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Didn't IS threaten the US recently?isam said:
Think we can pretty much rule out it being an off the cuff incident sparked by a row yesterday!SeanT said:
Now looks pretty likely the San Bernadino shooting was terrorism.Luckyguy1983 said:
Until they also grow more arms, it isn't about most guns, it's about percentage of gun ownership.Theuniondivvie said:
So the USA does have most guns, by some margin.AlastairMeeks said:@ianbremmer ·
Where there are guns, there are shootings.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVTeiLtU8AAIvxp.jpg
The male suspect was "very religious" and made phone calls and Facebook links with known jihadis.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
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Are you able to say which part of the constituency that's in? (East vs west?)AndyJS said:Turmout at a OW&R polling station said to be 500 out of 2,700 at 4:30pm.
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Something is very iffy about the account. He has gone by the names Dominic and Darren Grintz and had his twitter previously banned and given out home addresses of people he has had spats with, including a 15 year old kid.rottenborough said:
He is strangely missing on the web. Nothing much comes up for his name. I am suspicious.dr_spyn said:Is Comrade Grintz taking the BBC for a ride?
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Knew that comment was a hostage to fortune... still beat 5 other parties and came top of the 'minors'.Pulpstar said:
300 votes for the piratesLennon said:
What's special about Lucy's by-election is that the low turnout couldn't really be blamed on 'lack of people to vote for / they're all the same' - 12 candidates and none of them could persuade people to vote for them! :-)JosiasJessop said:
A week or so ago on here I suggested turnout would be at the 20% mark. I don't want it to go much below though - I want Lucy Powell to keep the post-war record at 18-odd%BannedInParis said:We got turnout down to sub 20 at a similar point last time around.
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If he was unmasked as SeanT, it wouldn't be the most sensational revelation of all time.rottenborough said:
He is strangely missing on the web. Nothing much comes up for his name. I am suspicious.dr_spyn said:Is Comrade Grintz taking the BBC for a ride?
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Tonight should be interesting.
@dugarbandier I'm not saying Blair didn't taint his own legacy (far from it) but the Left were always looking for the cracks in New Labour to justify a return the 1980s.0 -
Bad Al's effix coming through
Alastair Campbell @campbellclaret 6m6 minutes ago
At least the Cybernats tend to abuse their opponents. The new Corbynistas seem to save all their venom for people in same party (sic)0 -
Sounds like he may have social media form:FrancisUrquhart said:
Something is iffy about him. He has gone by the names Dominic and Darren Grintz and had his twitter previously banned and given out home addresses of people he has had spats with, including a 15 year old kid.rottenborough said:
He is strangely missing on the web. Nothing much comes up for his name. I am suspicious.dr_spyn said:Is Comrade Grintz taking the BBC for a ride?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34993447
Brexit Biscuit @HermanVRompuy Nov 8
@pinkperlz @Aidlin37 @Nigel_Farage This fool know as Grintz has many suspended accounts, eg @DGrintz @DominicGrintz_ @DominicGrintz0 -
It is remarkable watching the first 10 minutes how the only caveats for the exit poll given were on the down side for the Tories, no upside potential even considered!rottenborough said:
It seems there is a large number of people who are blissfully unaware of the outcome of said election.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SIFrancisUrquhart said:
LOL. It is like the GE2015 never happened. Twitter disbelief was hilarious.TheScreamingEagles said:Posted without comment
@ARKWalton: Cameron had 36k likes on FB for announcing the Syria vote. Corbyn had 250k likes for announcing his disappointment. Democracy has failed.0 -
Had it not been for the momentum the £3 members gave he almost certainly would not have.kle4 said:
Since regular members voted for Corbyn anyway, it hardly matters.Anorak said:
Oh I think it's fair, given the history of entryism into the Labour party, and the history of having a loon on the ballot "for balance". Did Ed also come up with the £3 wheeze, or does he have to share the Darwin Award for Politics with someone else?SimonStClare said:'Ed Milliband take a bow. The man who changed the rules, and broke the Labour Party.'
Not entirely fair – not even Ed could have predicted the stupidity of Ma Beckett & Co.
Besides entryists had months before the deadline to sign up to vote. Sane parties require the members to have signed up BEFORE the election not during it.0 -
Some of us were very glad that state of mind persisted for so long. It gave us time to frantically reorganise our betting positions.MTimT said:
It is remarkable watching the first 10 minutes how the only caveats for the exit poll given were on the down side for the Tories, no upside potential even considered!rottenborough said:
It seems there is a large number of people who are blissfully unaware of the outcome of said election.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SIFrancisUrquhart said:
LOL. It is like the GE2015 never happened. Twitter disbelief was hilarious.TheScreamingEagles said:Posted without comment
@ARKWalton: Cameron had 36k likes on FB for announcing the Syria vote. Corbyn had 250k likes for announcing his disappointment. Democracy has failed.0 -
judging from some sunnation tweets i just read, UKIP might be getting their excuses in early.0
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It's a very odd target for a terrorist attack, though.SeanT said:If it is proven to be terrorism, I wonder if this might push Trump over the line.
