Mr. Antifrank, not familiar with the advert, but some people will bitch about anything. Being offended is very fashionable.
I'm not offended, but I don't like the message that advert sends out one little bit. I think its important we make some cultural noise when advertisers photoshop womens bodies, give them impossibly small waists and improbably large breasts and tell our daughters that anyone without a body like that is not *ready* for the beach.
When your completely normally proportioned daughter is crying because she's *fat* - well actually she's kinda right. Through adverts like this, we create a distorted world in which she actually *is* fat.
Was invited to a coming-of-age celebration (a lady had turned 40, so perhaps it was a commiseration) at a local hostelry last might.
Among the ~60 people, there was a wide range of political loyalties and quite a lively discussion. Those in favour of wish-lists collapsed under the avalanche of "how will you do it/pay for it" questions, but the consensus of the vast majority was 'don't rock the boat' and 'steady as she goes'. Even non-supporters and critics thought the coalition had done a reasonable and fair job under the circumstances of a peacetime coalition and unforseen events.
40th birthday party and you all sit around talking about political strategy?
You'll miss all that when you ship out won't you...
Mr. Pong, I think there's something in that, but it's worth recalling half of all people are women, and women make around 80% of all purchases. If women choose to buy into such things then such things will continue to be used in marketing. Of course, if consumers use their power in boycotts or buying alternatives, things will change.
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
None down here in Kent, Southam....
Charlton Athletic? On "proper boundaries"?
Also Essex, North Riding of Yorkshire, Westmoreland. Not Lincolnshire though, thanks to Grimsby Town.
Mr. Antifrank, not familiar with the advert, but some people will bitch about anything. Being offended is very fashionable.
I'm not offended, but I don't like the message that advert sends out one little bit. I think its important we make some cultural noise when advertisers photoshop womens bodies, give them impossibly small waists and improbably large breasts and tell our daughters that anyone without a body like that is not *ready* for the beach.
One time people would have been secure enough in their personal identity, and grounded enough in their life to ignore all this sort of crap and treat it like the fluff it is. Over the last few decades we have conspired to raise insecure children who feel a constant need for instant gratification and then act all surprised when they have a poor reaction to this sort of advertisement.
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
I see the ARSE is slowly converging on my competition predictions. Just shift a few of the yellow peril over to the yellower peril and you'll nearly be there, Jack.
You presume too much Madam.
My ARSE will not be trifled with or take cognisance of such flirtations as "competition predictions". Such frivolity has no place in the serious business of my mighty organ.
O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 21 seats short of a majority
Turnout Projection .. 67.5% (NC)
Con + LibDem = 335 seats, plus ça change ...... simples.
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
None down here in Kent, Southam....
Charlton Athletic? On "proper boundaries"?
Also Essex, North Riding of Yorkshire, Westmoreland. Not Lincolnshire though, thanks to Grimsby Town.
West Ham is within Essex’ traditional boundaries. As you can gather by visiting many Essex pubs when football is under discussion. And wasn’t Middlesborough once in N Yorks?
Mr. Antifrank, not familiar with the advert, but some people will bitch about anything. Being offended is very fashionable.
I'm not offended, but I don't like the message that advert sends out one little bit. I think its important we make some cultural noise when advertisers photoshop womens bodies, give them impossibly small waists and improbably large breasts and tell our daughters that anyone without a body like that is not *ready* for the beach.
One time people would have been secure enough in their personal identity, and grounded enough in their life to ignore all this sort of crap and treat it like the fluff it is. Over the last few decades we have conspired to raise insecure children who feel a constant need for instant gratification and then act all surprised when they have a poor reaction to this sort of advertisement.
Ahem. We've always been like this: just look at fashion trends over the ages. If you don't dress like us, you're not one of us. Want to lead an exciting life? Smoke Marlboro.
It's human nature. What's changed is the access to cash (or credit) to buy things, and a much cheaper (relatively) and wider range of consumer goods.
