Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

So far the voters do not see Badenoch as a Prime Minister in waiting – politicalbetting.com

123457

Comments

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,493
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Are there any remaining Kemi fans on PB, or is she now universally believed a dud ?

    Kemi's plan is to stay quiet for 2-3+ years before she rolls out lots of policy reviews. By that time people will have long made their minds up on her, and the Conservative Party, and they will land totally flat and be completely ignored.

    CCHQ wants to communicate that the "quietness" is down to the focus on this and internal Conservative party structures, whereas it's actually down to her passivity and lack of energy and drive.

    She doesn't seem to understand the party is like a cornered rat at the moment and needs to fight for its life.
    ...She - like far too many politicians in all parties - is too fond of repeating old mantras and thinking that what worked in the past will work again if they can only package it right. It won't. There needs to be a proper analysis of what is going wrong now and intelligent thought about the remedies for a different future. We are not in 1979 or 1997 and reheating what sort of worked then is lazy politics. This applies to Starmer too...

    A recognition that not a few of our problems result from the engrained beliefs of the Thatcher and Blair eras, and an analysis of what might be done to fix that, is largely lacking in contemporary politics.

    To give them a little credit, Labour's planning/housing policies are actually a tentative move in that direction, but there's no much else there.

    From my draft manuscript

    "There are some functions and duties which only the state can do fairly. Abandoning responsibility for these leads to abuse of power and harm to the vulnerable.........

    That exercise and the proper understanding of risks and the state’s obligations to its citizens - to protect them from the exercise of arbitrary unjustified power, to protect them from harm - is the essence of government. It is not one which can be sloughed off on others: either to save money or in the belief that unaccountable private bodies with other interests can or will do the job for them.

    Instead, this retreat has led to a state and many of its institutions which have - far too often - failed in many of the state’s basic functions and responsibilities, which have failed to get the basics right, basics which include criminal justice, policing, health, building safety, effective regulation of the financial sector and care for our children.

    It has led to a state which - far too often - has forgotten what public service is meant to be, which has treated those it is meant to serve with indifference, contempt and dismissiveness. It has led to a state which has created - or allowed to develop - a climate in which far too many companies and individuals have put their own personal financial, commercial or other interests first, have disregarded the rules and laws and standards of professionalism, integrity, honour and decency, even at the expense of others’ lives.

    It has led to a state which too often has itself used every possible avenue to avoid accepting any sort of responsibility or accountability for its actions and has made it acceptable for others (both companies and individuals) to do the same. It has led to a degradation of professional and personal conduct, a tolerance of lies and deception and serious damage to the trust we should have in our public institutions. It has led to a state which fails - until far too late - to admit error, let alone right its mistakes and compensate those it has harmed through its actions.
    "

    I am, I know, a broken record on this. But repairing this trust is - for me - the most important task of government. That is why Starmer's inept response over freebies, his broken promises to farmers, even the way they announced the correct decision on WASPI women is damaging. It erodes rather than rebuilds trust. He has time to recover. The Tories don't even seem to see the problem. Reform just moan. The Greens are batshit insane and the Lib Dems are the Waitrose equivalent of Reform - a politer version of "Isn't everything awful".

    Anyway need to do some work.
    Go to the bookshop and order "Late Soviet Britain" by Laura Innes. She details how the Thatcher/Blair reforms, whilst promising to create a hands-off version of Government, just ended up creating a regime of nomenklatura fixers and overseers that are a law unto themselves, creating a command-and-control structure very similar to, say, the Brezhnev era.

    Then when you are done (it is a very dense book), order "The Rise and Fall of the British Nation" in which David Edgerton details how things used to be done and its eventual evolution to how things are done now.

    It is often instructive to see how things developed to understand how we got here, and both books detail 20th century history to that end.
  • Two unconnected irrational numbers and an imaginary number come together to make minus one

    And the world then makes sense

    Transcendental no less...
  • MattW said:

    Just done family phone calls, briefly.

    Happy New Year, everyone.

    You can go to sleep now and wake up with a four-hour lead over everyone else.
  • MattW said:

    Just done family phone calls, briefly.

