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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Jim murphy in f*** the english mode over mansion tax

    This is precisely why (Betting aside) every English should want the SNP to suceed over SLAB !
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Saw a great show on the Travel Channel yesterday about Southern US BBQs - they used young goat hearts and praised them very highly. Not keen on older goat - it's a bit tough.

    Plato said:

    I love liver. All varieties of it. Couldn't eat heart - it's a bit too visceral for me. Heart cat food smelled very strong and put me right off trying heart myself.

    John_M said:

    Plato said:

    I notice nobody has confessed to eating tongue...

    welshowl said:

    Plato said:

    Ah ha! Controversy! :smile:

    I expected it to be like kidney or liver in terms of taste. Love liver, hate kidney [the smell makes me want to barf]

    welshowl said:

    @Ms Plato

    The white bits are fat in black pudding, though there may be barley in some versions. It's a bit like a very dry sausage (fat aside) in terms of texture. Not quite certain how to describe the taste- slightly dry meaty but not very strong.

    It's not like either really in my view at least. Not as "dense" in taste or certainly texture. But we may all taste things slightly differently I suppose. We'll never know!
    Ox tongue is a delicacy. Black pudding is delicious, either with fat or oatmeal. I just love offal in general; it's cheaper, tastier and usually more nutritious than 'normal' meat.
    Heart is nice, chop it up and make it into a stew if you don't like the look of it. I once made lambs hearts stuffed with haggis and braised them in red wine and beef stock, they were excellent. One of my favourite breakfasts is devilled kidneys on toast.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230
    Plato said:

    Never eaten buffalo. Saw a fascinating show a while ago about lamb in the USA, it's corn fed so tastes completely different to ours as grass fed.

    We have a large Nepalese community locally so I can easily buy it. I probably won't bother again, but I do buy goat meat for curries and will try an Irish stew with goat some time.

    I didn't like Icelandic lamb very much, which surprised me as it is supposed to be the dog's b******s. The answer is it has a very quick growing season - in the land of the midnight sum you can eat grass 24/7 - so has a very delicate flavour. I would rather eat something that has been living up a fell for a year or three.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    saddened said:

    surbiton said:

    Osborne defending Abramovich paying just £90000 is great !

    You genuinely don't understand, so no point discussing the issue.
    There are people coming in to Britain and buying assets like houses [ investment ? how many jobs does that create ? ] and where the price of those houses go up every quarter equal to the earnings of an average Briton.

    For that pain, they pay £90000.

    A £3m house in London inflates by about £300k every year. £90000 is peanuts !
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Plato said:

    It's not about *hurting* - it's that it's not what it tries to be. Like plastic shoes rather than leather ones.

    Or reformed chicken pretending to be breast meat. I'm quite happy for anyone to eat whatever they like. I prefer to eat the real thing.

    isam said:

    Monkeys said:

    5% or thereabouts of the population are allergic to Quorn - it made me throw up for an hour the last time I had it, and I couldn't lift my arms for a week. It's the best thing to be allergic to - something you eat as a replacement for something. It's like being allergic to peanut substitute.

    Sell at 5% for as much as I can

    Can't understand why people tell those that are uncomfortable eating animals killed for our pleasure that they shouldn't eat meat substitute? Why not?! Who cares?!

    We really aren't hurting anyone
    People can eat what they like as far as I am concerned but I just don't get why there would be an issue w someone who likes the taste of meat but feels uncomfortable eating it, eating something that tastes similar but isn't a dead animal
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2015
    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    This audience clearly more left than last night's audience. Why?



    BBC Bias ?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,688
    Rennie doing better than yesterday.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    Pulpstar said:

    Jim murphy in f*** the english mode over mansion tax

    This is precisely why (Betting aside) every English should want the SNP to suceed over SLAB !
    I, for one, want the Panda party.. I mean Tory party.. to succeed SLAB. That'd be glorious.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Green bloke is a bit bonkers isnt he.....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893

    Green bloke is a bit bonkers isnt he.....

    Which one?


    I'll get my coat.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772

    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    This audience clearly more left than last night's audience. Why?



    BBC Bias ?