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"It is remarkable watching the first 10 minutes how the only caveats for the exit poll given were on the down side for the Tories, no upside potential even considered!"
TBF to the academic running the exit poll, he was hinting that a majority was on from the first time he was on screen.0 -
I bit of a google would suggest the media would be very wise not to take anything about this guy at face value....Long history of trolling people like Tommy Robinson in lots of different guises.rottenborough said:
Sounds like he may have social media form:FrancisUrquhart said:
Something is iffy about him. He has gone by the names Dominic and Darren Grintz and had his twitter previously banned and given out home addresses of people he has had spats with, including a 15 year old kid.rottenborough said:
He is strangely missing on the web. Nothing much comes up for his name. I am suspicious.dr_spyn said:Is Comrade Grintz taking the BBC for a ride?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34993447
Brexit Biscuit @HermanVRompuy Nov 8
@pinkperlz @Aidlin37 @Nigel_Farage This fool know as Grintz has many suspended accounts, eg @DGrintz @DominicGrintz_ @DominicGrintz0 -
For those countries like us who are right next to the EU and who rely heavily on trade with it, mostly by negotiating a trade deal which includes free movement of labour.Luckyguy1983 said:One wonders how anyone survives outside the EU facing such hardships as they do.
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... the 500 from 2700 is in the ballpark I'm expecting.JosiasJessop said:
A week or so ago on here I suggested turnout would be at the 20% mark. I don't want it to go much below though - I want Lucy Powell to keep the post-war record at 18-odd%BannedInParis said:We got turnout down to sub 20 at a similar point last time around.
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Didn't get that far. I was thinking more of what Nick and Vine twittered on about. And yes, on the night I was struck by how the pollster kept on saying that it could be a Con maj.BannedInParis said:"It is remarkable watching the first 10 minutes how the only caveats for the exit poll given were on the down side for the Tories, no upside potential even considered!"
TBF to the academic running the exit poll, he was hinting that a majority was on from the first time he was on screen.0 -
Conservatives in Kensington hold elections. In Middlesborough they hold plebiscites.kle4 said:
It is well known the electorate are the worst possible people to participate in elections and plebiscites.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The same AV rejected by the electorate in 2011?TheScreamingEagles said:
My stint as guest editor begins very shortly. I tempted to do a piece entitledPulpstar said:Looks like politicalbetting.com cares more about the Oldham by election than Oldham itself !
"Would AV boost turnout in by elections?"
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Not as heavily as the EU relies on trade with us.Richard_Nabavi said:
For those countries like us who are right next to the EU and who rely heavily on trade with it, mostly by negotiating a trade deal which includes free movement of labour.Luckyguy1983 said:One wonders how anyone survives outside the EU facing such hardships as they do.
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Perhaps they were planning on staging an attack somewhere else, but the red mist of anger descended and the office party became a new target?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a very odd target for a terrorist attack, though.SeanT said:If it is proven to be terrorism, I wonder if this might push Trump over the line.
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Which Labour do with parliamentary selections, but stupidly not leadership.Philip_Thompson said:
Had it not been for the momentum the £3 members gave he almost certainly would not have.kle4 said:
Since regular members voted for Corbyn anyway, it hardly matters.Anorak said:
Oh I think it's fair, given the history of entryism into the Labour party, and the history of having a loon on the ballot "for balance". Did Ed also come up with the £3 wheeze, or does he have to share the Darwin Award for Politics with someone else?SimonStClare said:'Ed Milliband take a bow. The man who changed the rules, and broke the Labour Party.'
Not entirely fair – not even Ed could have predicted the stupidity of Ma Beckett & Co.
Besides entryists had months before the deadline to sign up to vote. Sane parties require the members to have signed up BEFORE the election not during it.
I blame Ray Collins more than Miliband. what old school trade unionist wouldn't have noticed that the next leadership election could take place at the same time as two of the three big unions had General Secretary elections, thus guaranteeing maximum beserkering from them. Wouldn't have happened on Ken Jackson's watch.0 -
Shame there's 4 hours of after-work voting left thenBannedInParis said:
... the 500 from 2700 is in the ballpark I'm expecting.JosiasJessop said:
A week or so ago on here I suggested turnout would be at the 20% mark. I don't want it to go much below though - I want Lucy Powell to keep the post-war record at 18-odd%BannedInParis said:We got turnout down to sub 20 at a similar point last time around.
Although I'm not sure employment in Oldham is particularly high.0 -
That's wrong, actually, but in any case irrelevant. Everyone agrees that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell of either side wanting a relationship which wouldn't include us being part of the Single Market for manufactured goods (and of course subject to EU rules on products and VAT as a result). That isn't what we'd be negotiating over, since both sides would agree to it straight away.nigel4england said:Not as heavily as the EU relies on trade with us.
