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Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.0
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I'm not offended, but I don't like the message that advert sends out one little bit. I think its important we make some cultural noise when advertisers photoshop womens bodies, give them impossibly small waists and improbably large breasts and tell our daughters that anyone without a body like that is not *ready* for the beach.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Antifrank, not familiar with the advert, but some people will bitch about anything. Being offended is very fashionable.
When your completely normally proportioned daughter is crying because she's *fat* - well actually she's kinda right. Through adverts like this, we create a distorted world in which she actually *is* fat.
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Hell yeahhhhhhh....I mean REEM...YOLO....Financier said:
He 'represents' the Yoof in EdM's mind, an area where Ed is completely out of his depth.Slackbladder said:Can someone tell me why on earth Miliband is courting Russell Brand?
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40th birthday party and you all sit around talking about political strategy?Financier said:Was invited to a coming-of-age celebration (a lady had turned 40, so perhaps it was a commiseration) at a local hostelry last might.
Among the ~60 people, there was a wide range of political loyalties and quite a lively discussion. Those in favour of wish-lists collapsed under the avalanche of "how will you do it/pay for it" questions, but the consensus of the vast majority was 'don't rock the boat' and 'steady as she goes'. Even non-supporters and critics thought the coalition had done a reasonable and fair job under the circumstances of a peacetime coalition and unforseen events.
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Being in love with yourself turns every relationship into a love triangle...isam said:
Can only speak as I have found from people I know in here Essex...Slackbladder said:Can someone tell me why on earth Miliband is courting Russell Brand?
Girls swoon over him and think he is v clever
Men think he is a total prick
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Socialist architecture.JosiasJessop said:Sadly the nightmarish developments built in the 1960s and 1970s hurt the public image of high-rise housing.
Docklands and Paddington Basin are full of residential high rises and they are hugely sought after.
You don't piss in the lifts when your service charges are paying for the lifts.
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Mr. Pong, I think there's something in that, but it's worth recalling half of all people are women, and women make around 80% of all purchases. If women choose to buy into such things then such things will continue to be used in marketing. Of course, if consumers use their power in boycotts or buying alternatives, things will change.0
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Dolphin Square?Bond_James_Bond said:
Socialist architecture.JosiasJessop said:Sadly the nightmarish developments built in the 1960s and 1970s hurt the public image of high-rise housing.
Docklands and Paddington Basin are full of residential high rises and they are hugely sought after.
You don't piss in the lifts when your service charges are paying for the lifts.0 -
GDP +0.3%
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GDP only 0.3%0
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Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Charlton Athletic? On "proper boundaries"?Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Also Essex, North Riding of Yorkshire, Westmoreland. Not Lincolnshire though, thanks to Grimsby Town.0 -
One time people would have been secure enough in their personal identity, and grounded enough in their life to ignore all this sort of crap and treat it like the fluff it is. Over the last few decades we have conspired to raise insecure children who feel a constant need for instant gratification and then act all surprised when they have a poor reaction to this sort of advertisement.Pong said:
I'm not offended, but I don't like the message that advert sends out one little bit. I think its important we make some cultural noise when advertisers photoshop womens bodies, give them impossibly small waists and improbably large breasts and tell our daughters that anyone without a body like that is not *ready* for the beach.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Antifrank, not familiar with the advert, but some people will bitch about anything. Being offended is very fashionable.
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@GdnPolitics: On this fourth #EdBallsDay, has the hype become too much? http://t.co/HZH1JVimkG0
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You presume too much Madam.Tissue_Price said:
I see the ARSE is slowly converging on my competition predictions. Just shift a few of the yellow peril over to the yellower peril and you'll nearly be there, Jack.JackW said:BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS ****
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
My ARSE will not be trifled with or take cognisance of such flirtations as "competition predictions". Such frivolity has no place in the serious business of my mighty organ.
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O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.0 -
Mr. Kendrick, asking the voters every Parliament to alter the voting system is a very EU approach to it.0
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Con + LibDem = 335 seats, plus ça change ...... simples.JackW said:BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS ****
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 21 seats short of a majority
Turnout Projection .. 67.5% (NC)
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)0 -
Well, at least we can be confident that our politicians are not interfering in economic statistics.JohnO said:GDP only 0.3%
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West Ham is within Essex’ traditional boundaries. As you can gather by visiting many Essex pubs when football is under discussion.The_Woodpecker said:Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Charlton Athletic? On "proper boundaries"?Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Also Essex, North Riding of Yorkshire, Westmoreland. Not Lincolnshire though, thanks to Grimsby Town.
