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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    welshowl said:

    273 + 43 = 316

    PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line

    ARSE has that combination about 30 short

    We will see in 29 days if JackW is right

    I actually think that's about right as we stand but then it's 1974-9 all over again. Messy.
    That was a LibLab pact. I cannot see BJO's figures making a functioning government.

    A majority of 20 odd is needed to function.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,673

    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
    Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?
    Yes, if I were Labour I'd stay clear of the 'plays a blinder' stuff from now on and just hope to sneak in by the back door. After today's meltdown the media will be smashing holes in Labour proposals for sport. Best not to provide them with the ammunition in the first place and deny them the satisfaction.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    AndyJS said:

    I've seen just one election poster so far — for Theresa May on the A404 outside Maidenhead. Didn't seem to be anything in Ealing Central & Acton yesterday despite it being a crucial marginal.

    I've just seen the one also, in my own constituency a UKIP billboard

    A bit strange as it was majoring on getting big business to pay their fair share of tax

    A coffee cup full of cash with "megabucks" on the side.. not an obvious concern around here I would have thought
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    Actually if you look at Lord A's polls today and compare the relative gain %s for Labour to get to that 270, it is pretty good for them - Harrow East down at 22% for instance, the only one on their model that Labour should be getting is Morecambe and Lunesdale.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169
    Ishmael_X said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    Ed won by cheating, actually. Or rather letting GMB and Unite cheat for him.
    No, Ed Miliband won by crafting his political message well for his audience - the unions didn't have to back him and didn't all do, and he realised that large parts of the Labour Party weren't entirely comfortable with a leader who was in close proximity to rendition and Iraq and so under an alternative vote system which included 'affiliates' who tend to be to the left of the main party, staking out a position as a moderate non-New Labour candidate was always a promising strategy due to preferential voting, and everyone knew that the union bosses would support the person with the best chance of defeating David.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    Mixed day really - Ashcroft constituency polls good for Con (in my view, I know some disagree), YouGov good for Lab.

    Labour has dominated the news two days in a row - Tony Blair and non-doms. I do hope Con have an announcement about something (indeed anything) to get some headlines tomorrow.

    I can't see anything which would cause people to switch to Con over the last 48 hours. They need to start saying something.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.

    The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.

    Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
    You did notice I did a couple of tweets on Nicky Morgan,I'm like fox news-fair and balanced ;-)
    Drawing up my PB List for Election night, each person gets two, some extra special posters get three,so we can all have a little fist pump when those Labour gains come in.ls there ayone in particular you would like apart from Andy Sawford?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    MikeL said:

    Mixed day really - Ashcroft constituency polls good for Con (in my view, I know some disagree), YouGov good for Lab.

    Labour has dominated the news two days in a row - Tony Blair and non-doms. I do hope Con have an announcement about something (indeed anything) to get some headlines tomorrow.

    I can't see anything which would cause people to switch to Con over the last 48 hours. They need to start saying something.

    Err....Ed is Crap!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    Have been at Snooker WC qualifiers all day today.

    Same tomorrow,Friday and next Monday Tuesday Wednesday.

    72 hrs of top class sport for the princely sum of £40.

    Am then at Crucible for the first 5 days.

    No LAB activist stuff from me till 1st May for a full week in Amber Valley and Sheffield Hallam
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    welshowl said:

    273 + 43 = 316

    PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line

    ARSE has that combination about 30 short

    We will see in 29 days if JackW is right

    I actually think that's about right as we stand but then it's 1974-9 all over again. Messy.
    That was a LibLab pact. I cannot see BJO's figures making a functioning government.

    A majority of 20 odd is needed to function.
    Nigel Dodds, Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron are going to have some decisions to make after the election.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712
    Nice cartoon, Marf!

    YouGov had a methodology change this week, which may explain the lack of Blue leads!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    MikeL said:

    Mixed day really - Ashcroft constituency polls good for Con (in my view, I know some disagree), YouGov good for Lab.

    Labour has dominated the news two days in a row - Tony Blair and non-doms. I do hope Con have an announcement about something (indeed anything) to get some headlines tomorrow.

