An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions, designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
Those YouGov numbers have shifted A LOT - 22pt rise [to 49%] in those who want fewer or no refugees here, 16pt fall [to 20%] in those who think we should take more refugees.
If Corbyn was spouting incoherent gibberish, the episode would be unremarkable except as a sign of Labour’s hastening march into irrelevance. What makes it insidious is the semi-coherence, the fluency of his ellipses and the cold diffidence, mingled with didactic vanity, that seemed to urge his audience to get beyond the banal horror of the headlines, to reach the deeper insight available to those, like himself, who have been warning about interventionist folly (he reminded us) since 2001.
A first instinct to talk about national security not as an aspiring prime minister but as a campaigner at a rally against police brutality is plainly bad news for Labour prospects. More than that, however, it retards efforts to persuade anybody not already converted to Mr Corbyn’s cause of the important argument about the need to build security upon something more than bullets and bombs. It is his duty to raise his game.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
Without an effective Navy what could he do? We haven’t got the ships we had in 1982, and it’s a long way from any substantial air-bases. Unless I’m much mistaken.
Neither has Argentina.
The 2013 Argentine defence budget allowed for their 15 operational vessels to each spend less than 11 days at sea, while their submarines averaged just over 6 hours submerged in the whole of 2012.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I think it's 3 minus the dead woman bomber, plus another woman elsewhere plus the guy who said on the radio that he'd rented out the flat they are in - but had no idea who they were.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
Well said. Our forces are from memory the fourth largest in the world by funding and unlike three decades ago there is a permanent base in and around the Falklands that a tinpot nation will need to get past.
Looked it up. Current defence forces should be enough to deter the Argies, should they be thinking of trying again.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Yes. I've read it. I didn't need convincing. Homoeopathy should be shed by the struggling NHS, spidery handwritten letters from Charles notwithstanding.
Labour backbenchers gave Jeremy Corbyn a frightful kicking in the Commons Chamber.
Their lusty disrespect electrified the House, setting off whispering, cluckings and low-key laughter. Loyalty to party leader was thrown aside.
Labour rebels did not even try to look doleful as they set about him. Piranhas razoring into an angler’s shin might have shown daintier manners – a greater sense of ‘no, Clarence, after you’
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
Well said. Our forces are from memory the fourth largest in the world by funding and unlike three decades ago there is a permanent base in and around the Falklands that a tinpot nation will need to get past.
Looked it up. Current defence forces should be enough to deter the Argies, should they be thinking of trying again.
Also we have been making continued investments in our armed forces, while the Argentinians are still using similar tech as 30 years ago. Just one of our type 45 destroyers could take down the combined air force of all the countries in South America.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I think his resignation is the most likely and quickest way. If that doesn't happen it is going to have to come down to evidence from the ballot box. So, the loss of Oldham, or into next year the mayorality, Scotland and so on, will start to undermine his support. The signs that nothing but catastrophic defeat lies ahead will bring many to their senses.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I think his resignation is the most likely and quickest way. If that doesn't happen it is going to have to come down to evidence from the ballot box. So, the loss of Oldham, or into next year the mayorality, Scotland and so on, will start to undermine his support. The signs that nothing but catastrophic defeat lies ahead will bring many to their senses.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Yes. I've read it. I didn't need convincing. Homoeopathy should be shed by the struggling NHS, spidery handwritten letters from Charles notwithstanding.
Sign of the times - Saint-Denis residents have never seen anything like this, it's a huge operation. But they're not calling the police, they're calling local TV stations to say they are terrified and ask what's happening.
Schools closed today and public transport cancelled.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Goldacre is excellent on medical stuff - I'd recommend his book 'Bad Pharma' as well.
However sometimes he can sometimes have a bit of the Dawkins about him, especially when he strays off medical matters. I went to see him at Bath book festival a few years ago and he was slightly obnoxious at times in responding to questions.
Those YouGov numbers have shifted A LOT - 22pt rise [to 49%] in those who want fewer or no refugees here, 16pt fall [to 20%] in those who think we should take more refugees.
