So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
I imagine it will be fairly routine in the future for people to get home, park up, plug their car in then have it charged overnight at the cheapest possible time. That will share the load through the night.
If everyone got home, plugged their car in and immediately charged up simultaneously in the early evening right when demand peaks then that wouldn't be sensible.
Managing this smartly is entirely joined-up thinking. Spreading demand could be easier than spreading production.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
If everyone in the county switches on their electric oven at the same time, the grid will go down.
Similar thing here.
The National Grid work out what is necessary to supply electricity for everyone's Christmas Dinner, or post-Eastenders cup of tea. They don't remotely switch off your oven or kettle.
It makes sense to shift charging of cars at home to overnight rather than the evening, but they can find a more friendly and democratic way of achieving the same aim than remotely turning chargers off by force of law.
It's this sort of nonsense that has me still avoid the installation of a smart meter.
But you get anomalies like night shift workers who would need to charge during the day if they cannot access a charger at work.
I really do not like the idea of smart meters but I suspect in the future we will all have To have them.
Yes, and the exceptions are why you shouldn't try to enforce a one size fits all solution by force of law.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
I imagine it will be fairly routine in the future for people to get home, park up, plug their car in then have it charged overnight at the cheapest possible time. That will share the load through the night.
If everyone got home, plugged their car in and immediately charged up simultaneously in the early evening right when demand peaks then that wouldn't be sensible.
Managing this smartly is entirely joined-up thinking. Spreading demand could be easier than spreading production.
Should be pretty simple, when you plug your car in, you program the car/meter with how much range you want, and when you want it by and let the grid do the rest. A small top up overnight should cost less per kWh/mile than a *full charge ASAP*
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
Sprouts are worse. They are the Devil's Droppings.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
Have you tried it without a vengeance? It can be quite nice when not overcooked?
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
I imagine it will be fairly routine in the future for people to get home, park up, plug their car in then have it charged overnight at the cheapest possible time. That will share the load through the night.
If everyone got home, plugged their car in and immediately charged up simultaneously in the early evening right when demand peaks then that wouldn't be sensible.
Managing this smartly is entirely joined-up thinking. Spreading demand could be easier than spreading production.
Should be pretty simple, when you plug your car in, you program the car/meter with how much range you want, and when you want it by and let the grid do the rest. A small top up overnight should cost less per kWh than a *full charge ASAP*
I would imagine it should be possible to set a default, eg as cheap as possible a top-up to a minimum range with a top-up to fully charged if its cheap enough.
For the rare times you want a full charge ASAP then you can do an override.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
What, you mean you're not a Guardian reader? Who'd have thought it?
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
Sprouts are worse. They are the Devil's Droppings.
Nail hit on head.
M & S's Mexican Three Bean Salad is the Devil's Diarrhea.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
But Cookie's broader point was surely related to buyers and consumers of all fruit and vegetables, not merely broccoli eaters, and you freely admit to disliking most vegetables, even if broccoli is an exception. I would therefore argue that you prove Cookie's wider hypothesis. (I should add, I am a Guardian reader and like vegetables, although I don't buy many from the supermarket as we have an organic box delivered weekly by Abel and Cole, natch).
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
What, you mean you're not a Guardian reader? Who'd have thought it?
Based on links posted here, I've always thought most of the lefties spend their time reading the Mail and Express in search of outrage/something to mock and the righties the Guardian, for the same reason. Was I wrong all along?
The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is made from wheat flour and water; a number of viewers afterwards contacted the BBC for advice on growing their own spaghetti trees. Decades later, CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
A US investor is claiming that technologies like blockchain will 'bend the curve' on inflation. Any ideas on how blockchain can influence an economy to the extent that it changes inflationary pressures? What productivity gains does it bring to what types of economic activities?
To be frank, I don't know enough about how blockchain works to assess this assertion.
If it's in relation to crypto-currencies then, in theory, the currency will increase in value as the supply decreases owing to people forgetting their passwords, dying etc. and leaving the currencies languishing in virtual vaults never to be used again. Is that what he meant?
The investor made her claim with reference to the technology, not to cryptocurrencies, and so I was wonder whether blockchains had other economic usefulness which might have a macroeconomic impact.
There are lots of uses for blockchains, and I have no doubt they will be economically helpful in areas like insurance.
However, I cannot think of any macroeconomic impacts that would be sufficient to affect the inflation rate.
