up treatment of business-owned and personally owned property. Maybe something on foreign owned property, such as making the ATED fully proportional rather than a fixed sum on bands. 2 - Something on IHT that doesn't look like something. 3 - Reform of business rates. 4 - Brucie Bonus - Council Tax changes. Hoping for PPT. 5 - Brucie Bonus 2 - CGT changes.
I suspect the tax changes will be minimal. And the main 'rabbit' will be changes to UC taper as referenced by others on here.
But if Rishi does want to make further tax increases then this is the Budget to do so, as future Budgets will be too close to the election (and thus more memorable when people vote).
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
I don't think that solution works - at best you can have a lower taper (65% rather than 75% say), start the taper at a slightly higher level (say £100 a month more before it kicks in) or a combination of the two.
Why is that the best? Why should anyone be facing a real tax rate of 65%? How does that encourage them to work or reward them for working?
If you don't believe in 65% tax rates for the well off (and I don't) why should we believe in that for the poor?
At best = as good a solution as we can find given the existing parameters.
It's not best - however unless you have some taper you will find everyone would be on UC unless they earn £60,000+ because without a taper you would have either an abrupt cut off point (see the 16 hours in older schemes) or something which was too generous (especially in areas like London where housing benefit sends UC sky high).
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
If you really challenge me on my name , one of my real core beliefs in life is that there are far too many instances of people telling other people what to do whether government or employers or whatever. This is an example of a guy who probably takes exception as to being told what to do when its nothing intrinsicially related to his job as a wicketkeeper
He doesn't have to do what his employer wants. He can quit if he doesn't want to do it.
His job's not just a wicket keeper. Its a wicket keeper representing his country. If he wants to be a wicket keeper representing a club, he can do that, but then he'd have to follow the club's rules.
as far as I can tell he is following the contract he signed
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
If you really challenge me on my name , one of my real core beliefs in life is that there are far too many instances of people telling other people what to do whether government or employers or whatever. This is an example of a guy who probably takes exception as to being told what to do when its nothing intrinsicially related to his job as a wicketkeeper
He doesn't have to do what his employer wants. He can quit if he doesn't want to do it.
His job's not just a wicket keeper. Its a wicket keeper representing his country. If he wants to be a wicket keeper representing a club, he can do that, but then he'd have to follow the club's rules.
as far as I can tell he is following the contract he signed
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do..
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
I did think most people knew they had lost the battle when Godwin's law comes into play.
except its not is it. I am not calling anybody a Nazi I am referring to fact - Stop being a bit juvenile
You do know what Godwin's law actually is:
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.
And it usually occurs when a poster has run out of other arguments.
Wow never knew that - take it all back then - you are obviously right becasue of this weird law invented in nerd land - Of course you can learn lessons from Nazi Germany and therefore quote from it in the real grown up world
That would be expensive but a real rabbit from the hat. I wouldn't rule it out.
It would be better by far to take that money and spend it on the taper, so that someone working full time on NLW gets the £20 per week but those who aren't working don't.
Not sure. Those in full time work are already getting another £20 a week due to the increase in the NLW.
No they're not. Even ignoring inflation, given those in full time work are marginally taxed at 75% of what they earn extra, they'd need to be working 135.6 hours per week to get £20 from a 59p per hour increase.
Philip - I do not understand how UC works, at all. But I am struck by this - if you work 38 hours a week on the NLW, and are still receiving UC then something is wrong in the world surely? Maybe I am just too naive?
The issue with that is that under the old system pre-UC you'd lose your benefits if you worked over 16 hours work.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
I don't think that solution works - at best you can have a lower taper (65% rather than 75% say), start the taper at a slightly higher level (say £100 a month more before it kicks in) or a combination of the two.
Why is that the best? Why should anyone be facing a real tax rate of 65%? How does that encourage them to work or reward them for working?
If you don't believe in 65% tax rates for the well off (and I don't) why should we believe in that for the poor?
