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  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Now we know the SNP is in favour of Full Fiscal Autonomy from next year will they say where the cuts will be made?

    Here's what I would cut if I were John Swinney.

    Payment to Westminster for London debt - £5bn
    Overpayment to Westminster for Defence - cut £1.5bn (40%)
    Payment to Westminster for "UK Spending" - cut £2bn (85%)

    Scottish surplus with OIl Minimum £1.5bn

    Nice. Extra money for public spending or freedon to slash taxes.
    You've got a cheek! Where do you think that "London" debt came from? Overspending by Scottish chancellors Brown and Darling followed by bailing out Scottish banks Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax Bank of Scotland.

    As for UK spending, a lot of that goes on welfare payments. I must have missed Scotland's full employment rate!
    Try "overspending by inept Westminster teet-suckers Brown and Darling followed by bailing out the City of London which it would have had to do had Scotland been Independent because you bail out where the activity is not the headquarters".
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Newsnight vox pop found only one person even knew what a "non-dom" was -- though there was widespread support for "taxing the rich a lot more" generally.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,851
    Scott_P said:

    @ScottyNational: News: Millions take to the streets to protest against evil BBC as they allow opposition parties to talk during FM chat with adoring audience

    Unionism and humour go together like a horse and Tesco's lasagne.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Game Changer?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    Danny565 said:

    Newsnight vox pop found only one person even knew what a "non-dom" was -- though there was widespread support for "taxing the rich a lot more" generally.

    And that was just in the Newsnight offices.
  • JPJ2JPJ2 Posts: 380
    Garethofthevale

    "You've got a cheek! Where do you think that "London" debt came from? Overspending by Scottish chancellors Brown and Darling followed by bailing out Scottish banks Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax Bank of Scotland"

    Sorry, I am not interested in the ethnicity of Brown & Darling-they remain unionists and Brit Nats.

    Mr Goodwin of RBS was knighted by unionists and was an adviser to the self-described North Briton Brown.

    HALIFAX (it's in England) took over the Bank of Scotland and supplied its senior management who were in charge when it fell into difficulties
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    edited April 2015
    Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.

    Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Driving from Gloucestershire to St Davids, Pembrokeshire and back over the last 4 days. Weather, bodyboarding, accom and restraurants all lovely......4 hours each way the only signs of an election were sporadic tory signs in fields on the main routes, and two homes with Vote Green posters. nothing else, anywhere, no Labour, no PC, no UKIP, nothing. Might as well not be happening.
  • Dair said:

    With 48% of Scotland wanting the Second Referendum within five years, public opinion is already there. It will be in the 2016 Manifesto. They can safely scoop up 50% of the vote with that commitment in place.

    That's all very well, but the Scottish Parliament lacks the power to hold a second referendum and will not be given it any time soon.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
    Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    How did the canvassing go in Pudsey,alot of good responses on the door step I hope.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942
    edited April 2015

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Alternatively, "Ed Miliband had the courage to take on his own brother in order to make the right decisions for the Labour party. Now he has the courage to take on anyone as PM in order to make the right decisions for this country".

    I've not been encouraged to vote Labour, and I would like Cameron to turn things around, but I'm not sure this 'took on his brother' thing is really the fruitful ground some think it is re Ed M.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    welshowl said:

    Cyclefree said:

    weejonnie said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SMukesh said:

    About non-doms,I think Labour could have done better on a bomb-shell of a policy.

    And the Tories have done as well as they could with a popular left-wing policy.

    Tightening the rules on non-doms is not necessarily a left-wing policy. If you choose to live in a country you should jolly well contribute by paying taxes on the same basis as everyone else. I pay taxes at pretty high marginal rates - and both my parents were immigrants - and I am fed up with others inheriting a tax domicile that allows them to live in the same country with the same advantages but pay tax on a lesser and more favourable basis, as if paying tax were some optional hobby.

    The devil is in the detail, of course, which is where Labour tend to fall over their own shoelaces. But there is something very unappealing about very rich people complaining about being asked to comtribute and saying they'll leave if they don't get things their own way.

    Blackmail is still blackmail, whether it's done by some union leader threatening strikes or some wealthy foreigner threatening to leave.

    Our economy - even in London - has to amount to more than just servicing the needs of the spoilt rich.

