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Try "overspending by inept Westminster teet-suckers Brown and Darling followed by bailing out the City of London which it would have had to do had Scotland been Independent because you bail out where the activity is not the headquarters".Garethofthevale said:
You've got a cheek! Where do you think that "London" debt came from? Overspending by Scottish chancellors Brown and Darling followed by bailing out Scottish banks Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax Bank of Scotland.Dair said:
Here's what I would cut if I were John Swinney.SouthamObserver said:Now we know the SNP is in favour of Full Fiscal Autonomy from next year will they say where the cuts will be made?
Payment to Westminster for London debt - £5bn
Overpayment to Westminster for Defence - cut £1.5bn (40%)
Payment to Westminster for "UK Spending" - cut £2bn (85%)
Scottish surplus with OIl Minimum £1.5bn
Nice. Extra money for public spending or freedon to slash taxes.
As for UK spending, a lot of that goes on welfare payments. I must have missed Scotland's full employment rate!0 -
Newsnight vox pop found only one person even knew what a "non-dom" was -- though there was widespread support for "taxing the rich a lot more" generally.0
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Unionism and humour go together like a horse and Tesco's lasagne.Scott_P said:@ScottyNational: News: Millions take to the streets to protest against evil BBC as they allow opposition parties to talk during FM chat with adoring audience
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Game Changer?TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"0 -
And that was just in the Newsnight offices.Danny565 said:Newsnight vox pop found only one person even knew what a "non-dom" was -- though there was widespread support for "taxing the rich a lot more" generally.
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Garethofthevale
"You've got a cheek! Where do you think that "London" debt came from? Overspending by Scottish chancellors Brown and Darling followed by bailing out Scottish banks Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax Bank of Scotland"
Sorry, I am not interested in the ethnicity of Brown & Darling-they remain unionists and Brit Nats.
Mr Goodwin of RBS was knighted by unionists and was an adviser to the self-described North Briton Brown.
HALIFAX (it's in England) took over the Bank of Scotland and supplied its senior management who were in charge when it fell into difficulties0 -
Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.
Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.0 -
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
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Driving from Gloucestershire to St Davids, Pembrokeshire and back over the last 4 days. Weather, bodyboarding, accom and restraurants all lovely......4 hours each way the only signs of an election were sporadic tory signs in fields on the main routes, and two homes with Vote Green posters. nothing else, anywhere, no Labour, no PC, no UKIP, nothing. Might as well not be happening.0
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That's all very well, but the Scottish Parliament lacks the power to hold a second referendum and will not be given it any time soon.Dair said:With 48% of Scotland wanting the Second Referendum within five years, public opinion is already there. It will be in the 2016 Manifesto. They can safely scoop up 50% of the vote with that commitment in place.
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Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
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How did the canvassing go in Pudsey,alot of good responses on the door step I hope.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead0 -
Alternatively, "Ed Miliband had the courage to take on his own brother in order to make the right decisions for the Labour party. Now he has the courage to take on anyone as PM in order to make the right decisions for this country".TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
I've not been encouraged to vote Labour, and I would like Cameron to turn things around, but I'm not sure this 'took on his brother' thing is really the fruitful ground some think it is re Ed M.
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You have to take into account the "avoidance of double taxation" treaties whereby a person with overseas income who pays tax overseas is not taxed again in his place of residence. The UK has over 100 treaties of this kind with other countries. So to insist that a person pays tax here on his worldwide income may not be a realistic goal.welshowl said:
I too can see the merits of tightening the rules ( slowly ) but in a world that is more mobile and interconnected than ever both from a personal and capital perspective (especially for the mega rich) you've got to tread with caution ( even if holding one's nose so to speak).Cyclefree said:
We're supposed to be grateful, are we, that people living here paid some tax! FFS - let's grow a pair as a country. By all means, be open for business and investment but there is no earthly reason why we have to cow-tow to the demands of a few rich people.weejonnie said:
The non doms still pay UK taxes on UK revenue - £8.3 billion last tax year. Not bad for non-payers of taxes.Cyclefree said:
Tightening the rules on non-doms is not necessarily a left-wing policy. If you choose to live in a country you should jolly well contribute by paying taxes on the same basis as everyone else. I pay taxes at pretty high marginal rates - and both my parents were immigrants - and I am fed up with others inheriting a tax domicile that allows them to live in the same country with the same advantages but pay tax on a lesser and more favourable basis, as if paying tax were some optional hobby.SMukesh said:About non-doms,I think Labour could have done better on a bomb-shell of a policy.
And the Tories have done as well as they could with a popular left-wing policy.