I can see people, hardened Labour voters, in my social media timelines elsewhere who have switched from being vehemently non-interventionist in Syria in 2013 to feeling that there is no choice but to intervene with the same objectives as Afghanistan - denying safe space, supporting the best of all the bad government options in Syria, tearing down ISIS infrastructure and power base.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Yes. I've read it. I didn't need convincing. Homoeopathy should be shed by the struggling NHS, spidery handwritten letters from Charles notwithstanding.
Why? It's much cheaper than normal drugs
Isn't Elton John one of England's stately homeopaths?
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions, designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
"It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions"
lol - no shit Sherlock - they did everything but point and name him!
Those YouGov numbers have shifted A LOT - 22pt rise [to 49%] in those who want fewer or no refugees here, 16pt fall [to 20%] in those who think we should take more refugees.
Of course the Liberal Left are ignoring the fact that most polls on the 'refugee' issue have shown very clear support for the Cameron approach.
Front page of the Guardian agrees with the Home Secretary, Paris is nothing to do with religion. The only difference between Clegg and Cameron is one of them is PM.
What an ineffective, insipid bunch of liberals we have running the country. Russia has allied with France and launched attacks, Cameron has pledged to look at strategy. Still, at least he looked concerned at the football last night.
Of course it's not simply due to religion. I'm an atheist who dislikes religion and even I'd accept that
A quarter of the world's population is Muslim but these atrocities are not routine and not normal. This is medieval barbarism and not what a quarter of the globe believes in.
It doesn't need to be. Let's say the world population is 7.2 billion - that's 1.8 billion Muslims. Let's estimate the attraction of medievalism at 1 in 500 - that provides 3.5 million potential terrorists. Quite enough to destroy Western civilization with.
No not enough to destroy western civilization with. Because our police and security forces are very good at what they do so it is only when they fail to prevent a disaster that it occurs. Just because someone wishes to do us harm does not mean it will succeed.
Since this barbarism first really struck the west in 2001 our civilization hasn't failed and life by and large goes on. More people will die this year in traffic accidents than terrorist atrocities. We will not surrender to this barbarism.
You are right in a way. The insidious fifth-column warped ideology of the Left is more of a danger to society and our general well-being than terrorism. It certainly kills more people. See the NHS as an example of how the dogmatic Left and the blind fervour of another quasi-religion will kill more people this year than traffic accidents and terrorist atrocities combined.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I think his resignation is the most likely and quickest way. If that doesn't happen it is going to have to come down to evidence from the ballot box. So, the loss of Oldham, or into next year the mayorality, Scotland and so on, will start to undermine his support. The signs that nothing but catastrophic defeat lies ahead will bring many to their senses.
Why should he resign?
As I said, a big rebellion against the whip on the Syria vote.
ICYMI last night the Corbyn comedy circus continues
@georgeeaton: Ken Livingstone revealed tonight that he will be co-chair of Labour's defence review with Maria Eagle - pair opposed on Trident.
@tnewtondunn: Senior Labour MP texts with news about Ken Livingstone co-chairing Labour defence review... "You couldn't make this shit up".
To be fair to Corbyn, it's probably a really clever move. Livingstone will have some intimate knowledge of the sort of people we might have to be fighting in a few years. Knowledge of the wrong sort perhaps, but knowledge is knowledge.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Goldacre is excellent on medical stuff - I'd recommend his book 'Bad Pharma' as well.
However sometimes he can sometimes have a bit of the Dawkins about him, especially when he strays off medical matters. I went to see him at Bath book festival a few years ago and he was slightly obnoxious at times in responding to questions.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I think his resignation is the most likely and quickest way. If that doesn't happen it is going to have to come down to evidence from the ballot box. So, the loss of Oldham, or into next year the mayorality, Scotland and so on, will start to undermine his support. The signs that nothing but catastrophic defeat lies ahead will bring many to their senses.
Why should he resign?
As I said, a big rebellion against the whip on the Syria vote.
He will merely see that as confirmation that he needs to tighten his grip on the party machine. He already knows the MPs don't have confidence in him.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
@ MD @ 8:34: That's a brilliant clip. But sometimes/often a mind can stay closed to logic. Let such pay for it themselves. I think most of the Republican candidates may believe in or tend towards H"""""""pathy. Egads. I'm trying not to panic.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
@JananGanesh: How many events have ever made anyone change their mind about anything? My timeline has been a waterfall of confirmation bias since Friday.