    The non doms still pay UK taxes on UK revenue - £8.3 billion last tax year. Not bad for non-payers of taxes.

    Why not get some facts before ranting?
    We're supposed to be grateful, are we, that people living here paid some tax! FFS - let's grow a pair as a country. By all means, be open for business and investment but there is no earthly reason why we have to cow-tow to the demands of a few rich people.

    If I - a non-Labour supporter - can see the merits in tightening the rules so that people do not take advantage unfairly those who are reacting as if Labour had proposed the slaughter of the first born are, I would suggest, a tad out of touch with how this will play with people who feel that governments (from New Labour on) have been rather too concerned with what a few rich people think rather than the rather larger number of the rest of us.
    I too can see the merits of tightening the rules ( slowly ) but in a world that is more mobile and interconnected than ever both from a personal and capital perspective (especially for the mega rich) you've got to tread with caution ( even if holding one's nose so to speak).
    You have to take into account the "avoidance of double taxation" treaties whereby a person with overseas income who pays tax overseas is not taxed again in his place of residence. The UK has over 100 treaties of this kind with other countries. So to insist that a person pays tax here on his worldwide income may not be a realistic goal.

  • Am I the only one imagining the finger of Anna Soubry in this pic?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCGbYImW0AAYGsE.jpg
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    BenM said:

    Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.

    Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.

    You should fear. The Good Lord Crosy of Swingback has predicted a polling tsunami of epic proportions to smash Labour to peices, Labour...SELL,SELL,SELL.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891
    BenM said:

    Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.

    Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.

    Exactly the same arguments the Nats made about any argument the Unionists made. It is okay to point out something will have bad consequences. Labour does it all the time with the Tories and the NHS.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,851

    Dair said:

    With 48% of Scotland wanting the Second Referendum within five years, public opinion is already there. It will be in the 2016 Manifesto. They can safely scoop up 50% of the vote with that commitment in place.

    That's all very well, but the Scottish Parliament lacks the power to hold a second referendum and will not be given it any time soon.
    That's not what rising star Ruthie said tonight.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Game Changer?
    It will be if Ed says he agrees with Nicola on this ;-)

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942

    Dair said:

    With 48% of Scotland wanting the Second Referendum within five years, public opinion is already there. It will be in the 2016 Manifesto. They can safely scoop up 50% of the vote with that commitment in place.

    That's all very well, but the Scottish Parliament lacks the power to hold a second referendum and will not be given it any time soon.
    I don't see that concerning them. They can hold a vote that is not in any way legal and if the result is as they like then in some way, in some fashion, legal reality will follow at some point, I am sure. How could it not? Just a question of how much kicking and screaming it will take to get there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Dair No way Sturgeon will give a clear manifesto commitment to hold another referendum unless an EU exit, that is clear from all her statements and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Trident is one thing where Ed really does need to stand firm. That really is one thing where the low/middle-income voters they need are generally have the "conservative" view (whereas austerity and being "pro-business" generally are not). No return to that 1980s CND/Guardianist nonsense, please.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Labour 1% in front. Lord Crosby of Swingback should be defrocked.

    Tic Toc Tic Toc!

    Didn't you post something earlier about a poll tonight ?

    Labour still ahead in the Yougov polls. The Swingback Tsunami is running out of Tic Tocs!
    You do realise they radically changed methodology last night? It's not just basil that can move a goalpost.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Dair said:

    Now we know the SNP is in favour of Full Fiscal Autonomy from next year will they say where the cuts will be made?

    Here's what I would cut if I were John Swinney.

    Payment to Westminster for London debt - £5bn
    Overpayment to Westminster for Defence - cut £1.5bn (40%)
    Payment to Westminster for "UK Spending" - cut £2bn (85%)

    Scottish surplus with OIl Minimum £1.5bn

    Nice. Extra money for public spending or freedon to slash taxes.

    Back-of-fag-packet economics as per Nats and Labour.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Game Changer?
    It will be if Ed says he agrees with Nicola on this ;-)

    As big a game changer as The Mansion Tax Riots?
  • RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    How did the canvassing go in Pudsey,alot of good responses on the door step I hope.
    I think it is going to be close, But I was encouraged by the responses.

