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  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
  • RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/26/uk-shares-property-capital-gains-tax

    Interesting piece on the ability of the super-rich to reduce their tax burden by realising income through capital gains. Apparently those with incomes over £9mn a year are paying an effective tax rate of just 21%. That's about half of mine. Not amused!

    It needs to be addressed
    This analysis (leaving aside that it's published by the turbo tax avoiders at the G) seems to leave out the non-existence of an indexation allowance.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    More joined up thinking from the Tories. You have to go electric. But can only charge when the govt allows it. What a sh*tshow this govt are.

    https://insideevs-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/insideevs.com/news/537120/ev-chargers-switched-off-uk/amp/

    So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?

    Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
    That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
    Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
    Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
    So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?

    With the default being able to be overrode if required.
    Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
    In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
    Also in a smart grid environment I imagine it would be adaptable so if the winds or waves were generating more energy today at 2am, with a lull in generation at 4am, then more vehicles could be charged at 2am.

    If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
    All sounds lovely, but also a putting a quart in a pint pot scenario.
    Why?

    It's just filing in the underuse holes.
    I suspect they were making the slightly different point that the common theory that battery power will remove the problem with intermittency wind and solar go away is utterly laughable - the largest battery storage facility in the world could currently power the UK for just over 2 minutes.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    rcs1000 said:

    I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.

    Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.

    Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.

    I had my Moderna booster on Saturday. Felt a bit groggy for 48 hrs.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    When are these times when we should not be at war with France?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Hope he does do something. Poor form by the government.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132
    IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    When are these times when we should not be at war with France?
    For 6 months after they have surrendered.
  • Nigelb said:

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    So all the time, then ?
    Yes, one of the rare occasions when my fiscal conservatism and free market Thatcherite outlook goes out of the window.
  • geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    When are these times when we should not be at war with France?
    When they honour the Treaty of Troyes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,701
    Stocky said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Hope he does do something. Poor form by the government.
    Cancelling the Budget would be a genuine :lol:

    Sunak would not be looking so clever then would he?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    Stocky said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Hope he does do something. Poor form by the government.
    Cancelling the Budget would be a genuine :lol:

    Sunak would not be looking so clever then would he?
    Does the article offer any possible mechanism as I can't see any in the quoted section.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,701

    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    More joined up thinking from the Tories. You have to go electric. But can only charge when the govt allows it. What a sh*tshow this govt are.

    https://insideevs-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/insideevs.com/news/537120/ev-chargers-switched-off-uk/amp/

    So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?

    Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
    That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
    Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
    Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
    So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?

    With the default being able to be overrode if required.
    Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
    In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
    Also in a smart grid environment I imagine it would be adaptable so if the winds or waves were generating more energy today at 2am, with a lull in generation at 4am, then more vehicles could be charged at 2am.

    If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
    Exactly. The grid would broadcast when it had excess generating capacity.

    If you want to do it properly, you might have three different levels: super peak (i.e. we're approaching capacity), regular and peak, and off peak.

    People could be paid by the grid to automatically turn down air conditioners, lights, etc., when the grid was in a super peak state.
    I imagine it will be far more granular than just three different states. Some distributors and large consumption businesses can already operate on the basis of half-hourly tariffs that are varied.

    A surprisingly large amount of energy can be distributed smartly. Fridges and freezers are another one, they can be set to switch off altogether at times of high cost (so long as the door's kept reasonably shut) and switch back on at times of low cost.

    I imagine in the future a lot of electronics will be set to do stuff like this fairly automatically. Why couldn't Laptops etc switch to battery mode at high-cost times down to a threshold for instance?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    As usual her calcs are indeed very rough. Current positive rate for all tests is 5%
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    It's just under 10% for PCR, but given the reduction in number of tests she quotes is total tests, she's misleadingly conflating and should be using the total positivity rate which is 5%.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364

    Stocky said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Hope he does do something. Poor form by the government.
    Cancelling the Budget would be a genuine :lol:

    Sunak would not be looking so clever then would he?
    It's not just Sunak. Too many Chancellors have been doing it for far too long.