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 21 seats short of a majority
Turnout Projection .. 67.5% (NC)
Con + LibDem = 335 seats, plus ça change ...... simples.
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
None down here in Kent, Southam....
Charlton Athletic? On the old boundaries?
Don’t think Surrey has either, although is Crystal Palace’s ground in what was once Surrey?
I think Charlton has always been in the Royal London Borough of Greenwich OKC, but I could well be wrong!
In the village where I was brought up (post WW2), less than 10% of people owned their houses - most were rented from two dynastic private landlords who charged modest rents.
Also had an aunt who with her sister had inherited streets of houses (In Bristol) from their father and employed a rent collector. However in the 1950s, they sold of all their property as the cost of repairs and maintenance was greater than the receipts from the controlled rents.
The spread bet that OGH has does now not look as though it will move his way into May 7th therefore he either cuts for a significant loss or runs it to maturity..i know what id do.
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Changes From 25th April Projection) :
Con 305 (+1) .. Lab 246 (-3) .. LibDem 30 (NC) .. SNP 42 (+2) .. PC 3 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 3 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 21 seats short of a majority
Turnout Projection .. 67.5% (NC)
Con + LibDem = 335 seats, plus ça change ...... simples.
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)
Mr. Woolie, due to the interweb filtering out cunning subtlety [and me being a bit sleepy] I'm not sure if you're joking about the patriarchy stuff or not.
Mr. Thompson, it's curious how fatness isn't attacked nearly so vigorously as excessive skinniness [indeed, 'bullying' the fat is more likely to elicit sympathy. Not that I've conducted personal research on the matter].
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales. There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape. Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
Allegedly, Victoria Ayling, asked the following question during a local debate:
"What happens when the renewable energy runs out?"
Chortle ....
And Ed Miliband asked "Why on earth do you have to pay dividends" - since Mr Miliband is supposedly Prime-ministerial quality, this ignorance is pretty damming.
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness. No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
All three broad areas of construction activity saw a loss of momentum since February. Housing remained the best performing sub-sector, followed by commercial construction. Meanwhile, civil engineering output growth eased markedly since the previous month and was the weakest performing category of activity.
However, some construction firms noted that uncertainty related to the forthcoming general election had encouraged clients to delay spending decisions.
The latest survey pointed to an element of caution among construction companies in terms of additional job hiring, with overall employment numbers rising at the least marked pace since December 2013.
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Ed isn't even in but the mere thought of him is killing investment and jobs.
Uncontrolled immigration causes a demand for housing that wouldn't exist otherwise.
The only party that would do something is UKIP, but they aren't going to win enough seats to influence, and are distinct from other parties policy wise
My suggestion for a Con or Lab govt would be to change the areas where social housing is built and where immigrants are housed to areas with the highest council tax bands
This would be a progressive system. Why do you think people in working class areas are the most het up over immigration? It isn't that they dislike immigrants any more or less than rich people do, it's that along w all the other things they have to cope with, they feel the added pressure of competition for work and change of environment that low skilled immigration brings
So I say build council estates and affordable housing in the Cotswolds , in the leafy parts of Surrey and Bucks where people are comfortable enough to endure the pain of rapid change and rich enough to move if they dislike it
The people in poor areas don't have that option, hence the anxiety, hence the tension and hence the anger.
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness. No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
None down here in Kent, Southam....
Charlton Athletic? On the old boundaries?
Don’t think Surrey has either, although is Crystal Palace’s ground in what was once Surrey?
I think Charlton has always been in the Royal London Borough of Greenwich OKC, but I could well be wrong!
Looked it up; it was in Kent until a Local Government re-organisation in 1855
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness. No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
I wonder if Lab, having been stung by the SNP, would offer the libs some form of PR on the negotiating table (not that that looks likely to come up)
In the village where I was brought up (post WW2), less than 10% of people owned their houses - most were rented from two dynastic private landlords who charged modest rents.