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Possibly, yes. Or maybe they were freelancers acting on their own initiative rather than directly controlled by some organisation. That is one of the most difficult scenarios for the security services.watford30 said:
Perhaps they were planning on staging an attack somewhere else, but the red mist of anger descended and the office party became a new target?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a very odd target for a terrorist attack, though.SeanT said:If it is proven to be terrorism, I wonder if this might push Trump over the line.
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Ah, the Cameron school of European negotiation.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's wrong, actually, but in any case irrelevant. Everyone agrees that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell of either side wanting a relationship which wouldn't include us being part of the Single Market for manufactured goods (and of course subject to EU rules on products and VAT as a result). That isn't what we'd be negotiating over, since both sides would agree to it straight away.nigel4england said:Not as heavily as the EU relies on trade with us.
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Mr Nabavi said "That's wrong, actually, but in any case irrelevant. Everyone agrees that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell of either side wanting a relationship which wouldn't include us being part of the Single Market for manufactured goods (and of course subject to EU rules on products and VAT as a result). That isn't what we'd be negotiating over, since both sides would agree to it straight away."
crucial part of that is "subject to EU rules". In other words, all those kippers thinking they could junk everything and go back to imperial measurements or whatever it is they want are completely deluded. We would be subject to the same rules but have no ability to change them as we wouldn't be a member. Which is why Norway advises us not to do what they did http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model0 -
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Last night ISIS or whatever we are meant to call them said they were not responsible but welcomed the attackRichard_Nabavi said:
Possibly, yes. Or maybe they were freelancers acting on their own initiative rather than directly controlled by some organisation. That is one of the most difficult scenarios for the security services.watford30 said:
Perhaps they were planning on staging an attack somewhere else, but the red mist of anger descended and the office party became a new target?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a very odd target for a terrorist attack, though.SeanT said:If it is proven to be terrorism, I wonder if this might push Trump over the line.
It would be the biggest terror attack on the US homeland since 9/11
I didn't post it as it was late and I didn't want to argue / isn't in my interests to cause trouble with the people saying it was white supremacists
These kind of attacks are the ones I fear now we are bombing Syria or at least the anger it stokes up within parts of the muslim population. Obviously ISIS we're going to try and bomb us anyway
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I'm not wrong, more to the point why mention it anyway if your second point is correct?Richard_Nabavi said:
That's wrong, actually, but in any case irrelevant. Everyone agrees that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell of either side wanting a relationship which wouldn't include us being part of the Single Market for manufactured goods (and of course subject to EU rules on products and VAT as a result). That isn't what we'd be negotiating over, since both sides would agree to it straight away.nigel4england said:Not as heavily as the EU relies on trade with us.
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''Perhaps they were planning on staging an attack somewhere else, but the red mist of anger descended and the office party became a new target? ''
Infidel celebrating the birth of christ?
Breitbart has a nice snippet. Some of the people they attacked had earlier in the year planned a shower for their new baby.0 -
If we weren't dealing with ISIS in Syria, they'd find some other pretext.isam said:Last night ISIS or whatever we are meant to call them said they were not responsible but welcomed the attack
I didn't post it as it was late and I didn't want to argue / isn't in my interests to cause trouble with the people saying it was white supremacists
These kind of attacks are the ones I fear now we are bombing Syria or at least the anger it stokes up within parts of the muslim population. Obviously ISIS we're going to try and bomb us anyway0 -
A new Quinnipiac national poll this week has not only Hillary but also Bernie Sanders beating the entire GOP top tier and his politics are not a million miles from Corbyn'sOliver_PB said:
The Democrats are so far to the right that the GOP is being forced into taking loony positions for oppositions sake, all the while being fuelled by a rabid (and highly profitable) toxic right-wing media circus which has taken hold in lieu of any real party leadership. The current GOP situation has been decades in the making, going all the way back to the Southern strategy, with their base long being a delicate coalition of people with very disparate interests which is slowly exploding on them.MTimT said:LOL If you think the Cameron Tories are hard right, come spend some time in the States. They are all socialists, didn't you know?
Couple that with the US having an utterly dysfunctional political system (the fun combination of mass gerrymandering, the electoral college and filibustering), and the Democrats being legislatively uninspiring, dysfunctional and overly-willing-to-compromise "moderates".
All that said, I can still see the GOP winning the presidential election, assuming they end up selecting someone like Rubio. I think Democrats are taking victory for granted and, contrary to popular belief, I don't think Hillary Clinton is a strong candidate, with too much baggage associated with her.0 -
Why not mention it? You can be wrong on two counts, you know.nigel4england said:I'm not wrong, more to the point why mention it anyway if your second point is correct?