    I can't see anything which would cause people to switch to Con over the last 48 hours. They need to start saying something.

    IHT :D
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.

    The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.

    Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
    You did notice I did a couple of tweets on Nicky Morgan,I'm like fox news-fair and balanced ;-)
    Drawing up my PB List for Election night, each person gets two, some extra special posters get three,so we can all have a little fist pump when those Labour gains come in.ls there ayone in particular you would like apart from Andy Sawford?
    Bradford west ;-) seems a little spat going off with Gorgeous George and the labour candidate - lol

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Nice cartoon, Marf!

    YouGov had a methodology change this week, which may explain the lack of Blue leads!

    *** Sunil offers out straws to clutchig PB Hodges *****

    Top Man Sunil!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091



    YouGov had a methodology change this week, which may explain the lack of Blue leads!

    What was the change?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Nice cartoon, Marf!

    YouGov had a methodology change this week, which may explain the lack of Blue leads!

    Have you back checked to their old method ?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
    Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?
    Yes, if I were Labour I'd stay clear of the 'plays a blinder' stuff from now on and just hope to sneak in by the back door. After today's meltdown the media will be smashing holes in Labour proposals for sport. Best not to provide them with the ammunition in the first place and deny them the satisfaction.
    'The mother and father of all banana skins' as one well known political commentator said earlier.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.

    The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.

    Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
    You did notice I did a couple of tweets on Nicky Morgan,I'm like fox news-fair and balanced ;-)
    Drawing up my PB List for Election night, each person gets two, some extra special posters get three,so we can all have a little fist pump when those Labour gains come in.ls there ayone in particular you would like apart from Andy Sawford?
    Bradford west ;-) seems a little spat going off with Gorgeous George and the labour candidate - lol

    Naz Shah is your second Labour candidate. Two fist pumps for you election night.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,673
    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    welshowl said:

    273 + 43 = 316

    PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line

    ARSE has that combination about 30 short

    We will see in 29 days if JackW is right

    I actually think that's about right as we stand but then it's 1974-9 all over again. Messy.
    That was a LibLab pact. I cannot see BJO's figures making a functioning government.

    A majority of 20 odd is needed to function.
    BJESUS has a LAB/SNP figure of 335. (294 +41)

    Off to land of Nod with happy thoughts
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I can't see anything which would cause people to switch to Con over the last 48 hours. They need to start saying something.

    Alternatively, you could say that the tories are keeping pace whilst wasting very little energy. And they have four new nuclear subs lined up for tomorrow.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SunPolitics: Labour's vow to close a tax loophole for rich Brits is in tatters http://t.co/bRVK6Ra2b8 http://t.co/FwgZANUWJD
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Ishmael_X said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    Ed won by cheating, actually. Or rather letting GMB and Unite cheat for him.
    No, Ed Miliband won by crafting his political message well for his audience - the unions didn't have to back him and didn't all do, and he realised that large parts of the Labour Party weren't entirely comfortable with a leader who was in close proximity to rendition and Iraq and so under an alternative vote system which included 'affiliates' who tend to be to the left of the main party, staking out a position as a moderate non-New Labour candidate was always a promising strategy due to preferential voting, and everyone knew that the union bosses would support the person with the best chance of defeating David.
    I agree with you. David Miliband is a better communicator but would have had too much baggage.

    Andy Burnham was the best of the 5, but a pretty poor field to choose from.

    Though with Liz Kendall about, next contest will be more interesting.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Pulpstar Indeed

    Dair Regardless of methodology no poll is showing Yes with a big enough lead for Sturgeon to risk another referendum now and she won't
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Fox Though I believe it was LD from 1997-2001
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169

    HYUFD said:

    Fox Have seen quite a few Tory posters, had some leaflets from Labour and the LDs but a poster is never a judge of turnout, only the most committed have one, with the election so close, the SNP and the economic situation I would expect turnout to be about the same as 2010, if not higher

    My Uncle on the IOW had had a couple of flyers. One from the LD and one from the kipper. Both were Islanders, which counts for a lot there with the caulkheads and even the overners.

