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DavidL said:

Delusional indeed.

You really do miss the obvious sometimes.

It has nothing to do with delusion and everything about honesty.

For example, your own position would be far better if you were honest and simply admitted your refusal to back Scotland is entirely based on your current position and that you have been reasonably successful thanks to your hard work/luck/family connections and do not wish to accept any risk to your position (no matter how small) and feel in a good enough position to guarantee your children's own success on the base of your own wealth and contacts. That's a perfectly understandable and honest position.

But you don't want to be honest, the Loyalist cause is filled with lies and nonsense designed to obfuscate and frighten. We know the position of a colonial power to its satellites, the wealth and power flows from the outside to the centre, in our case London and nothing changes this.

No matter how poor the satellite gets (as in the case of Wales) the centre keeps pulling wealth and talent out of the satellite to the centre.

The good part is that enough people have seen past the lies and fear, with open eyes they understand just how one sided the Scottish position is within the Union, how detrimental the Union is to Scotland's future and how nothing about the United Kingdom can change enough to stop the negative far outweighing the tenuous positives.

It's over, it's just a question of time.

Tick Tock.

Richard_Nabavi said:

runnymede said:

Turkey is certainly an important country from a security aspect, but it took 1.2% of UK goods exports last year which I don't think quite qualifies as 'vital' to the economy.

Certainly the security and geo-political aspect is much more important that the economic aspect, no-one would disagree with that.

The biggest threat to the econimic activity/growth potential IS the security aspect

TOPPING said:

Jezza doing well. And makes a good joke on the hoof.

Flat delivery, flat questions

Completely lacking in authenticity

If that is doing well, I hate to see him doing badly

Jezza does make a joke

BMG poll for the Standard on Syria/ISIS

http://bit.ly/1QMhuuK

dr_spyn said:

Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

The nonce-finder general is ever vigilant. No time to smile...

Corbyn seems to have acquired a less dysfunctional jacket this week.

Looks quite smart for once rather than bought from a charity shop.

Look I get it he is dreadful but he is less dreadful than previously...

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

DavidL said:

Knowing that their financial case was "wishful" makes posters like this some of the most dishonest ever used by a mainstream party in the UK.

As Ruth says:

THERE is a principled case for Scottish independence.

I respect those who believe in it, even if I fundamentally and
passionately disagree with them.

For many, the goal of
 independence is worth paying any price. It is an honest position.

And as SO pointed out many times during SINDYRef the SNP were prepared to lie fearlessly to win their case - they only had to win it once.

Ruth is lying and you know it.

She has absolutely no interest in providing a reasonable and accurate view on Scotlands future, and her lies are why she continues to sit on 12% and needed to switch Consolation List to have a decent chance of staying in Holyrood.

Nothing has changed about the utter one sided nature of the current Scottish Fiscal Position. Scotland continues to subsidise England to the tune of about £12bn a year and Scotland will continue to benefit from oil when prices are high and less when prices are low.

There is no likelihood of the current oil price continuing in the long term, we know exactly how the oil price has moved over the years and it will, within the next 3 years be well above the $113 expectation in the White Paper.

But the problem the Loyalists need to face - and can't - is that the Scottish public are more aware and have a greater understanding of the situation than you would normally expect from an electorate. Yes, there were 55% of the population who were stupid and voted No, hurting their own childrens economic future.

But teh 45% who voted yes are ROCK SOLID Yes. Their minds aren't changing while every day more No voters wake up, realise how stupid they have been, and make their mind up that it needs to be Yes and Yes soon.

@Dair

Re oil: I'm sorry, wishing it to be the case doesn't make it so.

Remember natural gas in the US. It was $13/mcf and that stimulated fracking.

The price then fell to $4, and the consensus was "shale gas requires $8 to be profitable. therefore, the price will rapidly recover to at least $8."

The price of natural gas is now - what - $2 in the US.

If you believe the price of oil will be well above $113 in the next three years, can I suggest you sell your house and buy 2018 oil futures. For WTI they are current currently at $53.