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If the attack in the USA turns out to be a terrorist attack - and I think it probably is - then it will be interesting to see the reaction. Thankfully gun attacks are rare in the UK - though they do happen - so a terrorist attack would be out of the norm. But given the number of mass killings in the US it will be interesting to see how they react.0
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MrsB said:
Mr Nabavi said "That's wrong, actually, but in any case irrelevant. Everyone agrees that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell of either side wanting a relationship which wouldn't include us being part of the Single Market for manufactured goods (and of course subject to EU rules on products and VAT as a result). That isn't what we'd be negotiating over, since both sides would agree to it straight away."
crucial part of that is "subject to EU rules". In other words, all those kippers thinking they could junk everything and go back to imperial measurements or whatever it is they want are completely deluded. We would be subject to the same rules but have no ability to change them as we wouldn't be a member. Which is why Norway advises us not to do what they did http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model
You do understand where many EU rules start life at? The little European Unioner mindstet may have been acceptable 50 years ago but the world has moved on whilst the EU has remained stuck in the past.MrsB said:Mr Nabavi said "That's wrong, actually, but in any case irrelevant. Everyone agrees that there's not a snowflake's chance in hell of either side wanting a relationship which wouldn't include us being part of the Single Market for manufactured goods (and of course subject to EU rules on products and VAT as a result). That isn't what we'd be negotiating over, since both sides would agree to it straight away."
crucial part of that is "subject to EU rules". In other words, all those kippers thinking they could junk everything and go back to imperial measurements or whatever it is they want are completely deluded. We would be subject to the same rules but have no ability to change them as we wouldn't be a member. Which is why Norway advises us not to do what they did http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model
Raging Europhile Norwegian politicians are perhaps not the best example. The latest opinion poll has the Norwegian people rejecting EU membership by a huge margin.0 -
As for the immigration argument, isn't the truth that Cameron doesn't really care that much about the numbers? It's not an outrageous viewpoint, many people don't, and fair enough. But as leader of the opposition Conservative party, he had to say he would get numbers down to firm up votes.
Again fair enough. The fact that immigration is at its highest ever and Cameron has been PM over five years renders discussion as to why meaningless. He'll be an ex pm in three years or so and will never have made good on the pledge. He wins!
The answer is obvious. If he really wanted to cut it down, if there was some weird phenomenon that meant if he didn't we'd all die, he'd get them down. It's not impossible, it's just unimportant
As always, Enoch puts it better than I could
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Yes, a polling station in Medlock Vale ward in the SW of the constituency where about 90% of voters were Asian (mainly Pakistani). I was there in person getting the information. About to head back to Manchester. Just light rain in Oldham at the moment rather than the heavy that was forecast.numbercruncher said:
Are you able to say which part of the constituency that's in? (East vs west?)AndyJS said:Turmout at a OW&R polling station said to be 500 out of 2,700 at 4:30pm.
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18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
If the Asian community have indeed got the block postal vote out then it's all over bar the weighing counting of the votes for Labour.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
Many thanks Andy!AndyJS said:
Yes, a polling station in Medlock Vale ward in the SW of the constituency where about 90% of voters were Asian (mainly Pakistani). I was there in person getting the information. About to head back to Manchester. Just light rain in Oldham at the moment rather than the heavy that was forecast.numbercruncher said:
Are you able to say which part of the constituency that's in? (East vs west?)AndyJS said:Turmout at a OW&R polling station said to be 500 out of 2,700 at 4:30pm.
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Farage getting his excuses in early.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
I'm confident there has been a block vote. There were reports of people claiming they had voted by post but were not sure who they had voted for.Sandpit said:
If the Asian community have indeed got the block postal vote out then it's all over bar the weighing counting of the votes for Labour.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
The US shooting was supposedly at a Christmas Party.0
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It's hardly a revelation, some of us predicted it as soon as the vote was announced. Credit to labour, they know who votes for them and they know how to get them to vote.Sandpit said:
If the Asian community have indeed got the block postal vote out then it's all over bar the weighing counting of the votes for Labour.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-1511
Mandelson et al will be raising a glass to the search parties they sent out.
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Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.0 -
I think this Government has taken all the measures it is willing to take on immigration. There are further steps that could be taken, but Osborne doesn't want it.HurstLlama said:
I am sure your paper is jolly erudite and worth reading. Politically though the issue is quite simple and doesn't require too much study. Cameron said his government will reduce net immigration to below 100,000 pa. it is currently running at above 300,000 and the last set of figures showed an increase not a decrease.Richard_Nabavi said:
It doesn't pledge or advocate anything, but explores the figures and the choices. If you VanillaMail me your email address, I'll happily send you a copy.blackburn63 said:Thanks, I'd like to see a copy of that document.
Does it pledge to admit 600000 to the UK with a net figure of 300000?
There is performance and there are excuses. Cameron has failed and is failing to perform to the criteria he himself set.
His latest thinking is to remove students from the figures on the basis they are temporary and all 'go home'.