It could potentially reduce inflationary pressure by providing a way for people to use their capital non-productively.
How would providing a way for people to use their capital non-productively reduce inflationary pressure?
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
But Cookie's broader point was surely related to buyers and consumers of all fruit and vegetables, not merely broccoli eaters, and you freely admit to disliking most vegetables, even if broccoli is an exception. I would therefore argue that you prove Cookie's wider hypothesis. (I should add, I am a Guardian reader and like vegetables, although I don't buy many from the supermarket as we have an organic box delivered weekly by Abel and Cole, natch).
Would it be mean to suggest, from their choice of recent Labour leaders, that most lefties like lemons and turnips?
Hmm Just realised that what I thought a smartmeter was for years is actually an In Home Display. And looking at what smartmeters actually look like I'm now wondering if I actually have a ~ 2015 Smartmeter in my house (I have no IHD) which functions precisely the same as a non smartmeter would.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
But Cookie's broader point was surely related to buyers and consumers of all fruit and vegetables, not merely broccoli eaters, and you freely admit to disliking most vegetables, even if broccoli is an exception. I would therefore argue that you prove Cookie's wider hypothesis. (I should add, I am a Guardian reader and like vegetables, although I don't buy many from the supermarket as we have an organic box delivered weekly by Abel and Cole, natch).
Would it be mean to suggest, from their choice of recent Labour leaders, that most lefties like lemons and turnips?
Not quite right. We chose Corbyn because he had a wide range of fruit and veg on his allotment. Though it did turn out that the turnip was dominant, sadly.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
Hugo Gye @HugoGye Word on the street is covid dashboard may be a bit late today because a new feature is being added... Eyes
Must be third doses, hopefully they make the switch to ONS population data as well. It's tiring having to explain that the dashboard data is undercounts by between 10-15% per age group under 70.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
Overnight is a long time though. And the chargers targetted here are (I assume) the fast ones that won't take all of overnight to charge a car. Overnight demand will indeed go up greatly - and may no longer be at a big discount to daytime use - but there are still many things that are needed more when people are awake: heating (at a higher level than at night, particularly relevant if that switches electric), lighting, TVs, computers, cookers, kettles. So it will make sense to charge the cars outside of peak times, whenever they are. The article states 0800-1100 and 1600-2200. There will also be a charging window in the middle of the day with peak solar, for example (most useful for those working at home or with charging at work). Having 'smart' chargers charging cars up when demand is non-peak, in the middle of the day and during sleeping hours makes sense.
If everyone in the county switches on their electric oven at the same time, the grid will go down.
Similar thing here.
The National Grid work out what is necessary to supply electricity for everyone's Christmas Dinner, or post-Eastenders cup of tea. They don't remotely switch off your oven or kettle.
It makes sense to shift charging of cars at home to overnight rather than the evening, but they can find a more friendly and democratic way of achieving the same aim than remotely turning chargers off by force of law.
It's this sort of nonsense that has me still avoid the installation of a smart meter.
But you get anomalies like night shift workers who would need to charge during the day if they cannot access a charger at work.
I really do not like the idea of smart meters but I suspect in the future we will all have To have them.
Yes, and the exceptions are why you shouldn't try to enforce a one size fits all solution by force of law.
How about we have 'on peak' and 'off peak' pricing for electricity? Electric cars (and chargers) could then be setup to prefer off peak, unless specifcally over-ridden. As everything is connected these days, the grid could broadcast when it was in an off peak or on peak state. This could also be done at a local level so as to minimise transmission losses, and to prevent every car in the whole country starting to charge similtaneously.
We could call it something like... Electricity Seven...
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
Also in a smart grid environment I imagine it would be adaptable so if the winds or waves were generating more energy today at 2am, with a lull in generation at 4am, then more vehicles could be charged at 2am.
If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The only thing I'm looking forwards to about visiting my mother in law on Switzerland is getting my booster shot there as I'm eligible for a first dose.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
And I love broccoli. Its one of the only vegetables I like.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
But Cookie's broader point was surely related to buyers and consumers of all fruit and vegetables, not merely broccoli eaters, and you freely admit to disliking most vegetables, even if broccoli is an exception. I would therefore argue that you prove Cookie's wider hypothesis. (I should add, I am a Guardian reader and like vegetables, although I don't buy many from the supermarket as we have an organic box delivered weekly by Abel and Cole, natch).