    Noted that a lot too
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    Jim murphy in f*** the english mode over mansion tax

    This is precisely why (Betting aside) every English should want the SNP to suceed over SLAB !
    I think you will find the SNP will support Labour on Mansion tax.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Trust the "anti-SNP" BBC moderator to get debate onto the SNP weakness of the gap in tax income compared to now if Scotland gain full fiscal autonomy at the current price of North sea oil.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    He was the final straw for me. He was so earnest too.

    Green bloke is a bit bonkers isnt he.....

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,630
    Murphy rightly pointing out the benefits of the Union. Solidarity is great.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Plato said:

    I've turned it off - too shouty and dull.

    Anyone watching the scottish debate? Doesnt seem a very representative audience!

    OK, and talk about eating paws then ?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    surbiton said:


    There are people coming in to Britain and buying assets like houses [ investment ? how many jobs does that create ? ] and where the price of those houses go up every quarter equal to the earnings of an average Briton.

    For that pain, they pay £90000.

    A £3m house in London inflates by about £300k every year. £90000 is peanuts !

    The stamp duty alone on that investment is £360,000.
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 663
    edited April 2015
    RobD said:

    The moderator is pretty crap.

    Oi !

    :smiley:
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Pulpstar said:

    Jim murphy in f*** the english mode over mansion tax

    This is precisely why (Betting aside) every English should want the SNP to suceed over SLAB !
    It will be fun to see Murphy really losing it and he does. Just one more push of his button and he will be in expletive mode.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Saltire said:

    Trust the "anti-SNP" BBC moderator to get debate onto the SNP weakness of the gap in tax income compared to now if Scotland gain full fiscal autonomy at the current price of North sea oil.

    But isn't that an English conspiracy ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    This audience clearly more left than last night's audience. Why?



    BBC Bias ?

    Given Scotland's politics, a question at least as much for last night's hosts as tonight's.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Don't see this "trouble" Sturgeon was supposed to be in, she let the others rant about oil prices then killed the argument at the end getting a decent reception from a relatively poor audience.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    This audience clearly more left than last night's audience. Why?



    BBC Bias ?

    SNP are more left wing than Labour...
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    edited April 2015

    Murphy rightly pointing out the benefits of the Union. Solidarity is great.

    If benefits mean,'lets get the english to pay for everything!' Great...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I'm a UKIP fan,but Coburn making me cringe,they need a better voice for Scotland.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    RobD said:

    The moderator is pretty crap.

    Oi !

    :smiley:
    :lol:
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751
    About non-doms,I think Labour could have done better on a bomb-shell of a policy.

    And the Tories have done as well as they could with a popular left-wing policy.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Dair said:

    Don't see this "trouble" Sturgeon was supposed to be in, she let the others rant about oil prices then killed the argument at the end getting a decent reception from a relatively poor audience.

    Little obvious warmth towards her,
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    [ investment ? how many jobs does that create ? ]

    Hundreds.

    The estate agents who sells the property. Then lets it. The lawyer that does the conveyancing. The people who service the property or maintain it. Clean it. The accountants who organise the taxation.

    Then the people at starbucks who sell all the above their latte in the morning.

    And on and on it goes. Its called economic growth

    It's like talking to a child.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,688
    Barnett formula for ever!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The acoustics of the venue are very odd - it sounds like no one is in the audience = then it goes all echo-ey with feedback

    Isn't the audience meant to be silent in these debates?
    RobD said:

    Green bloke is a bit bonkers isnt he.....

    Which one?


    I'll get my coat.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Dair said:

    Don't see this "trouble" Sturgeon was supposed to be in, she let the others rant about oil prices then killed the argument at the end getting a decent reception from a relatively poor audience.

    Never take labour spin at face value
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Murphy saying the Barnett formula is fair for Scotland. No it isn't, it gives us more money than England! :-)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,935
    FPT
    Dair said:

    I can think of only one example in history of a sovereign state Freely and Fairly electing a majority for incorporation into another state (Texas and by plularity at their assembly not by referendum). Couple other examples of vote rigging and manipulation such as the Anshluss...But the vast majority of nations do not vote to stop being nations...

    Somebody once said the number of democracies worldwide at the end of WW2 was...seven. Democracy as we understand it today is relatively new, and even in the UK it dates back to what, the first Reform Act (1852) or even whichever Act expanded the franchise again in the 1910's. Previously, country building was simple: a big man with a sword invited you to kneel, and you knelt or picked up a sword of your own. If popular democratic formation of sovereign states is rare in history (and I do not have the time to confirm that), then that is more down to the newness of popular democracy than to state formation per se.