    It's really stupid politically as well. It gives them a couple of weeks of okayish headlines but then the only thing left for after budget day is the bad shit, and that's what everyone remembers as a result. Remember Osborne giving away (in both senses) all his goodies in advance so we had a fortnight of negative headlines about pasty taxes and changes to charitable donations? Or Hammond and his backtracking on NI?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    More joined up thinking from the Tories. You have to go electric. But can only charge when the govt allows it. What a sh*tshow this govt are.

    https://insideevs-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/insideevs.com/news/537120/ev-chargers-switched-off-uk/amp/

    So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?

    Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
    That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
    Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
    Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
    So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?

    With the default being able to be overrode if required.
    Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
    In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
    Also in a smart grid environment I imagine it would be adaptable so if the winds or waves were generating more energy today at 2am, with a lull in generation at 4am, then more vehicles could be charged at 2am.

    If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
    All sounds lovely, but also a putting a quart in a pint pot scenario.
    Quite the opposite. Its demand smoothing and entirely reasonable.

    If the a very significant proportion of your electricity consumption doesn't need to be right now but can be in a couple of hours time then it makes load sharing without the end user seeing any problems much easier to handle.

    It also makes the unreliability of wind etc much easier to handle too. Cars can be charged while the turbines are spinning.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

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  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    From 1978-2000 barely a quarter of Hollywood cinema films were sequels or remakes or instalments.

    By 2019 well over 50% were suggesting a serious decline in creativity amongst filmmakers, certainly on the big screen at least
    https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1451936568025960455?s=20

    Nah, it is a testament to the franchise era.

    3 Marvel films including the highest grossing film of all time, the DCEU, Star Wars, Frozen, and Jumanji films were released in 2019.
    I am not saying they are not popular and financially successful, however original they are not.

    If you want originality go to TV or Netflix or Amazon Prime
    The breadth and depth of the Infinity Saga was entirely original.

    Nothing like it had ever been done before on the big screen.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    edited October 2021

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    Someone wouldn't lie on the internet to further their agenda, would they?
  • Seattle Times ($) - Report: Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman will be named to Biden administration election-security post

    Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman is expected to be named to a key election-security position in the Biden administration, according to a report by CNN.

    Wyman, a Republican, is set to be appointed to lead the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts to protect elections from foreign and domestic interference, CNN reported, citing anonymous sources.

    Wyman’s office did not immediately dispute the CNN report.

    “The Office of the Secretary of State cannot confirm the information included in the CNN article,” Wyman spokesperson Kylee Zabel said in an email.

    Wyman didn’t respond to interview requests, and Zabel said she would not be available on Monday. Potential appointees in presidential administrations are often told not to talk until their role is formally announced.

    If she does take the new position, Wyman would be charged with leading election-security efforts at DHS’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, CNN reported, saying the appointment would not be official until White House paperwork is completed.

    The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

    The reported appointment would put Wyman, a nationally regarded expert on mail-in balloting and security, in a position working with elections officials across the U.S. at a time when many of her fellow Republicans have followed former President Donald Trump in fanning baseless conspiracy theories about the 2020 election.

    Wyman has pushed back forcibly against such fraud claims, publicly criticizing the recent “audit” of votes in Arizona’s Maricopa County as “political theater.” She has defended mail balloting as secure and rejected claims by Washington’s 2020 GOP gubernatorial candidate Loren Culp, who filed a lawsuit alleging fraud but dropped it after his attorney was threatened with legal sanctions.

    Wyman served as Thurston County auditor for a decade before winning election as Secretary of State in 2012. She was reelected in 2016 and 2020. She is the sole remaining Republican to hold statewide office in Washington.

    Her departure could give Democrats a leg up at claiming the secretary of state office that has eluded them for decades.

    Upon Wyman’s resignation, a temporary successor would be named by Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat.

    That appointee would serve until the next general election in November 2022, according to Inslee deputy general counsel Taylor Wonhoff, who cited a 2013 legal memo from the state attorney general’s office.

    The winning candidate in the 2022 election would serve out the remainder of Wyman’s term through 2024.
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

    Probably buffering. I am certainly behind live, as can be seen by Betfair price changes foretelling the action.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    Nonsense. Her negativity is always 100%.
    R started falling long before the half term. I am still trying to get the latest data from the API - bloody idiots ad DDOSing it - but the see yesterdays here

    https://i.imgur.com/9Y4tV5H.png
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ratters said:

    It seems clear we're gone past the peak of this mini-wave, but it's not yet obious whether we'll see a sustained fall or further peaks and troughs within the 25k-50k range.