And wasn’t Middlesborough once in N Yorks?0 -
Ahem. We've always been like this: just look at fashion trends over the ages. If you don't dress like us, you're not one of us. Want to lead an exciting life? Smoke Marlboro.Indigo said:
One time people would have been secure enough in their personal identity, and grounded enough in their life to ignore all this sort of crap and treat it like the fluff it is. Over the last few decades we have conspired to raise insecure children who feel a constant need for instant gratification and then act all surprised when they have a poor reaction to this sort of advertisement.Pong said:
I'm not offended, but I don't like the message that advert sends out one little bit. I think its important we make some cultural noise when advertisers photoshop womens bodies, give them impossibly small waists and improbably large breasts and tell our daughters that anyone without a body like that is not *ready* for the beach.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Antifrank, not familiar with the advert, but some people will bitch about anything. Being offended is very fashionable.
It's human nature. What's changed is the access to cash (or credit) to buy things, and a much cheaper (relatively) and wider range of consumer goods.0 -
CRAP Cameron remains as Premierpeter_from_putney said:
Con + LibDem = 335 seats, plus ça change ...... simples.JackW said:BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS ****
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 21 seats short of a majority
Turnout Projection .. 67.5% (NC)
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)0 -
King Cole, it's still, according to Wikipedia, in the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire.0
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@bbclaurak: Standby....Both main parties will try to use to advantage- Cons, we re not done yet, Lab, Tory 'recovery' isn't real for many0
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No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
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OldKingCole said:
Charlton Athletic? On the old boundaries?Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Don’t think Surrey has either, although is Crystal Palace’s ground in what was once Surrey?
I think Charlton has always been in the Royal London Borough of Greenwich OKC, but I could well be wrong!0 -
RE: Renting post WW2
In the village where I was brought up (post WW2), less than 10% of people owned their houses - most were rented from two dynastic private landlords who charged modest rents.
Also had an aunt who with her sister had inherited streets of houses (In Bristol) from their father and employed a rent collector. However in the 1950s, they sold of all their property as the cost of repairs and maintenance was greater than the receipts from the controlled rents.0 -
Labour to pledge immigration action
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32490861
I have summarised it, so you don't have to read it...We will do something or other in the first 100 days of a Labour government.
What increase immigration even further?0 -
The spread bet that OGH has does now not look as though it will move his way into May 7th therefore he either cuts for a significant loss or runs it to maturity..i know what id do.0
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CRISIS - Cameron Remains In Situ InShallabigjohnowls said:
CRAP Cameron remains as Premierpeter_from_putney said:
Con + LibDem = 335 seats, plus ça change ...... simples.JackW said:BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS ****
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 21 seats short of a majority
Turnout Projection .. 67.5% (NC)
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)0 -
Sometimes I think we've really gone down the rabbit hole in discussions. Obesity and fat is a bigger problem than a model's image.0
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ARSE produces CRAP shocker0
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Mr. Woolie, due to the interweb filtering out cunning subtlety [and me being a bit sleepy] I'm not sure if you're joking about the patriarchy stuff or not.0
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They are separate things. The answer to obesity is not setting unrealistic body image goals for people.Philip_Thompson said:Sometimes I think we've really gone down the rabbit hole in discussions. Obesity and fat is a bigger problem than a model's image.
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Mr. Thompson, it's curious how fatness isn't attacked nearly so vigorously as excessive skinniness [indeed, 'bullying' the fat is more likely to elicit sympathy. Not that I've conducted personal research on the matter].0
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"Objectification", "figure fascism", "patriarchy".dyedwoolie said:
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales.antifrank said:
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?Roger said:
There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape.
Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
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And Ed Miliband asked "Why on earth do you have to pay dividends" - since Mr Miliband is supposedly Prime-ministerial quality, this ignorance is pretty damming.JackW said:
Chortle ....rcs1000 said:Allegedly, Victoria Ayling, asked the following question during a local debate:
"What happens when the renewable energy runs out?"
