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They're not keen on critical thinking. It's too much like hard work, and you don't get to feel continuous self-righteousness.SeanT said:
Yes. On this point, Corbyn is closer to the voters than the Labour right.Danny565 said:
I don't even think it's just limited to just Leave voters. IMO, even some people who grudgingly vote Remain (because they fear the consequences of leaving) will be suspicious of Labour if they seem to be slobbering unquestioning cheerleaders for the EU. Even many people who think the EU is the lesser of two evils are going to want leaders who don't just roll over to any demands.SeanT said:
Yes. Guardianista Labour snobs who sneer at eurosceptics are playing a very dangerous game.Danny565 said:
Whilst I agree, Conor Pope's sneering dismissal of the idea of wanting to leave the EU is irritating (and I would argue a potentially big political problem for Labour).Jonathan said:
Gove is articulate and gives good Newsnight, but one of those pols who appeals only to his own. He is a great recruiting sergeant for Labour.Casino_Royale said:
Says Conor Pope, a self-styled "political organization professional", and all-round Labour stooge.Scott_P said:@Conorpope: The Leave campaign need someone who can sell bad ideas to the public. Michael Gove can't even sell good ideas.
They are rattled.
Lots of working class Labour voters will be instinctively drawn to LEAVE, for perfectly respectable reasons of self interest. EU migration has hurt them more than anyone.
I would argue one of Labour's main problems at last year's election was that they were seen as too soft to put "the country" first when it was needed (hence the fear they would sell out to Scotland).....if they keep up with this talk about how Europe is such an essential thing for the country, and how it's bonkers to think anything different, then they are setting themselves up for "don't let Juncker steal your cash" posters at the next election.
Yesterday I read some article saying Labour would support EU mmbership "whatever Cameron negotiated".
So, what, even if he got a deal where poor grannies were rendered into fat, or trade unions fobidden for eternity, the Labour party would still support membership?!
It's just weird. It's like the EU has become yet ANOTHER religion for lefties, along with multiculturalism, feminism, identity politics, etc etc0 -
Argh, wife back. Have to go out for late dinner now.
Reckon Farage will be on for 20 minutes. We should know the special guest by 9.45pm.
I think..0 -
Little EnglanderTykejohnno said:Kate McCann @KateEMcCann
Davis is reading a poem at the Grassroots rally. Ends: "We are the people of England that have not spoken yet" ...0 -
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It was a joke. Not wriggling at all. Was amused by the idea if someone not getting Dickens. . Clearly I got closer to the bone than I imagined possible. Apots for offence, none was intended. To make up for it I shall henceforth imagine you dressed as Bob Cratchett.Casino_Royale said:
No it wasn't, you meant it, and are just trying to wriggle out of it now as you realise it's misfired.Jonathan said:
The Dickens point was a joke. Not funny. I admit, but a joke nonetheless. The fact you took it seriously is actually quite funny.Casino_Royale said:
No, it's not that and well you know it. Richard Nabavi and I said we didn't particularly care for Dickens. You said "typical Tories".Jonathan said:
It's not partisan bullshit, it's making the very real point that Gove doesn't add much to a Leave campaign that needs to extend its reach.Casino_Royale said:
Stop with your partisan Labour bullshit, then.Jonathan said:
The Leave campaign needs reach and gravitas. Gove adds nothing to reach,maybe a jot to gravitas, but only in comparison to Farage.Casino_Royale said:
For those who live and breathe nothing more than partisan politics, perhaps.Jonathan said:
Gove is articulate and gives good Newsnight, but one of those pols who appeals only to his own. He is a great recruiting sergeant for Labour.Casino_Royale said:
Says Conor Pope, a self-styled "political organization professional", and all-round Labour stooge.Scott_P said:@Conorpope: The Leave campaign need someone who can sell bad ideas to the public. Michael Gove can't even sell good ideas.
They are rattled.
I put my country first.
Do spare us the country first stuff. Its too early for that surely?. We all want the best for our country, we just might disagree how.
Enough.
You're in the bag, they need to attract other voters unlike you to win . Gove, bless him, doesn't offer much there.
It's a perfectly valid point.
You just can't help yourself having a dig whenever you think there's an opening, even if it's totally irrelevant and a completely innocent (and unpolitical) point of view.
You're wired like McBride.