    (Caulkhead =born on the Island, overner = born on the mainland)

    HYUFD said:

    Fox Indeed, IOW is one place a local candidate has a head start

    The Tory MP is incumbent since 2001, but a mainlander. Not popular but likely to hold on.

    Welcome back Andy! I have missed your spreadsheets.
    Isn't that the MP on the IOW whose election agent was his partner, is still his agent but moved in with his political aide, causing his constituency party to go beserk? UKIP were in with a shout, might not be now with the purple's decline.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    taffys said:

    I can't see anything which would cause people to switch to Con over the last 48 hours. They need to start saying something.

    Alternatively, you could say that the tories are keeping pace whilst wasting very little energy. And they have four new nuclear subs lined up for tomorrow.

    Ed better work out a coherent position on Nukes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712
    Danny565 said:



    YouGov had a methodology change this week, which may explain the lack of Blue leads!

    What was the change?
    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299


    In my village in the Forest of Dean I have received 4 glossy UKIP leaflets, and only one quite non-descript Tory flyer from table dancing tory boy Mark Harper (who I will be voting for) ...nothing from lDs or Lab....Tories will waltz it in FoD but I live in a Kippery village (district councillor etc)....so perhaps UKIP are locally focussing the message...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate.

    Dave gets airtime to compensate
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:

    taffys said:

    I can't see anything which would cause people to switch to Con over the last 48 hours. They need to start saying something.

    Alternatively, you could say that the tories are keeping pace whilst wasting very little energy. And they have four new nuclear subs lined up for tomorrow.

    Ed better work out a coherent position on Nukes.
    Isn't it the same as the tory policy ?

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Isn't it the same as the tory policy ?

    What he actually needs is a coherent policy on Nicola Sturgeon
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,935

    Now we're rolling. New jobs in Plymouth and Cumbria, serving the subs of the Royal English Navy.

    Forgive the pedantry, but it remains the Royal Navy even post-ScotInd. The name refers to the Crown, not the areas under it.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate.

    Dave gets airtime to compensate
    ....ARF!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    It will be if miliband comes out the winner.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Ed better work out a coherent position on Nukes.

    Off to a good start...

    @tnewtondunn: "Lies and smears", says Labour on Fallon's Trident challenge. So commit to Navy's minimum of four bomber subs and end it then, @edballsmp?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    An Ashcroft poll in Forest of Dean would be interesting. One of UKIP's best hopes in the west of England.



    In my village in the Forest of Dean I have received 4 glossy UKIP leaflets, and only one quite non-descript Tory flyer from table dancing tory boy Mark Harper (who I will be voting for) ...nothing from lDs or Lab....Tories will waltz it in FoD but I live in a Kippery village (district councillor etc)....so perhaps UKIP are locally focussing the message...

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    HYUFD said:

    Fox Have seen quite a few Tory posters, had some leaflets from Labour and the LDs but a poster is never a judge of turnout, only the most committed have one, with the election so close, the SNP and the economic situation I would expect turnout to be about the same as 2010, if not higher

    My Uncle on the IOW had had a couple of flyers. One from the LD and one from the kipper. Both were Islanders, which counts for a lot there with the caulkheads and even the overners.

    (Caulkhead =born on the Island, overner = born on the mainland)

    HYUFD said:

    Fox Indeed, IOW is one place a local candidate has a head start

    The Tory MP is incumbent since 2001, but a mainlander. Not popular but likely to hold on.

    Welcome back Andy! I have missed your spreadsheets.
    Isn't that the MP on the IOW whose election agent was his partner, is still his agent but moved in with his political aide, causing his constituency party to go beserk? UKIP were in with a shout, might not be now with the purple's decline.

    Island politics can be a bit incestuous!

    My Uncle will be Tory, but the young cousins will be voting Green at Uni in Brighton.
    HYUFD said:

    Fox Though I believe it was LD from 1997-2001

    I believe so, but cannot see them retaking it.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    It will be if miliband comes out the winner.