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Possibly the best focus group ever
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness.
No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0bed61e-ea82-11e4-a701-00144feab7de.html#axzz3YVT4OdTW0 -
Seems to be a big divergence between the GDP construction figures and the PMI construction figures.
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Love the train notice board!Scott_P said:
@GdnPolitics: On this fourth #EdBallsDay, has the hype become too much? http://t.co/HZH1JVimkG
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There is no objectification problem.
Get over yourselves.0 -
Latest PMI
All three broad areas of construction activity saw a loss of momentum since February. Housing remained the best performing sub-sector, followed by commercial construction. Meanwhile, civil engineering output growth eased markedly since the previous month and was the weakest performing category of activity.
However, some construction firms noted that uncertainty related to the forthcoming general election had encouraged clients to delay spending decisions.
The latest survey pointed to an element of caution among construction companies in terms of
additional job hiring, with overall employment numbers rising at the least marked pace since
December 2013.
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Ed isn't even in but the mere thought of him is killing investment and jobs.0 -
Housing crisis
Uncontrolled immigration causes a demand for housing that wouldn't exist otherwise.
The only party that would do something is UKIP, but they aren't going to win enough seats to influence, and are distinct from other parties policy wise
My suggestion for a Con or Lab govt would be to change the areas where social housing is built and where immigrants are housed to areas with the highest council tax bands
This would be a progressive system. Why do you think people in working class areas are the most het up over immigration? It isn't that they dislike immigrants any more or less than rich people do, it's that along w all the other things they have to cope with, they feel the added pressure of competition for work and change of environment that low skilled immigration brings
So I say build council estates and affordable housing in the Cotswolds , in the leafy parts of Surrey and Bucks where people are comfortable enough to endure the pain of rapid change and rich enough to move if they dislike it
The people in poor areas don't have that option, hence the anxiety, hence the tension and hence the anger.0 -
Batman IIRC is the only superhero with no special skills or powers. Its his gadgets.TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly the best focus group ever
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness.
No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0bed61e-ea82-11e4-a701-00144feab7de.html#axzz3YVT4OdTW0 -
Looked it up; it was in Kent until a Local Government re-organisation in 1855Tony_M said:OldKingCole said:
Charlton Athletic? On the old boundaries?Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Don’t think Surrey has either, although is Crystal Palace’s ground in what was once Surrey?
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It seems to come earlier each year.Gadfly said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11566593/Ed-Balls-Day-fourth-anniversary-of-that-tweet.htmldr_spyn said:Why is Ed Balls trending today?
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Tony Stark would disagree.Plato said:Batman IIRC is the only superhero with no special skills or powers. Its his gadgets.
TheScreamingEagles said:Possibly the best focus group ever
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness.
No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0bed61e-ea82-11e4-a701-00144feab7de.html#axzz3YVT4OdTW
There are others but I'm not turning PB into geek chat, unless Daemon Barber turns up0 -
Miss Plato, Batman's effectively Capitalism Man.
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?0 -
Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)0
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I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.0 -
Arm Fall Off BoyMorris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Batman's effectively Capitalism Man.
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?
(Who was briefly known as Splitter, which is how Labour people view him when he went into coalition with the Tories)
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Obviously and unarguably trueantifrank said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.0 -
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I'll say it again, when you consider what Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark did with their fortunes, Bill Gates is a real disappointment.0
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I wonder if Lab, having been stung by the SNP, would offer the libs some form of PR on the negotiating table (not that that looks likely to come up)david_kendrick1 said:O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.0 -
Has Ed Balls taken the day off to celebrate?0
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Wasn’t L S Lowry a rent collector in Salford?Financier said:RE: Renting post WW2
In the village where I was brought up (post WW2), less than 10% of people owned their houses - most were rented from two dynastic private landlords who charged modest rents.
Also had an aunt who with her sister had inherited streets of houses (In Bristol) from their father and employed a rent collector. However in the 1950s, they sold of all their property as the cost of repairs and maintenance was greater than the receipts from the controlled rents.