    I think the UKIP squeeze Lord A has found is genuine, which helps the Tories.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
    Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.
    Tonights YG = EICIPM
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    edited April 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, including causing an international incident that required Mandy to dig him / the UK out of a huge hole, didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.

    Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."

    Here here.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins

    Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"

    That's ended that line of attack.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    Ed won by cheating, actually. Or rather letting GMB and Unite cheat for him.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
    Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.
    Tonights YG = EICIPM
    ah I keep getting the acronym wrong.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751


    Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins

    Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"

    That's ended that line of attack.

    :-)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Driving from Gloucestershire to St Davids, Pembrokeshire and back over the last 4 days. Weather, bodyboarding, accom and restraurants all lovely......4 hours each way the only signs of an election were sporadic tory signs in fields on the main routes, and two homes with Vote Green posters. nothing else, anywhere, no Labour, no PC, no UKIP, nothing. Might as well not be happening.

    I drove back from the IOW on Monday. I saw one Tory window poster in Ryde. Nothing else on the way back including a couple of marginal seats. Back low turnout, IMO.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942

    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, he didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.

    Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.
    The best leaders are always those that a)were long enough ago that their flaws and errors have been forgotten, and their successes mythologized, and b) those that never got the chance to lead.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751
    SMukesh said:


    Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins

    Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"

    That's ended that line of attack.

    :-)
    The nuclear bomb which has failed to detonate.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    RobD said:

    BenM said:

    Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.

    Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.

    Exactly the same arguments the Nats made about any argument the Unionists made. It is okay to point out something will have bad consequences. Labour does it all the time with the Tories and the NHS.
    The Sun picked up Eds debate notes which specifically ruled out any dallying around with our nuclear capability.

    Yet Tories 2 days later are desperately trying to drum up some fear on the issue?!

    It's a dead rubber before it has even started. The Tory campaign is a shambles.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,893
    Betfair's seat predictions are archived on Oddschecker, but Sporting Index's spreads are not. Does anybody know where Sporting Index's spreads are archived?

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    Scott_P said:

    Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status

    Was he given a ring by a bloke talking about making a £100k donation and who is also a non-dom?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891


    Ross Hawkins @rosschawkins

    Tories attacking Labour on Trident on paper fronts. Labour spox says their Trident policy "would not be up for negotiation"

    That's ended that line of attack.

    Just like how they said abolishing non-doms would cost us money?... ;)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
    Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.
    Tonights YG = EICIPM
    Ashcroft polls on last thread seem to point the other way. Much closer to Jacks ARSE.

    In Loughborough there was a swing to the Tories.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    TODAYS BJESUS

    8.4.15 LAB 292 (292) CON 272(271) LD 30(30) UKIP 2(2) Others 54(55) (Ed is crap is PM)
    Last weeks BJESUS in brackets
    BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing) BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing)
    Using current polling adjusted for 28 days left to go factor and using UKPR standard swingometer
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Fox Have seen quite a few Tory posters, had some leaflets from Labour and the LDs but a poster is never a judge of turnout, only the most committed have one, with the election so close, the SNP and the economic situation I would expect turnout to be about the same as 2010, if not higher
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,672
    Scott_P said:

    Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status

    What the hells going on? Has Miliband u-turned in the light of Balls's misgivings, or were Labour misrepresented in the first place (in which case I blame the Guardian)? Ed needs to clarify matters or it could turn into a bit of a pickle.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891

    twitter.com/Ramsay59/status/585922346017492992

    Great photo. I often wonder how well various leaders get on.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
    Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.
    Tonights YG = EICIPM
    Ashcroft polls on last thread seem to point the other way. Much closer to Jacks ARSE.

    In Loughborough there was a swing to the Tories.
    Well we will see in 4 weeks time

    Either BJESUS or ARSE is wrong 8/5/15 will tell us which
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552

    Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."

    Here here.

    Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891

    Scott_P said:

    Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status

    What the hells going on? Has Miliband u-turned in the light of Balls's misgivings, or were Labour misrepresented in the first place (in which case I blame the Guardian)? Ed needs to clarify matters or it could turn into a bit of a pickle.
    Maybe they are not going to let anyone else become a non-dom, and let it die off slowly?
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169
    welshowl said:

    taffys said:

    BBC's Have Your Say is unimpressed with this policy proposal. That surprised me.