I think it has in France but we are not going to learn from their experiences.
Tragically, I think it might take a string of attacks in places like Shoreditch, Camden, Hackney, Islington, Bristol and Manchester to shift opinion here.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Yes. I've read it. I didn't need convincing. Homoeopathy should be shed by the struggling NHS, spidery handwritten letters from Charles notwithstanding.
Why? It's much cheaper than normal drugs
Isn't Elton John one of England's stately homeopaths?
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I think his resignation is the most likely and quickest way. If that doesn't happen it is going to have to come down to evidence from the ballot box. So, the loss of Oldham, or into next year the mayorality, Scotland and so on, will start to undermine his support. The signs that nothing but catastrophic defeat lies ahead will bring many to their senses.
Why should he resign?
As I said, a big rebellion against the whip on the Syria vote.
He will merely see that as confirmation that he needs to tighten his grip on the party machine. He already knows the MPs don't have confidence in him.
Fair enough, and we shall see. But I rather think there's a part of Corbyn that's looking for a way out, and that would provide an opportunity.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Yes. I've read it. I didn't need convincing. Homoeopathy should be shed by the struggling NHS, spidery handwritten letters from Charles notwithstanding.
Why? It's much cheaper than normal drugs
By diluting its budget NHS homeopathy becomes more powerful!
Newsnight lastnight on iplayer interview with French police is worth watching. The bullet proof shield from Bataclan with 27 bullet dents is just part of the story. Very brave men.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Yes. I've read it. I didn't need convincing. Homoeopathy should be shed by the struggling NHS, spidery handwritten letters from Charles notwithstanding.
Why? It's much cheaper than normal drugs
We could cut taxes further by scrapping the NHS altogether, come to that.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
Without an effective Navy what could he do? We haven’t got the ships we had in 1982, and it’s a long way from any substantial air-bases. Unless I’m much mistaken.
Unlike 30 years ago, the Falklands are defended now.
There are 3-4 advanced fighter jets, a destroyer, a company of infantry and decent logistics and signals support.
It'd be enough to severely disrupt or stall anything but a truly serious landing. The thinking is that there'd be sufficient warning at 72+ hours to reinforce Mount Pleasant if needed.
The true vulnerability would be a surprise attack to take out the airbase and, in particular, cripple its runway.
Once the aircraft carriers come online with planes (hopefully) in 2019/2020 that should be slightly less of a concern.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
The Argentines no longer want the Falklands anyway it seems or at least not as a priority, polls show Mauricio Macri will defeat Kirchner's candidate on Sunday and become Argentina's new president on a platform of resetting the relationship with the UK on a more positive footing and focusing on the economy, Las Malvinas are not a priority for him
@JananGanesh: How many events have ever made anyone change their mind about anything? My timeline has been a waterfall of confirmation bias since Friday.
I think it has in France but we are not going to learn from their experiences.
Tragically, I think it might take a string of attacks in places like Shoreditch, Camden, Hackney, Islington, Bristol and Manchester to shift opinion here.
I'm with Mr Ganesh, I sense that the mood has changed. I was always against military operations but I've changed my mind. A lot of the people I talk to are far more vociferous.
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
Do you care to point out the basis of this 'general consensus' ?
Those YouGov numbers have shifted A LOT - 22pt rise [to 49%] in those who want fewer or no refugees here, 16pt fall [to 20%] in those who think we should take more refugees.
Of course the Liberal Left are ignoring the fact that most polls on the 'refugee' issue have shown very clear support for the Cameron approach.
It's depressing to see use of idiotic Fox News terms like "liberal left" spreading here.
I haven't shaved for a couple of days and have ten times the facial hair.
Edited extra bit: as someone who doesn't want a beard, I'm somewhat jealous of those who started shaving late and don't need to shave much.
I decided to try growing a beard to see if it made me look sophisticated. Turned out after 2 weeks I looked like I should be an organ grinder with a monkey on my shoulder.
Those YouGov numbers have shifted A LOT - 22pt rise [to 49%] in those who want fewer or no refugees here, 16pt fall [to 20%] in those who think we should take more refugees.
Of course the Liberal Left are ignoring the fact that most polls on the 'refugee' issue have shown very clear support for the Cameron approach.