That'd flatter the numbers but change nothing. So called "students" aren't like tourists.0 -
A central plank of our airstrikes tactic is that it will inhibit people going to training camps in Iraq/Syria.tlg86 said:If the attack in the USA turns out to be a terrorist attack - and I think it probably is - then it will be interesting to see the reaction. Thankfully gun attacks are rare in the UK - though they do happen - so a terrorist attack would be out of the norm. But given the number of mass killings in the US it will be interesting to see how they react.
ofc no one in the US would need to go to a Middle-East training camp to learn weapons handling...0 -
I remember virtually shouting that at my TV. Who was it - Andrew Neil? - who said at one point "You may be wishing that poll was right before long"?MTimT said:
It is remarkable watching the first 10 minutes how the only caveats for the exit poll given were on the down side for the Tories, no upside potential even considered!rottenborough said:
It seems there is a large number of people who are blissfully unaware of the outcome of said election.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SIFrancisUrquhart said:
LOL. It is like the GE2015 never happened. Twitter disbelief was hilarious.TheScreamingEagles said:Posted without comment
@ARKWalton: Cameron had 36k likes on FB for announcing the Syria vote. Corbyn had 250k likes for announcing his disappointment. Democracy has failed.0 -
I don't think Maria Eagle spoke in the Debate.RaRaRasputin said:
Did anyone seriously think a parliamentary speech made by the Shadow Defense Secretary would have any impact at all on the turnout in Oldham?TGOHF said:Not sure this does favour Labour to be honest - looks like no reaction to Hilary in terms of turnout.
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Ken livingstone has morphed from an engaging cheeky chappie to something quite sinister. He's almost unrecognizable from the popular ex mayor of London0
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I imagine your Scottish betting position didn't need much frantic reorganisation!AlastairMeeks said:
Some of us were very glad that state of mind persisted for so long. It gave us time to frantically reorganise our betting positions.MTimT said:
It is remarkable watching the first 10 minutes how the only caveats for the exit poll given were on the down side for the Tories, no upside potential even considered!rottenborough said:
It seems there is a large number of people who are blissfully unaware of the outcome of said election.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SIFrancisUrquhart said:
LOL. It is like the GE2015 never happened. Twitter disbelief was hilarious.TheScreamingEagles said:Posted without comment
@ARKWalton: Cameron had 36k likes on FB for announcing the Syria vote. Corbyn had 250k likes for announcing his disappointment. Democracy has failed.
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FBI agents have discovered nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition, a dozen pipe bombs and hundreds of tools for making improvised explosive devices at a home in California linked to San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook and his wife, law enforcement officials revealed this morning.0
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Harriet Harman's stupidity is far more to blame.SimonStClare said:'Ed Milliband take a bow. The man who changed the rules, and broke the Labour Party.'
Not entirely fair – not even Ed could have predicted the stupidity of Ma Beckett & Co.0 -
Your posts are very amusing at times, Dair.Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.0 -
Truly horrible collapse of health care in the Socialist Utopia of Venezuela....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34983075
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To be fair we know that Eck has contact with the supernatural world.TOPPING said:
Your posts are very amusing at times, Dair.Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.0 -
Telegraph claiming his new wife, the second shooter, had not long been brought into the US from Saudi Arabia.FrancisUrquhart said:FBI agents have discovered nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition, a dozen pipe bombs and hundreds of tools for making improvised explosive devices at a home in California linked to San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook and his wife, law enforcement officials revealed this morning.
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The Simon Reeve program was a real eye opener about the state of Venezuela. I think he said something like he had never been to a country that was in such chaos.MarqueeMark said:Truly horrible collapse of health care in the Socialist Utopia of Venezuela....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34983075
And whose favourite go to talking head said this?
“Hugo Chavez was a democrat, not a dictator, and showed a progressive alternative to neo-liberalism is both possible and popular.”0 -
Don't know if this site is biased (It has offices in tel aviv!) but its where I read last night that ISIS had welcomed the attacks, though said they weren't responsiblechestnut said:
Telegraph claiming his new wife, the second shooter, had not long been brought into the US from Saudi Arabia.FrancisUrquhart said:FBI agents have discovered nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition, a dozen pipe bombs and hundreds of tools for making improvised explosive devices at a home in California linked to San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook and his wife, law enforcement officials revealed this morning.
http://www.vocativ.com/news/256909/isis-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-america-burning/0 -
I'm pleased you've said that.Richard_Nabavi said:
It was a blunder, no doubt about it.TOPPING said:which rather begs the question why make the pledge if it is in effect impossible to honour?
In mitigation, though, I don't think anyone expected the disparity between the Eurozone and the UK job markets to be so dramatic, and that has undoubtedly been a large part of the problem.