    But enough of my chuntering on. To answer your implicit question, states which have incorporated themselves into others post-1900 include Schleswig/Holstein/whatever, and (of course) the integration of the German Democratic Republic into the Federal Republic.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @joncraig: David Coburn, Scots UKIP MEP in Scots leaders debate, makes Nigel Farage sound like a pinko Guardian reader. Condemned by the other leaders.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Ooh major mistake from Sturgeon.

    Terrible moderation from James Cook he's just letting Murphy rant on and on.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Who is applauding who in the Sturgeon/Murphy points? It seems to be Murphy getting the claps.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Jeez this is a bit of a bun fight isnt it.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    chestnut said:

    Dair said:

    Don't see this "trouble" Sturgeon was supposed to be in, she let the others rant about oil prices then killed the argument at the end getting a decent reception from a relatively poor audience.

    Little obvious warmth towards her,
    The feet stamping from the Labour hacks who've infiltrated the audience is loud and clear. BBC Scotland playing their bit for SLAB.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Plato said:

    The acoustics of the venue are very odd - it sounds like no one is in the audience = then it goes all echo-ey with feedback

    Isn't the audience meant to be silent in these debates?

    RobD said:

    Green bloke is a bit bonkers isnt he.....

    Which one?


    I'll get my coat.
    I thought you had switched off !
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Sturgeon drowning now and getting clobbered from all sides.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,935

    Murphy rightly pointing out the benefits of the Union. Solidarity is great.

    You need four fingers to form a fist. (Sorry, my almost-uncle was a union rep back in the day)

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Dair said:

    Ooh major mistake from Sturgeon.

    Terrible moderation from James Cook he's just letting Murphy rant on and on.

    Agree.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2015
    'If this carries on, the Conservatives are going to lose.'

    Reason 157 why the Tories are going to lose!

    If Rentoul says it,it must be true.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Ukip bloke might as well not be there frankly
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,630
    It'll make no difference, but Sturgeon is being monstered here. She is completely losing it. At least she is better than the UKIP bloke
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Who's the guy on the far right of screen? Is he the Kipper?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Day looms when Westminster gives Scotland full fiscal autonomy. And the SNP says: er no, Westminster wants to give Scotland too many powers!
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Dair said:

    chestnut said:

    Dair said:

    Don't see this "trouble" Sturgeon was supposed to be in, she let the others rant about oil prices then killed the argument at the end getting a decent reception from a relatively poor audience.

    Little obvious warmth towards her,
    The feet stamping from the Labour hacks who've infiltrated the audience is loud and clear. BBC Scotland playing their bit for SLAB.
    It was to be expected from the BBC.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Wasn't the answer to that something like "There are only three people who know the answer to that - one is dead, another is mad and I've forgotten it"
    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Dair said:

    I can think of only one example in history of a sovereign state Freely and Fairly electing a majority for incorporation into another state (Texas and by plularity at their assembly not by referendum). Couple other examples of vote rigging and manipulation such as the Anshluss...But the vast majority of nations do not vote to stop being nations...

    Somebody once said the number of democracies worldwide at the end of WW2 was...seven. Democracy as we understand it today is relatively new, and even in the UK it dates back to what, the first Reform Act (1852) or even whichever Act expanded the franchise again in the 1910's. Previously, country building was simple: a big man with a sword invited you to kneel, and you knelt or picked up a sword of your own. If popular democratic formation of sovereign states is rare in history (and I do not have the time to confirm that), then that is more down to the newness of popular democracy than to state formation per se.

    But enough of my chuntering on. To answer your implicit question, states which have incorporated themselves into others post-1900 include Schleswig/Holstein/whatever, and (of course) the integration of the German Democratic Republic into the Federal Republic.
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169
    taffys said:

    BBC's Have Your Say is unimpressed with this policy proposal. That surprised me.

    Really? When you think of it, this is a de facto shift of the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the ordinary man in the street.

    We ban non doms.

    They leave.

    We have to make up the tax shortfall.