    Really? When you think of it, this is a de facto shift of the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the ordinary man in the street.

    We ban non doms.

    They leave.

    We have to make up the tax shortfall.

    .
    Not everyone's going to head for Geneva en masse on the next flight from Heathrow, but some will, and it doesn't take may billionaires to start creating a shortfall. The point is we don't know where the balance lies hence my view we proceed slowly ratcheting up the non dom "fee" to test the real elasticity of demand so to speak. If you just " ban the lot pronto" a la Ed M this morning ( since seemingly rowed back on by Ed Balls) you risk a nasty revenue fall surprise, and it'll be thee and me asked to make up the difference.
    That might not be the worst idea, although the counter point would be that people often dislike the notion of a 'fee' - it looks like if you're rich you can buy yourself out of the rules, while those who pay it see it as punitive. The beauty of abolishing it is that it gives off a sense of fairness - that everyone is playing by the same rules to use a horrid politician's phrase. It's less about the money raised (notice how, unlike other tax policies, it hasn't been trailed as paying for anything) and more about giving a sense of fairness. Plus, even if a few did leave initially it wouldn't be permanent, as it doesn't go beyond what most other countries do. Britain would still be an incredibly attractive place for the super-rich to work and live and if you think it wouldn't be under a Labour government, it certainly won't be because of non dom status. A few years later everyone will just think 'that was a funny old rule, why was that a thing?'

    Assuming that it will lose money is as daft as thinking it'll raise a vast sum, as how successful it is depends on so many factors as to be unknowable, like what the governments of other countries do, Britain's attractiveness as a country, other taxation policies - I think to most people it's a no-brainer really, abolish an arcane unfair rule which hopefully brings in some cash. It's the flat-footed Tory response that's given this particular policy political traction. All Osborne had to do was say that there's a review ongoing into it and a Tory government may abolish it, but will wait for the results. Sometimes it's best to concede and move on.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Fox Have seen quite a few Tory posters, had some leaflets from Labour and the LDs but a poster is never a judge of turnout, only the most committed have one, with the election so close, the SNP and the economic situation I would expect turnout to be about the same as 2010, if not higher

    My Uncle on the IOW had had a couple of flyers. One from the LD and one from the kipper. Both were Islanders, which counts for a lot there with the caulkheads and even the overners.

    (Caulkhead =born on the Island, overner = born on the mainland)
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,672
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    Chris Leslie on Newsnight confirms there are no plans to abolish non-dom status

    What the hells going on? Has Miliband u-turned in the light of Balls's misgivings, or were Labour misrepresented in the first place (in which case I blame the Guardian)? Ed needs to clarify matters or it could turn into a bit of a pickle.
    Maybe they are not going to let anyone else become a non-dom, and let it die off slowly?
    So how long will it take for all the Non Doms to die off? Seventy years? I was expecting the benefits a bit sooner than that. I want my billion pounds now!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I've seen just one election poster so far — for Theresa May on the A404 outside Maidenhead. Didn't seem to be anything in Ealing Central & Acton yesterday despite it being a crucial marginal.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    Dair No way Sturgeon will give a clear manifesto commitment to hold another referendum unless an EU exit, that is clear from all her statements and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise

    At the least she will commit to holding one "if the public mood wants one" thereby fudging it while allowing it to proceed. Waiting is a bad idea - which is why the Unionists are trying so desperately to force the SNP hand.

    They won't.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    A wee present for all our local friendly Cybernats tonight...

    @paul1kirby: Still so true. Matt's cartoon from last Election. Post debate spin #GE2015 http://t.co/FPMQ0pMjAU
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."

    Here here.

    Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.

    Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    AndyJS said:

    Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.

    How many SNP?
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."

    Here here.

    Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.

    Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.
    Plymouth or Cumbria would be better. Swift access to the deep ocean needed.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    AndyJS said:

    I've seen just one election poster so far — for Theresa May on the A404 outside Maidenhead. Didn't seem to be anything in Ealing Central & Acton yesterday despite it being a crucial marginal.

    Glad you've returned back.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Tory coming back from their holidays...