    Happy New Year, everyone.

    You can go to sleep now and wake up with a four-hour lead over everyone else.
    Talking of going to sleep, I'm just about to. My New Year gift to any spotters in the vicinity is:

    https://crewe.nub.news/news/local-news/scenes-of-crewe-50-years-ago-what-did-it-look-like-247404

    Seven minutes of Super-8 footage of Crewe station in 1974.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    .

    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    Roger said:

    On topic. Badenoch needs to do something unexpected. The Blair playbook is still the best. I remember early on him being asked what he thought about people making obscene amounts of money and he said he had no problem with David Beckham making a million.

    Chasing the farmers and rich pensioners isn't the way to go for a Tory. Just too predictable. The best advice I was given was to Zig whenever everyone else Zagged. At the moment she's in lockstep with farage

    The big missed opportunity in my opinion is that Badenoch's backstory is genuinely interesting. An immigrant who is one step away from being prime minister of a major country. Not the child of immigrants, but actual immigrant.

    Problem is immigration is seen as so toxic even to Badenoch herself it seems, they don't dare to admit any of this of this, or try weave it into an Abraham Lincoln style log cabin narrative.
    Spending your career demonising immigrants when you are one yourself could be problematic even for a Tory. I used to wonder how Braverman could talk about immigrants as if they were something she'd scraped off her shoe when there but for fortune they could be her parents or grandparents as it could be with many of us.
    "actual immigrant."

    Wasn't she born in London?
    Yeah but she's not white, to racists like him that means she'll always be an immigrant even if born in this country.
    Libel.
    Apologies to the owners of the site. In case of any concerns I have absolutely no intention of following up. @BartholomewRoberts needs to be a lot more careful what he writes however.
    I wasn't speaking about you, and what I said was true.
    So do you think the current laws are wrong and someone who is born in a British hospital should automatically be British, as they were before the 1981 British Nationality Act?
    I think that irrespective of that question, it’s plain stupid to call them an immigrant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544

    MattW said:

    Just done family phone calls, briefly.

    Happy New Year, everyone.

    You can go to sleep now and wake up with a four-hour lead over everyone else.
    Happy New Year everyone.
    I’m off to bed early.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,380
    theProle said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nigel Farage's New Year Message."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyAUSqqmZY

    Interesting choice to deliver it from Blenheim Palace.
    The Duke of Marlborough is a Reform Party supporter and friend of Farage's and Trump's
    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/winston-churchill-great-nephew-backs-reform-uk
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6610793/Trump-Duke-Marlboroughs-friendship-revealed.html
    What did you think of Farage's message?
    He's making a serious play for younger voters with all the wittering on about Churchill.
    Do younger voters know/care who Churchill was?
    Especially if they haven't 'done' WWII in history at school!
    They'll know who he was, almost certainly. Caring will depend on if a particular perception or Churchill becomes part of the intended tribal experience.

    Like how people who continue to bang on about Thatcher, on left and right, with the kind of passion as if they had been there at the time. You don't seen it quite as much now. (not that people cannot care about political history, but the intensity was so overblown for a long time).
    My Chemistry teacher mate told me that whenever he covered a history class, they were doing the second world war in one aspect or another, so the kids will know who Churchill is, although these days, following the rise of Indian nationalism, they may see Churchill as a war criminal for killing millions in the Bengal Famine. Churchill is also on the £5 note if anyone still uses cash.

    The Thatcher thing is slightly different. One reason for banging on about Mrs T is to point out to Conservatives that they have departed from her one true path even while professing to venerate her.

    It is a bit like banging on about Reagan to remind American Republicans that Trump's isolationism is far removed from Reagan's shining city upon a hill and defender of freedom and democracy throughout the world. (Although even under Reagan, it was more rhetoric than policy!)
    You're quite optimistic.

    Something being taught in school and kids actually knowing it are two completely different things!

    Everyone is taught Pythagoras Theorem, but I wonder how many actually know it?
    Can anyone who doesn't need it for work remember SOHCATOA. I remember the acronym (I think) and that it let me calculate angles but no idea how to apply it now.
    Don't want to bust your bubble, but SOHCATOA isn't Pythagoras, and is missing a character.