Which is also very telling.0 -
That's funny. Ok, my point is made; I agree, let's end this. Thanks.Jonathan said:
It was a joke. Not wriggling at all. Was amused by the idea if someone not getting Dickens. . Clearly I got closer to the bone than I imagined possible. Apots for offence, none was intended. To make up for it I shall henceforth imagine you dressed as Bob Cratchett.Casino_Royale said:
No it wasn't, you meant it, and are just trying to wriggle out of it now as you realise it's misfired.Jonathan said:
The Dickens point was a joke. Not funny. I admit, but a joke nonetheless. The fact you took it seriously is actually quite funny.Casino_Royale said:
No, it's not that and well you know it. Richard Nabavi and I said we didn't particularly care for Dickens. You said "typical Tories".Jonathan said:
It's not partisan bullshit, it's making the very real point that Gove doesn't add much to a Leave campaign that needs to extend its reach.Casino_Royale said:
Stop with your partisan Labour bullshit, then.Jonathan said:
The Leave campaign needs reach and gravitas. Gove adds nothing to reach,maybe a jot to gravitas, but only in comparison to Farage.Casino_Royale said:
For those who live and breathe nothing more than partisan politics, perhaps.Jonathan said:
Gove is articulate and gives good Newsnight, but one of those pols who appeals only to his own. He is a great recruiting sergeant for Labour.Casino_Royale said:
Says Conor Pope, a self-styled "political organization professional", and all-round Labour stooge.Scott_P said:@Conorpope: The Leave campaign need someone who can sell bad ideas to the public. Michael Gove can't even sell good ideas.
They are rattled.
I put my country first.
Do spare us the country first stuff. Its too early for that surely?. We all want the best for our country, we just might disagree how.
Enough.
You're in the bag, they need to attract other voters unlike you to win . Gove, bless him, doesn't offer much there.
It's a perfectly valid point.
You just can't help yourself having a dig whenever you think there's an opening, even if it's totally irrelevant and a completely innocent (and unpolitical) point of view.
You're wired like McBride.
Which is also very telling.0 -
The special one has arrived and we thought he was going to Manchester0
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I see the disease of somehow drawing links between negotiations with the EU with Hitler Germany is spreading beyond the usual suspects...
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 32 secs32 seconds ago
Cameron should return to Britain via the old Croydon aerodrome and hold the piece of paper in his hand as he gets off the plane0 -
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Simply make the the 14-17 year age bracket for education 'credits'.Danny565 said:
Why should young British people be denied benefits just because they haven't "contributed" yet, when most of them would go onto repay everything they take out when they're employed in the future?FrancisUrquhart said:All the nonsense about benefits could easily solved by us without any new eu deal....contributary principal...like errh lots of EU countries.
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@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!0
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Oh FFS.Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
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The cat's out of the bag.Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
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God,doesn't the pantomine make you sick.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They never effing were dear god I hope this isn't going to be the huge victory we should all follow Dave over the top for.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Forget Gove, that will get ALL the headlines. Galloway will rally a few of the hard left for leave but if he is on a platform with Farage it is a coup for Cameron, it will be Benn and Powell 1975 the sequel!Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
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'England'?Tykejohnno said:Kate McCann @KateEMcCann
Davis is reading a poem at the Grassroots rally. Ends: "We are the people of England that have not spoken yet" ...
As the BBC showed last night, most people in the street are clueless and apathetic about the current goings on.0 -
Fuck. Going to wack another g on Remain. Its over.0
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My thoughts exactly. Then again, we were on his side for the Scottish referendum.Casino_Royale said:
Oh FFS.Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
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If that special guest is Galloway, I don't think there's been this much of a damp squib since Nigel Farage dragged everyone out to Gloucestershire during Tory conference to announce the defection of a medium-sized Tory donor.0
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No serious organisation would be stupid enough to have George Galloway as their keynote speaker would they?
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that looks not right, like a hoax are you absolutely sure it is legit?SeanT said:0 -
If Galloway really is the GO special guest, it is a perfect illustration of their problem..0
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Why Hmm?SeanT said:0 -
@KateEMcCann: It actually is George Galloway you know. It really is. Farage calls him a "towering figure"0
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GUEST - GEORGE GALLOWAY.0
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This is so idiotic. How stupid are these people.0
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Precisely, I'm off to the pub to drink whiskey.HYUFD said:
Forget Gove, that will get ALL the headlines. Galloway will rally a few of the hard left for leave but if he is on a platform with Farage it is a coup for Cameron, it will be Benn and Powell 1975 the sequel!Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
This is bullshit.0 -
un-fecking real - galloway and farage pictured together.
