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  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529
    Danny565 said:

    Tim Montgomerie: If voters have a choice between an individualist right and a big-government left, the latter will prove more popular

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4405688.ece

    I think he's right.

    The general reaction to events is "the government should do something" or " the government should ban it".

    Which is why EdM's 'policy' announcements tend to be popular no matter how ill-thought out they are and how ineffective they would be in practice.

    The Conservatives don't help themselves by failing to put forward a small government philosophy. They had the makings of one with the 'Big Society' but it was never thought through properly and then it was abandoned.

    Conservatives attempts to match EdM with policy announcements are therefore self-defeating - if someone wants a meddling big-government then its natural to support Labour, who believe in the philosophy, rather than the Conservatives, who don't or at least shouldn't.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,984


    Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

    Tony Blair sparks fresh Labour civil war on Europe http://sunpl.us/60114rB7 pic.twitter.com/bQeMR23l11

    Hope so.

    The Scum is now getting desperate,it is even running the same anti-Labour, anti-Ed, pro-Tory stories over and over again on its twitter page.

    Though to balance it up amongst the dozens of one way stories a story about Kelly Brook fancying Ed Miliband?????
    You did notice I did a couple of tweets on Nicky Morgan,I'm like fox news-fair and balanced ;-)
    Drawing up my PB List for Election night, each person gets two, some extra special posters get three,so we can all have a little fist pump when those Labour gains come in.ls there ayone in particular you would like apart from Andy Sawford?
    Bradford west ;-) seems a little spat going off with Gorgeous George and the labour candidate - lol

    To use a well-worn cliche, GG could start a fight in an empty room
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    UKPR point out that YouGov have changed their methodology now that the election is under way. I'm not sure that this makes their previous polls comparable.

    And on the subject of non doms (again) how crass is Mike Smithson to parade the crass drivel from Rentoul?
    The person seen on tape clearly defending the concept of non dom status is Ed Balls.

    But hey why not play along with labour propaganda - Mr Smithson is so outside the Westminster bubble that he will go to ludicrous extremes to try to get the worst cabinet minister in the entire coalition government re-elected.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529
    AndyJS said:

    Radio 4: Nondoms were introduced by William Pitt the Younger in 1799.

    Nice to see you back Andy.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    Scott_P said:

    MikeL said:

    What is the format of that 30 mins?

    Will Con and LD appear together? Will it be Cameron and Clegg? Separate programme or continuation with Dimbleby?

    Interviews with Emily Maitlis, separate I think
    Thanks - yes I checked schedule - it's debate reaction presented by Maitlis - suspect will be in spin room - will be interesting to see if it's 100% Con and LD interviews - or whether other parties also get a look in.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Itwasrigged Posts: 68
    12:11AM
    Media is getting predictable. STV showing it isn't much better than the BBC Wonder if she is related to Jim Murphy

    Strikes me as this could be very damaging to Labour. A number of journos cited it as supposed evidence of Murphy's persuasive powers. They will feel pretty stupid.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?

    See profile pic :D
    What is it with you and girls in your pic!! :D
    :D Well I think the forum needs a pretty face at times ;)

    All recent photographs have been my own btw
    Prepare to be banned for implying OGH doesn't have a pretty face.
    With the Teletubbies starting again I think we should start a petition to have OGH as the face in the sun.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    scotslass said:

    Pulpstar Posts: 15,602
    12:00AM
    Shock of the evening, the girl Murphy persuaded to vote Labour was a plant !
    Who'd have thunk it.

    Evidence for this claim?

    See profile pic :D
    What is it with you and girls in your pic!! :D
    :D Well I think the forum needs a pretty face at times ;)

    All recent photographs have been my own btw
    Prepare to be banned for implying OGH doesn't have a pretty face.
    With the Teletubbies starting again I think we should start a petition to have OGH as the face in the sun.
    GenuLOL. Anyone good at photoshop?

    ...*banned*
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    john_zims said:

    @Tykejohnno

    'Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit'

    BBC couldn't find a single person in Warwick North who knew what a Non Dom was.

    Well that's part of labours audience,it sounds good brigade ;-)

    I'm still not exactly sure what the policy is or what a non dom is etc. Remaining in this sort of ignorance keeps me in tune with the electorate. It sounds like bash the very, very, very rich and as most people think people with CONSIDERABLY more money than them should have to pay a bit more it'll play well.