    Pythagoras is that for any right angled triangle, a² + b² = c² where a and b are the lengths of the short sides and c the long side (hypotenuse)

    SOHCA[b]H[/b]TOA is the functions of Sin Cos and Tan in the context of the sides a right angled triangle:
    Sin = Opposite/Hypotenuse
    Cos = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
    Tan = Opposite/Adjacent

    Is a rubbish way to learn it - far better the phrase "Tommy On A Ship Of His Caught All Herring"

    I use trig functions all the time, hand coding ancient Heidenhain TNC 150 series CNC controls on the machining centres at work.
    Yes I meant to add I remember pythagorus but not that one.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,308
    This is the first time in 14 years the New Year in Syria doesn’t begin with bombing, massacres and death by Assad, Iran and Russia.

    https://bsky.app/profile/razanspeaks.bsky.social/post/3lemypcacoc26
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,177

    theProle said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nigel Farage's New Year Message."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyAUSqqmZY

    Interesting choice to deliver it from Blenheim Palace.
    The Duke of Marlborough is a Reform Party supporter and friend of Farage's and Trump's
    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/winston-churchill-great-nephew-backs-reform-uk
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6610793/Trump-Duke-Marlboroughs-friendship-revealed.html
    What did you think of Farage's message?
    He's making a serious play for younger voters with all the wittering on about Churchill.
    Do younger voters know/care who Churchill was?
    Especially if they haven't 'done' WWII in history at school!
    They'll know who he was, almost certainly. Caring will depend on if a particular perception or Churchill becomes part of the intended tribal experience.

    Like how people who continue to bang on about Thatcher, on left and right, with the kind of passion as if they had been there at the time. You don't seen it quite as much now. (not that people cannot care about political history, but the intensity was so overblown for a long time).
    My Chemistry teacher mate told me that whenever he covered a history class, they were doing the second world war in one aspect or another, so the kids will know who Churchill is, although these days, following the rise of Indian nationalism, they may see Churchill as a war criminal for killing millions in the Bengal Famine. Churchill is also on the £5 note if anyone still uses cash.

    The Thatcher thing is slightly different. One reason for banging on about Mrs T is to point out to Conservatives that they have departed from her one true path even while professing to venerate her.

    It is a bit like banging on about Reagan to remind American Republicans that Trump's isolationism is far removed from Reagan's shining city upon a hill and defender of freedom and democracy throughout the world. (Although even under Reagan, it was more rhetoric than policy!)
    You're quite optimistic.

    Something being taught in school and kids actually knowing it are two completely different things!

    Everyone is taught Pythagoras Theorem, but I wonder how many actually know it?
    Can anyone who doesn't need it for work remember SOHCATOA. I remember the acronym (I think) and that it let me calculate angles but no idea how to apply it now.
    Don't want to bust your bubble, but SOHCATOA isn't Pythagoras, and is missing a character.

    Pythagoras is that for any right angled triangle, a² + b² = c² where a and b are the lengths of the short sides and c the long side (hypotenuse)

    SOHCA[b]H[/b]TOA is the functions of Sin Cos and Tan in the context of the sides a right angled triangle:
    Sin = Opposite/Hypotenuse
    Cos = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
    Tan = Opposite/Adjacent

    Is a rubbish way to learn it - far better the phrase "Tommy On A Ship Of His Caught All Herring"

    I use trig functions all the time, hand coding ancient Heidenhain TNC 150 series CNC controls on the machining centres at work.
    The old Arab sat on his camal and howled (from a 1980’s grammar education).
    The one I picked up was "the cat sat on an orange and had hysterics", which is a bit weird because it stripes across the three equations rather than doing them in order.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,525
    FF43 said:

    This is the first time in 14 years the New Year in Syria doesn’t begin with bombing, massacres and death by Assad, Iran and Russia.