Also had an aunt who with her sister had inherited streets of houses (In Bristol) from their father and employed a rent collector. However in the 1950s, they sold of all their property as the cost of repairs and maintenance was greater than the receipts from the controlled rents.
Wasn’t L S Lowry a rent collector in Salford?
I had an aunt who rented a house in Banstead. She and her partner originally took it during the war at what was then a reasonable, but in the 50’s became a modest rent. Controls stayed for those who were already tenants for a long time after that and by the time they had to move, although the rent had gone up a bit, the landlord was losing money on the place, or would have been if he’d actually done any work on it.
O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
If there is cross party consensus to move to a form of PR then it might be useful to chose a version (PR^2?) then parallel process it alongside FPTP to show people how it would work. Then after people had got used to the idea, hold a referendum.
For the first time ever Dorset will have a top flight football team next year. How many of the proper counties on their proper boundaries have not had one? Cornwall, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Cheshire, Huntingdonshire, Cambridgeshire and Somerset spring to mind (Devon if Plymouth have never made it). There must be a few others. Would Sunderland once have been in County Durham?
None down here in Kent, Southam....
Charlton Athletic? On the old boundaries?
Don’t think Surrey has either, although is Crystal Palace’s ground in what was once Surrey?
I think Charlton has always been in the Royal London Borough of Greenwich OKC, but I could well be wrong!
Looked it up; it was in Kent until a Local Government re-organisation in 1855
Ah, fair enough. So no top tier side down here then. Watch the mighty Stones though - on the up!
O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
I wonder if Lab, having been stung by the SNP, would offer the libs some form of PR on the negotiating table (not that that looks likely to come up)
The best form of PR is one that 1. maintains a link with the local area 2. gives a reasonably proportional outcome, preferably with a bit of a threshold. 3. gives the elector a choice of candidates across and within political parties.
So I suggest the Single Transferable Vote in multi-member (3 or 4) constituency.
O/T. As Guido would say, I read mumsnet so you don't have to. The big election issue there is tactical voting. You learn nothing about the prevalence of tactical voting from nerds on PB. But if even mumsnetteres...
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
If there is cross party consensus to move to a form of PR then it might be useful to chose a version (PR^2?) then parallel process it alongside FPTP to show people how it would work. Then after people had got used to the idea, hold a referendum.
Use it in Local Government. We already have multi-member wards.
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales. There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape. Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
+1. The advert is advertising diet pills (of unknown ingredients) instead of exercise. It's a solve make believe problem quick advert of the worst kind...
Mr. Woolie, due to the interweb filtering out cunning subtlety [and me being a bit sleepy] I'm not sure if you're joking about the patriarchy stuff or not.
Happily, or sadly, depending on your viewpoint, I am not joking, I'm just the scream in the void on this as the western world isn't ready to face up to the fact it has a big problem with how society is set up.
As a follower of Russell Brand's podcast, I would say Ed is in extremely dangerous territory speaking to him. I don't for one second think Brand will endorse any mainstream politician as it goes against his entire image and brand.
Whatever Ed's gang think they have agreed as a done deal with Brand, what ends up being broadcast could be entirely different depending on how he feels at the moment he produces it. He's an anarchist and is the loosest cannon imaginable and can completely change his view mid sentence sometimes.
Whatever comes out, it won't be a ringing endorsement, at best it will be 'this guys a dick but he's probably less dismal than that other pillock' at worst, Brand nay have lured him in to absolutely destroy him.
He's a funny, clever and charismatic guy but also wild, controversial and completely uncontrollable
There was no racism problem before the civil rights movement, either. And no equal opportunities problem before anti discrimination laws. Come to that there was no slavery problem before the emancipation declaration.
Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
Bristiol's part of Gloucestershire. Sort of, anyway. Gloucestershire CC play there.