    On the bright side for Dave I am sure his coalition partner NickClegg will stick up for him ;-)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    Apparently Tory HQ really believed that Ed Miliband, the ultimate political animal, would be unable to make himself even mildly presentable the British people and any appearance from him would lead to him losing votes, and so Cameron appearing more was an unnecessary risk. I admit to being surprised they would think so - sure, supporters online might think that, but the people calling the shots as well?

    Night all. Get used to the idea Ed M is going to be PM, because he is.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate.

    Dave gets airtime to compensate
    Noone pays any attention to this airtime outside the main events though. People barely will pay attention to the debates but if Ed (Or Even Nigel) wins it'll be bad. Perhaps Sturgeon can save Dave's bacon.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237



    In my village in the Forest of Dean I have received 4 glossy UKIP leaflets, and only one quite non-descript Tory flyer from table dancing tory boy Mark Harper (who I will be voting for) ...nothing from lDs or Lab....Tories will waltz it in FoD but I live in a Kippery village (district councillor etc)....so perhaps UKIP are locally focussing the message...

    Lucky you living in a marginal. So far I've had bugger all in the way of leaflets, and nor am I expecting any. And the loons still think FPTP means that we all have equal votes! the truth is that the political parties couldn't give a monkeys about what the majority of voters in the majority of seats thinks.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ed better work out a coherent position on Nukes.

    Off to a good start...

    @tnewtondunn: "Lies and smears", says Labour on Fallon's Trident challenge. So commit to Navy's minimum of four bomber subs and end it then, @edballsmp?
    Ed B is still confused about what he really said in January. Give him a chance.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    Apparently Tory HQ really believed that Ed Miliband, the ultimate political animal, would be unable to make himself even mildly presentable the British people and any appearance from him would lead to him losing votes, and so Cameron appearing more was an unnecessary risk. I admit to being surprised they would think so - sure, supporters online might think that, but the people calling the shots as well?

    Night all. Get used to the idea Ed M is going to be PM, because he is.
    Apparently...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:


    Noone pays any attention to this airtime outside the main events though. People barely will pay attention to the debates but if Ed (Or Even Nigel) wins it'll be bad. Perhaps Sturgeon can save Dave's bacon.

    The debate runs for 1.5 hours. It is immediately followed by 30 mins exclusively with the Tories and Lib Dems
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    It will be if miliband comes out the winner.

    On the bright side for Dave I am sure his coalition partner Nick Clegg will stick up for him ;-)
    He ain't there either.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Iain Dale on Sky News paper review just mentioned the Greens' 1989 Euro election PEB. It's quite good IMO:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZOQ-_NRJo
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Danny565 said:



    YouGov had a methodology change this week, which may explain the lack of Blue leads!

    What was the change?
    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    So not only is the yougov a sample of a sample of the UK population, it is now a sample of a sample of a sample of the UK population.

    Treat with extreme caution!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2015
    The tories could be on to something here,labour want 3 subs for different reasons,one for a deal with the SNP(lib dems) another to save money.

    Won't get my hopes up of a labour mistake here ;-)

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    Apparently Tory HQ really believed that Ed Miliband, the ultimate political animal, would be unable to make himself even mildly presentable the British people and any appearance from him would lead to him losing votes, and so Cameron appearing more was an unnecessary risk. I admit to being surprised they would think so - sure, supporters online might think that, but the people calling the shots as well?

    Night all. Get used to the idea Ed M is going to be PM, because he is.
    What I cannot understand in all this was there was a leak from the Tory Focus group which where showed Miliband doing his speeches around the country. It showed there were a significant number of the focus group "warmed" to Miliband more they saw of him. So, despite knowing this, the still screwed up the debates. This going around telling people Ed is Crap is gaining no traction. They might have well handed out links to this website and asked people to click on the comments section. Could have saved them millions.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    It will be if miliband comes out the winner.