It's depressing to see use of idiotic Fox News terms like "liberal left" spreading here.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced* bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
Edited extra bit: *for context, at university three separate people said I looked like a psychopath/serial killer within my first few weeks there,
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I'm not sure the parliamentary party care too much if the Labour membership see such a move as contempt for democracy. They mass nominated Gordon Brown to the exclusion of all others, and imposed him as PM on the rest of us without any vote whatsoever.
The key thing is excluding him from the ballot paper.
Could Corbyn find 35 MPs to nominate him again, or just be stuck at his fan club of 20-25?
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced* bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
Edited extra bit: *for context, at university three separate people said I looked like a psychopath/serial killer within my first few weeks there,
I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
I am pleased to announce a new twitter campaign. It will be called Don't Unseat Corbyn Early, hashtag DUCE. The hashtag will,of course,be pronounced in the Italian way.Subscriptions will be £3. Our purpose is to celebrate and support our beloved leader to whom we cry : Duce,sei tutti noi. Leader you are all of us.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced* bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
Edited extra bit: *for context, at university three separate people said I looked like a psychopath/serial killer within my first few weeks there,
Shadow Defence Minister Kevan Jones said the surprise move [appointment of Livingstone to co-chair Labour's Trident review] would damage Labour's "credibility" on defence. Mr Jones has held the defence brief for seven years, and served as a minister under Gordon Brown.
He said: "I'm not sure Ken knows anything about defence.
"It will only damage our credibility amongst those that do and who care about defence." Another Labour MP said of Mr Livingstone's appointment: "I assumed it was a joke when I first heard about it."
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
The Argentines no longer want the Falklands anyway it seems or at least not as a priority, polls show Mauricio Macri will defeat Kirchner's candidate on Sunday and become Argentina's new president on a platform of resetting the relationship with the UK on a more positive footing and focusing on the economy, Las Malvinas are not a priority for him
The Argentines want the Falkland Islands very much and are effectively taught as much at school, and reminded not to forget it through government sponsored public advertising.
What they are sick of is being an economic and international pariah.
I am pleased to announce a new twitter campaign. It will be called Don't Unseat Corbyn Early, hashtag DUCE. The hashtag will,of course,be pronounced in the Italian way.Subscriptions will be £3. Our purpose is to celebrate and support our beloved leader to whom we cry : Duce,sei tutti noi. Leader you are all of us.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced* bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
Edited extra bit: *for context, at university three separate people said I looked like a psychopath/serial killer within my first few weeks there,
Front page of the Guardian agrees with the Home Secretary, Paris is nothing to do with religion. The only difference between Clegg and Cameron is one of them is PM.
What an ineffective, insipid bunch of liberals we have running the country. Russia has allied with France and launched attacks, Cameron has pledged to look at strategy. Still, at least he looked concerned at the football last night.
I think it will be hard for them to admit it has something to do with religion - but they will have to sooner or later.
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
ever see that Simpsons episode where Homer is shaving his shoulders? (I think he's even singing a little song about shaving his shoulders)
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
ever see that Simpsons episode where Homer is shaving his shoulders? (I think he's even singing a little song about shaving his shoulders)
"Labour MPs should take the Syria vote opportunity, when it comes, to attempt to force an early resignation by voting on mass with the government."
I don't think Corbyn will be unfamiliar with being in a small minority within the parliamentary party. I'd be surprised if he'd take the hint and resign
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
ever see that Simpsons episode where Homer is shaving his shoulders? (I think he's even singing a little song about shaving his shoulders)
I am probably the only person outside North Korea who has never seen the Simpsons. I just don't watch network TV.
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
ever see that Simpsons episode where Homer is shaving his shoulders? (I think he's even singing a little song about shaving his shoulders)
I am probably the only person outside North Korea who has never seen the Simpsons. I just don't watch network TV.
Well, me either these days. I guess that was from > 10 yrs ago
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
The Argentines no longer want the Falklands anyway it seems or at least not as a priority, polls show Mauricio Macri will defeat Kirchner's candidate on Sunday and become Argentina's new president on a platform of resetting the relationship with the UK on a more positive footing and focusing on the economy, Las Malvinas are not a priority for him
The Argentines want the Falkland Islands very much and are effectively taught as much at school, and reminded not to forget it through government sponsored public advertising.