Bristol City play at Ashton Gate which is on the southern bank of the Avon, and hence in (traditional) Somerset. Bristol Rovers play in the north of the City, and hence in (traditional) Gloucestershire, and not far from the Glocs County Cricket Ground. Somerset Cricket have occassionally played in south Bristol from time to time as well.
Top Tier Football Grounds in traditional Counties: Somerset has had one. (Bristol City were top flight late 70's)
Bristiol's part of Gloucestershire. Sort of, anyway. Gloucestershire CC play there.
Bristol City play at Ashton Gate which is on the southern bank of the Avon, and hence in (traditional) Somerset. Bristol Rovers play in the north of the City, and hence in (traditional) Gloucestershire, and not far from the Glocs County Cricket Ground. Somerset Cricket have occassionally played in south Bristol from time to time as well.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales. There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape. Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
What particularly irks me is the phrase "beach body ready". It implies that if you don't look like the model in the ad that it's socially unacceptable for you to go to the beach and enjoy the sun.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.
Jesus - what have we become ? Move on..
Yes, that's probably a good idea. It's not an argument I'm going to, or expect to win, and no doubt it will descend fairly shortly into abuse.
Bizarre. That's one of the rare occasions when using a scantily clad woman in an advert is entirely justifiable. Have we really reached the point when encouraging people to buy a product to be fitter is offensive?
Disagree with you here. It's got nothing to do with encouraging fitness and everything to do with objectification and figure fascism. The company know this and are using the image specifically to provoke, and thereby garner publicity and sales. There is no reason or need to look like that, or look like the male version of the poster to go to the beach. You're beach ready when you put your trunks or bikini on, regardless of your shape. Still, long live the patriarchy and everything.
Mr. Woolie, don't recall anyone complaining about the objectification of that Poldark chap.
No, indeed, and male objectification is becoming an increasing problem. It's an underhand way to try and legitimatise female objectification IMO. However, in a patriarchy and fundamentally racist world, the plight of the white male is secondary, as they are the dominant ones, and the ones with the privilege. That's the unwritten understanding we all exist under.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a company selling a fitness product to advertise that product using someone who is very fit. Whether the product is actually any good is a different matter.
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
I see your point, but the problem is not the model herself, it's the association of fitness with being 'beach ready' - as if anyone who isn't an anorexic circuit trainer is unfit to be seen at the seaside.
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When your completely normally proportioned daughter is crying because she's *fat* - well actually she's kinda right. Through adverts like this, we create a distorted world in which she actually *is* fat.
All for profit.
You'll miss all that when you ship out won't you...
Docklands and Paddington Basin are full of residential high rises and they are hugely sought after.
You don't piss in the lifts when your service charges are paying for the lifts.
Also Essex, North Riding of Yorkshire, Westmoreland. Not Lincolnshire though, thanks to Grimsby Town.
My ARSE will not be trifled with or take cognisance of such flirtations as "competition predictions". Such frivolity has no place in the serious business of my mighty organ.
I always used to be in favour of FPTP. But with so many people not voting for their first choice, this must be an idea that has run its course.
Supporters of PR must now agree on the best method. I don't think we'd have to wait 'another generation' because AV was lost, if there were a process that was deemed 'clearly best'.
CRIDSH! (Cameron remains in Downing Street, hurrah!)
And wasn’t Middlesborough once in N Yorks?
It's human nature. What's changed is the access to cash (or credit) to buy things, and a much cheaper (relatively) and wider range of consumer goods.
I think Charlton has always been in the Royal London Borough of Greenwich OKC, but I could well be wrong!
In the village where I was brought up (post WW2), less than 10% of people owned their houses - most were rented from two dynastic private landlords who charged modest rents.
Also had an aunt who with her sister had inherited streets of houses (In Bristol) from their father and employed a rent collector. However in the 1950s, they sold of all their property as the cost of repairs and maintenance was greater than the receipts from the controlled rents.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32490861
I have summarised it, so you don't have to read it...We will do something or other in the first 100 days of a Labour government.
What increase immigration even further?
What a lot of nonsense.