It's not best - however unless you have some taper you will find everyone would be on UC unless they earn £60,000+ because without a taper you would have either an abrupt cut off point (see the 16 hours in older schemes) or something which was too generous (especially in areas like London where housing benefit sends UC sky high).
So what if someone earning £60,000+ has the UC?
It will just act like the tax-free allowance does today. The person on £60k would pay the net tax difference between the UC allowance and their taxes.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
If you really challenge me on my name , one of my real core beliefs in life is that there are far too many instances of people telling other people what to do whether government or employers or whatever. This is an example of a guy who probably takes exception as to being told what to do when its nothing intrinsicially related to his job as a wicketkeeper
He doesn't have to do what his employer wants. He can quit if he doesn't want to do it.
His job's not just a wicket keeper. Its a wicket keeper representing his country. If he wants to be a wicket keeper representing a club, he can do that, but then he'd have to follow the club's rules.
as far as I can tell he is following the contract he signed
I expect the contract he signed left selection to the selectors and didn't give him a right to demand being selected.
Quinton de Kock withdrew from South Africa's T20 World Cup match against the West Indies after refusing to take a knee.
South Africa's players have been told to take a knee before the start of their remaining T20 World Cup matches after they were pictured taking varying stances before their defeat to Australia on Saturday.
The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board unanimously agreed on Monday to "adopt a consistent and united stance against racism".
I heard Michael Atherton describe de Kock as "a pariah", which seems more over the top than the criticism the cricket pundits dished out to Ollie Robinson earlier in the year. Compare and contrast with football...
Marcos Alonso: Chelsea defender to stop taking knee after claiming anti-racism gesture is 'losing strength'
The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve; players have been taking a knee since the summer of 2020 to show support for the movement for racial equality; Thomas Tuchel: "This is his decision, we accept it"
Its strange from Michael Atherton given he is intelligent and not confrontational usually . From what i read it seemed SA gave three options - take the knee, do some kind of fist gesture or stand to attention.From the picture I saw he seemed to respectfully stand still (if not rigid to attention ) with hands behind back (at Ease!) so not far from complying if you like - To be then hunted down by media and SA is a bit pathetic and sinister.
OTOH SA remains a racial powder keg and de Kock comes from a minority with some serious baggage. I don't like enforced compliance with gestures like this but if any team is entitled to insist upon compliance it is SA. I think Atherton was simply reporting back that his team mates were far from impressed and I can understand why.
Well hen maybe Atherton should take the knee then every time he turns up for commentary - se how he likes being told what to do
I don't know what people are finding so hard about the difference between the Premier League or Michael Atherton on the one hand and the SOUTH AFRICAN Cricket Team on the other.
I find it equally hard to understand why there is an issue when it seems that - South Africa explicitly said what was required before naming the team, members were aware and agreed to fully the rules to be part of the team and then a player wilfully chose to NOT do something he had agreed to do.
woudl you take the knee every time you turned up to work if your employer said you had to?
Quite possibly yes, and if I had an issue with it I'd look for another employer. That's free choice, what's your issue with that?
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
If you really challenge me on my name , one of my real core beliefs in life is that there are far too many instances of people telling other people what to do whether government or employers or whatever. This is an example of a guy who probably takes exception as to being told what to do when its nothing intrinsicially related to his job as a wicketkeeper
He doesn't have to do what his employer wants. He can quit if he doesn't want to do it.
His job's not just a wicket keeper. Its a wicket keeper representing his country. If he wants to be a wicket keeper representing a club, he can do that, but then he'd have to follow the club's rules.
as far as I can tell he is following the contract he signed
As far as you can tell - so you don't know?
no i readily admit to not being De Kock employment lawyer and therefore not seeing his contract (maybe you are ?). But my argument is more fundamental that that as you have seen
On Quinton de Kock, we don't know the full story, do we? But from what we do know, it doesn't look as if the rest of the team are downing tools or springing to his defence. I wonder why not. It is possible that De Kock has an "attitude problem", to put it euphemistically, isn't it?