Blimey Angus Robertson quoting the Survation poll at PMQS. YouGov must be gutted

TheScreamingEagles said:

Blimey Angus Robertson quoting the Survation poll at PMQS. YouGov must be gutted

And got slapped down very swiftly

@bbclaurak: PM says policy can't be outsourced to a Russian veto - Robertson asking second time

Can't be outsourced to an opinion poll either

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 4m4 minutes ago
Cameron has had opportunity to take Corbyn's head off on security. Hasn't done it. Tories really do have strategy of trying to protect him.

Now out of date as Cameron goes on to attack over shoot-to-kill

@KateEMcCann: PM: "My job, frankly, as prime minister is not to read a survation opinion poll but it's to do the right thing to keep our country safe"

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

DavidL said:

Knowing that their financial case was "wishful" makes posters like this some of the most dishonest ever used by a mainstream party in the UK.

As Ruth says:

THERE is a principled case for Scottish independence.

I respect those who believe in it, even if I fundamentally and
passionately disagree with them.

For many, the goal of
 independence is worth paying any price. It is an honest position.

And as SO pointed out many times during SINDYRef the SNP were prepared to lie fearlessly to win their case - they only had to win it once.

Ruth is lying and you know it..

The idea that you could have a Scotland with high public spending, low taxes, a stable economy and reasonable government debt was wishful a year ago – now it is deluded.

http://rattle.scot/snp-independence-is-dead-start-again-or-shut-up

Someone associated with Independence over 4 years ago might have a different view to the SNP.

SNP and maths.

July 2013 was 'over 4 years ago'.....

But you were warned......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/scottish-independence-after-the-flag-waving

@PickardJE: Cameron to police: "If you have a terrorist threatening to kill people, you can, indeed you must, use lethal force."

Calls for Ken Livingstone to be sacked - more popcorn please!

RobD said:

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

DavidL said:

Knowing that their financial case was "wishful" makes posters like this some of the most dishonest ever used by a mainstream party in the UK.

As Ruth says:

THERE is a principled case for Scottish independence.

I respect those who believe in it, even if I fundamentally and
passionately disagree with them.

For many, the goal of
 independence is worth paying any price. It is an honest position.

And as SO pointed out many times during SINDYRef the SNP were prepared to lie fearlessly to win their case - they only had to win it once.

Ruth is lying and you know it..

The idea that you could have a Scotland with high public spending, low taxes, a stable economy and reasonable government debt was wishful a year ago – now it is deluded.

http://rattle.scot/snp-independence-is-dead-start-again-or-shut-up

I'm SHOCKED, shocked, I tell you.

Someone associated with Independence over 4 years ago might have a different view to the SNP. Shocking. One person's difference of opinion surely undermines everything.

Oh wait...

Though you said everyone who voted yes was ROCK SOLID yes?

Titters.... he doesn't sound that solid in his piece

Bell is calling for a tactical change from the SNP on how it sells Independence, he wants a Line by Line approach to finances to replace the White Paper argument based on macro figures.

He still supports Independence.

But then, if all you read are Loyalist lies from Ruth and co, it's understandable that you might miss that

Plato_Says said:

Angus really needs a word limit on his questions - I forget the point he was making after 150 words.

@PolhomeEditor: Given how badly wrong the pollsters got the general election result, it's odd that Angus Robertson should let them set UK foreign policy.

Roger said:

It would take years and years for Turkey to meet standards that are demanded of EU countries. One of my fears of Europe fragmenting is that theses standards will be ignored in the persuit of the fast buck. The working conditions for Turks are so far away from those in the EU that even from their point of view getting to an EU level would bankrupt them.

Really ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12002350/Paris-France-terror-attacks-isil-Saint-Denis-raid-Molenbeek-suspects-Syria-bombing-live.html#update-20151118-1220

Ben Farmer writes: A British destroyer will provide air defence cover for the French carrier Charles de Gaulle fighting against Isil, the Navy has said.