    On the bright side for Dave I am sure his coalition partner Nick Clegg will stick up for him ;-)
    He ain't there either.
    ARF!
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    Apparently Tory HQ really believed that Ed Miliband, the ultimate political animal, would be unable to make himself even mildly presentable the British people and any appearance from him would lead to him losing votes, and so Cameron appearing more was an unnecessary risk. I admit to being surprised they would think so - sure, supporters online might think that, but the people calling the shots as well?

    Night all. Get used to the idea Ed M is going to be PM, because he is.
    What I cannot understand in all this was there was a leak from the Tory Focus group which where showed Miliband doing his speeches around the country. It showed there were a significant number of the focus group "warmed" to Miliband more they saw of him. So, despite knowing this, the still screwed up the debates. This going around telling people Ed is Crap is gaining no traction. They might have well handed out links to this website and asked people to click on the comments section. Could have saved them millions.
    And yet Ed Miliband fails to appear on the majority of Labour PPC leaflets, and campaign literature.

    Will any candidates be brave enough to mention him?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    edited April 2015
    Chris_A said:



    In my village in the Forest of Dean I have received 4 glossy UKIP leaflets, and only one quite non-descript Tory flyer from table dancing tory boy Mark Harper (who I will be voting for) ...nothing from lDs or Lab....Tories will waltz it in FoD but I live in a Kippery village (district councillor etc)....so perhaps UKIP are locally focussing the message...

    Lucky you living in a marginal. So far I've had bugger all in the way of leaflets, and nor am I expecting any. And the loons still think FPTP means that we all have equal votes! the truth is that the political parties couldn't give a monkeys about what the majority of voters in the majority of seats thinks.

    I'll be brutally honest - I'm quite glad I'm in a non marginal :D. Not sure I'm really going to mean it whoever I vote for.

    Couldn't imagine anything worse than having the deciding vote on the election tbh !
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    edited April 2015
    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:


    Noone pays any attention to this airtime outside the main events though. People barely will pay attention to the debates but if Ed (Or Even Nigel) wins it'll be bad. Perhaps Sturgeon can save Dave's bacon.

    The debate runs for 1.5 hours. It is immediately followed by 30 mins exclusively with the Tories and Lib Dems
    What is the format of that 30 mins?

    Will Con and LD appear together? Will it be Cameron and Clegg? Separate programme or continuation with Dimbleby?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    Apparently Tory HQ really believed that Ed Miliband, the ultimate political animal, would be unable to make himself even mildly presentable the British people and any appearance from him would lead to him losing votes, and so Cameron appearing more was an unnecessary risk. I admit to being surprised they would think so - sure, supporters online might think that, but the people calling the shots as well?

    Night all. Get used to the idea Ed M is going to be PM, because he is.
    What I cannot understand in all this was there was a leak from the Tory Focus group which where showed Miliband doing his speeches around the country. It showed there were a significant number of the focus group "warmed" to Miliband more they saw of him. So, despite knowing this, the still screwed up the debates. This going around telling people Ed is Crap is gaining no traction. They might have well handed out links to this website and asked people to click on the comments section. Could have saved them millions.
    And yet Ed Miliband fails to appear on the majority of Labour PPC leaflets, and campaign literature.

    Will any candidates be brave enough to mention him?
    It doesn't really matter does it. Even people on here are starting to wake up to the fact His Crapness will be PM.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    Apparently Tory HQ really believed that Ed Miliband, the ultimate political animal, would be unable to make himself even mildly presentable the British people and any appearance from him would lead to him losing votes, and so Cameron appearing more was an unnecessary risk. I admit to being surprised they would think so - sure, supporters online might think that, but the people calling the shots as well?

    Night all. Get used to the idea Ed M is going to be PM, because he is.
    What I cannot understand in all this was there was a leak from the Tory Focus group which where showed Miliband doing his speeches around the country. It showed there were a significant number of the focus group "warmed" to Miliband more they saw of him. So, despite knowing this, the still screwed up the debates. This going around telling people Ed is Crap is gaining no traction. They might have well handed out links to this website and asked people to click on the comments section. Could have saved them millions.
    And yet Ed Miliband fails to appear on the majority of Labour PPC leaflets, and campaign literature.