The devil is in the detail, of course, which is where Labour tend to fall over their own shoelaces. But there is something very unappealing about very rich people complaining about being asked to comtribute and saying they'll leave if they don't get things their own way.
Blackmail is still blackmail, whether it's done by some union leader threatening strikes or some wealthy foreigner threatening to leave.
Our economy - even in London - has to amount to more than just servicing the needs of the spoilt rich.
Why not get some facts before ranting?
If I - a non-Labour supporter - can see the merits in tightening the rules so that people do not take advantage unfairly those who are reacting as if Labour had proposed the slaughter of the first born are, I would suggest, a tad out of touch with how this will play with people who feel that governments (from New Labour on) have been rather too concerned with what a few rich people think rather than the rather larger number of the rest of us.
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Am I the only one imagining the finger of Anna Soubry in this pic?
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Exactly the same arguments the Nats made about any argument the Unionists made. It is okay to point out something will have bad consequences. Labour does it all the time with the Tories and the NHS.BenM said:Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.
Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.0 -
You should fear. The Good Lord Crosy of Swingback has predicted a polling tsunami of epic proportions to smash Labour to peices, Labour...SELL,SELL,SELL.BenM said:Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.
Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.0 -
That's not what rising star Ruthie said tonight.Life_ina_market_town said:
That's all very well, but the Scottish Parliament lacks the power to hold a second referendum and will not be given it any time soon.Dair said:With 48% of Scotland wanting the Second Referendum within five years, public opinion is already there. It will be in the 2016 Manifesto. They can safely scoop up 50% of the vote with that commitment in place.
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It will be if Ed says he agrees with Nicola on this ;-)compouter2 said:
Game Changer?TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
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Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
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I don't see that concerning them. They can hold a vote that is not in any way legal and if the result is as they like then in some way, in some fashion, legal reality will follow at some point, I am sure. How could it not? Just a question of how much kicking and screaming it will take to get there.Life_ina_market_town said:
That's all very well, but the Scottish Parliament lacks the power to hold a second referendum and will not be given it any time soon.Dair said:With 48% of Scotland wanting the Second Referendum within five years, public opinion is already there. It will be in the 2016 Manifesto. They can safely scoop up 50% of the vote with that commitment in place.
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Dair No way Sturgeon will give a clear manifesto commitment to hold another referendum unless an EU exit, that is clear from all her statements and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise0
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Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
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Trident is one thing where Ed really does need to stand firm. That really is one thing where the low/middle-income voters they need are generally have the "conservative" view (whereas austerity and being "pro-business" generally are not). No return to that 1980s CND/Guardianist nonsense, please.0
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You do realise they radically changed methodology last night? It's not just basil that can move a goalpost.compouter2 said:
Labour still ahead in the Yougov polls. The Swingback Tsunami is running out of Tic Tocs!Tykejohnno said:
Didn't you post something earlier about a poll tonight ?compouter2 said:Labour 1% in front. Lord Crosby of Swingback should be defrocked.
Tic Toc Tic Toc!0 -
Dair said:
Here's what I would cut if I were John Swinney.SouthamObserver said:Now we know the SNP is in favour of Full Fiscal Autonomy from next year will they say where the cuts will be made?
Payment to Westminster for London debt - £5bn
Overpayment to Westminster for Defence - cut £1.5bn (40%)
Payment to Westminster for "UK Spending" - cut £2bn (85%)
Scottish surplus with OIl Minimum £1.5bn
Nice. Extra money for public spending or freedon to slash taxes.
Back-of-fag-packet economics as per Nats and Labour.
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As big a game changer as The Mansion Tax Riots?Tykejohnno said:
It will be if Ed says he agrees with Nicola on this ;-)compouter2 said:
Game Changer?TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"0 -
I think it is going to be close, But I was encouraged by the responses.Tykejohnno said:
How did the canvassing go in Pudsey,alot of good responses on the door step I hope.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
I think the UKIP squeeze Lord A has found is genuine, which helps the Tories.0 -
Tonights YG = EICIPMRobD said:
Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
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I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, including causing an international incident that required Mandy to dig him / the UK out of a huge hole, didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.Cyclefree said:
Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.0 -
Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."