HMS Defender, one of Britain's advanced Type-45 air defence destroyers, will accompany the French carrier to protect it from air or missile attack.

Casino_Royale said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Royale, it was said earlier in the thread that the NEC are looking to tighten this up so that it's clear the incumbent is automatically on the ballot.

So we're left with three options: (1) orchestrate a mass resignation of the Labour frontbench and make leading the Labour Party so impossible or unpleasant for Corbyn that he's forced to resign (2) Split away in mass block in parliament and form a new party (3) spend the next four years continuing to grumble, shout and moan, with increasing indignation, leaking to the media, and publicly disagreeing with him, and hope he just goes away and the Labour members change their minds about him.

No bets being accepted by me on which one Labour MPs will pick.

What they're more likely to do is to wait until he loses an election, _then_ orchestrate a mass resignation etc etc. The Westminster MPs are lucky that Corbyn's effectiveness at winning over the kind of elderly, conservatory-focused people who do most of the voting in Britain is going to be tested on Welsh Assembly members and Euro MEPs before it gets tried on them.

Miss Plato, aye.

With humour, unless you're going for a Sir Humphrey monologue, it's usually the case that the fewest words have greatest impact. Similarly for political statements (veni, vidi, vici, or we shall fight them on the beaches etc).

Banging on for ages is for people wanting to obfuscate, and for people who are more interested in their own voice than the answer.

Andrew Sparrow:

PMQs - Snap verdict: It took a while for Cameron to deliver the decisive blow, but he got there right at the end, with his well-polished “Kalashnikov-wielding terrorist” line. It was a tad unfair (because we can presume that in these circumstances Corbyn does approve of the trigger being pulled), but the Labour leader has only himself to blame because of hopeless woolliness of his response to a question on this in his BBC interview on Monday.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/nov/18/ken-livingstone-to-co-chair-labours-trident-review-politics-live#block-564c6bfbe4b0e98c91b0d4c8

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

RobD said:

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

DavidL said:

Knowing that their financial case was "wishful" makes posters like this some of the most dishonest ever used by a mainstream party in the UK.

As Ruth says:

THERE is a principled case for Scottish independence.

I respect those who believe in it, even if I fundamentally and
passionately disagree with them.

For many, the goal of
 independence is worth paying any price. It is an honest position.

And as SO pointed out many times during SINDYRef the SNP were prepared to lie fearlessly to win their case - they only had to win it once.

Ruth is lying and you know it..

The idea that you could have a Scotland with high public spending, low taxes, a stable economy and reasonable government debt was wishful a year ago – now it is deluded.

http://rattle.scot/snp-independence-is-dead-start-again-or-shut-up

I'm SHOCKED, shocked, I tell you.

Someone associated with Independence over 4 years ago might have a different view to the SNP. Shocking. One person's difference of opinion surely undermines everything.

Oh wait...

Though you said everyone who voted yes was ROCK SOLID yes?

Titters.... he doesn't sound that solid in his piece

He still supports Independence.

And he describes your, and the SNP's prospectus as 'deluded'.....

One minute the zoomers are complaining that supporters of Independence are all mindless SNP drones.

Now their complaining because some supporters of Independence have different points of view.

Lol, make up your mind. You'd think with the typical Loyalist's low IQ, that wouldn't take long.

dr_spyn said:

Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

SNP and maths.

July 2013 was 'over 4 years ago'.....

But you were warned......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/scottish-independence-after-the-flag-waving

Lol, as far as Zoomers go, you really take the biscuit.

Bell stopped working for the SNP over 4 years ago.

Alex Bell, who quit as head of Alex Salmond's policy unit in July after two years working on his independence strategy,

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/17/alex-salmond-aide-alex-bell-scottish

SNP and maths......

Why should Ken resign? When you insult someone, you intend to cause offence. No point then saying .... I'm sorry for any offence cause.

He may be a shit but he may as well be an honest shit rather than a dishonest one.

@Jake_Wilde: Corbyn appoints a man to look after Maria Eagle
https://t.co/5Hy5AwhWXU https://t.co/o53StSI2uu

Kevan Jones talked about his personal experience of it in the HoC debate, and how hard it was to share given his Men-Are-Men northern attitude.