    Actually finding out the specifics of any Labour policy will diminish your understanding of the effect.

    Bit like the debates. To fully appreciate them you don't need to watch them, just check out who has won afterwards ;)
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Do you think Thatcher would have backtracked on this,she would have sent her big hitters out defending it and get message across that labour could hit public services with they political stunt.



    You are suffering from hysterical election overload. The policy has unravelled. Ed Balls has done the tories job for them.
    The tories are in government - in elections they are there to be shot at. It goes with the territory. Labour are making a poor job at it.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd

    Labour policy coming thick and fast,policies what ordinary people care about and what are the tories up to,something about 4 subs.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Do you think Thatcher would have backtracked on this,she would have sent her big hitters out defending it and get message across that labour could hit public services with they political stunt.



    You are suffering from hysterical election overload. The policy has unravelled. Ed Balls has done the tories job for them.
    The tories are in government - in elections they are there to be shot at. It goes with the territory. Labour are making a poor job at it.
    Has it bollocks, the only people noticing it unravelling are those who pay too much attention to the news.

    The big message battle today was "Labour - On your side" vs "Conservative competence". I'm scoring today to Labour at any rate.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529
    Pulpstar said:

    john_zims said:

    @Tykejohnno

    'Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit'

    BBC couldn't find a single person in Warwick North who knew what a Non Dom was.

    Well that's part of labours audience,it sounds good brigade ;-)

    I'm still not exactly sure what the policy is or what a non dom is etc. Remaining in this sort of ignorance keeps me in tune with the electorate. It sounds like bash the very, very, very rich and as most people think people with CONSIDERABLY more money than them should have to pay a bit more it'll play well.

    Actually finding out the specifics of any Labour policy will diminish your understanding of the effect.

    Bit like the debates. To fully appreciate them you don't need to watch them, just check out who has won afterwards ;)
    Its even better than that.

    It sounds like bash the very, very, very rich foreigners.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Do you think Thatcher would have backtracked on this,she would have sent her big hitters out defending it and get message across that labour could hit public services with they political stunt.



    You are suffering from hysterical election overload. The policy has unravelled. Ed Balls has done the tories job for them.
    The tories are in government - in elections they are there to be shot at. It goes with the territory. Labour are making a poor job at it.
    Wrong,labour have got they message across to the people they wanted to on this,job done.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712
    Danny565 said:

    Can it be a coincidence that within days of the first Tory lead in ELBOW, the pollsters either can't be arsed this week, or come up with Labour leads?

    (only kidding!)

    Give us your bent-ELBOW of the week so far!
    Plugging in an estimated voting sample of 1400 into tonight's YG, I get a Lab lead of 1.4%, highest since February...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd

    Labour policy coming thick and fast,policies what ordinary people care about and what are the tories up to,something about 4 subs.

    Its news to me that teenagers don't already get this. Isn't that what happens at schools? If it doesn't, it should.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    David Coburn seems to be the story out of tonight's Scottish debate. He could be the man who helps Mundell hold onto DCT in all honesty !
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2015

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Zac Goldsmith was a non dom until he entered Parliament. If he was British enough to be entering Parliament, why was he allowed to be a non dom ? His brother, apparently, a Conservative donor, did not comment last month as to whether he was one or not.

    They "inherited" their non-domicile status meaning they and their children could continue not paying taxes on overseas earnings for decades even if they reside here like 99% of other Britons, but the 99% of the others would have to pay tax on the same overseas earnings !

    Is this fair ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Zac Goldsmith was a non dom until he entered Parliament. If he was British enough to be entering Parliament, why was he allowed to be a non dom ? His brother, apparently, a Conservative donor, did not comment last month as to whether he was one or not.

    They "inherited" their non-domicile status meaning they and their children could continue not paying taxes on overseas earnings for decades even if they reside here like 99% of other Britons, but the 99% of the others would have to pay tax on the same overseas earnings !