Raheem Kassam @RaheemKassam 2 mins2 minutes ago
Ladies and Gents at @Grassroots_Out. Here's your special guest. It's @georgegalloway!0 -
Blimey, is this is an Ed Stone moment for the Leave campaign…?Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
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@MrHarryCole: It's Galloway. Some heckles and walk outs. Woman bundled out of back for voicing concern https://t.co/BbM0XfVkeo0
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F-ing tossers. They'd have been better not to publicise it in the first place.Tykejohnno said:GUEST - GEORGE GALLOWAY.
GO>! = idiots.0 -
VERY muted reception to Galloway.0
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So it it's a promise to be made at some point in the future when and if the treaty changes again.SeanT said:0 -
I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin0 -
Remain master-stroke..... How the fuck have they pulled this off?Scrapheap_as_was said:un-fecking real - galloway and farage pictured together.
Raheem Kassam @RaheemKassam 2 mins2 minutes ago
Ladies and Gents at @Grassroots_Out. Here's your special guest. It's @georgegalloway!0 -
This is an absolute disaster.Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: It's Galloway. Some heckles and walk outs. Woman bundled out of back for voicing concern https://t.co/BbM0XfVkeo
Right, I'm leaving or my wife will divorce me.0 -
Squeaky bum time in SC...
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle 18-19 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 8%
Ted Cruz (R) 19%
John Kasich (R) 7%
Marco Rubio (R) 24%
Donald Trump (R) 27%
Undecided 4%
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Galloway, for real?HYUFD said:
Forget Gove, that will get ALL the headlines. Galloway will rally a few of the hard left for leave but if he is on a platform with Farage it is a coup for Cameron, it will be Benn and Powell 1975 the sequel!Scott_P said:@KateEMcCann: The special guest CAN'T actually be George Galloway... Can it?!
He is on a platform with DAVID DAVIS you dimwit. I could not give a monkey's about Farage. DAVID DAVIS, Tim Momtgomerie's representative on earth.0 -
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Galloway did a good job of slaughtering the EU on TV the other day.
He was spot on with the left that now own Labour.0 -
I'm rattled at seeing Galloway and Farage together.
As the rare lesser-spotted pro-european tory, I will try and recover my poise shortly....0 -
I thought it was going to be Len McCluskey.0
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@patrickwintour: "He is towering figure on the left of British politics" says Farage as he introduces George Galloway as surprise guest to GO rally. Suicide.
@stephenpollard: Have the organisers of the GO rally taken leave of their senses? Galloway! Have they got any senses? What bloody idiots.
@KateEMcCann: "He's an anti Semite, it's disgusting" says one v angry activist. Seriously let down people here. Very bad decision from Grassroots Out0 -
Not what you would expect for a mostly conservative grass roots.Tykejohnno said:GUEST - GEORGE GALLOWAY.
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lol, I can't vote the same way as Galloway, it's like a mortal sin or something. Christ, why are my representatives so fecking stupid
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George galloway wtf????0
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Come on guys,you have to take ALL views from the political world(even Galloway)
Galloway has plenty of supporters and he's good in debates.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin
No..... this is a major coup and I am rattled..0 -
I would have preferred Elvis.Tykejohnno said:Come on guys,you have to take ALL views from the political world(even Galloway)
Galloway has plenty of supporters and he's good in debates.0 -
I bet Gove is going to back Remain now.SeanT said:
How could they be so tin-eared??TheScreamingEagles said:I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin
Bizarre. Friend of Islamo-fascists AND Saddam Hussein, Geo Galloway.
Fantastic.
He's not going to fancy spending the next four months touring the country with Galloway ahd Farage0 -
Tell me Galloway hasn't joined Farage to leave just at the moment the EU deal is announced and the narrative seems to be positive for DCchestnut said:Galloway did a good job of slaughtering the EU on TV the other day.
He was spot on with the left that now own Labour.0 -
Best news Remain has had today.Slackbladder said:George galloway wtf????
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All Leave need now in the straight down the middle advocate.
They have the right, they have the left.