    Basically its still tied.
    Nah lots f the Tories still skiing and many more in the sun till next week. :)
    Quite right. Too hungover to fill out an online poll.
    It's not that. This week, I've been telling YouGov that I'm voting Lib Dem = No Tory lead

    So if I get polled for tomorrow's poll, I'll say I'm voting Tory = Tory lead
    Are you the YouGov Panel?
    I am, they asked me the best thing ever last week

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcYoNrWoAEXrqo.jpg:large
    Disappointed EMICIPM was not an option.
    Tonights YG = EICIPM
    Ashcroft polls on last thread seem to point the other way. Much closer to Jacks ARSE.

    In Loughborough there was a swing to the Tories.
    Well we will see in 4 weeks time

    Either BJESUS or ARSE is wrong 8/5/15 will tell us which
    Newsnight forecast LAB seats closer to BJESUS thin ARSE
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,891

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Fox Indeed, IOW is one place a local candidate has a head start
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Kent rising

    great stuff from Fallon. At last some aggression from the tories. At last some snap in the contact area.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Cyclefree said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Not this old canard again! David Milliband had no more right to the Labour leadership than my dog. Ed won under the rules. Ruthlessness is not a bad quality to find in a political leader.

    I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, including causing an international incident that required Mandy to dig him / the UK out of a huge hole, didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.

    Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.
    Not to mention that before that his big idea was the personal carbon credit.

    I reckon it's mainly a tb/gb factional thing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034

    AndyJS said:

    Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.

    How many SNP?
    43. They match Election Forecastr.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Dair A commitment 'If the public mood wants one' implies 55%+ for yes, nowhere near that now, which is why she will not hold one for the moment
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    AndyJS said:

    Newsnight's election forecast puts Labour on 273, an increase of 15 seats from 2010.

    How many SNP?
    42 I think.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    I know Rod Crosby has been using Lebo-Norpoth, but those very same academics forecast a pretty much level parliament.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ben Harris-Quinney @B_HQ

    Nicky Morgan just gave an awful interview about non-dom tax status http://ind.pn/1Jns9GO

    Why is @NickyMorgan01 a conservative?


    Bow Group @bowgroup

    Nicky Morgan appears to agree that non-doms should pay tax. What? http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/nicky-morgan-appears-agree-non-doms-should-pay-tax-what

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2015
    The current forecasts all say EICIPM but only with SNP support. Which is a bit of a problem for Labour in the final 4 weeks IMO.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."

    Here here.

    Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.

    Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.
    Build a purpose built facility near Harwich or Felixstowe.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    I have to say, it does look like there's a whiff of panic coming from the Tories.

    In a way, that makes me more confident than the Labour poll leads make me.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?

    Cameron is a counter puncher. He likes his oppo to come on to him. Tories still have a big war chest and an entire manifesto to unload.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034
    HYUFD said:

    Dair A commitment 'If the public mood wants one' implies 55%+ for yes, nowhere near that now, which is why she will not hold one for the moment

    I don't understand the focus on Indy Ref two - it's completely irrelevant to the Westminster Elections. Reminds me of Lib Dems/Inners complaining that the Conservatives "bang on about Europe" when they themselves are the ones bringing it up.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @FrancisUrquart

    'I still don't get this about David Miliband. He was crap foreign secretary, he didn't take his chance to get rid of Brown (and do the nation a favour) and then he lost in an election for the leadership. Now playing Thunderbirds in NY.

    Don't get why he is supposed to be this great leader lost.'

    You get the same stuff about John Smith who achieved even less than than David Miliband.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    BenM said:

    Fear. The last desperate roll of the dice by Lynton Crosby. Despicable Tories going down in flames.

    Lab on 35% 2 days running. Good stuff.

    2 days since the methodology change
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
    Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    273 + 43 = 316

    PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line

    ARSE has that combination about 30 short

    We will see in 29 days if JackW is right

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751
    taffys said:

    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan?

    Cameron is a counter puncher. He likes his oppo to come on to him. Tories still have a big war chest and an entire manifesto to unload.

    Incumbents run mostly on their record.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,942
    AndyJS said:

    The current forecasts all say EICIPM but only with SNP support. Which is a bit of a problem for Labour in the final 4 weeks IMO.