    https://bsky.app/profile/razanspeaks.bsky.social/post/3lemypcacoc26

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1874016031137816787

    The French Minister of Armed Forces, Sébastien Lecornu has announced that the French Air Force carried out several Airstrikes on Sunday against ISIS Targets within Syria, in support of Operation Inherent Resolve; with him releasing Footage showing a number of the Strikes.
  • theProle said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nigel Farage's New Year Message."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyAUSqqmZY

    Interesting choice to deliver it from Blenheim Palace.
    The Duke of Marlborough is a Reform Party supporter and friend of Farage's and Trump's
    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/winston-churchill-great-nephew-backs-reform-uk
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6610793/Trump-Duke-Marlboroughs-friendship-revealed.html
    What did you think of Farage's message?
    He's making a serious play for younger voters with all the wittering on about Churchill.
    Do younger voters know/care who Churchill was?
    Especially if they haven't 'done' WWII in history at school!
    They'll know who he was, almost certainly. Caring will depend on if a particular perception or Churchill becomes part of the intended tribal experience.

    Like how people who continue to bang on about Thatcher, on left and right, with the kind of passion as if they had been there at the time. You don't seen it quite as much now. (not that people cannot care about political history, but the intensity was so overblown for a long time).
    My Chemistry teacher mate told me that whenever he covered a history class, they were doing the second world war in one aspect or another, so the kids will know who Churchill is, although these days, following the rise of Indian nationalism, they may see Churchill as a war criminal for killing millions in the Bengal Famine. Churchill is also on the £5 note if anyone still uses cash.

    The Thatcher thing is slightly different. One reason for banging on about Mrs T is to point out to Conservatives that they have departed from her one true path even while professing to venerate her.

    It is a bit like banging on about Reagan to remind American Republicans that Trump's isolationism is far removed from Reagan's shining city upon a hill and defender of freedom and democracy throughout the world. (Although even under Reagan, it was more rhetoric than policy!)
    You're quite optimistic.

    Something being taught in school and kids actually knowing it are two completely different things!

    Everyone is taught Pythagoras Theorem, but I wonder how many actually know it?
    Can anyone who doesn't need it for work remember SOHCATOA. I remember the acronym (I think) and that it let me calculate angles but no idea how to apply it now.
    Don't want to bust your bubble, but SOHCATOA isn't Pythagoras, and is missing a character.

    Pythagoras is that for any right angled triangle, a² + b² = c² where a and b are the lengths of the short sides and c the long side (hypotenuse)

    SOHCA[b]H[/b]TOA is the functions of Sin Cos and Tan in the context of the sides a right angled triangle:
    Sin = Opposite/Hypotenuse
    Cos = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
    Tan = Opposite/Adjacent

    Is a rubbish way to learn it - far better the phrase "Tommy On A Ship Of His Caught All Herring"

    I use trig functions all the time, hand coding ancient Heidenhain TNC 150 series CNC controls on the machining centres at work.
    Good summary.

    SOHCAHTOA has always worked for me, and I've remembered it my whole life.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,493

    mwadams said:

    The turning of the year should be a time for quiet contemplation and reflection, taking stock of our lives, and what we think they might have in store.

    But people would rather just get shit faced.

    Well, speaking for myself, I have done the contemplation and reflection stuff, especially since I have no desire to get blind drunk.

    So I have decided to halt my PB interaction at 8192 posts as it is a nice round number.
    For various reasons my work in a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) involves lots of multiples of 2, so I applaud the choice of 8192 - doubling up from 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096). But please stay.
    Definitely stay! At least until 16,384 which is my favourite.
    I have been on PB for well over 10 years and possibly 15 years, certainly back in the day when Plato and myself used to discuss shoes, cooking and, occasionally, cats!

    It is time to move on and I do not want to face another 8192 posts and the last day of the year seems like an appropriate time.