Fenster said:

Taking the piss out of mental illness doesn't offend me that much and I doubt it offends Kevan Jones that much, but it is such BAD POLITICS and plain stupidity from Ken Livingstone.

You'd think these experienced lefty Labour people would know better. It's almost as if they are out to deliberately wreck the image of the party. Bizarre stuff.

Worth reading the whole post:

A government elected on an independence platform makes a virtue of saying it is putting no effort into researching independence. Instead of this being taken as a terrible admission of failure, it is hailed as proof that no new referendum is imminent. The core policy, one with huge implications for every citizen of the land, is proudly not worked upon. It’s like the Labour government of 1945 boasting it knows nothing about how to set up a National Health Service.

Even more bizarre, SNP supporters approve of this. Where once the movement decried the un-examined state, now it colludes in obscuring the facts. For many decades the party called for Scotland to have an independent economic forecasting unit. Now it is in power it actively talks down the value of impartial macro-economic research. Similarly, the SNP of a few years ago would have killed for a fiscal institute shedding light on our tax base , but the Scottish Government resists cries for such a thing. And the party faithful applaud, as if information itself were now an enemy of destiny.

http://rattle.scot/snp-independence-is-dead-start-again-or-shut-up

As a Unionist I have far more to fear from the analysis of Alex Bell than the (frankly rather pathetic) tub-thumping bellicosity of some 'macho' (sic) posters on here....

Scott_P said:

@Jake_Wilde: Corbyn appoints a man to look after Maria Eagle
https://t.co/5Hy5AwhWXU https://t.co/o53StSI2uu

I read Ms Eagle learnt of Ken’s appointment as co-chair on social media. – Jeremy couldn’t even tell her face to face. – hmmm, I can sympathise with that.

Daily politics play the LBC clip and Ken Livingstone isn't even the most annoying person on it

Why is anyone surprised that HMS Duncan is the lead-escort* to FNS-CdG? There are one (maybe two) T23s joining up later.

Stop watching LG83/RTV24 impetance. France cannot afford sufficient Tier-One escorts; our carriers are still being awaitened....

* T45s do the same for the Septics. As for "Advanced" T45; Geoff 'the' Hoon killed that batch. [Italian pensions and such-like.]

Plato_Says said:

The Ken quote is just revolting - it's very deliberate - not some throwaway phrase like loony.

“I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed.

“He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments.”

Fenster said:

Plato_Says said:

Kevan Jones talked about his personal experience of it in the HoC debate, and how hard it was to share given his Men-Are-Men northern attitude.

Fenster said:

Taking the piss out of mental illness doesn't offend me that much and I doubt it offends Kevan Jones that much, but it is such BAD POLITICS and plain stupidity from Ken Livingstone.

You'd think these experienced lefty Labour people would know better. It's almost as if they are out to deliberately wreck the image of the party. Bizarre stuff.

I know, and I know he's a rough-and-tumble type himself, so probably won't bleat about being offended.

But the fact he did that and Ken knew he did that and then attacked him for being depressed is just..... well, fecking stupid.

What's wrong with these people?!!

It's unbelievable. It's like mocking someone for having cancer.

Faisal Islam just mentioned it on Sky News.

If I were high-up in the Labour party I'd be knocking a lot of heads together. They blame Blairites and Murdoch and the Right Wing Press but what they need to blame is their complete lack of self-awareness. I've never seen a major political party in such an uncivilised, indisciplined mess.

@gsoh31: If #Labour from here track their 2010-15 polls, they will end up with only around 130 seats (-c.100). They stand upon a precipice.

https://twitter.com/tent101/status/666952682402414596

I've never seen a major political party in such an uncivilised, indisciplined mess.

Are the moderates going to do anything? no. That is what is so delicious. It isn;t just the left of labour that is being exposed. Its the jellyfish right of the party.