Would it be mean to suggest, from their choice of recent Labour leaders, that most lefties like lemons and turnips?
No meaner than suggesting that most righties like fat sacks of jizz (TM Dura_Ace).
Hugo Gye @HugoGye Word on the street is covid dashboard may be a bit late today because a new feature is being added... Eyes
Must be third doses, hopefully they make the switch to ONS population data as well. It's tiring having to explain that the dashboard data is undercounts by between 10-15% per age group under 70.
Is the case count total covid infections, or the total number of people that have ever had Covid ?
As we're up to 8 million cases, presumably there are some reinfections now ?
I don't mind which is displayed, but the dashboard isn't 100% clear.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
Also in a smart grid environment I imagine it would be adaptable so if the winds or waves were generating more energy today at 2am, with a lull in generation at 4am, then more vehicles could be charged at 2am.
If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
Exactly. The grid would broadcast when it had excess generating capacity.
If you want to do it properly, you might have three different levels: super peak (i.e. we're approaching capacity), regular and peak, and off peak.
People could be paid by the grid to automatically turn down air conditioners, lights, etc., when the grid was in a super peak state.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
Also in a smart grid environment I imagine it would be adaptable so if the winds or waves were generating more energy today at 2am, with a lull in generation at 4am, then more vehicles could be charged at 2am.
If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
All sounds lovely, but also a putting a quart in a pint pot scenario.
If everyone in the county switches on their electric oven at the same time, the grid will go down.
Similar thing here.
The National Grid work out what is necessary to supply electricity for everyone's Christmas Dinner, or post-Eastenders cup of tea. They don't remotely switch off your oven or kettle.
It makes sense to shift charging of cars at home to overnight rather than the evening, but they can find a more friendly and democratic way of achieving the same aim than remotely turning chargers off by force of law.
It's this sort of nonsense that has me still avoid the installation of a smart meter.
But you get anomalies like night shift workers who would need to charge during the day if they cannot access a charger at work.
I really do not like the idea of smart meters but I suspect in the future we will all have To have them.
Yes, and the exceptions are why you shouldn't try to enforce a one size fits all solution by force of law.
How about we have 'on peak' and 'off peak' pricing for electricity? Electric cars (and chargers) could then be setup to prefer off peak, unless specifcally over-ridden. As everything is connected these days, the grid could broadcast when it was in an off peak or on peak state. This could also be done at a local level so as to minimise transmission losses, and to prevent every car in the whole country starting to charge similtaneously.
We could call it something like... Electricity Seven...
I remember economy 7, my gran had it for her storage heaters. The only downside was the day rate was higher than an ordinary tariff.
I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The only thing I'm looking forwards to about visiting my mother in law on Switzerland is getting my booster shot there as I'm eligible for a first dose.
Were you AZ first?
There's a really interesting piece of research I saw showing which booster you want, depending on which first doses you got. I'll dig it out, but the 'maximum antibody response' is either AZ followed by Moderna, or Moderna followed by Pfizer.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
I would have thought it would be better to reduce the charging current rather than staggering. That or charge stepwise (a few % at a time).
There's always a chance a car owner might have to make an emergency dash instead of following their normal pattern of usage, so leaving any car empty until much later might be a problem.
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The only thing I'm looking forwards to about visiting my mother in law on Switzerland is getting my booster shot there as I'm eligible for a first dose.
I've forwarded this exchange to your mother in law.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
I would have thought that overnight demad would still be low as cooking, heating and factories are usually not consuming then.
I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The only thing I'm looking forwards to about visiting my mother in law on Switzerland is getting my booster shot there as I'm eligible for a first dose.
Were you AZ first?
There's a really interesting piece of research I saw showing which booster you want, depending on which first doses you got. I'll dig it out, but the 'maximum antibody response' is either AZ followed by Moderna, or Moderna followed by Pfizer.
Pfizer, Switzerland is mostly doing Moderna aiui. My wife is Moderna.
I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The only thing I'm looking forwards to about visiting my mother in law on Switzerland is getting my booster shot there as I'm eligible for a first dose.
I've forwarded this exchange to your mother in law.
This may have been mentioned already but Prime video subscribers can watch Emma playing this afternoon. NB 16:00 but probs a bit later as match before wont be on court for a few mins yet.
And just for you all you Punsters out there, she is playing in Romania at the Transylvania Open. Got to be something for you to get your teeth into there. (and apologies if that's been done already too).