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However, we are both assuming that there will be as many DUP MP's in a future Parliament as there are now. I wonder if the Unionist vote will split to such an extent that parties like Alliance will come though in more seats.
Except, pace HYUFD in, of course, Antrim!
However on the new Comres Labour + SNP + LD + PC + SDLP + Greens + Alliance would still only come to 314 seats ie still less than the Conservatives on 320 on the new boundaries.
So as long as the DUP did not vote to make Starmer PM or SF did not take their seats to make Starmer PM, Boris could stay PM of a minority government but would need DUP support or at least abstention to pass every Bill through the Commons
The DUP are mercurial, they'll go for it. In a rainbow alliance of everyone but the Tories there'd be too many voices for them to be heard. In a Tory+DUP agreement they'll be able to name their price.
The Protocol won't be a deal-breaker. If its not already been resolved by then (and I expect it will be) they'll just demand Article 16 is invoke and it will be. That will be their price.
Otherwise in any case most of its remaining seats would likely go TUV not Alliance, while of course the UUP only need a tiny swing to gain Fermanagh and South Tyrone from Sinn Fein
Brown certainly screwed anyone aged 30-50 at the time with defined benefit pensions due to his reckless stupidity taking billions out of pension funds each year.
He's an awful person. I despise him and will til my dying day.
https://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news/brown-ignored-warnings-on-5bn-a-year-pensions-raid/
(And what does this hypothetical government do about the Irish Sea Border? Neither way of removing it looks very attractive.)
The main things are:
It's unlikely that the 2023/4 result will be this. What happens next depends on what happens next.
The Conservative drift down continues. Their average rating peaked at around 43/44% in June, now it's around 38/39% and the Brexit floor is really being tested. Meanwhile Labour have risen from about 32% to about 35/36%. At what point should thoughtful Conservatives start to think concerned thoughts?
If the maths allow for a deal with the Tories, then Labour needs the Lib Dems and more importantly the SNP (And Plaid probably) in order to attain the seats required for the confidence of the house.
I do not think it likely that either the TUV or the DUP will give confidence to any arrangement involving the SNP, so it will be the Tories again after securing pork for Northern Ireland.
I have been on a number of demonstrations and most are unremarkable in terms of policing. The Peoples Vote marches had virtually no police or litter.
I have also had training for more disruptive protests, against the arms trade, which involve obstructing roads and even criminal damage. The training was quite instructive on how to be the most nuisance without getting arrested. I wasn't.
Labour would need a clear poll lead to have even a chance of forming a minority government on their own or with just the support of the LDs rather than the SNP too and Labour would need about a 10% poll lead for a majority.
The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years, most governments are normally behind mid term, for the Conservatives to only be 2% ahead is not much of a concern in historical terms
Although the only Millwall fan I know is a professional carer and really nice bloke.
There are a few REFUK votes that will return to Tories at an election too, of course, though much fewer than the Greens.
Before this take the knee stuff (which to the credit of football they give players the option even if hard to not do ) the last enforced sports gesture was of course the Nazi Salute by german and sometimes visiting teams - think about it
Your solar panels probably do need a clean.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-actual-and-anomaly-maps
However that does mean even the Tories + DUP/TUV would not be enough for a majority so Starmer would likely become PM but he would still need SNP confidence and supply to do so
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=37&LAB=39&LIB=8&Reform=2&Green=3&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=22.3&SCOTLAB=18.3&SCOTLIB=6.3&SCOTReform=0.7&SCOTGreen=0.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48.3&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
They have not been cleaned since installation in 2015 but the rain seems to do its job
However.
Step back from the individual polls, and look at the landscape over the last five months or so- roughly since Hartlepool. (Someone here called that as peak Boris at the time. Well done them.)
Overall, the Conservatives have been losing rather more than a percentage point a month in their ratings. Each individual step looks like MOE, and there are upticks as well as downticks, but the trend is steadily down. Similarly, Labour have been gaining. In their case it's less than 1 pp a month, but they all add up.