    Is this fair ?
    You don't have to be British to enter Parliament.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    scotslass said:

    Itwasrigged Posts: 68
    12:11AM
    Media is getting predictable. STV showing it isn't much better than the BBC Wonder if she is related to Jim Murphy

    Strikes me as this could be very damaging to Labour. A number of journos cited it as supposed evidence of Murphy's persuasive powers. They will feel pretty stupid.

    Nicola, you sound rattled ! You were not very good tonight !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Rahm Emanuel projected to hold off challenge from Jesus Garcia to win reelection as Chicago Mayor 56-44%
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  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Zac Goldsmith was a non dom until he entered Parliament. If he was British enough to be entering Parliament, why was he allowed to be a non dom ? His brother, apparently, a Conservative donor, did not comment last month as to whether he was one or not.

    They "inherited" their non-domicile status meaning they and their children could continue not paying taxes on overseas earnings for decades even if they reside here like 99% of other Britons, but the 99% of the others would have to pay tax on the same overseas earnings !

    Is this fair ?
    You don't have to be British to enter Parliament.
    That is not the point. The point is someone could stay in this country for years and decades and even pass on the privilege to his children which is denied to 99% of others.

    This is really indefensible.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Do you think Thatcher would have backtracked on this,she would have sent her big hitters out defending it and get message across that labour could hit public services with they political stunt.

    In Thatcher's day the ultra rich would have been a business executive earning £150Kpa.

    This is where the increase in inequality and the reduction in socioeconomic mobility is damaging the Conservatives.

    What we have now is a much larger gap between the average person and the ultra rich and the ultra rich becoming an increasingly closed off section of society.

    Its very damaging to a party associated as being 'on the side of the rich' when the 'rich' become totally disconnected from everyone else.

    I've pointed this out before but Harry Enfield's 'Loadsamoney' character from the last years of Thatcher was not a banker or a yuppie but a plasterer.


  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2015
    john_zims said:

    @Tykejohnno

    'Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit'

    BBC couldn't find a single person in North Warwickshire who knew what a Non Dom was.

    Yup ! Edward Miliband is a soft touch. EICIPM.

    Funny, very few PBTories now write the long hand , "Ed is Crap" !
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd

    Labour policy coming thick and fast,policies what ordinary people care about and what are the tories up to,something about 4 subs.

    Its news to me that teenagers don't already get this. Isn't that what happens at schools? If it doesn't, it should.
    Yes, it's a ruddy good idea. When I was at school it was piecemeal until sixth form - you had about 2 form lessons in Year 10 with a computer program and a teacher. A face to face adviser would've been a vast improvement, as you would've been able to admit hopes, fears and ambitions in private rather than joking around saying you'd join the mafia or become a spy, or laughing when your mate got 'sandwich maker' (nothing wrong with that, just seemed strange to be qualified for). Could help improve kids results if they see their work as leading to something tangible, and shouldn't prove too costly as you could have one or two per area.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
    A million teenagers, at say £50 per hour. They won't get much advice before the money runs out will they?

    I see the same PR release mentions 'Guaranteed Apprenticeships'. I wonder how that will work in practice.
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  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,529


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd

    Labour policy coming thick and fast,policies what ordinary people care about and what are the tories up to,something about 4 subs.

    Its news to me that teenagers don't already get this. Isn't that what happens at schools? If it doesn't, it should.
    Yes, it's a ruddy good idea. When I was at school it was piecemeal until sixth form - you had about 2 form lessons in Year 10 with a computer program and a teacher. A face to face adviser would've been a vast improvement, as you would've been able to admit hopes, fears and ambitions in private rather than joking around saying you'd join the mafia or become a spy, or laughing when your mate got 'sandwich maker' (nothing wrong with that, just seemed strange to be qualified for). Could help improve kids results if they see their work as leading to something tangible, and shouldn't prove too costly as you could have one or two per area.

    Labour are certainly playing a "we're on your side" strategy.

    And have picked areas where there is genuine cause for concern.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    In SPIN, Lab + SNP + SDLP + Green + PC = 322

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  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
    A million teenagers, at say £50 per hour. They won't get much advice before the money runs out will they?

    I see the same PR release mentions 'Guaranteed Apprenticeships'. I wonder how that will work in practice.
    £50 an hour?!? The only advice they'd have to give was 'become a careers advisor'.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @surbiton

    'Yup ! Edward Miliband is a soft touch. EICIPM.