    Thank you to you all (even CR :smiley: ) and a Happy New Year to everyone.
    Don't set a definite departure time as it inevitably gets broken. Instead, comment less or only when you feel you must. That's a lot more healthier and I think the site will be less for your absence
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,040
    edited December 2024
    Where I work, everyone who does loads of overtime, and we all work Sundays too, is in their 40s

    Are we a hard working generation, or is my.office an anomaly?
  • Pro_Rata said:

    The songs I've loved this year, with no particular order or claims of artistic merit, including the albums where I've loved them too:

    Kid Kapichi - Get Down; Oliver Twist (both from There Goes The Neighbourhood)
    The Reytons - Seven in Search of Ten, 2006 (from Ballad of a Bystander)
    Hozier - Too Sweet
    Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue
    Jade - Angel of my Dreams
    Vampire Weekend - Capricorn, Hope (from my album of the year, Only God Was Above Us)
    Beabadobee - Beaches
    Hank - DYLM (my song of the year, from Twist Grip EP)
    MJ Lenderman - On My Knees (from Manning Fireworks)

    I think the most recent songs which breached my consciousness were Despacito and New Rules.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,838
    edited December 2024
    Yougov poll in the Times tomorrow says the conservatives lead Labour on the economy

    How did that happen ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/new-years-days-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,974
    edited December 2024

    Yougov poll in the Times tomorrow says the conservatives lead Labour on the economy

    How did that happen ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/new-years-days-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754

    Probably just vibes. Public expectations for Labour were too high. Public awareness of Kemi's economic policies, if she has any, will be essentially nil.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,127

    FF43 said:

    This is the first time in 14 years the New Year in Syria doesn’t begin with bombing, massacres and death by Assad, Iran and Russia.

    https://bsky.app/profile/razanspeaks.bsky.social/post/3lemypcacoc26

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1874016031137816787

    The French Minister of Armed Forces, Sébastien Lecornu has announced that the French Air Force carried out several Airstrikes on Sunday against ISIS Targets within Syria, in support of Operation Inherent Resolve; with him releasing Footage showing a number of the Strikes.
    Apart from that though. All good news for 2025?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,737

    Where I work, everyone who does loads of overtime, and we all work Sundays too, is in their 40s

    Are we a hard working generation, or is my.office an anomaly?

    I bet you're cisgender too.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,127

    Pro_Rata said:

    The songs I've loved this year, with no particular order or claims of artistic merit, including the albums where I've loved them too:

    Kid Kapichi - Get Down; Oliver Twist (both from There Goes The Neighbourhood)
    The Reytons - Seven in Search of Ten, 2006 (from Ballad of a Bystander)
    Hozier - Too Sweet
    Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue
    Jade - Angel of my Dreams
    Vampire Weekend - Capricorn, Hope (from my album of the year, Only God Was Above Us)
    Beabadobee - Beaches
    Hank - DYLM (my song of the year, from Twist Grip EP)
    MJ Lenderman - On My Knees (from Manning Fireworks)

    I think the most recent songs which breached my consciousness were Despacito and New Rules.
    I'm just toddling off to bed, but the track that came to me tonight was...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VapVbH9uByA

    DM Stith - "Braid of Voices" (Meditation)

    (there are quite a few other mixes of it - but this one is quite pretty).

    And with that, cat and I are off to bed before falling asleep on the sofa. Have a good 2025 everyone!



  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,517
    rcs1000 said:

    Where I work, everyone who does loads of overtime, and we all work Sundays too, is in their 40s

    Are we a hard working generation, or is my.office an anomaly?

    I bet you're cisgender too.
    It depends.

    I think that the shit jobs, where it's run by David Brent, the work itself is pointless etc. - the young are simply not buying into the bullshit. Good for them.

    In the bank I work for, the grads come in. They do a few months in a series of rotations across the teams, to see what they actually want to do. Then after about 6 rotations, they get to pick/be picked for a permanent slot. Add decent pay, reasonable conditions and management that doesn't treat you like disposable tissue - strangely, they work hard and well, for the most part.