I just bought a bar of Tony's chocolate to show my support for Emma. Which brings me to:- Sainsbury's sitrep: about 70 per cent masked; massive gaps on shelves but perhaps this is due in part to rearranging stock to make room for Christmas, even though we still have halloween and Diwali to come in the next week or so.
Also the council is digging up the zebra crossing by the school near the fish and chip shop. No idea why.
I was slightly taken aback in Sale earlier at how many people were masked in the fruit and vegetables section - which is the first bit you come to when you come out of the lift*. Around 70-80%. Which is a lot more than previously. This was not, however, echoed in the rest of the supermarket - overall levels were about 25%, which is normal. Either fruit and vegetable shoppers are much more cautious than others (possible - it's only a small step from buying some broccoli to reading the Guardian) or a lesson in the potential hazards of small subsections.
*The car park of this Tesco is on the roof, with a lift down to the store. For over a year the lifts have been limited to one family at a time. The signs setting this out have recently been removed - creating another potential source of covid related awkwardness. If there is someone in the lift but a space for you, do you enter it too? Or not? As you would expect, the not-masked are also more content to enter a lift you are already in; the masked hang back and wait for the next one.
You're wrong. I'm a Guardian reader. I hate broccoli with a vengeance; it's Satan's vegetable.
Sprouts are worse. They are the Devil's Droppings.
Nail hit on head.
M & S's Mexican Three Bean Salad is the Devil's Diarrhea.
that's enough to make a sinner lower their expectations.
Apparently a triple-helping from Wales. Good solid 4.5K case drop in England from last week.
It's not really triple, though, because of a flagging issue. They explain that the true number of new cases is ~8,000 of which only 5,288 appear in the table.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
I would have thought it would be better to reduce the charging current rather than staggering. That or charge stepwise (a few % at a time).
There's always a chance a car owner might have to make an emergency dash instead of following their normal pattern of usage, so leaving any car empty until much later might be a problem.
Could also be easily implemented with connected chargers. Probably need to have a few settings in the cars and sensible defaults. Cars with under X range, for example, get some priority. You can get priority charging by paying a bit more or allow yourself to be de-prioritised and pay a bit less, all within pre-defined limits.
All this, of course, applies to other stuff like home appliances and is supposed to be the smart-metering dream. We'll need to realise that dream to make more efficient use of energy, particularly with fluctuating supplies if we want to minimise on demand gas power station use etc.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
Apparently a triple-helping from Wales. Good solid 4.5K case drop in England from last week.
Cases aren't high enough for a triple helping unless the case rate has collapsed in Wales.
"Because of technical issues at Public Health Wales yesterday, the cases and deaths reported today cover a 72-hour period. However, due to further technical issues, not all cases in the 72-hour period have been flagged as new. The true number of new cases since the previous update is likely to be just over 8,000. The cumulative total is unaffected by this reporting issue."
Interesting piece on the ability of the super-rich to reduce their tax burden by realising income through capital gains. Apparently those with incomes over £9mn a year are paying an effective tax rate of just 21%. That's about half of mine. Not amused!
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
"Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day"
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
Apparently a triple-helping from Wales. Good solid 4.5K case drop in England from last week.
Cases aren't high enough for a triple helping unless the case rate has collapsed in Wales.
"Because of technical issues at Public Health Wales yesterday, the cases and deaths reported today cover a 72-hour period. However, due to further technical issues, not all cases in the 72-hour period have been flagged as new. The true number of new cases since the previous update is likely to be just over 8,000. The cumulative total is unaffected by this reporting issue."
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
In a smart grid environment, you would have the cars staggered through the night, so everyone would wake up with a full tank of electrons, but not every car was charging between 8pm and 11pm.
I would have thought it would be better to reduce the charging current rather than staggering. That or charge stepwise (a few % at a time).
There's always a chance a car owner might have to make an emergency dash instead of following their normal pattern of usage, so leaving any car empty until much later might be a problem.
So, I have had an electric car since the original Tesla Roadster in 2010 (wow).
Most days when you get home, the car is at 70% or so, and so you plug it in. It then charges to 85% (which is the limit you set to maximise battery life).
The only times you let an electric car go to zero is if you have been on a roadtrip.
My current electric car is setup to work with smart grids (albeit my part of California doesn't have one).