    My guess is the latter, which is still manageable. Even if we have to endure clamouring for Plan B / lockdown every time we're on an upwards trend.

    My guess (and I will admit to being a bit of an optimist) is that so long as the government actually encourages everyone to get boosters, then we should see incidence drop to the sub 5k level, with occasional hotspots flaring up.
    Not allowed if you're under 50 in the UK (for most people).
    When there is no issue with vaccine availability, I find artificial barriers to demand very odd.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    RobD said:

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    Someone wouldn't lie on the internet to further their agenda, would they?
    I am on the internet to spread Revealed Truth
    You are furthering an Agenda
    He is spreading Extremism
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    Someone wouldn't lie on the internet to further their agenda, would they?
    I am on the internet to spread Revealed Truth
    You are furthering an Agenda
    He is spreading Extremism
    Not the best example.

    I would steer a million miles clear of anyone spreading the Revealed Truth.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364

    RobD said:

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    Someone wouldn't lie on the internet to further their agenda, would they?
    I am on the internet to spread Revealed Truth
    You are furthering an Agenda
    He is spreading Extremism
    And I make AWESOME PUNS.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364
    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236

    RobD said:

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    Someone wouldn't lie on the internet to further their agenda, would they?
    I am on the internet to spread Revealed Truth
    You are furthering an Agenda
    He is spreading Extremism
    Not the best example.

    I would steer a million miles clear of anyone spreading the Revealed Truth.
    But I know the Revealed Truth.

    God told me. Personally, and everything.

    Note: My favourite character in the Bible is John the Baptist. A rare thing - the guy who shouts "God told me who your leader should be - *him*"
  • OT mildly amusing race name in Ireland: 3.30 at the Curragh, the Paddy Power "I'd love a pint but I forgot my covid cert" handicap.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,393
    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    It’s called weather.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    Which, according to many on here, should be constantly. So no change.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    Was rowing on the Tideway, yesterday evening. Pitch black and all the muppets were charging around at 20 knots....

    Anyway, it was a while before I realised what was wrong - I was not freezing to death on the river, in November (nearly).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,988
    New: Government u-turns on sewage amendment. Says the Environment Bill will be further strengthened with an amendment that will see “a duty enshrined in law to ensure water companies secure a progressive reduction in the adverse impacts of discharges from storm overflows.”
    https://twitter.com/Laura_K_Hughes/status/1453039095387758597
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364

    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    It’s called weather.
    It’s not weather, it’s whether or not it’s a problem.
  • Scott_xP said:

    New: Government u-turns on sewage amendment. Says the Environment Bill will be further strengthened with an amendment that will see “a duty enshrined in law to ensure water companies secure a progressive reduction in the adverse impacts of discharges from storm overflows.”
    https://twitter.com/Laura_K_Hughes/status/1453039095387758597

    Sensible
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Can't Wake The Drake.

    Will someone sort out the data shambles in Wales FFS? Th numbers look good but who really knows?

    The Drake is Baked. The Data is Fake.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897
    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    It is 15 degrees celsius here in Epping, hardly Marbella. Pretty standard for autumn really
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    Which, according to many on here, should be constantly. So no change.
    It's not much war as really, really aggressive sailing holidays and beach towel laying out*.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife_(1797)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364

    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    Was rowing on the Tideway, yesterday evening. Pitch black and all the muppets were charging around at 20 knots....

    Anyway, it was a while before I realised what was wrong - I was not freezing to death on the river, in November (nearly).
    I’ve just been out for a quick bike ride (only 11 miles) and I wasn’t cold even when I cranked up the pace going downhill.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    Better get your wallet ready then
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    We're always at war with France!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    Yes.

    You should be in Wales.
    Well, yes, but apart from that killer line, I was thinking of the actual temperature.

    Dipping a bit now the sun’s setting.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    I see there has been some chatter earlier and yesterday regarding vaxports and other ways to nobble and sneer those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.

    Here is an interesting piece from Nature, citing a recent study:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

    “People who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot.”