That might not continue, but it might- and is there really any reason to think that it will turn around in 2022? At some point- not yet, but at some point fairly soon, this becomes a thing that ought to concern thoughtful Conservatives.
Not long to wait
I had a fortnight in Wales some years ago, and it only rained twice. Once for a week, and once for 7 days...
Do you want the state to get involved in employee/employer relationships? I thought you wanted the state to go away?
The following year we inevitable return to the same place and it rains for the entire fortnight.
On the other hand Macbeth at the Bishops Palace in St David's in a full-on storm with thunder was something I remember (partly for the timing of the thunder and partly for the hours it took to warm up afterwards).
In fact the infamous England football team Nazi salute seems to have been entirely based on British diplomatic advice, FA pressure, and by some accounts was the choice of the team members themselves.
Somehow I think gestures would suddenly matter and they'd be outraged at that.
(Kwh per day) (North Notts)
11.20 1st April to 20th April
17.01 21st April to 26th July
11.75 27th July to 27th October
It's really very simple the Terms and Conditions were set out before he agreed to join the team - he agreed to them, failed to follow them and was, correctly fired for not following them.
The problem is that previously under the benefits + 16 hours work + housing credit + child benefits plus whatever else someone might get could be better off than someone working 30 hours a week. People faced a real tax rate of over 100% if they worked over 16 hours.
The UC taper improved this so you should always be better off by working, but its left a position whereby people are facing a real tax rate of 75% on everything they earn. So you're only 25% better off, which once you factor in childcare and other costs to working can mean you're still no better off working more.
The fix is to abolish the taper/merge the taper into the tax system, thus giving the UC to every citizen in the country but having a single tax rate. The UC then would operate in the same way as your tax-free allowance does currently, so you'd only pay net taxes (or be a net recipient on a clean and simple rate).
https://www.sportingfree.com/cricket/south-africa-cricketers-salary/
I'd say he could do them for breach of contract.
EDIT: I guess he hasn't actually been fired, but still, it's not a great look for an employer to do this to a member of staff.
Current RR is 4.28 - It's like an ODI from the 80s..
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.
And it usually occurs when a poster has run out of other arguments.
My proposal would be to have a simple, set, fixed UBI per adult, with a reduced one fixed per child (maybe capped at 2 children). A single, fixed tax rate. No other tax rates (so abolish NIC tax and "Student Loan" tax) and no other benefits. I'd then have the UBI transferrable so a parent claims it for a child and a husband or wife could transfer it if they chose to do so.
That would mean that single parents get less than couples of course. I'm OK with that
1 - Technical measures in the property area, including something to level up treatment of business-owned and personally owned property. Maybe something on foreign owned property, such as making the ATED fully proportional rather than a fixed sum on bands.
2 - Something on IHT that doesn't look like something.
3 - Reform of business rates.
4 - Brucie Bonus - Council Tax changes. Hoping for PPT.
5 - Brucie Bonus 2 - CGT changes.
If you don't believe in 65% tax rates for the well off (and I don't) why should we believe in that for the poor?
His job's not just a wicket keeper. Its a wicket keeper representing his country. If he wants to be a wicket keeper representing a club, he can do that, but then he'd have to follow the club's rules.
But if Rishi does want to make further tax increases then this is the Budget to do so, as future Budgets will be too close to the election (and thus more memorable when people vote).
It's not best - however unless you have some taper you will find everyone would be on UC unless they earn £60,000+ because without a taper you would have either an abrupt cut off point (see the 16 hours in older schemes) or something which was too generous (especially in areas like London where housing benefit sends UC sky high).
It will just act like the tax-free allowance does today. The person on £60k would pay the net tax difference between the UC allowance and their taxes.
1:1 - score draw.
I called peak Sunak a while back. His odds haven’t really changed since then. Today is mostly risk, with minimal upside potential.
I remain of the view that he’s a lay at current odds.