What they are sick of is being an economic and international pariah.
Once they have a president and government less concerned with it that will filter through
I had a BF who had his back waxed. It looked bizarre as it stopped at the top of his shoulders and the fur carried on down the front/sides. When it went stubbly - it poked through his shirt - urgh urgh urgh.
In my dotage, I've decided to go for the witch look and let my hair grow - it's down to my backside now. I have the broomstick and cats - not keen on growing a wart though.
Miss Plato, not sure an angry-faced bald [well, shaved head] chap with a massive beard is a good look.
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
I'm the same -shaved on top to avoid a comb over. With a beard it looks like my hair fell through my skull. If I let my hair grow long it looks like it has slipped backwards.
ever see that Simpsons episode where Homer is shaving his shoulders? (I think he's even singing a little song about shaving his shoulders)
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I'm not sure the parliamentary party care too much if the Labour membership see such a move as contempt for democracy. They mass nominated Gordon Brown to the exclusion of all others, and imposed him as PM on the rest of us without any vote whatsoever.
The key thing is excluding him from the ballot paper.
Could Corbyn find 35 MPs to nominate him again, or just be stuck at his fan club of 20-25?
Michael Howard was imposed on Tory members without a vote by MPs after IDS
An interesting dilemma for Labour ... do they oppose Jezza when he talks about security and tried to lose even the most committed supporter, or do they shout him down and look like a divided party? I suspect the latter is less damaging.
The best option may be a shoot to kill policy on Jezza.
It seems to me that there was a certain degree of coordination in yesterday's questions designed to undermine Jezza. I think they're probably waiting for a trigger event to attempt a coup. Could be the Syria vote, or losing Oldham, but after yesterday I do think the end is likely to come quite soon. Certainly hope so.
What route do you see to the end? If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to go, how are his opponents going to make him? If he's directly challenged by the Parliamentary Labour Party, he'd explicitly run against them and in all probability win. If they try to exclude him from the ballot paper 1) they may not be able to 2) even if they're able to he may in practice get the necessary number of nominations 3) if they succeed in excluding him, the membership will correctly see this as a contempt for democracy.
I'm not sure the parliamentary party care too much if the Labour membership see such a move as contempt for democracy. They mass nominated Gordon Brown to the exclusion of all others, and imposed him as PM on the rest of us without any vote whatsoever.
The key thing is excluding him from the ballot paper.
Could Corbyn find 35 MPs to nominate him again, or just be stuck at his fan club of 20-25?
Dear oh dear. He will not need nominating. He is the incumbent. But let us suppose the parliamentary party did find some subterfuge to remove him, what effect will that have on the membership? They will go ape. Labour are split. Who would replace Corbyn? The normal factionalism within Labour would only return. Labour dug themselves a big hole and then fell in it.
Corbyn needs to stay until 2020 because the Stop the War Coalition' need him there so they can deselect their opponents in the PLP and get their own people in. Corbyn was not elected by the PLP. Him being leader is none of their business. If the PLP is down to 200 the STWC do not care. They have a golden opportunity to control the labour party.
Good journalist, Ben Goldacre, especially regarding research in things medical He's numerate and understands how science works. We need more such. I miss his regular Guardian articles.
Goldacre is excellent on medical stuff - I'd recommend his book 'Bad Pharma' as well.
However sometimes he can sometimes have a bit of the Dawkins about him, especially when he strays off medical matters. I went to see him at Bath book festival a few years ago and he was slightly obnoxious at times in responding to questions.
A friend of mine saw him give a TED talk and he also said that Goldacre was a bit rude and arrogant when responding to questions.
But I agree Bad Science is a truly excellent book,
I did speculate that the Paris attacks would make people aware of the need for more european solidarity.
More gunfire in Paris St Denis. Relates to a police raid it seems.
You think Frau Merkel will stop inviting the Middle East to come and stay ?
Right now it looks like none of the Paris attackers were Syrian refugees as those passports have turned out to be fakes. All seem to have been living in Europe as citizens of their country.
Did they not use those passports to gain access to Europe?