    Could be. Although as problems go, the one that still ends with EIPM is a better one to have than some.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Fallon: "The SNP's childlike world view would sacrifice the long-term security of the UK and play into the hands of our enemies. The nuclear deterrent protects all of Britain and the SNP represents a separatist threat that would dangerously weaken our collective defence. When Britain faces nuclear blackmail by rogue states, this self-indulgent approach is more suited to a student protest group than a party of government."

    Here here.

    Well stick them off the coast of the garden of fucking england then.

    Bring it on, bring it on. Have 'em docked off Dover and Folkestone of an independent England.
    Plymouth or Cumbria would be better. Swift access to the deep ocean needed.
    Now we're rolling. New jobs in Plymouth and Cumbria, serving the subs of the Royal English Navy.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Fox Indeed, IOW is one place a local candidate has a head start

    The Tory MP is incumbent since 2001, but a mainlander. Not popular but likely to hold on.

    Welcome back Andy! I have missed your spreadsheets.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    273 + 43 = 316

    PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line

    ARSE has that combination about 30 short

    We will see in 29 days if JackW is right

    I actually think that's about right as we stand but then it's 1974-9 all over again. Messy.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?

    Should we start a pool on which Shad Cab member denounced it on film this year?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.

    The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.

    Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlanRoden: Front page of tomorrow's Scottish Daily Mail #scotpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday http://t.co/3SawyUKTDz
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited April 2015

    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
    I'm not sure the word good was required.

    Populist, last minute and ill thought out is more accurate so far.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,034

    273 + 43 = 316

    PC/SDLP/Green gets EICIPM over the line

    ARSE has that combination about 30 short

    We will see in 29 days if JackW is right

    Their model is broadly good but there are a couple of exceptions.

    There is no way on God's Green Earth Labour should be 1-100 in Bradford West.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Nearly 70 per cent of Britain’s Jewish community plan to vote Tory http://sunpl.us/60144rBq pic.twitter.com/eMeUpTSO5M

    I do love these random Scum stats. 99% of one legged nuns with a false arm will be voting Tory. 88% of Brummies who own dwarf hamsters thinks Red Ed looks weird.Then the next tweet. Labour ahead by ....
    It was a survation poll for the Jewish Chronicle wasn't it?
    ? Don't pay to read the Scum, so wouldn't know. Just read it under the Labour lead confirmation. Notice there are quite a few of these random polls on there when I go on to view what the Labour lead is.
    Me neither, but it was for the Jewish Chronicle not the Sun, and Survation tweeted about it
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    Dair A commitment 'If the public mood wants one' implies 55%+ for yes, nowhere near that now, which is why she will not hold one for the moment

    50 individuals in a standard 1000 sample is not "nowhere near".
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    RobD said:

    SMukesh said:

    Ouch - Michael Fallon in the Times

    "Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the UK in the back to become PM"

    Tories thrashing about.

    7 year old should resit exams.

    Online porn will be blocked.

    We will buy 4 subs.


    Much as it distresses me to agree with him, Smukesh is correct. Tory campaign is a disappointing shambles....I support the Cons but the SATS and porn things are just rubbish...the sort of thing that you put out on a a boring february tuesday in the third year of a parlt..ZHC and Nondoms are both clearly economically iliterate bonkers to an informed audience but work for the politically non-engaged in an election context....unless Lynton Crosby has a cunning plan this is not going as intended....
    Lab dangerously close to running out of ideas with 29 days to go. Perhaps that's the plan? ;)
    Another good headline grabber coming Friday....so I hear ;-)
    Will it fall apart after an hour, or stay the course until lunchtime?
    Nah, PB Hodges will quote the ex-drug dealing, repeat drink driving bankruptee repeatedly saying it is a disaster,whilst the msm, through gritted Tory teeth will say "That's another day chalked up for Labour".

    Tic meet Toc and his friends Tic and Toc.
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Danny565 said:

    I have to say, it does look like there's a whiff of panic coming from the Tories.

    In a way, that makes me more confident than the Labour poll leads make me.

    yep, whiff away from me to be honest...very disappointing media management and shit policy announcements....worse, shit counterattacking of rubbish labour plans. not happy...

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.

    The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.

    Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
    You did notice I did a couple of tweets on Nicky Morgan,I'm like fox news-fair and balanced ;-)
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