Here here.0 -
Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins
Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"
That's ended that line of attack.0 -
Ed won by cheating, actually. Or rather letting GMB and Unite cheat for him.Cyclefree said:
Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
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ah I keep getting the acronym wrong.bigjohnowls said:
Tonights YG = EICIPMRobD said:
Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
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:-)Tykejohnno said:
Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins
Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"
That's ended that line of attack.0 -
I drove back from the IOW on Monday. I saw one Tory window poster in Ryde. Nothing else on the way back including a couple of marginal seats. Back low turnout, IMO.FattyBolger said:Driving from Gloucestershire to St Davids, Pembrokeshire and back over the last 4 days. Weather, bodyboarding, accom and restraurants all lovely......4 hours each way the only signs of an election were sporadic tory signs in fields on the main routes, and two homes with Vote Green posters. nothing else, anywhere, no Labour, no PC, no UKIP, nothing. Might as well not be happening.
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The best leaders are always those that a)were long enough ago that their flaws and errors have been forgotten, and their successes mythologized, and b) those that never got the chance to lead.FrancisUrquhart said:
I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, he didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.Cyclefree said:
Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.0 -
The nuclear bomb which has failed to detonate.SMukesh said:
:-)Tykejohnno said:
Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins
Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"
That's ended that line of attack.0 -
The Sun picked up Eds debate notes which specifically ruled out any dallying around with our nuclear capability.RobD said:
Exactly the same arguments the Nats made about any argument the Unionists made. It is okay to point out something will have bad consequences. Labour does it all the time with the Tories and the NHS.BenM said:Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.
Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.
Yet Tories 2 days later are desperately trying to drum up some fear on the issue?!
It's a dead rubber before it has even started. The Tory campaign is a shambles.0 -
Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status0
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Betfair's seat predictions are archived on Oddschecker, but Sporting Index's spreads are not. Does anybody know where Sporting Index's spreads are archived?
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Was he given a ring by a bloke talking about making a £100k donation and who is also a non-dom?Scott_P said:Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status
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Just like how they said abolishing non-doms would cost us money?...Tykejohnno said:
Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins
Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"
That's ended that line of attack.
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Ashcroft polls on last thread seem to point the other way. Much closer to Jacks ARSE.bigjohnowls said:
Tonights YG = EICIPMRobD said:
Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
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In Loughborough there was a swing to the Tories.0 -
TODAYS BJESUS
8.4.15 LAB 292 (292) CON 272(271) LD 30(30) UKIP 2(2) Others 54(55) (Ed is crap is PM)
Last weeks BJESUS in brackets
BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing) BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing)
Using current polling adjusted for 28 days left to go factor and using UKPR standard swingometer
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Fox Have seen quite a few Tory posters, had some leaflets from Labour and the LDs but a poster is never a judge of turnout, only the most committed have one, with the election so close, the SNP and the economic situation I would expect turnout to be about the same as 2010, if not higher0
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What the hells going on? Has Miliband u-turned in the light of Balls's misgivings, or were Labour misrepresented in the first place (in which case I blame the Guardian)? Ed needs to clarify matters or it could turn into a bit of a pickle.Scott_P said:Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status
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Great photo. I often wonder how well various leaders get on.Tykejohnno said:twitter.com/Ramsay59/status/585922346017492992
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Well we will see in 4 weeks timefoxinsoxuk said:
Ashcroft polls on last thread seem to point the other way. Much closer to Jacks ARSE.bigjohnowls said:
Tonights YG = EICIPMRobD said:
Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
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In Loughborough there was a swing to the Tories.
Either BJESUS or ARSE is wrong 8/5/15 will tell us which0 -
Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.KentRising said:Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."
Here here.
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Maybe they are not going to let anyone else become a non-dom, and let it die off slowly?Stark_Dawning said:
What the hells going on? Has Miliband u-turned in the light of Balls's misgivings, or were Labour misrepresented in the first place (in which case I blame the Guardian)? Ed needs to clarify matters or it could turn into a bit of a pickle.Scott_P said:Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status
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That might not be the worst idea, although the counter point would be that people often dislike the notion of a 'fee' - it looks like if you're rich you can buy yourself out of the rules, while those who pay it see it as punitive. The beauty of abolishing it is that it gives off a sense of fairness - that everyone is playing by the same rules to use a horrid politician's phrase. It's less about the money raised (notice how, unlike other tax policies, it hasn't been trailed as paying for anything) and more about giving a sense of fairness. Plus, even if a few did leave initially it wouldn't be permanent, as it doesn't go beyond what most other countries do. Britain would still be an incredibly attractive place for the super-rich to work and live and if you think it wouldn't be under a Labour government, it certainly won't be because of non dom status. A few years later everyone will just think 'that was a funny old rule, why was that a thing?'welshowl said:
Not everyone's going to head for Geneva en masse on the next flight from Heathrow, but some will, and it doesn't take may billionaires to start creating a shortfall. The point is we don't know where the balance lies hence my view we proceed slowly ratcheting up the non dom "fee" to test the real elasticity of demand so to speak. If you just " ban the lot pronto" a la Ed M this morning ( since seemingly rowed back on by Ed Balls) you risk a nasty revenue fall surprise, and it'll be thee and me asked to make up the difference.marktheowl said:
.taffys said:BBC's Have Your Say is unimpressed with this policy proposal. That surprised me.