    There's a lesson in there. I wonder what that is?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,517

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nigel Farage's New Year Message."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyAUSqqmZY

    Interesting choice to deliver it from Blenheim Palace.
    The Duke of Marlborough is a Reform Party supporter and friend of Farage's and Trump's
    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/winston-churchill-great-nephew-backs-reform-uk
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6610793/Trump-Duke-Marlboroughs-friendship-revealed.html
    What did you think of Farage's message?
    He's making a serious play for younger voters with all the wittering on about Churchill.
    Do younger voters know/care who Churchill was?
    Especially if they haven't 'done' WWII in history at school!
    They'll know who he was, almost certainly. Caring will depend on if a particular perception or Churchill becomes part of the intended tribal experience.

    Like how people who continue to bang on about Thatcher, on left and right, with the kind of passion as if they had been there at the time. You don't seen it quite as much now. (not that people cannot care about political history, but the intensity was so overblown for a long time).
    My Chemistry teacher mate told me that whenever he covered a history class, they were doing the second world war in one aspect or another, so the kids will know who Churchill is, although these days, following the rise of Indian nationalism, they may see Churchill as a war criminal for killing millions in the Bengal Famine. Churchill is also on the £5 note if anyone still uses cash.

    The Thatcher thing is slightly different. One reason for banging on about Mrs T is to point out to Conservatives that they have departed from her one true path even while professing to venerate her.

    It is a bit like banging on about Reagan to remind American Republicans that Trump's isolationism is far removed from Reagan's shining city upon a hill and defender of freedom and democracy throughout the world. (Although even under Reagan, it was more rhetoric than policy!)
    You're quite optimistic.

    Something being taught in school and kids actually knowing it are two completely different things!

    Everyone is taught Pythagoras Theorem, but I wonder how many actually know it?
    Can anyone who doesn't need it for work remember SOHCATOA. I remember the acronym (I think) and that it let me calculate angles but no idea how to apply it now.
    SOHCAHTOA

    You missed an H

    With Pythagoras

    Sin² + Cos² = 1

    Who doesn't use that every day?
    I have only used Pythagoras' theorem once in anger.
    A work colleague was planning to install a shower cubicle in his downstairs WC and needed to check that the door, which swung inwards from the opposite corner, wouldn't hit the cubicle.
    I am currently using Bayes theorem to find my son's tablet. With no success. He was using it too much and had cracked the password on the parental controls. So we hid it and forgot where. I have promised him a new one if we don't find it by the end if the year. The situation is getting critical.
    So betting with bottles of whisky on the location?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,517
    a
    rcs1000 said:

    Where I work, everyone who does loads of overtime, and we all work Sundays too, is in their 40s

    Are we a hard working generation, or is my.office an anomaly?

    I bet you're cisgender too.
    Pulls themselves up by their bootstraps every morning. Great exercise.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,402

    mwadams said:

    The turning of the year should be a time for quiet contemplation and reflection, taking stock of our lives, and what we think they might have in store.

    But people would rather just get shit faced.

    Well, speaking for myself, I have done the contemplation and reflection stuff, especially since I have no desire to get blind drunk.

    So I have decided to halt my PB interaction at 8192 posts as it is a nice round number.
    For various reasons my work in a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) involves lots of multiples of 2, so I applaud the choice of 8192 - doubling up from 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096). But please stay.
    Definitely stay! At least until 16,384 which is my favourite.
    I have been on PB for well over 10 years and possibly 15 years, certainly back in the day when Plato and myself used to discuss shoes, cooking and, occasionally, cats!

    It is time to move on and I do not want to face another 8192 posts and the last day of the year seems like an appropriate time.

    Thank you to you all (even CR :smiley: ) and a Happy New Year to everyone.
    See you around, Bev. HNY :D

  • theProle said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nigel Farage's New Year Message."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyAUSqqmZY

    Interesting choice to deliver it from Blenheim Palace.
    The Duke of Marlborough is a Reform Party supporter and friend of Farage's and Trump's
    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/winston-churchill-great-nephew-backs-reform-uk
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6610793/Trump-Duke-Marlboroughs-friendship-revealed.html
    What did you think of Farage's message?
    He's making a serious play for younger voters with all the wittering on about Churchill.
    Do younger voters know/care who Churchill was?
    Especially if they haven't 'done' WWII in history at school!
    They'll know who he was, almost certainly. Caring will depend on if a particular perception or Churchill becomes part of the intended tribal experience.