I had an aunt who rented a house in Banstead. She and her partner originally took it during the war at what was then a reasonable, but in the 50’s became a modest rent. Controls stayed for those who were already tenants for a long time after that and by the time they had to move, although the rent had gone up a bit, the landlord was losing money on the place, or would have been if he’d actually done any work on it.0 -
As far as you know...TheScreamingEagles said:I'll say it again, when you consider what Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark did with their fortunes, Bill Gates is a real disappointment.
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Swims like a fish... I think Patrick Duffy got that one!Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Plato, Batman's effectively Capitalism Man.
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?0 -
If there is cross party consensus to move to a form of PR then it might be useful to chose a version (PR^2?) then parallel process it alongside FPTP to show people how it would work. Then after people had got used to the idea, hold a referendum.david_kendrick1 said:O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.0 -
Ah, fair enough. So no top tier side down here then. Watch the mighty Stones though - on the up!OldKingCole said:
Looked it up; it was in Kent until a Local Government re-organisation in 1855Tony_M said:OldKingCole said:
Charlton Athletic? On the old boundaries?Tony_M said:
None down here in Kent, Southam....SouthamObserver said:For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
Don’t think Surrey has either, although is Crystal Palace’s ground in what was once Surrey?
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Bristol's part of Gloucestershire, isn’t it? Sort of, anyway. Gloucestershire CC play there.Lennon said:Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
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Mr. Eagles, that's impressively awful.0
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Stereotomy said:
As far as you know...TheScreamingEagles said:I'll say it again, when you consider what Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark did with their fortunes, Bill Gates is a real disappointment.
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The best form of PR is one thatStereotomy said:
I wonder if Lab, having been stung by the SNP, would offer the libs some form of PR on the negotiating table (not that that looks likely to come up)david_kendrick1 said:O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
1. maintains a link with the local area
2. gives a reasonably proportional outcome, preferably with a bit of a threshold.
3. gives the elector a choice of candidates across and within political parties.
So I suggest the Single Transferable Vote in multi-member (3 or 4) constituency.0 -
Use it in Local Government. We already have multi-member wards.Blue_rog said:
If there is cross party consensus to move to a form of PR then it might be useful to chose a version (PR^2?) then parallel process it alongside FPTP to show people how it would work. Then after people had got used to the idea, hold a referendum.david_kendrick1 said:O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.0 -
+1. The advert is advertising diet pills (of unknown ingredients) instead of exercise. It's a solve make believe problem quick advert of the worst kind...dyedwoolie said:
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales.antifrank said:
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?Roger said:
There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape.
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Happily, or sadly, depending on your viewpoint, I am not joking, I'm just the scream in the void on this as the western world isn't ready to face up to the fact it has a big problem with how society is set up.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, due to the interweb filtering out cunning subtlety [and me being a bit sleepy] I'm not sure if you're joking about the patriarchy stuff or not.
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Construction is booming, there figures are nonsense0
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They were really running out of ideas, weren't they!TheScreamingEagles said:
Arm Fall Off BoyMorris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Batman's effectively Capitalism Man.
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?
(Who was briefly known as Splitter, which is how Labour people view him when he went into coalition with the Tories)
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As a follower of Russell Brand's podcast, I would say Ed is in extremely dangerous territory speaking to him. I don't for one second think Brand will endorse any mainstream politician as it goes against his entire image and brand.
Whatever Ed's gang think they have agreed as a done deal with Brand, what ends up being broadcast could be entirely different depending on how he feels at the moment he produces it. He's an anarchist and is the loosest cannon imaginable and can completely change his view mid sentence sometimes.
Whatever comes out, it won't be a ringing endorsement, at best it will be 'this guys a dick but he's probably less dismal than that other pillock' at worst, Brand nay have lured him in to absolutely destroy him.
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Her Pierrot / Alice Cooper make-up is a bit odd - and a body suit under her fur one-piece?! Must be Hell going to the loo.bigjohnowls said:0
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Apparently there is a shortage of bricksTGOHF said:0 -
There was no racism problem before the civil rights movement, either. And no equal opportunities problem before anti discrimination laws. Come to that there was no slavery problem before the emancipation declaration.rcs1000 said:There is no objectification problem.