Asked to depict the leaders as superheroes, two had Mr Cameron as Superman and one as Captain Economy, based on Captain America, with a shield protecting people from unemployment and economic chaos.
For Mr Miliband, two chose Batman. “A lot of what he portrays isn’t visible, there’s a darkness.
No one really knows [him],” said Ms Wright.
When the group was asked to picture the leaders on a night out, they burst out laughing. Mr Miliband would be “playing with Lego”, said Mr Kenny, a Conservative, while others said he would be at home alone looking after the children.
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister, fared better, with a trip to jazz club with his friends.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0bed61e-ea82-11e4-a701-00144feab7de.html#axzz3YVT4OdTW
Get over yourselves.
All three broad areas of construction activity saw a loss of momentum since February. Housing remained the best performing sub-sector, followed by commercial construction. Meanwhile, civil engineering output growth eased markedly since the previous month and was the weakest performing category of activity.
However, some construction firms noted that uncertainty related to the forthcoming general election had encouraged clients to delay spending decisions.
The latest survey pointed to an element of caution among construction companies in terms of
additional job hiring, with overall employment numbers rising at the least marked pace since
December 2013.
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Ed isn't even in but the mere thought of him is killing investment and jobs.
Uncontrolled immigration causes a demand for housing that wouldn't exist otherwise.
The only party that would do something is UKIP, but they aren't going to win enough seats to influence, and are distinct from other parties policy wise
My suggestion for a Con or Lab govt would be to change the areas where social housing is built and where immigrants are housed to areas with the highest council tax bands
This would be a progressive system. Why do you think people in working class areas are the most het up over immigration? It isn't that they dislike immigrants any more or less than rich people do, it's that along w all the other things they have to cope with, they feel the added pressure of competition for work and change of environment that low skilled immigration brings
So I say build council estates and affordable housing in the Cotswolds , in the leafy parts of Surrey and Bucks where people are comfortable enough to endure the pain of rapid change and rich enough to move if they dislike it
The people in poor areas don't have that option, hence the anxiety, hence the tension and hence the anger.
GDP is backward looking.
There are others but I'm not turning PB into geek chat, unless Daemon Barber turns up
Miliband isn't Batman. But then, Cameron isn't Superman.
I wonder who Clegg is. Aquaman?
I get more annoyed by attempts to sell ice cream, chocolate and cars using skimpily dressed models.
(Who was briefly known as Splitter, which is how Labour people view him when he went into coalition with the Tories)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm-Fall-Off-Boy
I had an aunt who rented a house in Banstead. She and her partner originally took it during the war at what was then a reasonable, but in the 50’s became a modest rent. Controls stayed for those who were already tenants for a long time after that and by the time they had to move, although the rent had gone up a bit, the landlord was losing money on the place, or would have been if he’d actually done any work on it.
1. maintains a link with the local area
2. gives a reasonably proportional outcome, preferably with a bit of a threshold.
3. gives the elector a choice of candidates across and within political parties.
So I suggest the Single Transferable Vote in multi-member (3 or 4) constituency.
Cough
Whatever Ed's gang think they have agreed as a done deal with Brand, what ends up being broadcast could be entirely different depending on how he feels at the moment he produces it. He's an anarchist and is the loosest cannon imaginable and can completely change his view mid sentence sometimes.
Whatever comes out, it won't be a ringing endorsement, at best it will be 'this guys a dick but he's probably less dismal than that other pillock' at worst, Brand nay have lured him in to absolutely destroy him.
He's a funny, clever and charismatic guy but also wild, controversial and completely uncontrollable
If anyone can get in w SKYBET please let me know... Max bet with them that I need to be on
https://twitter.com/robindbrant/status/592978849882886144
EIC
So many brick works and cement plants in the South East, have been 'mothballed' i.e. scrapped.
Anyone suggesting we can build 100,000's of houses is talking utter crap.
More crazy poor me society at work
Glad the company have come out fighting