Fenster said:

Plato_Says said:

The Ken quote is just revolting - it's very deliberate - not some throwaway phrase like loony.

“I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed.

“He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments.”

Fenster said:

Plato_Says said:

Kevan Jones talked about his personal experience of it in the HoC debate, and how hard it was to share given his Men-Are-Men northern attitude.

Fenster said:

Taking the piss out of mental illness doesn't offend me that much and I doubt it offends Kevan Jones that much, but it is such BAD POLITICS and plain stupidity from Ken Livingstone.

You'd think these experienced lefty Labour people would know better. It's almost as if they are out to deliberately wreck the image of the party. Bizarre stuff.

I know, and I know he's a rough-and-tumble type himself, so probably won't bleat about being offended.

But the fact he did that and Ken knew he did that and then attacked him for being depressed is just..... well, fecking stupid.

What's wrong with these people?!!

It's unbelievable. It's like mocking someone for having cancer.

Faisal Islam just mentioned it on Sky News.

If I were high-up in the Labour party I'd be knocking a lot of heads together. They blame Blairites and Murdoch and the Right Wing Press but what they need to blame is their complete lack of self-awareness. I've never seen a major political party in such an uncivilised, indisciplined mess.



I thought the Tories were "the nasty Party".. I can't recall anything quite like this (but my memory is degrading as my circuits fail)

SLAB are starting to fight it out for the list seats.

It might be illegal to bribe the electorate to win a seat. But it seems perfectly acceptable to bribe the party electorate in order to become a candidate.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/14031594.No_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch__Ousted_MP_Anas_Sawar_throwing_banquet_for_scores_of_Scottish_Labour_faithful/?ref=rss

In the blink of an eye, three of the most pro terrorist, pro Islam, anti British politicians in the country are heading up the opposition, while we are in more danger than ever before from Britain hating Islamic terrorism... it is quite incredible.

I'm finding the general invertebrate nature of Labour right now quite perplexing.

This stuff is off the charts of acceptable even using the broadest definition - and still they mostly stand around looking at their shoes.

taffys said:

I've never seen a major political party in such an uncivilised, indisciplined mess.

Are the moderates going to do anything? no. That is what is so delicious. It isn;t just the left of labour that is being exposed. Its the jellyfish right of the party.

Fenster said:

Plato_Says said:

The Ken quote is just revolting - it's very deliberate - not some throwaway phrase like loony.

“I think he might need some psychiatric help. He's obviously very depressed and disturbed.

“He should pop off and see his GP before he makes these offensive comments.”

Fenster said:

Plato_Says said:

Kevan Jones talked about his personal experience of it in the HoC debate, and how hard it was to share given his Men-Are-Men northern attitude.

Fenster said:

Taking the piss out of mental illness doesn't offend me that much and I doubt it offends Kevan Jones that much, but it is such BAD POLITICS and plain stupidity from Ken Livingstone.

You'd think these experienced lefty Labour people would know better. It's almost as if they are out to deliberately wreck the image of the party. Bizarre stuff.

I know, and I know he's a rough-and-tumble type himself, so probably won't bleat about being offended.

But the fact he did that and Ken knew he did that and then attacked him for being depressed is just..... well, fecking stupid.

What's wrong with these people?!!

It's unbelievable. It's like mocking someone for having cancer.

Faisal Islam just mentioned it on Sky News.

If I were high-up in the Labour party I'd be knocking a lot of heads together. They blame Blairites and Murdoch and the Right Wing Press but what they need to blame is their complete lack of self-awareness. I've never seen a major political party in such an uncivilised, indisciplined mess.



If it were a tory saying that, the Guardian would have had 4 opinion pieces on it already.

Mann I have total confidence in Hilary Benn....

John Mann on whether he has confidence on Corbyn: “I have total faith and confidence, as does everyone in the PLP, in Hilary Benn.” #bbcdp

Plato_Says said:

John Mann on whether he has confidence on Corbyn: “I have total faith and confidence, as does everyone in the PLP, in Hilary Benn.” #bbcdp

Game on!