I did speculate that the Paris attacks would make people aware of the need for more european solidarity.
More gunfire in Paris St Denis. Relates to a police raid it seems.
You think Frau Merkel will stop inviting the Middle East to come and stay ?
Right now it looks like none of the Paris attackers were Syrian refugees as those passports have turned out to be fakes. All seem to have been living in Europe as citizens of their country.
Did they not use those passports to gain access to Europe?
If the Argies had any sense they'd invade Los Malvinas again now, Cameron would huff and puff and do nothing.
They could try. They'd probably fail.
I love the way so many people on the left and right of politics are so keen to dismiss our military capabilities: the left because they don't want them, and the right because they don't think they're good enough.
I think the general consensus is that we cannot defend them, but thankfully the Argentinians cannot mount an invasion, their Navy having declined even more than ours.
Do you care to point out the basis of this 'general consensus' ?
The general consensus must be amongst the various chattering voices in Lovely Boys head.
Unlike 1982, the Falklands has a large, modern airfield and a much larger defending force. Could the Argentinians raise an attacking from their heavily depleted military they'd have a difficult fight on their hands, assuming there was no advance warning from intelligence sources, and reinforcement of the islands.
There's the added bonus of the prospect of a salvo or two of TLAMs slamming into Buenos Aires to focus minds too.
Interesting that they think the ring leader was from a relatively privileged background who went to private schools. Not uncommon among revolutionary leaders including Che. Probably no better explanation than private schools pride themselves on teaching leadership
Speaking of network TV, the Democrat debate last Saturday on CBS had just over 8 million people watching, less than half the last one. Saturday is a low viewership night.
Looking at the schedule, it looks like they have deliberately scheduled the debates on saturdays or sundays which is against either college or NFL football.
They have a thursday debate on PBS -again competing with the NFL.
Comments
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/17/labour-mps-back-their-leader-david-cameron
Rafael Behr shoots to kill:
If Corbyn was spouting incoherent gibberish, the episode would be unremarkable except as a sign of Labour’s hastening march into irrelevance. What makes it insidious is the semi-coherence, the fluency of his ellipses and the cold diffidence, mingled with didactic vanity, that seemed to urge his audience to get beyond the banal horror of the headlines, to reach the deeper insight available to those, like himself, who have been warning about interventionist folly (he reminded us) since 2001.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/17/jihadism-western-policy-jeremy-corbyn-isis
Michael White:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/17/jeremy-corbyn-on-syria-wrong-man-saying-wrong-things-at-the-right-time
And a Leader:
A first instinct to talk about national security not as an aspiring prime minister but as a campaigner at a rally against police brutality is plainly bad news for Labour prospects. More than that, however, it retards efforts to persuade anybody not already converted to Mr Corbyn’s cause of the important argument about the need to build security upon something more than bullets and bombs. It is his duty to raise his game.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/17/the-guardian-view-on-labour-and-terrorism-jeremy-corbyn-deserves-a-hearing-but-refuses-to-help-britain-listen
The 2013 Argentine defence budget allowed for their 15 operational vessels to each spend less than 11 days at sea, while their submarines averaged just over 6 hours submerged in the whole of 2012.
That means over eight million Labour voters don't.
Has any leader of any party ever been so out of tune with the people who actually vote for them in general elections?
Should be a sombre PMQs.
"This short YouTube clip is very moving. No political point as such, other than a small example of the human impact of last Friday:"
The hippies are making a comeback....
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/63/5b/db/635bdbe602135166d0e52068928f0bc5.jpg
A nuclear option but hey... it'd be entertaining precedent.
If people want to spend their own money on such things, fine. But taxpayers' money is another matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0
Schools closed today and public transport cancelled.
However sometimes he can sometimes have a bit of the Dawkins about him, especially when he strays off medical matters. I went to see him at Bath book festival a few years ago and he was slightly obnoxious at times in responding to questions.
The mood is moving with all these things.
lol - no shit Sherlock - they did everything but point and name him!
That's a brilliant clip. But sometimes/often a mind can stay closed to logic. Let such pay for it themselves.
I think most of the Republican candidates may believe in or tend towards H"""""""pathy. Egads. I'm trying not to panic.