In the car, you have various settings (all of which can be changed or overridden on a one-off basis):
- a 'charge to this level no matter what the price of electricity is' setting - a 'this is the time by which I need my car charged' setting - a 'charge to this level for everyday use' setting
So, you might have it set to charge to 40% as quickly as possible and irrespective of the price of electricity, a 8am time to be charged by, and a 85% target charge rate.
Interesting piece on the ability of the super-rich to reduce their tax burden by realising income through capital gains. Apparently those with incomes over £9mn a year are paying an effective tax rate of just 21%. That's about half of mine. Not amused!
Interesting piece on the ability of the super-rich to reduce their tax burden by realising income through capital gains. Apparently those with incomes over £9mn a year are paying an effective tax rate of just 21%. That's about half of mine. Not amused!
I dare say you're not surprised either.
Not entirely, although the extent of the difference between their tax rate and my own is bigger than I would have expected. Perhaps that is a mark of naivety on my part.
How has the government so comprehensively fucked this up. They should have introduced vaxports ten weeks ago. And now we’d be free. Fucking cretins
No. No. No.
Whether you like it or not, I’m right. We need 85% of the country vaxxed. That hasn’t happened because we’ve let refuseniks like Dura Ace live normally.
Now we approach another lockdown, a much greater imposition on our liberty - and economy - and mental health - than a bloody online certificate of vaccination
We’re really not approaching another lockdown. Chill.
The news - everywhere - suggests otherwise. This looks very much like another belated panicky handbrake turn by Boris
I hope half term slows the growth and I’m proven wrong.
They should bring in vaxports anyway. Everywhere else is doing it, so it will be the only way of ever travelling
You're forgetting that @Cookie was on here yesterday 'proving' that we passed the peak earlier this week.
I don't always notice the notifications on vanilla that I've been @'d. But I've just noticed the above from a couple of nights ago, and *cough*toldyouso*cough* thought it relevant in the context of today's figures.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
"Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day"
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
"Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day"
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
If your vehicle has a range of 250 miles, then 20% of that is 50 miles a day.
The average number of miles per year is about 7,400 in the UK. But the median is under that - so probably around 5,500.
That means that most cars are driven 30 miles a day or less.
Of course there is a subset of users who drive a lot: sales reps, taxi drivers, etc. But they aren't most. And for some of the people (particularly the sales reps), electric cars are clearly not the right option.
It seems clear we're gone past the peak of this mini-wave, but it's not yet obious whether we'll see a sustained fall or further peaks and troughs within the 25k-50k range.
My guess is the latter, which is still manageable. Even if we have to endure clamouring for Plan B / lockdown every time we're on an upwards trend.
I got my Covid booster shot yesterday. It was a half dose of Moderna.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The only thing I'm looking forwards to about visiting my mother in law on Switzerland is getting my booster shot there as I'm eligible for a first dose.
Were you AZ first?
There's a really interesting piece of research I saw showing which booster you want, depending on which first doses you got. I'll dig it out, but the 'maximum antibody response' is either AZ followed by Moderna, or Moderna followed by Pfizer.
Pfizer, Switzerland is mostly doing Moderna aiui. My wife is Moderna.
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
Tony Idiot Livesy on R5 still cannot understand the weekly covid cycle - 'cases up today on yesterday' FFS. How, 18 months in, do we still have this shit?
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
"Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day"
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is made from wheat flour and water; a number of viewers afterwards contacted the BBC for advice on growing their own spaghetti trees. Decades later, CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
I tried growing vegetable spaghetti on the allotment once.
The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is made from wheat flour and water; a number of viewers afterwards contacted the BBC for advice on growing their own spaghetti trees. Decades later, CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
I tried growing vegetable spaghetti on the allotment once.
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
Tony Idiot Livesy on R5 still cannot understand...
Of course he can't. His whole thing is being an amiable idiot.
Chancellor's pre budget footwear getting such much warranted attention on the twitters Palm Angels sliders.
I wonder how many focus groups they needed to pick those out
Ugh! Men (and indeed women): do not wear socks with sliders. Indeed, if you're male, any footwear item which would fly off in the event of an air-kick is a no-no.
For a giddy moment, I thought they were 'Paris Angels' sliders and the chancellor was choosing an odd way to celebrate mid 90s indie/rave crossover.
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
Tony Idiot Livesy on R5 still cannot understand...
Of course he can't. His whole thing is being an amiable idiot.