    The article goes on to say:

    1) those infected with Delta have roughly the same levels of viral genetic materials in their noses regardless of whether they’d previously been vaccinated.

    2) Though this shows that vaccinated and unvaccinated people might be infectious, studies also suggest that infected vaccinated people are less likely to spread the virus if they subsequently catch Delta because their nasal virus drop faster than do those of unvaccinated infected people and their nasal swabs contain smaller amounts of pathogen.

    I’m concerned that it has taken hold that the chance of catching Covid from an unvaccinated person is very high indeed whereas the chance of catching it from a vaccinated person is very low indeed (nil even). This is wrong and is adding to:

    a) the unreasonable demonisation of those people who have elected not to have the vaccine and

    b) an inflated belief that vaxports and other life-hampering initiatives are the answer.

    This is partly displacement activity, of course, to avoid the truth that we need to learn to live with a new endemic threat in life.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    felix said:

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    We're always at war with France!
    Well, we have been at ware with France for most of the last thousand years - with some generous intervals for tea, admitedly.

    One the other hand there have been a couple of family squabbles with the Germans, I believe.
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

    Probably buffering. I am certainly behind live, as can be seen by Betfair price changes foretelling the action.
    Bit of a wobble from la Radacanu. Still ahead but out to 1.23 in the betting, which is longer than her pre-match price.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364

    felix said:

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    We're always at war with France!
    Well, we have been at ware with France for most of the last thousand years - with some generous intervals for tea, admitedly.
    Best one being Picquigny 1475 of course.
  • Stocky said:

    I see there has been some chatter earlier and yesterday regarding vaxports and other ways to nobble and sneer those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.

    Here is an interesting piece from Nature, citing a recent study:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

    “People who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot.”

    The article goes on to say:

    1) those infected with Delta have roughly the same levels of viral genetic materials in their noses regardless of whether they’d previously been vaccinated.

    2) Though this shows that vaccinated and unvaccinated people might be infectious, studies also suggest that infected vaccinated people are less likely to spread the virus if they subsequently catch Delta because their nasal virus drop faster than do those of unvaccinated infected people and their nasal swabs contain smaller amounts of pathogen.

    I’m concerned that it has taken hold that the chance of catching Covid from an unvaccinated person is very high indeed whereas the chance of catching it from a vaccinated person is very low indeed (nil even). This is wrong and is adding to:

    a) the unreasonable demonisation of those people who have elected not to have the vaccine and

    b) an inflated belief that vaxports and other life-hampering initiatives are the answer.

    This is partly displacement activity, of course, to avoid the truth that we need to learn to live with a new endemic threat in life.

    And to be fair that comes through vaccination just as flu does
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    RobD said:

    Could the Speaker cancel the Budget?

    MPs are suspicious that Lindsay Hoyle is up to something


    Lindsay Hoyle is, to put it mildly, on the warpath. The Speaker is now giving almost daily statements in which he complains about the government's habit of making announcements to the media rather than in parliament.

    Last week he was furious that Health Secretary Sajid Javid had held a Downing Street press briefing on Covid instead of coming to the Commons. Yesterday he granted four urgent questions as punishment for the latest round of briefings. Today he was back fulminating again, telling the chamber that the government was breaking its own ministerial code by giving Budget announcements to the press first. He continued:

    “I want the House and especially the government to be clear if the government continues to treat this House in a discourteous manner, I will do everything in my power to ensure ministers are called here at the earliest opportunity to explain themselves."

    This might, to an outsider, sound a bit like someone complaining about being NFI to a party, but it is important. Not only is it in the government's own code of practice for ministers, but it is also a principle that MPs are the most important representatives of the electorate rather than the press (as much as it pains a journalist to admit this). As one very annoyed senior Tory backbencher puts it, 'it sends a strong message that your MP doesn't matter unless they are a minister'. It is something that I understand Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has had to repeatedly remind government colleagues of, particularly when the Commons wasn't functioning normally because of Covid restrictions. His argument has been that the government's entire mandate comes from having a majority in parliament.


    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-speaker-cancel-the-budget-

    Would this mean an end to income tax? ;)
    Works for me.