I also think it's a good long-term aim to get net migration down below 100,000 a year, so I don't favour abandoning the target. But we have to be realistic about the timescale.0 -
Some of us were immune to his cheeky chappie act.... Nasty piece of work.Roger said:Ken livingstone has morphed from an engaging cheeky chappie to something quite sinister. He's almost unrecognizable from the popular ex mayor of London
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Bur postal votes from that area would -presumably - be in addition!BannedInParis said:
... the 500 from 2700 is in the ballpark I'm expecting.JosiasJessop said:
A week or so ago on here I suggested turnout would be at the 20% mark. I don't want it to go much below though - I want Lucy Powell to keep the post-war record at 18-odd%BannedInParis said:We got turnout down to sub 20 at a similar point last time around.
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You now have that fine upstanding Englishman Stan Collymore as a member, you must be so proud.Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.0 -
On the other hand, here's the impartial judgement of someone writing more than a year ago:Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/14/tony-benn-someones-friend-and-mentor/
"One of the attractive aspects of Tony Benn’s intriguing, complex character was that he never demanded of his own family that they should be what used to be called Bennites. His son Hilary has consistently defended the Iraq war that Dad so furiously opposed. The old man was thrilled when his 18 year old granddaughter, Emily, was adopted as a Labour candidate, notwithstanding that she was arguably more Blairite than her Uncle Hilary."
Who to believe, Alex Salmond or someone who knew him personally for many years?0 -
Perhaps this is what's needed to get some action on weapons in the USA.TOPPING said:
A central plank of our airstrikes tactic is that it will inhibit people going to training camps in Iraq/Syria.tlg86 said:If the attack in the USA turns out to be a terrorist attack - and I think it probably is - then it will be interesting to see the reaction. Thankfully gun attacks are rare in the UK - though they do happen - so a terrorist attack would be out of the norm. But given the number of mass killings in the US it will be interesting to see how they react.
ofc no one in the US would need to go to a Middle-East training camp to learn weapons handling...0 -
We've already seen that the civil war has created a power vacuum where extremists thrive...but that's enough about the Labour Party for now.0
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He might also be responsible for gaffe of the day. Commenting on the Syria vote he said; 'Having a mandate doesn't mean to say you are going to be right.' Does he apply the same logic to his leader? Of course not!Roger said:Ken livingstone has morphed from an engaging cheeky chappie to something quite sinister. He's almost unrecognizable from the popular ex mayor of London
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The headteacher of a school linked to an alleged plot by Islamist hardliners to influence state schools ordered staff to remove children’s books containing pictures of pigs, an employment tribunal in Birmingham has heard.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/dec/03/birmingham-school-headteacher-banned-pictures-of-pigs-court-hears0 -
I think you are correct on all counts, Mr. Royale. Now where does that leave Cameron's promise and reputation?Casino_Royale said:
I think this Government has taken all the measures it is willing to take on immigration. There are further steps that could be taken, but Osborne doesn't want it.HurstLlama said:
I am sure your paper is jolly erudite and worth reading. Politically though the issue is quite simple and doesn't require too much study. Cameron said his government will reduce net immigration to below 100,000 pa. it is currently running at above 300,000 and the last set of figures showed an increase not a decrease.Richard_Nabavi said:
It doesn't pledge or advocate anything, but explores the figures and the choices. If you VanillaMail me your email address, I'll happily send you a copy.blackburn63 said:Thanks, I'd like to see a copy of that document.
Does it pledge to admit 600000 to the UK with a net figure of 300000?
There is performance and there are excuses. Cameron has failed and is failing to perform to the criteria he himself set.
His latest thinking is to remove students from the figures on the basis they are temporary and all 'go home'.
That'd flatter the numbers but change nothing. So called "students" aren't like tourists.
Well, the promise is just another one discarded and in terms of his reputation it probably will not make that much difference. At least not on its own, but it could be added to the weight of evidence in a narrative if any party wanted to build such a narrative.0 -
Personally, I think it'll be Labour by 2,000+
In the electoral paper, scissors and stone battle: organised community block vote by post in advance beats pissed-off, resentful and marginalised WWC men turning out on a cold rainy night when they could be down the pub. Particularly for low turnout and a half-decent candidate.
I'm on low turnout though and pleased that's looking good.0 -
What is he wrong about? (other than assuming they'd have won comfortably in any other northern constituency)watford30 said:
Farage getting his excuses in early.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
@COVIthinktank · 17m17 minutes ago
@UKLabour doing very well with groups who do not vote explains @IpsosMORI Ben Page #ipsosmorilive
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVUlbw4WsAAbhMW.jpg0 -
Dair
"Hilary is a disgrace to his family name"
What a childish thing to say. Sort of comment I'd expect from a Tory..0 -
He's bitter 'his' London rejected him twice after dominating its politics for over 30 years.Roger said:Ken livingstone has morphed from an engaging cheeky chappie to something quite sinister. He's almost unrecognizable from the popular ex mayor of London
I don't think he's ever gotten over that.0 -
It is perfectly consistent for someone to offer their offspring completely free reign in their life choices but still be disappointed at some of the choices they might make. There is a considerable difference between telling and hoping.AlastairMeeks said:
On the other hand, here's the impartial judgement of someone writing more than a year ago:Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/14/tony-benn-someones-friend-and-mentor/
"One of the attractive aspects of Tony Benn’s intriguing, complex character was that he never demanded of his own family that they should be what used to be called Bennites. His son Hilary has consistently defended the Iraq war that Dad so furiously opposed. The old man was thrilled when his 18 year old granddaughter, Emily, was adopted as a Labour candidate, notwithstanding that she was arguably more Blairite than her Uncle Hilary."