    Will any candidates be brave enough to mention him?
    It doesn't really matter does it. Even people on here are starting to wake up to the fact His Crapness will be PM.
    Some of us have even been betting on it.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,984
    HYUFD said:

    Brian Taylor on BBC Less likely than otherwise Sturgeon will make a manifesto commitment for another referendum unless a material change of circumstances eg an EU exit

    Or Scottish MPs having second-class voting rights?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Policy Disaster, Labour Campaign Meltown....etc etc. And with that, I bid you all goodnight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    TSE or TPD?

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    sarissa said:

    HYUFD said:

    Brian Taylor on BBC Less likely than otherwise Sturgeon will make a manifesto commitment for another referendum unless a material change of circumstances eg an EU exit

    Or Scottish MPs having second-class voting rights?
    Indy Ref two will NOT be in the Westminster manifesto. It will be in the 2016 Holyrood one, possibly.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529
    Its easy to spot where Labour replaced Conservative in the 1990s on the graph here:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11518985/Bank-of-England-warns-on-Britains-120bn-payments-deficit.html

    But not where Conservative replaced Labour in 2010.

    And that's because Brown and Osborne have the same economic strategy:

    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
    Borrow and spend
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    Ed is miles ahead with 18-34s if my Facebook is anything to go by.

    I'll have to ask them if they all actually voted though.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
    Do tell ;-)

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !

    Who'd have thunk it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    the msm, through gritted Tory teeth

    Bradby was tweeting support for the policy all day

    For him to say the policy was a winner is hardly news, but if it keeps you happy, go for it
    Quite right. Labour shouldn't take any satisfaction from the likes of Bradby. It's been an easy device for lazy centre-right journalists for years now: say that Ed's 'played a blinder' and make yourself look like a free thinker and a bit of a maverick.
    Meanwhile over at Tory HQ Lynton is telling everyone he is well worth the hundreds of thousands of pounds they are paying him and it is all going swell. "So when does the campaign start Lynton". "Err, what campaign?.....Did I mention Ed is crap?".
    Lynton's biggest error is somehow letting Ed on the Telly Four times and Dave blatantly skipping a debate. I don't care how that's spun - it's an error.
    I still cannot understand how Tory HQ and the PB Hodges manage to spin themselves in thinking it was a major victory for Cameron.Totally agree....total balls up again Lynton.
    The complacency of the comfort zone.
    The dangers of the dinner party focus group.
    The errors of the echo chamber.

    Its also why the Conservatives failed to win a majority in 2010.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Anywhere we can watch the latest scottish debate online?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Tim Montgomerie: If voters have a choice between an individualist right and a big-government left, the latter will prove more popular

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4405688.ece
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Pulpstar said:

    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !

    Who'd have thunk it.

    They just cant help themselves
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Anywhere we can watch the latest scottish debate online?


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05qnt32/the-leaders-debate-scotland
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Scott P

    I have finally realised that the picture you use is not of you but of Malcolm Tucker.

    But now giving us the gospel according to the Mail's Alan Roden - give me strength. Do you not follow ANY real journos - Andrew "Brillo" Neil for example. Not my cup of tea but a journalist and not a bad joke like Iain Martin or Alan Rodent.
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169
    Am rather baffled by the Tories making trident a major attack line, for a start it implicitly accepts that there's a fair likelihood of Ed M being PM. Secondly does anyone really care about trident that much? I get that it's kipper bait, but it's not exactly a frightening example of a hellish Labour government. On balance I'd renew it, as it strikes me as slightly daft to give up a huge negotiating chip, but honestly meh.

    Sturgeon making trident a red line was also bizarre - would she bring down a Lab government and let the Tories in? Could rule it out and kill two birds with one stone, say 'we don't play politics with defence' - challenges the SNP to blink and say whether they think getting rid of it is so important it justifies a Tory government, and makes Labour and Ed look a bit tougher.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: Labour's vow to close a tax loophole for rich Brits is in tatters http://t.co/bRVK6Ra2b8 http://t.co/FwgZANUWJD

    If only Labour were really interested in closing tax loopholes exploited by their luvvie supporters. In fact they are only blowing a class war politics of envy dog whistle, its merely an attack on rich people ''choosing'' to live in the UK and whose money is earned abroad. It is not a tax 'loophole' - it is a policy to attract inward investment into the UK as opposed to elsewhere.