    Income tax should only be levied when we're at war with France.
    Which, according to many on here, should be constantly. So no change.
    It's not much war as really, really aggressive sailing holidays and beach towel laying out*.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife_(1797)
    It seems there have been 3 battles of Santa Cruz. Spain 2-1 up.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ratters said:

    It seems clear we're gone past the peak of this mini-wave, but it's not yet obious whether we'll see a sustained fall or further peaks and troughs within the 25k-50k range.

    My guess is the latter, which is still manageable. Even if we have to endure clamouring for Plan B / lockdown every time we're on an upwards trend.

    My guess (and I will admit to being a bit of an optimist) is that so long as the government actually encourages everyone to get boosters, then we should see incidence drop to the sub 5k level, with occasional hotspots flaring up.
    Not allowed if you're under 50 in the UK (for most people).
    Scotland has a category called "16+ unpaid carer" which is so loosely defined it covers a metric fuck tonnne of the population.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364
    Hercog absolutely thrashing Raducanu here. Hard to see her losing if she keeps this up.
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

    Probably buffering. I am certainly behind live, as can be seen by Betfair price changes foretelling the action.
    Bit of a wobble from la Radacanu. Still ahead but out to 1.23 in the betting, which is longer than her pre-match price.
    Emma out to 1.44.
  • Brenda pulls out of the COP26.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    How are you calculating positivity, are you able to break it down by region? As on the Covid dash board quite a few regions seem to be at or above 10%
  • I've now read the full Standards Committee report on Owen Paterson. Yes, I know I need to get a life, thanks. But it's quite interesting, honestly. Two things stand out:

    1. His arrogance - essentially, without being explicit, he argues that he's too important and superior for the rules to apply to him.

    2. The weakness of his defence. The rules allow for lobbying/paid advocacy in exceptional circumstances, where a "serious wrong or substantial injustice" is to be averted. However, in his 24 years as an MP he has only ever pointed to such an event twice: both in the interests of the two companies for which he was a ridiculously highly paid consultant.

    Basically, he's guilty as charged, with knobs on.

    If there are any other sad losers with too much time on their hands out there, here's the link:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/290/committee-on-standards/news/158246/committee-on-standards-publish-report-on-the-conduct-of-rt-hon-owen-paterson-mp/

    He's acting like a complete dick.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    I've now read the full Standards Committee report on Owen Paterson. Yes, I know I need to get a life, thanks. But it's quite interesting, honestly. In the interests of public service, there follows a very brief summary. Two things stand out:

    1. His arrogance - essentially, without being explicit, he argues that he's too important and superior for the rules to apply to him.

    2. The weakness of his defence. The rules allow for lobbying/paid advocacy in exceptional circumstances, where a "serious wrong or substantial injustice" is to be averted. However, in his 24 years as an MP he has only ever pointed to such an event twice: both in the interests of the two companies for which he was a ridiculously highly paid consultant.

    Basically, he's guilty as charged, with knobs on.

    If there are any other sad losers with too much time on their hands out there, here's the link:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/290/committee-on-standards/news/158246/committee-on-standards-publish-report-on-the-conduct-of-rt-hon-owen-paterson-mp/

    If the process was flawed, as it's being argued by some, then he has grounds for appeal. We'll soon see if this is all bluster.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    Alistair said:

    RobD said:


    Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    While I expect cases to plateau or fall a bit due to half term breaking chains of transmission, the falls *right now* are likely due to less testing cos people are away / not at school.
    v rough calc: 10% +ve rate and 100K fewer tests ~ 10K cases shortfall. 1/2

    Positivity is at 10%?
    No, it isn't

    image
    How are you calculating positivity, are you able to break it down by region? As on the Covid dash board quite a few regions seem to be at or above 10%
    Total positive results against total tests.

    Yes, there are regions above 10%, also regions on a lot less.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,604
    Belgium has declared a health state of emergency and is mandating masks inside.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,372
    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Hope we still get the holiday next year.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,393
    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Seems likely. Fair enough it’s private, but the slow drop of information isn’t helping.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Yes

    It was always bound to start this way - precautionary hospitalisations, ordered to rest by doctors, etc. Plus I dunno what the stats are but there's a strong folk belief the demise of one of a long marriage happens the demise of the other.
  • ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Yeah.