Who to believe, Alex Salmond or someone who knew him personally for many years?
Either Benn's entire political life was one of hypocrisy and ideas he did not believe in or he would be disappointed that. while trying to persuade the public in general, he failed to even persuade his own son.0 -
Ah, yeah, vote early, vote often.justin124 said:
Bur postal votes from that area would -presumably - be in addition!BannedInParis said:
... the 500 from 2700 is in the ballpark I'm expecting.JosiasJessop said:
A week or so ago on here I suggested turnout would be at the 20% mark. I don't want it to go much below though - I want Lucy Powell to keep the post-war record at 18-odd%BannedInParis said:We got turnout down to sub 20 at a similar point last time around.
It'll be lowwwwwww0 -
How do we know, unless the actually vote? Maybe they choose not to vote for a reason, but tell pollsters something else.AlastairMeeks said:@COVIthinktank · 17m17 minutes ago
@UKLabour doing very well with groups who do not vote explains @IpsosMORI Ben Page #ipsosmorilive
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVUlbw4WsAAbhMW.jpg0 -
Seems to me it's because his wing of the party has won control. He can allow true colours to come through.Roger said:Ken livingstone has morphed from an engaging cheeky chappie to something quite sinister. He's almost unrecognizable from the popular ex mayor of London
He's not alone in having 'morphed', though. It was a surprise to me to find that our own Nick Palmer was still so very left-wing, after all these years as an MP in Mr Blair's & Mr Brown's governing party.
One wonders how many others have morphed similarly.0 -
We can all be Hobbits now:
https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/672436651805814784
One idea to help with our housing problem.0 -
The news from America about the San Bernardino shootings seem to point to a home grown muslim terrorist incident, it will only exacerbate religious tensions between muslims and christians in America.
A few more of those and it might lead to a pogrom against muslims over there, but even this one will politically fuel Trump who has called for strict monitoring and regulations on muslims.
Domestically, turnout in Oldham looks about on the low range of my expectations which is 20%, the LD might be happy with that since a low turnout increases their chances of keeping their deposit.0 -
Has our Roger changed sides?
https://twitter.com/rog_ukip/status/6724816339672186880 -
I thought that the BBC were very careful when they cite people on Twitter, but it does look as if they made an exception with Comrade Grintz.0
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Or, alternatively, Alex Salmond and you are odious cretins who presume to look into the souls of dead men to make cheap political points, failing to understand that there are human beings out there who accept and respect that decent people can come to different conclusions on the same facts.Dair said:
It is perfectly consistent for someone to offer their offspring completely free reign in their life choices but still be disappointed at some of the choices they might make. There is a considerable difference between telling and hoping.AlastairMeeks said:
On the other hand, here's the impartial judgement of someone writing more than a year ago:Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/14/tony-benn-someones-friend-and-mentor/
"One of the attractive aspects of Tony Benn’s intriguing, complex character was that he never demanded of his own family that they should be what used to be called Bennites. His son Hilary has consistently defended the Iraq war that Dad so furiously opposed. The old man was thrilled when his 18 year old granddaughter, Emily, was adopted as a Labour candidate, notwithstanding that she was arguably more Blairite than her Uncle Hilary."
Who to believe, Alex Salmond or someone who knew him personally for many years?
Either Benn's entire political life was one of hypocrisy and ideas he did not believe in or he would be disappointed that. while trying to persuade the public in general, he failed to even persuade his own son.0 -
It was a few days ago that I wrote here on PB on the competition thread:Casino_Royale said:Personally, I think it'll be Labour by 2,000+
In the electoral paper, scissors and stone battle: organised community block vote by post in advance beats pissed-off, resentful and marginalised WWC men turning out on a cold rainy night when they could be down the pub. Particularly for low turnout and a half-decent candidate.
I'm on low turnout though and pleased that's looking good.