    Funny, very few PBTories now write the long hand , "Ed is Crap" !'

    So a big increase in tomorrow's YouGov for Ed is Crap?
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd

    Labour policy coming thick and fast,policies what ordinary people care about and what are the tories up to,something about 4 subs.

    Its news to me that teenagers don't already get this. Isn't that what happens at schools? If it doesn't, it should.
    Yes, it's a ruddy good idea. When I was at school it was piecemeal until sixth form - you had about 2 form lessons in Year 10 with a computer program and a teacher. A face to face adviser would've been a vast improvement, as you would've been able to admit hopes, fears and ambitions in private rather than joking around saying you'd join the mafia or become a spy, or laughing when your mate got 'sandwich maker' (nothing wrong with that, just seemed strange to be qualified for). Could help improve kids results if they see their work as leading to something tangible, and shouldn't prove too costly as you could have one or two per area.

    Labour are certainly playing a "we're on your side" strategy.

    And have picked areas where there is genuine cause for concern.
    After a slow start, probably as they'd invested so much attention in the debates, Labour now seem in the ascendancy, just. They've had the first policy 'hit' of the campaign. What's been strange about the Tory campaign so far is that there's been no real attempt to confound expectations with something like that. You'd have thought it would take one look at a poll to see that they're disliked as heartless and arrogant. I'm surprised Osborne didn't do the non dom thing tbh. Still, I'm sure he has a few rabbits. One better not be IHT though, it won't play as well as 2007.

  • BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teachers are the last people who should give careers advice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    edited April 2015


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
    A million teenagers, at say £50 per hour. They won't get much advice before the money runs out will they?

    I see the same PR release mentions 'Guaranteed Apprenticeships'. I wonder how that will work in practice.
    £50 an hour?!? The only advice they'd have to give was 'become a careers advisor'.

    Its a fair point from Watcher. £50 per CONTACT hr doesn't seem that crazy, because that doesn't mean £50 in the individuals pocket.

    You have to consider overheads, pension contributions, NI, travel, admin, etc. The true cost of an employee is far higher than their pay packet hourly.

    I can see if you paid somebody £30-35k a year, you would eat up that £50 / hour.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:


    Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

    YouGov/First Verdict App poll on Nom Doms: 77% approve of Miliband policy -
    We reveal Tories seeking to copy... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/polit

    Christ,who said the tories doing bad this week.

    The Conservatives should stick to their guns on Non-Doms. As Flash pointed out these people generate alot of tax for the country... if a party of the centre-right can't make the case for that, what is the point of them ?!
    Agree,tories should be defending it,shout loud and proud it pays for public services.
    Zac Goldsmith was a non dom until he entered Parliament. If he was British enough to be entering Parliament, why was he allowed to be a non dom ? His brother, apparently, a Conservative donor, did not comment last month as to whether he was one or not.

    They "inherited" their non-domicile status meaning they and their children could continue not paying taxes on overseas earnings for decades even if they reside here like 99% of other Britons, but the 99% of the others would have to pay tax on the same overseas earnings !

    Is this fair ?
    You don't have to be British to enter Parliament.
    Domicile has nothing to do with nationality...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    edited April 2015
    "Labour's education manifesto also includes commitments to smaller classes in infants' schools, a qualified teacher in every classroom"

    Now this is going to be an interesting one. They are going to have to do more than protect the education budget to achieve that, they need to be building schools like they are going out of fashion, given the massive rise in birth rates over the past few years.

    And by qualified i presume they mean got their union certified teacher "badge", not that maths grads will teach maths, chemistry grads teach chemistry, you know like proper qualified, like, innit.

    They better getting planting a lot of magic money trees to fund the smaller classes, as that is horrifically expensive to achieve.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,455


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
    So where does the £50 million from, or are they borrowing it?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    Sandpit said:


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
    So where does the £50 million from, or are they borrowing it?
    Non-doms :-)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Thanks Rob.
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Radio 4: Nondoms were introduced by William Pitt the Younger in 1799.

    Good to have you back :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,455
    surbiton said:

    In SPIN, Lab + SNP + SDLP + Green + PC = 322

    Con + LD +UKIP + DUP = 322

    The nightmare result.