    So where will these people go to? The USA - doesn't have such a thing as non-dom status. France? It's a socialist nightmare so we hear. A tax haven? You'll have a job commuting to work in the city every day or going out for dinner in Mayfair - if someone's minded to go to the inconvenience they probably are already. It's getting rid of an unfair anomaly in the system. Claiming 'all rich people will leave' is getting a little bit like the boy who cried wolf - yes, if you raise taxation to punitive levels, people will leave, but pretending the rich will all decamp en masse at a change which brings us into line with most other countries, or every tinker with the tax code is daft. Even Cameron and Osborne know this, hence why the two main attack lines are that they're doing things already, and that Balls is contradicting himself (quoting him very selectively - it hardly seems up there with 'kick me out if I don't cut immigration'). When Tories have made that argument it's been half-heartedly as a way of deflating enthusiasm for it rather than outraged opposition.

    It's a win for Labour but a minor one, anyone thinking it will shift the polls needs to sober up. I think most people will like the idea, as it seems a fair one, but probably know that it's pretty small beer in the scheme of things.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,797

    It'll make no difference, but Sturgeon is being monstered here. She is completely losing it. At least she is better than the UKIP bloke

    3 debates in 6 days and 2 inside 24 hours is a bit much.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Plato said:

    Who's the guy on the far right of screen? Is he the Kipper?

    The fat bloke in chalkstripe? He could hardly be anything else.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    SMukesh said:

    About non-doms,I think Labour could have done better on a bomb-shell of a policy.

    And the Tories have done as well as they could with a popular left-wing policy.

    The point is if it was a bombshell of a policy it would have been done before. Why didn't brown do it in 2008 or put it in the 2010 manifesto?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,688
    Patrick Harvie is a ripe watermelon.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Dair said:

    chestnut said:

    Dair said:

    Don't see this "trouble" Sturgeon was supposed to be in, she let the others rant about oil prices then killed the argument at the end getting a decent reception from a relatively poor audience.

    Little obvious warmth towards her,
    The feet stamping from the Labour hacks who've infiltrated the audience is loud and clear. BBC Scotland playing their bit for SLAB.
    It was to be expected from the BBC.
    It's a unionist conspiracy !
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    geoffw said:

    Patrick Harvie is a ripe watermelon.

    He was that close to start singing the red flag....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    George Grant in Bradford West is doing his longterm prospects no harm, fighting a no-hope seat with real brio.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    He sounds like a Home Counties golf club big mouth. Using my Sherlock skills it seemed his likely affiliation. His accent can't help surely?
    Ishmael_X said:

    Plato said:

    Who's the guy on the far right of screen? Is he the Kipper?

    The fat bloke in chalkstripe? He could hardly be anything else.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Cook destroyed the last shred of credibility he had left. Welcome to the Jim Murphy show, the anal riming of Murphy is becoming nauseating.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Patrick Harvie is usually so good but he's completely off his game tonight. This is the worst I've ever seen him perform.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    john_zims said:

    'If this carries on, the Conservatives are going to lose.'

    Reason 157 why the Tories are going to lose!

    If Rentoul says it,it must be true.

    Are you a non dom, Zim ?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,688
    James Cook intervening too readily.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154

    Murphy rightly pointing out the benefits of the Union. Solidarity is great.

    If benefits mean,'lets get the english to pay for everything!' Great...
    He means it is good for him.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Which one is he? The bald guy with glasses?
    Dair said:

    Patrick Harvie is usually so good but he's completely off his game tonight. This is the worst I've ever seen him perform.

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Cook destroyed the last shred of credibility he had left. Welcome to the Jim Murphy show, the anal riming of Murphy is becoming nauseating.

    Basically Sturgeon is not up to it.

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751
    I love this guy Cook.He gets answers.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    I hope the SNP aren't choking. Worried.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    I wouldn't serve mince, tatties and neeps without a bit of white pudding or skirlie to finish the dish off. :)
    Carnyx said:

    As for white pudding, one can make skirlie (coarse oatmeal and onion, basically) if one wants a more herbivorous option. Very good baked and served with roast chicken, too.

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,751
    Cook has flummoxed 3 of the leaders so far.I can`t wait for the next one.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Plato said:

    Which one is he? The bald guy with glasses?