Over to Boris.0 -
A major coup for the other Leave campaigns vying for official status.Scrapheap_as_was said:TheScreamingEagles said:I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin
No..... this is a major coup and I am rattled..0 -
Nick Griffin-lite is already on the platform.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin0 -
"Nigel, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability and I want you to know that we are with you....."0
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@josephdcassidy: Oh my god they're actually locking people in it's like the worst super villain plot ever https://t.co/ulPkTstmAQ0
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WITH IRAN ::::::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD0
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Galloway wants to trade "With Iran" xD Omfg0
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At the moment my reaction is this. I feel about Galloway much as Mr Meeks feels about the Kippers. And his involvement will likely have the same effect on me as the Kippers have on Mr M.
A Britain where Galloway and his ilk play any sort of part is not a Britain I want to have anything to do with. It will be illiberal and nasty. For all its many faults, the EU is better than Galloway and his friends.0 -
The remain proberly have sinn fein wanting Britain in the EU,Corbyns mates.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin
You remember corbyn,the far left labour leader who supports remain.0 -
If Cameron has got a no further political union clause then thats a very big thing0
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Why not, David Davis is.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet Gove is going to back Remain now.SeanT said:
How could they be so tin-eared??TheScreamingEagles said:I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin
Bizarre. Friend of Islamo-fascists AND Saddam Hussein, Geo Galloway.
Fantastic.
He's not going to fancy spending the next four months touring the country with Galloway ahd Farage0 -
The leave campaign really should be restricting Farage and Galloway to GOTV operations to the converted. Keep them the fuck away from everything else.0
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This is someone who I consider a political weathervane
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Damn. damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn.
Now I am going to have to completely re-write tomorrow's thread.
Stupid f*cking useless half-witted Leave muppets.0 -
Are you worried now thenSeanT said:
No, it's a disastrous choice. Galloway is fine doing hustings in northern towns, but keep him there. Elsewhere, eek, no.Tykejohnno said:Come on guys,you have to take ALL views from the political world(even Galloway)
Galloway has plenty of supporters and he's good in debates.
But LEAVE might - just - be lucky in their timing. It will all be overshadowed by news of the "deal". Maybe.0 -
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Domhnall Gleeson really needs to put on his General Hux (Star Wars VII) voice for "Earth's Greatest Spectacles" on BBC2 - his narration is making me fall asleep
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Sounds like an honest an open campaign.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:The leave campaign really should be restricting Farage and Galloway to GOTV operations to the converted. Keep them the fuck away from everything else.
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I feel your pain, been there.david_herdson said:Damn. damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn.
Now I am going to have to completely re-write tomorrow's thread.
Stupid f*cking useless half-witted Leave muppets.0 -
I remember him at PB but I can't recall what name he posted under.TheScreamingEagles said:This is someone who I consider a political weathervane
https://twitter.com/DavidRoe92/status/700797571460153345
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a mr fletcher...another_richard said:
I remember him at PB but I can't recall what name he posted under.TheScreamingEagles said:This is someone who I consider a political weathervane
https://twitter.com/DavidRoe92/status/7007975714601533450 -
@DavidRoe92: That confirms it. I'm voting to stay in.
@DavidRoe92: This is the only election in my life where I genuinely believed I was a key voter. I'm now virulently pro EU.
@AaronBell80: @DavidRoe92 wtf is wrong with these people? It's AV referendum all over again - I am going to be on the losing side with a bunch of tossers
@DavidRoe92: Getting Galloway on stage makes the Sheffield rally look like a PR coup0 -
Well, they hyped George Galloway and tried to get as much attention for him as possible so I'm going to go for. . .MP_SE said:This is so idiotic. How stupid are these people.
Actually, I don't think I have a insider sufficiently strong to place in front of 'stupid' that really captures the essence.0 -
What made these people think Galloway would be a decent special guest. If he wants to campaign for Brexit, fine, just don't give him centre stage at a major event.0
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The glorious backup AV thread beckons.david_herdson said:Damn. damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn.
Now I am going to have to completely re-write tomorrow's thread.
Stupid f*cking useless half-witted Leave muppets.0 -
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Re maths GCSE:
Actually this is precisely what the new GCSE spec is doing: there's a significant bumping up of the emphasis of basic numeracy, i.e. ability to do arithmetic and deal with "everyday" contextual problems (utility bills, shopping, exchange rates, interest rates etc).ydoethur said:
My personal view is they are taking the wrong approach. Employers complain about poor basic skills. My time on a PGCE showed that there was merit in their concerns. So surely it would be better to make sure everyone did the simple stuff, like arithmetic, really well rather than calculus very badly.