    What chance a Lab - Con coalition, if only to get the boundary changes and Trident renewal through before going back to the People in the autumn..?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,455

    Sandpit said:


    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    Teenagers will be guaranteed face-to-face individual careers advice if Labour forms the next government... http://bbc.in/1DlK3Jd


    'Free Owls!'

    Who, exactly, will be giving this careers advice? And what happens afterwards? There aren't thousands of trained advisers on standby, twiddling their thumbs. Unless of course it's a job creation scheme on a par with the infamous HIPs Inspectors of the previous government. Not Yvette Coopers finest hour.

    Unless the plan is for teachers to do it. Standby for a mass moan-a-thon and grabbing hands reaching out for more cash.


    Teenagers will get guaranteed one-to-one career advice to plot pathway to work


    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115891848239/teenagers-will-get-guaranteed-one-to-one-career

    It will cost £50 million labour saying.
    So where does the £50 million from, or are they borrowing it?
    Non-doms :-)
    B b bu but Balls said getting rid of the non-doms will cost the country money, not save it...
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    surbiton Posts:12:38AM

    Has it ever occurred to you guys that if someone like me - who could not have given a stuff about the SNP just a while ago - is thought by you to be so committed to their cause then there must be a fundamental political shift going on in Scotland.

    As for Nicola. She was brilliant last week, excellent and a clear winner last night. Tonight in the words of Andrew Neil she was a women standing her ground. Murphy on the other hand comes across as not just overly agressive but rather weird.

    I think his "convert" being exposed as a Labour plant is a good story. Why don't you?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I don't know... Belgium managed without a government for a while without any problems.
    Sandpit said:

    surbiton said:

    In SPIN, Lab + SNP + SDLP + Green + PC = 322

    Con + LD +UKIP + DUP = 322

    The nightmare result.

    What chance a Lab - Con coalition, if only to get the boundary changes and Trident renewal through before going back to the People in the autumn..?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    Ed Miliband’s wife has revealed how he led her to believe he was single when they met at a dinner party – at the home of the woman he was dating.

    Justine Miliband said she was furious to discover he was seeing another woman.

    She also described how that evening, the future Labour leader bored her by insisting on talking about economics.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031236/Cameron-s-winning-floating-voters-37-cent-impressed-Prime-Minister-s-performance-election-campaign.html
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    Welcome back Andy, great to see you posting again.
    AndyJS said:

    I don't know... Belgium managed without a government for a while without any problems.

    Sandpit said:

    surbiton said:

    In SPIN, Lab + SNP + SDLP + Green + PC = 322

    Con + LD +UKIP + DUP = 322

    The nightmare result.

    What chance a Lab - Con coalition, if only to get the boundary changes and Trident renewal through before going back to the People in the autumn..?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2015

    Ed Miliband’s wife has revealed how he led her to believe he was single when they met at a dinner party – at the home of the woman he was dating.

    Justine Miliband said she was furious to discover he was seeing another woman.

    She also described how that evening, the future Labour leader bored her by insisting on talking about economics.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031236/Cameron-s-winning-floating-voters-37-cent-impressed-Prime-Minister-s-performance-election-campaign.html

    I bet she was bored - he seems not to have even the most basic understanding of economics
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Thanks Fitalass.

    Constituency nominations close at 4pm. I currently have 3,675 candidates on my list:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFkzTjFrRmJRN3F6ODBTTEs4NGFhcUE#gid=0
    fitalass said:

    Welcome back Andy, great to see you posting again.

    AndyJS said:

    I don't know... Belgium managed without a government for a while without any problems.

    Sandpit said:

    surbiton said:

    In SPIN, Lab + SNP + SDLP + Green + PC = 322

    Con + LD +UKIP + DUP = 322

    The nightmare result.

    What chance a Lab - Con coalition, if only to get the boundary changes and Trident renewal through before going back to the People in the autumn..?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Sandpit said:

    surbiton said:

    In SPIN, Lab + SNP + SDLP + Green + PC = 322

    Con + LD +UKIP + DUP = 322

    The nightmare result.

    What chance a Lab - Con coalition, if only to get the boundary changes and Trident renewal through before going back to the People in the autumn..?
    Why would Lab want to pass the boundary changes?
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