    Yeah, he's usually incredible in this sort of situation. Shame, was hoping people would see how well he usually does.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCsarahsmith: #leadersdeabte @NicolaSturgeon says something material would have to change before she proposes another #indyref. Not heard that before
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517

    It'll make no difference, but Sturgeon is being monstered here. She is completely losing it. At least she is better than the UKIP bloke

    3 debates in 6 days and 2 inside 24 hours is a bit much.
    Anna and I have 3 debates in 5 days from Sunday (Sun, Mon, Thur). Should be fun. There are two more soon afterwards. Traditionally, Broxtowe debates till the cows come home - I think we had 7 last time, all of them seen as more or less score draws.

  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    taffys said:

    BBC's Have Your Say is unimpressed with this policy proposal. That surprised me.

    Really? When you think of it, this is a de facto shift of the burden of taxation from the wealthy to the ordinary man in the street.

    We ban non doms.

    They leave.

    We have to make up the tax shortfall.

    So where will these people go to? The USA - doesn't have such a thing as non-dom status. France? It's a socialist nightmare so we hear. A tax haven? You'll have a job commuting to work in the city every day or going out for dinner in Mayfair - if someone's minded to go to the inconvenience they probably are already. It's getting rid of an unfair anomaly in the system. Claiming 'all rich people will leave' is getting a little bit like the boy who cried wolf - yes, if you raise taxation to punitive levels, people will leave, but pretending the rich will all decamp en masse at a change which brings us into line with most other countries, or every tinker with the tax code is daft. Even Cameron and Osborne know this, hence why the two main attack lines are that they're doing things already, and that Balls is contradicting himself (quoting him very selectively - it hardly seems up there with 'kick me out if I don't cut immigration'). When Tories have made that argument it's been half-heartedly as a way of deflating enthusiasm for it rather than outraged opposition.

    It's a win for Labour but a minor one, anyone thinking it will shift the polls needs to sober up. I think most people will like the idea, as it seems a fair one, but probably know that it's pretty small beer in the scheme of things.
    They'll probably go to Ireland - much cheaper and London is an hours flight away.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    Mike, my oldest and youngest lads were at the debate tonight, both first time voters and planning to vote Conservative. My middle son is planning to vote SNP.

    Cook destroyed the last shred of credibility he had left. Welcome to the Jim Murphy show, the anal riming of Murphy is becoming nauseating.

    Basically Sturgeon is not up to it.

  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Cook destroyed the last shred of credibility he had left. Welcome to the Jim Murphy show, the anal riming of Murphy is becoming nauseating.

    I don't think the moderator has been pro anybody. He has been fairly questioning all of the 6 politicians (well maybe apart from UKIP who has hardly had said a thing)
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Mortimer said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:



    Someone has informed you that No won the referendum, right?

    Democratically people want Nationalists to run the provincial government. Democratically they also want to be part of a greater Union.

    People chose the SNP to run the Holyrood parliaments. It is not a "province", it is a national government.

    They choose in May 2011. They will choose and may choose differently in May 2016.

    People voted No in a referendum.

    They made this choice in September 2014. It would see only correct and reasonable to vote again before September 2019 at the latest if parties supporting this are elected to government.
    Nah, neither correct nor reasonable.

    Was the promise of the referendum that it was 'once in a generation', or 'once in a lifetime', I forget?
    If the SNP stand for election in 2016 with a clear manifesto commitment for another independence referendum, and they then win that election, then the electorate would have spoken. The case for a referendum would be irresistible.

    If the electorate don't want another referendum so soon then they will be free to vote for a whole plethora of other parties who would not have such a manifesto commitment. That's how British democracy used* to work. General elections were held in order to endorse (or reject) controversial manifesto commitments.

    The only question for the SNP is whether it makes sense to hold another referendum so soon. Losing the referendum in 2014 has served to solidify support for independence and convert it into support for the SNP, but can they win over the extra 6% of the Scottish electorate needed to win an independence referendum? What would happen if they lost a second referendum?

    * I say "used" because these days the parties tend to hide difficult choices from the electorate, and hope that they will have forgotten about the unpopular policies enacted early in a Parliament by the time of the next election. See for example tuition fees, increases to VAT, etc.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    James cook lets murphy talk through his Question and interrupts all other leaders.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Cook destroyed the last shred of credibility he had left. Welcome to the Jim Murphy show, the anal riming of Murphy is becoming nauseating.

    Basically Sturgeon is not up to it.