LAB 50
UKIP 30
Majority 2000 on a 20% Turnout.0 -
Long walk from '[Tony Benn] would be disappointed' to 'Hilary is a disgrace to his family name', but entirely expected.Dair said:
It is perfectly consistent for someone to offer their offspring completely free reign in their life choices but still be disappointed at some of the choices they might make. There is a considerable difference between telling and hoping.AlastairMeeks said:
On the other hand, here's the impartial judgement of someone writing more than a year ago:Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/14/tony-benn-someones-friend-and-mentor/
"One of the attractive aspects of Tony Benn’s intriguing, complex character was that he never demanded of his own family that they should be what used to be called Bennites. His son Hilary has consistently defended the Iraq war that Dad so furiously opposed. The old man was thrilled when his 18 year old granddaughter, Emily, was adopted as a Labour candidate, notwithstanding that she was arguably more Blairite than her Uncle Hilary."
Who to believe, Alex Salmond or someone who knew him personally for many years?
Either Benn's entire political life was one of hypocrisy and ideas he did not believe in or he would be disappointed that. while trying to persuade the public in general, he failed to even persuade his own son.0 -
I'm going with that one.AlastairMeeks said:
Or, alternatively, Alex Salmond and you are odious cretins who presume to look into the souls of dead men to make cheap political points, failing to understand that there are human beings out there who accept and respect that decent people can come to different conclusions on the same facts.Dair said:
It is perfectly consistent for someone to offer their offspring completely free reign in their life choices but still be disappointed at some of the choices they might make. There is a considerable difference between telling and hoping.AlastairMeeks said:
On the other hand, here's the impartial judgement of someone writing more than a year ago:Dair said:
Why should he apologise.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Alex Salmond refuses to apologise for saying Tony Benn would be "birling in his grave" at his son Hilary's Syria speech.
He's spot on the money. Tony Benn would be devastated to see his son vote to send British troops into harms way without any benefit from that action and the likely killing of plenty more civilians.
Hilary is a disgrace to his family name. He should be the first name on the Labour cull. They can't continue with a party filled with Red Tories. They know where that will take them, after all, Scotland will be fresh in their minds.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/14/tony-benn-someones-friend-and-mentor/
"One of the attractive aspects of Tony Benn’s intriguing, complex character was that he never demanded of his own family that they should be what used to be called Bennites. His son Hilary has consistently defended the Iraq war that Dad so furiously opposed. The old man was thrilled when his 18 year old granddaughter, Emily, was adopted as a Labour candidate, notwithstanding that she was arguably more Blairite than her Uncle Hilary."
Who to believe, Alex Salmond or someone who knew him personally for many years?
Either Benn's entire political life was one of hypocrisy and ideas he did not believe in or he would be disappointed that. while trying to persuade the public in general, he failed to even persuade his own son.0 -
Maybe just maybe if he was a tad less xenophobic that demographic wouldn't be so difficult for him.kle4 said:
What is he wrong about? (other than assuming they'd have won comfortably in any other northern constituency)watford30 said:
Farage getting his excuses in early.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
Rubbish, Muslims are solid Labour territory. The Tories can't even make inroads let alone UKIP.Philip_Thompson said:
Maybe just maybe if he was a tad less xenophobic that demographic wouldn't be so difficult for him.kle4 said:
What is he wrong about? (other than assuming they'd have won comfortably in any other northern constituency)watford30 said:
Farage getting his excuses in early.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
Perhaps so. That doesn't make comments about a block vote inaccurate, even if one feels he and UKIP may add to one of the reasons that block vote exists.Philip_Thompson said:
Maybe just maybe if he was a tad less xenophobic that demographic wouldn't be so difficult for him.kle4 said:
What is he wrong about? (other than assuming they'd have won comfortably in any other northern constituency)watford30 said:
Farage getting his excuses in early.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-15110 -
Someone gave me a tape or CD of Tony Benn. He's much funnier than than I'd ever thought Infact there aren't many comedians on the circuit who can tell a better tale than him0
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Do you think Nigel xenophobic and if so why?Philip_Thompson said:
Maybe just maybe if he was a tad less xenophobic that demographic wouldn't be so difficult for him.kle4 said:
What is he wrong about? (other than assuming they'd have won comfortably in any other northern constituency)watford30 said:
Farage getting his excuses in early.SimonStClare said:18:18 - Nigel Farage isn't too confident about the postal votes, Laura Hughes reports.
Speaking in UKIP's Royton headquarters, Nigel Farage told journalists: "If this was taking place today in one of dozens of other constituencies in the north of England we would have won it comfortably.
"The reason it's close and the reason I can't be confident about the postal votes is because in this constituency there is a particular block vote that is a very difficult demographic for UKIP."
Asked on where he he was referring to Asians voters as this "block vote", he said: "I'm going to say nothing because otherwise you'll all scream at me."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12031040/oldham-west-royton-by-election-results.html#update-20151203-1511
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The Californian Killers had a bomb making factory in their garage. Now tell me they weren't terrorists.
https://twitter.com/PJMedia_com/status/6724924980574781440 -
Of course, you could equally well argue that Tony Benn's hard-left views were a disgrace to the memory of his father and his grandfathers.0