    Like how people who continue to bang on about Thatcher, on left and right, with the kind of passion as if they had been there at the time. You don't seen it quite as much now. (not that people cannot care about political history, but the intensity was so overblown for a long time).
    My Chemistry teacher mate told me that whenever he covered a history class, they were doing the second world war in one aspect or another, so the kids will know who Churchill is, although these days, following the rise of Indian nationalism, they may see Churchill as a war criminal for killing millions in the Bengal Famine. Churchill is also on the £5 note if anyone still uses cash.

    The Thatcher thing is slightly different. One reason for banging on about Mrs T is to point out to Conservatives that they have departed from her one true path even while professing to venerate her.

    It is a bit like banging on about Reagan to remind American Republicans that Trump's isolationism is far removed from Reagan's shining city upon a hill and defender of freedom and democracy throughout the world. (Although even under Reagan, it was more rhetoric than policy!)
    You're quite optimistic.

    Something being taught in school and kids actually knowing it are two completely different things!

    Everyone is taught Pythagoras Theorem, but I wonder how many actually know it?
    Can anyone who doesn't need it for work remember SOHCATOA. I remember the acronym (I think) and that it let me calculate angles but no idea how to apply it now.
    Don't want to bust your bubble, but SOHCATOA isn't Pythagoras, and is missing a character.

    Pythagoras is that for any right angled triangle, a² + b² = c² where a and b are the lengths of the short sides and c the long side (hypotenuse)

    SOHCA[b]H[/b]TOA is the functions of Sin Cos and Tan in the context of the sides a right angled triangle:
    Sin = Opposite/Hypotenuse
    Cos = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
    Tan = Opposite/Adjacent

    Is a rubbish way to learn it - far better the phrase "Tommy On A Ship Of His Caught All Herring"

    I use trig functions all the time, hand coding ancient Heidenhain TNC 150 series CNC controls on the machining centres at work.
    Good summary.

    SOHCAHTOA has always worked for me, and I've remembered it my whole life.
    Also:
    BODMAS ( Brackets, Of, Divide, Multiply, Add, Subtract) to get the order of applying operators
    I Wish I Knew - the root of 2 (1.414)
    O Procure For Me - the root of 3 (1.732)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319

    mwadams said:

    The turning of the year should be a time for quiet contemplation and reflection, taking stock of our lives, and what we think they might have in store.

    But people would rather just get shit faced.

    Well, speaking for myself, I have done the contemplation and reflection stuff, especially since I have no desire to get blind drunk.

    So I have decided to halt my PB interaction at 8192 posts as it is a nice round number.
    For various reasons my work in a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) involves lots of multiples of 2, so I applaud the choice of 8192 - doubling up from 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096). But please stay.
    Definitely stay! At least until 16,384 which is my favourite.
    I have been on PB for well over 10 years and possibly 15 years, certainly back in the day when Plato and myself used to discuss shoes, cooking and, occasionally, cats!

    It is time to move on and I do not want to face another 8192 posts and the last day of the year seems like an appropriate time.

    Thank you to you all (even CR :smiley: ) and a Happy New Year to everyone.
    Goodbye Bev, it's been great these years, but time to move on I suppose.

  • Yougov poll in the Times tomorrow says the conservatives lead Labour on the economy

    How did that happen ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/new-years-days-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754

    Because Labour screwed it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083

    Yougov poll in the Times tomorrow says the conservatives lead Labour on the economy

    How did that happen ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/new-years-days-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754

    Because Labour screwed it.
    ...the golden legacy.
  • I've just read that Sunak did try and scrap the triple-lock, in a budget conversation in June 2021, so the elderly shared in the sacrifices their children and grandchildren made in the pandemic, but he was overruled by Johnson.

    He's gone up in my estimation.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083
    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,517

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Dirty old town…
  • MERRY NEW YEAR!

    image
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
  • God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Why are you watching Jools?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083
    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    I remember fancying her mum on Blue Peter!
  • Happy New Year everyone!!!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,270

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    I’ve just come off TF1 coverage (fireworks and le hip hop at chateau de Chantilly) to the beeb, with Sophie Ellis Bexter.