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Bristol City play at Ashton Gate which is on the southern bank of the Avon, and hence in (traditional) Somerset. Bristol Rovers play in the north of the City, and hence in (traditional) Gloucestershire, and not far from the Glocs County Cricket Ground. Somerset Cricket have occassionally played in south Bristol from time to time as well.OldKingCole said:
Bristiol's part of Gloucestershire. Sort of, anyway. Gloucestershire CC play there.Lennon said:Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
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As someone once said, there's scraping the barrel, there's puking up in a barrel and scraping that, and then there's Arm Fall Off BoyCharles said:
They were really running out of ideas, weren't they!TheScreamingEagles said:
Arm Fall Off BoyMorris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Batman's effectively Capitalism Man.
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?
(Who was briefly known as Splitter, which is how Labour people view him when he went into coalition with the Tories)
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Noted. Thanks.Lennon said:
Bristol City play at Ashton Gate which is on the southern bank of the Avon, and hence in (traditional) Somerset. Bristol Rovers play in the north of the City, and hence in (traditional) Gloucestershire, and not far from the Glocs County Cricket Ground. Somerset Cricket have occassionally played in south Bristol from time to time as well.OldKingCole said:
Bristiol's part of Gloucestershire. Sort of, anyway. Gloucestershire CC play there.Lennon said:Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
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If anyone can get in w SKYBET please let me know... Max bet with them that I need to be on0 -
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.antifrank said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.0 -
Don't forget Varoomshka in the Guardian.bigjohnowls said:0 -
Bristol is/was a City and County in its own right but am not sure whether the Avon splits the counties of Somerset and Glos.OldKingCole said:
Bristol's part of Gloucestershire, isn’t it? Sort of, anyway. Gloucestershire CC play there.Lennon said:Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
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Crack your own gags about UKIP share of the vote set to collapse
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http://ukcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Varoomshkalogical_song said:
Don't forget Varoomshka in the Guardian.bigjohnowls said:0 -
Jesus - what have we become ? Move on..dyedwoolie said:
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.antifrank said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
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Or, alternatively, a worldview you profoundly disagree with.Casino_Royale said:
"Objectification", "figure fascism", "patriarchy".dyedwoolie said:
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales.antifrank said:
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?Roger said:
There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape.
Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
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Nottingham Forest is in Nottinghamshire (just), Notts County is in Nottingham City, although the name suggests otherwise.Lennon said:Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
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IFS update doesn't look pleasant reading for Ed Balls at first glance. 10p tax - waste of time. 50 p tax - raises £100m0
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What particularly irks me is the phrase "beach body ready". It implies that if you don't look like the model in the ad that it's socially unacceptable for you to go to the beach and enjoy the sun.antifrank said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
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Yes, try buying some, in a substantial quantity of over a thousand. Long lead to delivery last time I tried at the end of last year, and gave up.Financier said:
Apparently there is a shortage of bricksTGOHF said:
So many brick works and cement plants in the South East, have been 'mothballed' i.e. scrapped.
Anyone suggesting we can build 100,000's of houses is talking utter crap.0 -
Bananaman?TheScreamingEagles said:
Arm Fall Off BoyMorris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Batman's effectively Capitalism Man.
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?
(Who was briefly known as Splitter, which is how Labour people view him when he went into coalition with the Tories)
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Yes, that's probably a good idea. It's not an argument I'm going to, or expect to win, and no doubt it will descend fairly shortly into abuse.TGOHF said:
Jesus - what have we become ? Move on..dyedwoolie said:
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.antifrank said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.0 -
After all the hullabaloo yesterday, the SPIN spread resolutely remains stuck at 285 - 271.0
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£100m.....converted into kitchen table economics....I found a way to earn an extra penny a year.rottenborough said:IFS update doesn't look pleasant reading for Ed Balls at first glance. 10p tax - waste of time. 50 p tax - raises £100m
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I certainly disagree with that worldview. God knows what sort of warped, inhuman and paranoid society we'd end up with if you had your way.dyedwoolie said:
Or, alternatively, a worldview you profoundly disagree with.Casino_Royale said:
"Objectification", "figure fascism", "patriarchy".dyedwoolie said:
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales.antifrank said:
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?Roger said:
There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape.
Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
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If people don't like it they won't buy itTGOHF said:
Jesus - what have we become ? Move on..dyedwoolie said:
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.antifrank said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.dyedwoolie said:
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
More crazy poor me society at work
Glad the company have come out fighting
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