    Being hammered without proper moderation for 40 minutes and still able to get points across. For the position she is in it's a remarkable performance.

    But that "shamefully using the most vunerable to make a political point" statement will be replayed on the news and will haunt her for years.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    It was all a bit Professor Brainstorm in the bit I noticed.
    Dair said:

    Plato said:

    Which one is he? The bald guy with glasses?

    Yeah, he's usually incredible in this sort of situation. Shame, was hoping people would see how well he usually does.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    I hope the SNP aren't choking. Worried.

    It's a religion. They'll vote for the Chosen Ones regardless of this debate.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @FraserNelson: Strurgeon has just said the SNP would never, ever vote for spending cuts. That implies no SNP support for a Labour Budget.
  • FPT - You can ignore the Pudsey poll

    The poll was conducted before I started campaigning, so with my skills, you can stick 5% on the Tory share of the vote. But that's my legendary modesty kicking in, more like 10%.

    Overall it isn't hard to believe UKIP getting squeezed.

    Go to bed with Nigel, wake up with Ed is having some influence on the doorstep.

    I have a prediction, the Con and Lab vote share will go up in the marginals from 2010.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited April 2015
    This talk of Trident is pointless, it would easily pass the House of Commons with or without the SNP.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,630
    It is absolutely outrageous that Nicola Sturgeon is being asked questions that she has no answer to. This can only indicate BBC bias.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Alex Salmond just off stage; "Let me through... I demand to get on stage right now..." #scotsdebate
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    It is absolutely outrageous that Nicola Sturgeon is being asked questions that she has no answer to. This can only indicate BBC bias.

    Like
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,772
    Wow how much freedom to speak is murphy getting?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Murphy, Davidson and Rennie all having good night.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    This is confusing me. Ms Sturgeon seems to be trying to be responsible as that's her role - but simultaneously doing the Magic Money thing.

    Is that why she's struggling. It's a very mixed message to my ears.
    Scott_P said:

    @FraserNelson: Strurgeon has just said the SNP would never, ever vote for spending cuts. That implies no SNP support for a Labour Budget.

  • Were Labour to lose the election, the best thing they could do, is pick Jim Murphy to replace Ed Miliband.

    There's a fire in his belly.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,935
    Plato said:

    Wasn't the answer to [Schleswig-Holstein question] something like "There are only three people who know the answer to that - one is dead, another is mad and I've forgotten it"

    Palmerston. Continuing the fine tradition of inaccurately analysing Europe since 55 BC...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    He also appears to have put on a stone and no longer looks like a POW

    Were Labour to lose the election, the best thing they could do, is pick Jim Murphy to replace Ed Miliband.

    There's a fire in his belly.

  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    why is the debate tonight not live
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Wow how much freedom to speak is murphy getting?

    When the SNP say they is bias against them and pro labour bias at the bbc in Scotland,they not joking after watching this.

  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    I hope the SNP aren't choking. Worried.

    It's a religion. They'll vote for the Chosen Ones regardless of this debate.
    This is very true
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Were Labour to lose the election, the best thing they could do, is pick Jim Murphy to replace Ed Miliband.

    There's a fire in his belly.

    Is this by any chance connected to a betting slip?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,280
    SMukesh said:

    About non-doms,I think Labour could have done better on a bomb-shell of a policy.

    And the Tories have done as well as they could with a popular left-wing policy.

    Tightening the rules on non-doms is not necessarily a left-wing policy. If you choose to live in a country you should jolly well contribute by paying taxes on the same basis as everyone else. I pay taxes at pretty high marginal rates - and both my parents were immigrants - and I am fed up with others inheriting a tax domicile that allows them to live in the same country with the same advantages but pay tax on a lesser and more favourable basis, as if paying tax were some optional hobby.

    The devil is in the detail, of course, which is where Labour tend to fall over their own shoelaces. But there is something very unappealing about very rich people complaining about being asked to comtribute and saying they'll leave if they don't get things their own way.

    Blackmail is still blackmail, whether it's done by some union leader threatening strikes or some wealthy foreigner threatening to leave.

    Our economy - even in London - has to amount to more than just servicing the needs of the spoilt rich.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    Who's the lady on the far left? I don't think I've heard her speak. EDIT oh it's Ruth D. She's not saying very much
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