The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is made from wheat flour and water; a number of viewers afterwards contacted the BBC for advice on growing their own spaghetti trees. Decades later, CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
I tried growing vegetable spaghetti on the allotment once.
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
Tony Idiot Livesy on R5 still cannot understand...
Of course he can't. His whole thing is being an amiable idiot.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
"Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day"
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is made from wheat flour and water; a number of viewers afterwards contacted the BBC for advice on growing their own spaghetti trees. Decades later, CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
I tried growing vegetable spaghetti on the allotment once.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
The point is to have as few peaks as possible. Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
"Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day"
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
Which is going to be less than 10% of the battery capacity of the vast majority of EVs.
Based on my current vehicle usage it would be nil during the week, then a random 50% or more at the weekend.
I don't think you're going to break the grid.
Probably not!
It is shocking how short most car journeys are, though. I wonder if this will get even worse when they can be justified as 'green'? Even less incentive to get the bike out (or just walk).
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
Tony Idiot Livesy on R5 still cannot understand the weekly covid cycle - 'cases up today on yesterday' FFS. How, 18 months in, do we still have this shit?
To bw fair during the June to July rise quite a lot of people on PB didn't understand it either.
So electric chargers will be set to by default avoid peak (most expensive) hours but that can be overrode if required?
Seems sensible, what's your issue with that?
That peaks are peaks for a reason. How would a rule that light bulbs should only be lit during the hours of daylight sound?
Except there is no similarly good reason to be charging all cars at the same time. And the total demand will be many time greater.
Most people commute, shop and travel in daylight hours and sleep overnight.
So what's your issue with by-default charging overnight while sleeping?
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
Are we perhaps at cross purposes? How is overnight going to stay off peak if 97% of car owners want to/are constrained to charge their cars then? I assume without having a clue that a days worth of car charger is more then ones other electric consumption put together
If it's being used equally throughout the day, then we won't need off-peak any more.
That will be a more efficient way to use electricity, which we will see coming.
On the other point, there is nothing to stop anyone charging their car at any time with a granny cable, or from their own solar panels / Tesla battery etc.
Interesting piece on the ability of the super-rich to reduce their tax burden by realising income through capital gains. Apparently those with incomes over £9mn a year are paying an effective tax rate of just 21%. That's about half of mine. Not amused!
40k UK cases today, so England 32k when it updates - falling again - expect front page cases to be green, and the media to go in to frenzy about a meaningless reported deaths figure after welsh and weekend catch up all converged.
Tony Idiot Livesy on R5 still cannot understand the weekly covid cycle - 'cases up today on yesterday' FFS. How, 18 months in, do we still have this shit?
To bw fair during the June to July rise quite a lot of people on PB didn't understand it either.
People on PB don't get paid to whip up panic buying comment sensibly on the news...
It seems clear we're gone past the peak of this mini-wave, but it's not yet obious whether we'll see a sustained fall or further peaks and troughs within the 25k-50k range.
My guess is the latter, which is still manageable. Even if we have to endure clamouring for Plan B / lockdown every time we're on an upwards trend.
My guess (and I will admit to being a bit of an optimist) is that so long as the government actually encourages everyone to get boosters, then we should see incidence drop to the sub 5k level, with occasional hotspots flaring up.
Quinton de Kock looks to be the new Kaepernick, excluded for refusing to take part in a mandatory political statement
Will sport in 2022 be about players getting their Kocks out before kick off in support?
Rather undermines the whole process - now it's explicit that compliance is mandatory it's impossible to know if any other player believes in it at all or is just safeguarding their career by keeping their head (and knee) down.
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If everyone got home, plugged their car in and immediately charged up simultaneously in the early evening right when demand peaks then that wouldn't be sensible.
Managing this smartly is entirely joined-up thinking. Spreading demand could be easier than spreading production.
So between us I think we disprove Cookie's hypothesis.
For the rare times you want a full charge ASAP then you can do an override.
M & S's Mexican Three Bean Salad is the Devil's Diarrhea.
With the default being able to be overrode if required.
(I should add, I am a Guardian reader and like vegetables, although I don't buy many from the supermarket as we have an organic box delivered weekly by Abel and Cole, natch).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVo_wkxH9dU
Merkel Trees are great but not new or revolutionary.
Blockchain with proof of work is an absolute disaster area of total economic insanity.
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Word on the street is covid dashboard may be a bit late today because a new feature is being added... Eyes
We could call it something like... Electricity Seven...