    I know it used to be impolite (and illegal) to talk about the death of a monarch but there's plenty of evidence out there when one half of a long standing couple dies the other one goes not so long afterwards.

    There was a story in The Sunday Times saying for future events the Queen will be accompanied by one of her children or the Duke of Cambridge so if she has to cancel at the last moment there will be a senior royal on hand to ensure the event happens and the attendees aren't left disappointed.

    That's a great big red flag for me.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Yes

    It was always bound to start this way - precautionary hospitalisations, ordered to rest by doctors, etc. Plus I dunno what the stats are but there's a strong folk belief the demise of one of a long marriage happens the demise of the other.
    Hastens
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213

    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    It’s called weather.
    Yes quite. Weather x 50 years? = climate.

    In any case it's damned cold here in the Midlands. As it has been pretty much all summer, starting with a poor June:

    https://mkweather.com/the-coldest-june-times-in-the-uk-in-30-years-scotland-33c-england-14c-only-23c-from-all-time-june-national-record/
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    RobD said:

    I've now read the full Standards Committee report on Owen Paterson. Yes, I know I need to get a life, thanks. But it's quite interesting, honestly. In the interests of public service, there follows a very brief summary. Two things stand out:

    1. His arrogance - essentially, without being explicit, he argues that he's too important and superior for the rules to apply to him.

    2. The weakness of his defence. The rules allow for lobbying/paid advocacy in exceptional circumstances, where a "serious wrong or substantial injustice" is to be averted. However, in his 24 years as an MP he has only ever pointed to such an event twice: both in the interests of the two companies for which he was a ridiculously highly paid consultant.

    Basically, he's guilty as charged, with knobs on.

    If there are any other sad losers with too much time on their hands out there, here's the link:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/290/committee-on-standards/news/158246/committee-on-standards-publish-report-on-the-conduct-of-rt-hon-owen-paterson-mp/

    If the process was flawed, as it's being argued by some, then he has grounds for appeal. We'll soon see if this is all bluster.
    His argument that the process was flawed is covered comprehensively in the full report. It doesn't look to me like he has a leg to stand on. Remember, it's not an adversarial court hearing; it's a parliamentary inquiry. Paterson seems to think it should be the same as a criminal hearing, but it isn't. I'm not sure if he can appeal or not.
  • Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Hope we still get the holiday next year.
    Excuse my ignorance but who is Brenda
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

    Probably buffering. I am certainly behind live, as can be seen by Betfair price changes foretelling the action.
    Bit of a wobble from la Radacanu. Still ahead but out to 1.23 in the betting, which is longer than her pre-match price.
    Emma out to 1.44.
    Emma 2.16 after losing the first set.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Hope we still get the holiday next year.
    Excuse my ignorance but who is Brenda
    Her Majesty
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    RobD said:

    I've now read the full Standards Committee report on Owen Paterson. Yes, I know I need to get a life, thanks. But it's quite interesting, honestly. In the interests of public service, there follows a very brief summary. Two things stand out:

    1. His arrogance - essentially, without being explicit, he argues that he's too important and superior for the rules to apply to him.

    2. The weakness of his defence. The rules allow for lobbying/paid advocacy in exceptional circumstances, where a "serious wrong or substantial injustice" is to be averted. However, in his 24 years as an MP he has only ever pointed to such an event twice: both in the interests of the two companies for which he was a ridiculously highly paid consultant.

    Basically, he's guilty as charged, with knobs on.

    If there are any other sad losers with too much time on their hands out there, here's the link:

    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/290/committee-on-standards/news/158246/committee-on-standards-publish-report-on-the-conduct-of-rt-hon-owen-paterson-mp/

    If the process was flawed, as it's being argued by some, then he has grounds for appeal. We'll soon see if this is all bluster.
    His argument that the process was flawed is covered comprehensively in the full report. It doesn't look to me like he has a leg to stand on. Remember, it's not an adversarial court hearing; it's a parliamentary inquiry. Paterson seems to think it should be the same as a criminal hearing, but it isn't. I'm not sure if he can appeal or not.
    Then bluster it is.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    Belgium has declared a health state of emergency and is mandating masks inside.