    Ed Balls remains a hypocrite.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712
    Can it be a coincidence that within days of the first Tory lead in ELBOW, the pollsters either can't be arsed this week, or come up with Labour leads?

    (only kidding!)
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Yep. Not surprising. Rubbish policy and self defeating for the country but appeals to the ill informed. Depressing thing is lack of effective and popularly expressed Con counter-attack.

    A little pissed tonight ..... but unimpressed by Lynton. Truly hope there is a strategy to this approach and a decent announcement or two in the pipeline

    In the populist mindset we cons are getting creamed at the mo




  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Can it be a coincidence that within days of the first Tory lead in ELBOW, the pollsters either can't be arsed this week, or come up with Labour leads?

    (only kidding!)

    Give us your bent-ELBOW of the week so far!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: Labour's vow to close a tax loophole for rich Brits is in tatters http://t.co/bRVK6Ra2b8 http://t.co/FwgZANUWJD

    If only Labour were really interested in closing tax loopholes exploited by their luvvie supporters. In fact they are only blowing a class war politics of envy dog whistle, its merely an attack on rich people ''choosing'' to live in the UK and whose money is earned abroad. It is not a tax 'loophole' - it is a policy to attract inward investment into the UK as opposed to elsewhere.

    Ed Balls remains a hypocrite.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529
    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    EdM party leadership campaign was the most impressive thing he has ever managed.

    DM had at least four chances to challenge Brown for the leadership and lost his bottle each time, assuming that all he had to do was wait and he would be given the leadership.

    Cowardice and complacency are not good qualities to find in a political leader.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MikeL said:

    What is the format of that 30 mins?

    Will Con and LD appear together? Will it be Cameron and Clegg? Separate programme or continuation with Dimbleby?

    Interviews with Emily Maitlis, separate I think
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Yep. Not surprising. Rubbish policy and self defeating for the country but appeals to the ill informed. Depressing thing is lack of effective and popularly expressed Con counter-attack.
    A little pissed tonight ..... but unimpressed by Lynton. Truly hope there is a strategy to this approach and a decent announcement or two in the pipeline
    In the populist mindset we cons are getting creamed at the mo
    Labour are being blasted for their hypocrisy. If this is a successful policy announcement I'm a banana.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Anywhere we can watch the latest scottish debate online?


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05qnt32/the-leaders-debate-scotland
    Thanks
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Media is getting predictable. STV showing it isn't much better than the BBC Wonder if she is related to Jim Murphy https://twitter.com/YesAlliance59/status/585930896294944769?s=04
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Fox Not in the present climate no, night
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Radio 4: Nondoms were introduced by William Pitt the Younger in 1799.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?

    See profile pic :D
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    AndyJS said:

    Radio 4: Nondoms were introduced by William Pitt the Younger in 1799.

    Good to have you back :)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    Pulpstar said:

    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?

    See profile pic :D
    What is it with you and girls in your pic!! :D
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Do you think Thatcher would have backtracked on this,she would have sent her big hitters out defending it and get message across that labour could hit public services with they political stunt.



  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2015
    @Tykejohnno

    'Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit'

    BBC couldn't find a single person in North Warwickshire who knew what a Non Dom was.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?

    See profile pic :D
    What is it with you and girls in your pic!! :D
    :D Well I think the forum needs a pretty face at times ;)

    All recent photographs have been my own btw
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    john_zims said:

    @Tykejohnno

    'Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit'

    BBC couldn't find a single person in Warwick North who knew what a Non Dom was.

    Well that's part of labours audience,it sounds good brigade ;-)

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?

    See profile pic :D
    What is it with you and girls in your pic!! :D
    :D Well I think the forum needs a pretty face at times ;)

    All recent photographs have been my own btw
    Prepare to be banned for implying OGH doesn't have a pretty face.
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