Tragically, I think it might take a string of attacks in places like Shoreditch, Camden, Hackney, Islington, Bristol and Manchester to shift opinion here.
Newsnight lastnight on iplayer interview with French police is worth watching. The bullet proof shield from Bataclan with 27 bullet dents is just part of the story. Very brave men.
Police in balaclavas (and presumably uniforms) have entered the Town Hall.
Ben Brown looks like he hasn't slept or shaved for a week, poor bugger.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/09/12/what-the-labour-leadership-election-rules-say-about-removing-a-leader/
It'd be enough to severely disrupt or stall anything but a truly serious landing. The thinking is that there'd be sufficient warning at 72+ hours to reinforce Mount Pleasant if needed.
The true vulnerability would be a surprise attack to take out the airbase and, in particular, cripple its runway.
Once the aircraft carriers come online with planes (hopefully) in 2019/2020 that should be slightly less of a concern.
http://order-order.com/2015/11/18/ken-blamed-paris-and-boston-attacks-on-the-west-defended-putin-and-hamas/
Livingston is and has always has been a piece of work.
I haven't shaved for a couple of days and have ten times the facial hair.
Edited extra bit: as someone who doesn't want a beard, I'm somewhat jealous of those who started shaving late and don't need to shave much.
oh, was that not what you meant?
Tykes are naturally hirsute
As said so many times, people which don't vote....don't vote.
EDIT Have you considered the ZZ Top look? Or perhaps someone could mistake you for a jihadist?
I'm mildly curious about how far it'd grow (never let it be more than a few days), but I really don't want a beard. Only Alan Rickman, Brian Blessed, and pirates can make beards work.
Edited extra bit: *for context, at university three separate people said I looked like a psychopath/serial killer within my first few weeks there,
The key thing is excluding him from the ballot paper.
Could Corbyn find 35 MPs to nominate him again, or just be stuck at his fan club of 20-25?
Mr Jones has held the defence brief for seven years, and served as a minister under Gordon Brown.
He said: "I'm not sure Ken knows anything about defence.
"It will only damage our credibility amongst those that do and who care about defence."
Another Labour MP said of Mr Livingstone's appointment: "I assumed it was a joke when I first heard about it."
https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/shadow-minister-blasts-ken-livingstone-defence-appointment#sthash.MrsKIIWx.dpuf
What they are sick of is being an economic and international pariah.
No doubt later and after a lot more dead.
Look, if using human skin to make my own furniture and the intestines of my enemies to string my tennis racket makes me a psychopath, then fine.
Mr. Swan, you weren't involved in DUEMA, were you?
Miss Plato, every cloud has a silver lining
"Labour MPs should take the Syria vote opportunity, when it comes, to attempt to force an early resignation by voting on mass with the government."
I don't think Corbyn will be unfamiliar with being in a small minority within the parliamentary party. I'd be surprised if he'd take the hint and resign
http://mentalfloss.com/uk/movies/27139/the-hidden-meaning-of-the-silence-of-the-lambs-iconic-line
But let us suppose the parliamentary party did find some subterfuge to remove him, what effect will that have on the membership? They will go ape. Labour are split. Who would replace Corbyn? The normal factionalism within Labour would only return. Labour dug themselves a big hole and then fell in it.
Corbyn needs to stay until 2020 because the Stop the War Coalition' need him there so they can deselect their opponents in the PLP and get their own people in. Corbyn was not elected by the PLP. Him being leader is none of their business. If the PLP is down to 200 the STWC do not care. They have a golden opportunity to control the labour party.
But I agree Bad Science is a truly excellent book,
But then, I didn't think there was a treatment for being a psychopath. And that MAOIs were used for depression (since superceded by SSRIs).
Unlike 1982, the Falklands has a large, modern airfield and a much larger defending force. Could the Argentinians raise an attacking from their heavily depleted military they'd have a difficult fight on their hands, assuming there was no advance warning from intelligence sources, and reinforcement of the islands.
There's the added bonus of the prospect of a salvo or two of TLAMs slamming into Buenos Aires to focus minds too.
Looking at the schedule, it looks like they have deliberately scheduled the debates on saturdays or sundays which is against either college or NFL football.
They have a thursday debate on PBS -again competing with the NFL.
The last one is on a wednesday - on Univision.