    When did Boris annex Belgium?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Hope we still get the holiday next year.
    Excuse my ignorance but who is Brenda
    Her Majesty
    Of course - my age does catch me out at times
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Carnyx said:

    Spaghetti is my favourite vegetable


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVo_wkxH9dU

    The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is made from wheat flour and water; a number of viewers afterwards contacted the BBC for advice on growing their own spaghetti trees. Decades later, CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
    I tried growing vegetable spaghetti on the allotment once.

    https://www.suttons.co.uk/vegetable-seeds/popular-seeds/squash-seeds-vegetable-spaghetti_MH-28900
    Spaghetti squash grow like a weed here.
  • ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Yeah.

    I know it used to be impolite (and illegal) to talk about the death of a monarch but there's plenty of evidence out there when one half of a long standing couple dies the other one goes not so long afterwards.

    There was a story in The Sunday Times saying for future events the Queen will be accompanied by one of her children or the Duke of Cambridge so if she has to cancel at the last moment there will be a senior royal on hand to ensure the event happens and the attendees aren't left disappointed.

    That's a great big red flag for me.
    There is a lot of truth in that
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    RobD said:

    Belgium has declared a health state of emergency and is mandating masks inside.

    When did Boris annex Belgium?
    The Germans borrowed them twice, so it only seemed fair.....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    edited October 2021

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

    Probably buffering. I am certainly behind live, as can be seen by Betfair price changes foretelling the action.
    Bit of a wobble from la Radacanu. Still ahead but out to 1.23 in the betting, which is longer than her pre-match price.
    Emma out to 1.44.
    Emma 2.16 after losing the first set.
    Uvavu!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,393

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Hope we still get the holiday next year.
    Excuse my ignorance but who is Brenda
    HRH the Queen.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,393

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Anyone else got Raducanu on Amazon video? The sound keeps breaking up - is it the broadcast or my own set up?

    Fine here.
    It's got better for me too.

    Probably buffering. I am certainly behind live, as can be seen by Betfair price changes foretelling the action.
    Bit of a wobble from la Radacanu. Still ahead but out to 1.23 in the betting, which is longer than her pre-match price.
    Emma out to 1.44.
    Emma 2.16 after losing the first set.
    Uvavu!
    She really, really needs to find a coach.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    When I hear heavy engines overhead, I look up to see how many helicopters. We are on the direct route from the White House to Camp David. If there are 3, we assume the President is travelling. Just now, I looked up. Not the usual 3 heavy helicopters, but 3 Ospreys. Quite a sight at only a couple of thousand feet.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,627
    edited October 2021
    To be fair, the Queen might be in the best of health and just wanted an excuse to not go to Glasgow.

    Last time I went to Glasgow the food was so bad I'd rather eat the shavings from a ped egg.
  • Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Why is you calling her "Brenda"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    UK cases by specimen date

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    UK case by specimen date and scaled to 100K

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897

    ydoethur said:

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Umph. There’s something we’re not being told, isn’t there?
    Yeah.

    I know it used to be impolite (and illegal) to talk about the death of a monarch but there's plenty of evidence out there when one half of a long standing couple dies the other one goes not so long afterwards.

    There was a story in The Sunday Times saying for future events the Queen will be accompanied by one of her children or the Duke of Cambridge so if she has to cancel at the last moment there will be a senior royal on hand to ensure the event happens and the attendees aren't left disappointed.

    That's a great big red flag for me.
    She will still be joining by videolink.

    She is also 95, already 14 years older than the average UK life expectancy.

    Hopefully she will go on as long as possible but realistically Charles will become King and William Prince of Wales within 5-10 years
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    UK Local R

    Seems to have peaked on the 16th

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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,364
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants proof of global warming:

    I am sitting outside.

    In shorts and a T shirt.

    At the end of October.

    In England.

    And I’m perfectly comfortable.

    There is something very wrong here.

    Get out of the jacuzzi, then see how you like it.

    I am now trying to remember when I was last in a jacuzzi.

    I think it was on a school trip to Heidelberg in 1996.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    UK case summary

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    UK hospitals

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  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Brenda pulls out of the COP26.

    Why is you calling her "Brenda"?
    I think that is an old Private Eye running gag
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    UK deaths

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