And there's absolutely no suggestion that foundation tier students are going to be having calculus stuffed down their throat: pretty much as before, they're going to be limited to only the most basic of algebra.
In the old scheme, basic numeracy made up 25% of the syllabus (equally weighted with algebra, statistics and "shape and space" i.e. geometry). The new scheme splits out "ratio and proportion" as a separate topic in its own right, in addition to numerical work, and hence boosts the proportion of time and marks spent on basic skills.
As one of the more statistically-inclined of this parish (and I think Mr Viewcode will sympathise with me) I'm concerned that this is happening mostly at the expense of the data handling component. The GCSE syllabus is unusual, in global terms, for putting so much emphasis on interpreting data and graphs and performing basic statistical calculations. It's probably one of the reasons we do quite poorly on international standardised tests - other countries don't teach what we do, or don't teach it under "maths" - but in my view it's one of the strengths of our system. Data literacy is an incredibly valuable skill in an "information economy", and probably of more use to more people than the higher algebra is. For those people who need mathematical skills for more than just quotidien arithmetic, it's often because they need to handle data and interpret statistics. While I can see the argument for the need for greater focus on basic skills (and having worked as an FE lecturer, I can confirm that basic skills are a serious issue, and PBers whose circles of friends and colleagues are mostly graduates might have a shock at the levels of literacy and numeracy I'm talking about) I'm disappointed it's come at the expense of downgrading the statistics.
Having said that, pruning the algebra probably wasn't a realistic option since many A-level students already lack the skills required to succeed (skills which from a professional/academic point of view are pretty basic - things like dealing with algebraic fractions confidently, rearranging more complicated formulas or factorising and/or completing the square on quadratics - but which are above the "key skills" needed for everyday life).0 -
F-it, i cant vote with Galloway.....
In it is.0 -
I believe my views on DD are right up there with Montie in their own respective industries...flightpath01 said:
Why not, David Davis is.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet Gove is going to back Remain now.SeanT said:
How could they be so tin-eared??TheScreamingEagles said:I'm putting a bet on Remain getting 70% plus.
George Galloway!
These people are fucking idiots.
Next they'll be trumpeting an endorsement from Nick Griffin
Bizarre. Friend of Islamo-fascists AND Saddam Hussein, Geo Galloway.
Fantastic.
He's not going to fancy spending the next four months touring the country with Galloway ahd Farage0 -
So let me get this straight - just because Galloway backs LEAVE, you traitorous, perfidious REMAINERS are going to consign Britain to another 40 years of Brussels-Directive-Raj?
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@David_Cameron: I have negotiated a deal to give the UK special status in the EU. I will be recommending it to Cabinet tomorrow. Press conference shortly.0
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Don't know why everyone is so surprised. If you've got kate hoey on your platform you can't be that choosy. Having said that george galloway. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.0
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So it seems that the LEAVE campaign are going to the other extreme of crapness to which YEStoAV did.
While YEStoAV only wanted 'progressive majority' luvvies this LEAVE bunch are having a really big tent.
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One man changes your vote,christ.Slackbladder said:F-it, i cant vote with Galloway.....
In it is.0 -
How many Kippers will change their mind because of Galloway?MP_SE said:What made these people think Galloway would be a decent special guest. If he wants to campaign for Brexit, fine, just don't give him centre stage at a major event.
Labour are currently going 70 - 30 remain. If Galloway (and like minded lefties, plenty of them about) moves that to 50-50....0 -
Is it time to open the membership to moderate wavering outers wanting a new liberal Tory party not obsessed with Europe, Gays etc0
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I absolutely share your view of Galloway but I have to ask, which side were you on in the Scottish Independence vote? If you were in favour of the Union then you were on the same side as Galloway who played a prominent role in the campaign.Cyclefree said:At the moment my reaction is this. I feel about Galloway much as Mr Meeks feels about the Kippers. And his involvement will likely have the same effect on me as the Kippers have on Mr M.
A Britain where Galloway and his ilk play any sort of part is not a Britain I want to have anything to do with. It will be illiberal and nasty. For all its many faults, the EU is better than Galloway and his friends.
This is a stupid, crass and self destructive move by GO but to be honest it is no more than I would expect from Farage and it won't make any difference to the fundamental arguments one way or another.0 -
David Cameron 'I have achieved special status for the UK' - Press conference shortly0
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It would be as useful as the 'reform the CAP' promise which Blair got.Slackbladder said:If Cameron has got a no further political union clause then thats a very big thing
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