Really? When you think of it, this is a de facto shift of the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the ordinary man in the street.
We ban non doms.
They leave.
We have to make up the tax shortfall.
Assuming that it will lose money is as daft as thinking it'll raise a vast sum, as how successful it is depends on so many factors as to be unknowable, like what the governments of other countries do, Britain's attractiveness as a country, other taxation policies - I think to most people it's a no-brainer really, abolish an arcane unfair rule which hopefully brings in some cash. It's the flat-footed Tory response that's given this particular policy political traction. All Osborne had to do was say that there's a review ongoing into it and a Tory government may abolish it, but will wait for the results. Sometimes it's best to concede and move on.
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Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.0
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My Uncle on the IOW had had a couple of flyers. One from the LD and one from the kipper. Both were Islanders, which counts for a lot there with the caulkheads and even the overners.HYUFD said:Fox Have seen quite a few Tory posters, had some leaflets from Labour and the LDs but a poster is never a judge of turnout, only the most committed have one, with the election so close, the SNP and the economic situation I would expect turnout to be about the same as 2010, if not higher
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So how long will it take for all the Non Doms to die off? Seventy years? I was expecting the benefits a bit sooner than that. I want my billion pounds now!RobD said:
Maybe they are not going to let anyone else become a non-dom, and let it die off slowly?Stark_Dawning said:
What the hells going on? Has Miliband u-turned in the light of Balls's misgivings, or were Labour misrepresented in the first place (in which case I blame the Guardian)? Ed needs to clarify matters or it could turn into a bit of a pickle.Scott_P said:Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status
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I've seen just one election poster so far — for Theresa May on the A404 outside Maidenhead. Didn't seem to be anything in Ealing Central & Acton yesterday despite it being a crucial marginal.0
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At the least she will commit to holding one "if the public mood wants one" thereby fudging it while allowing it to proceed. Waiting is a bad idea - which is why the Unionists are trying so desperately to force the SNP hand.HYUFD said:Dair No way Sturgeon will give a clear manifesto commitment to hold another referendum unless an EU exit, that is clear from all her statements and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise
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A wee present for all our local friendly Cybernats tonight...
@paul1kirby: Still so true. Matt's cartoon from last Election. Post debate spin #GE2015 http://t.co/FPMQ0pMjAU0 -
Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.KentRising said:Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."
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Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11
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How many SNP?AndyJS said:Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.
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SMukesh said:
Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....0 -
Plymouth or Cumbria would be better. Swift access to the deep ocean needed.KentRising said:
Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.KentRising said:Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."
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Newsnight forecast LAB seats closer to BJESUS thin ARSEbigjohnowls said:
Well we will see in 4 weeks timefoxinsoxuk said:
Ashcroft polls on last thread seem to point the other way. Much closer to Jacks ARSE.bigjohnowls said:
Tonights YG = EICIPMRobD said:
Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am, they asked me the best thing ever last weekRobD said:
Are you the YouGov Panel?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory leadRobD said:
Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.felix said:
Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tory coming back from their holidays...Scott_P said:@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
Basically its still tied.
So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
In Loughborough there was a swing to the Tories.
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Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?FattyBolger said:SMukesh said:
Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended.... 0 -
Fox Indeed, IOW is one place a local candidate has a head start0
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Kent rising
great stuff from Fallon. At last some aggression from the tories. At last some snap in the contact area.0 -
Not to mention that before that his big idea was the personal carbon credit.FrancisUrquhart said:
I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, including causing an international incident that required Mandy to dig him / the UK out of a huge hole, didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.Cyclefree said:
Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.
I reckon it's mainly a tb/gb factional thing.0 -
43. They match Election Forecastr.bigjohnowls said:
How many SNP?AndyJS said:Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.
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Dair A commitment 'If the public mood wants one' implies 55%+ for yes, nowhere near that now, which is why she will not hold one for the moment0
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42 I think.bigjohnowls said:
How many SNP?AndyJS said:Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.
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I know Rod Crosby has been using Lebo-Norpoth, but those very same academics forecast a pretty much level parliament.0
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Ben Harris-Quinney @B_HQ
Nicky Morgan just gave an awful interview about non-dom tax status http://ind.pn/1Jns9GO
Why is @NickyMorgan01 a conservative?