If a fortnight later its the other way around, then vice-versa.
Sore arm, and don't feel 100%, but generally in good shape.
Given I'm coming to the UK in a few weeks, I thought it better to be safe than sorry.
As we're up to 8 million cases, presumably there are some reinfections now ?
I don't mind which is displayed, but the dashboard isn't 100% clear.
If you want to do it properly, you might have three different levels: super peak (i.e. we're approaching capacity), regular and peak, and off peak.
People could be paid by the grid to automatically turn down air conditioners, lights, etc., when the grid was in a super peak state.
There's a really interesting piece of research I saw showing which booster you want, depending on which first doses you got. I'll dig it out, but the 'maximum antibody response' is either AZ followed by Moderna, or Moderna followed by Pfizer.
There's always a chance a car owner might have to make an emergency dash instead of following their normal pattern of usage, so leaving any car empty until much later might be a problem.
Still looking good...
Edit: (Relatively!)
So double is actually closer.
All this, of course, applies to other stuff like home appliances and is supposed to be the smart-metering dream. We'll need to realise that dream to make more efficient use of energy, particularly with fluctuating supplies if we want to minimise on demand gas power station use etc.
Only a tiny percentage of drivers will discharge more than 20% of their battery capacity on a given day, so it won't take anywhere near all night to recharge for the vast majority of drivers - but if everyone plugs in when they get home, there would be a fairly short, but huge peak in demand, if the grid were not able dynamically to stagger demand.
All this is some ways off, but the regulatory environment is required first.
Interesting piece on the ability of the super-rich to reduce their tax burden by realising income through capital gains. Apparently those with incomes over £9mn a year are paying an effective tax rate of just 21%. That's about half of mine. Not amused!
Is that true? I would be quite interested in the data.
Most days when you get home, the car is at 70% or so, and so you plug it in. It then charges to 85% (which is the limit you set to maximise battery life).
The only times you let an electric car go to zero is if you have been on a roadtrip.
My current electric car is setup to work with smart grids (albeit my part of California doesn't have one).
In the car, you have various settings (all of which can be changed or overridden on a one-off basis):
- a 'charge to this level no matter what the price of electricity is' setting
- a 'this is the time by which I need my car charged' setting
- a 'charge to this level for everyday use' setting
So, you might have it set to charge to 40% as quickly as possible and irrespective of the price of electricity, a 8am time to be charged by, and a 85% target charge rate.
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk
Which is going to be less than 10% of the battery capacity of the vast majority of EVs.
The average number of miles per year is about 7,400 in the UK. But the median is under that - so probably around 5,500.
That means that most cars are driven 30 miles a day or less.
Of course there is a subset of users who drive a lot: sales reps, taxi drivers, etc. But they aren't most. And for some of the people (particularly the sales reps), electric cars are clearly not the right option.
My guess is the latter, which is still manageable. Even if we have to endure clamouring for Plan B / lockdown every time we're on an upwards trend.
https://www.suttons.co.uk/vegetable-seeds/popular-seeds/squash-seeds-vegetable-spaghetti_MH-28900
Palm Angels sliders.
I wonder how many focus groups they needed to pick those out
That you tried growing it once suggests it wasn't a roaring success?
His whole thing is being an amiable idiot.
Men (and indeed women): do not wear socks with sliders. Indeed, if you're male, any footwear item which would fly off in the event of an air-kick is a no-no.
For a giddy moment, I thought they were 'Paris Angels' sliders and the chancellor was choosing an odd way to celebrate mid 90s indie/rave crossover.
By 2019 well over 50% were suggesting a serious decline in creativity amongst filmmakers, certainly on the big screen at least
https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1451936568025960455?s=20
You can fry it with butter.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187122/movie-releases-in-north-america-since-2001/
So creativity remained constant, while output rose ?
It is shocking how short most car journeys are, though. I wonder if this will get even worse when they can be justified as 'green'? Even less incentive to get the bike out (or just walk).
That will be a more efficient way to use electricity, which we will see coming.
On the other point, there is nothing to stop anyone charging their car at any time with a granny cable, or from their own solar panels / Tesla battery etc.
whip up panic buyingcomment sensibly on the news...3 Marvel films including the highest grossing film of all time, the DCEU, Star Wars, Frozen, and Jumanji films were released in 2019.
Does Rishi know that Palm Angel is a euphemism for onanists?
If you want originality go to TV or Netflix or Amazon Prime