Bow Group @bowgroup
Nicky Morgan appears to agree that non-doms should pay tax. What? http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/nicky-morgan-appears-agree-non-doms-should-pay-tax-what …
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The current forecasts all say EICIPM but only with SNP support. Which is a bit of a problem for Labour in the final 4 weeks IMO.0
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Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)RobD said:
Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?FattyBolger said:SMukesh said:
Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....0 -
Build a purpose built facility near Harwich or Felixstowe.KentRising said:
Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.KentRising said:Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."
Here here.0 -
I have to say, it does look like there's a whiff of panic coming from the Tories.
In a way, that makes me more confident than the Labour poll leads make me.0 -
Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?
Cameron is a counter puncher. He likes his oppo to come on to him. Tories still have a big war chest and an entire manifesto to unload.0 -
I don't understand the focus on Indy Ref two - it's completely irrelevant to the Westminster Elections. Reminds me of Lib Dems/Inners complaining that the Conservatives "bang on about Europe" when they themselves are the ones bringing it up.HYUFD said:Dair A commitment 'If the public mood wants one' implies 55%+ for yes, nowhere near that now, which is why she will not hold one for the moment
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@FrancisUrquart
'I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, he didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.
Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.'
You get the same stuff about John Smith who achieved even less than than David Miliband.0 -
Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?compouter2 said:
Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)RobD said:
Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?FattyBolger said:SMukesh said:
Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....0 -
273 + 43 = 316
PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line
ARSE has that combination about 30 short
We will see in 29 days if JackW is right
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Now we're rolling. New jobs in Plymouth and Cumbria, serving the subs of the Royal English Navy.foxinsoxuk said:
Plymouth or Cumbria would be better. Swift access to the deep ocean needed.KentRising said:
Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.KentRising said:Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."
Here here.0 -
The Tory MP is incumbent since 2001, but a mainlander. Not popular but likely to hold on.HYUFD said:Fox Indeed, IOW is one place a local candidate has a head start
Welcome back Andy! I have missed your spreadsheets.0 -
I actually think that's about right as we stand but then it's 1974-9 all over again. Messy.bigjohnowls said:273 + 43 = 316
PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line
ARSE has that combination about 30 short
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Should we start a pool on which Shad Cab member denounced it on film this year?TheWatcher said:Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?
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The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.Tykejohnno said:
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Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11
Hope so.
Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????0 -
@AlanRoden: Front page of tomorrow's Scottish Daily Mail #scotpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday http://t.co/3SawyUKTDz0
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I'm not sure the word good was required.compouter2 said:
Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)RobD said:
Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?FattyBolger said:SMukesh said:
Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
Populist, last minute and ill thought out is more accurate so far.0 -
Their model is broadly good but there are a couple of exceptions.bigjohnowls said:273 + 43 = 316
PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line
ARSE has that combination about 30 short
We will see in 29 days if JackW is right
There is no way on God's Green Earth Labour should be 1-100 in Bradford West.0 -
Me neither, but it was for the Jewish Chronicle not the Sun, and Survation tweeted about itcompouter2 said:
? Don't pay to read the Scum, so wouldn't know. Just read it under the Labour lead confirmation. Notice there are quite a few of these random polls on there when I go on to view what the Labour lead is.isam said:
It was a survation poll for the Jewish Chronicle wasn't it?compouter2 said:
I do love these random Scum stats. 99% of one legged nuns with a false arm will be voting Tory. 88% of Brummies who own dwarf hamsters thinks Red Ed looks weird.Then the next tweet. Labour ahead by ....Tykejohnno said:
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Nah, PB Hodges will quote the ex-drug dealing, repeat drink driving bankruptee repeatedly saying it is a disaster,whilst the msm, through gritted Tory teeth will say "That's another day chalked up for Labour".TheWatcher said:
Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?compouter2 said:
Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)RobD said:
Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?FattyBolger said:SMukesh said:
Tories thrashing about.TheScreamingEagles said:Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"
7 year old should resit exams.
Online porn will be blocked.
We will buy 4 subs.
Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
Tic meet Toc and his friends Tic and Toc.
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yep, whiff away from me to be honest...very disappointing media management and shit policy announcements....worse, shit counterattacking of rubbish labour plans. not happy...Danny565 said:I have to say, it does look like there's a whiff of panic coming from the Tories.
In a way, that makes me more confident than the Labour poll leads make me.
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You did notice I did a couple of tweets on Nicky Morgan,I'm like fox news-fair and balanced ;-)compouter2 said:
The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.Tykejohnno said:
Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics
Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11
Hope so.
Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
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