    I was hoping the clear superiority of the French feux d’artifice and generally much better looks of that nation’s people would be compensated for by a less cheesy, more edgy British production. But sadly not. It’s actually more cheesy and poorer quality than the silver-fox and bobbed brunette lineup of our Gallic friends, which is saying something.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,870
    Positively 4th Steet by Shatner. I don't know what to say.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,108
    Happy 45 squared, PBers!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,270
    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    She didn’t even sing her one hit. Poor.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,838
    Happy New Year to everyone
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,525
    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    They pre-record it earlier and earlier.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    She didn’t even sing her one hit. Poor.
    I know I know I know I know..
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,108
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    She didn’t even sing her one hit. Poor.
    Possibly first song after the fireworks, that's the usual format IIRC.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083

    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    They pre-record it earlier and earlier.
    Are the fireworks pre recorded too?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    She didn’t even sing her one hit. Poor.
    She continues after the fireworks.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,270
    TimS said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    I’ve just come off TF1 coverage (fireworks and le hip hop at chateau de Chantilly) to the beeb, with Sophie Ellis Bexter.

    I was hoping the clear superiority of the French feux d’artifice and generally much better looks of that nation’s people would be compensated for by a less cheesy, more edgy British production. But sadly not. It’s actually more cheesy and poorer quality than the silver-fox and bobbed brunette lineup of our Gallic friends, which is saying something.
    To be fair the London fireworks now are decent.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Why are you watching Jools?
    Sophie was getting on my nerves a bit but then Bob came on BBC2 and I'm back with Janet Ellis's daughter. She's put on a good fireworks show.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,965

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Why are you watching Jools?
    Sophie was getting on my nerves a bit but then Bob came on BBC2 and I'm back with Janet Ellis's daughter. She's put on a good fireworks show.
    I think she's good but her strutting around the stage amuses me.

    She also talks exactly how she sounds when she sings, which isn't always the case.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,990
    Happy new year everyone.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,974
    Can I get an exemption from Dry January until 2am? Still drinking...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083
    kinabalu said:

    Positively 4th Steet by Shatner. I don't know what to say.

    Uncanny. I'm watching Star Trek with Bob Dylan as Captain Kirk.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    carnforth said:

    Can I get an exemption from Dry January until 2am? Still drinking...

    Granted!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,870
    HNY all. I've got a good feeling about 25.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,974
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Can I get an exemption from Dry January until 2am? Still drinking...

    Granted!
    God bless our NHS.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083
    kinabalu said:

    HNY all. I've got a good feeling about 25.

    You missed the US Presidential Election result then.
  • Happy New Year!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,012
    edited January 1

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Why are you watching Jools?
    I enjoy watching the show, even if I don't particularly like the music.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    Sandpit said:

    So I did 9700 steps per day in 2023, but only 5800 in 2024.

    Damn you that new job with an hour’s commute either way.

    I need a target for 2024, perhaps.

    I think a couple of times a week, with a 6 mile cycle there and back might be a start. Plus some more public footpath surveying on foot ot the Brompton.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083
    Andy_JS said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Why are you watching Jools?
    I enjoy watching the show, even if I don't particularly like the music.
    Jools is great and so is Ruby Turner. The Rats, not so much. They haven't aged well.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,108
    Driver said:

    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    She didn’t even sing her one hit. Poor.
    Possibly first song after the fireworks, that's the usual format IIRC.
    And there it is.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,365
    edited January 1
    Happy New Year all.

    And good luck Beibheirli. Always welcome to pop your head back round for an occasion or a pointless argument.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    God! Boomtown Rats on Jools. Utterly dreadful!

    HNY!

    Sophie Ellis-Bextor looking good on BBC1.

    I wish I aged so well
    She didn’t even sing her one hit. Poor.
    She just did!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,012
    It only feels like about 10 years since the year 2000 to me. Time seems to speed up.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,083
    edited January 1
    Andy_JS said:

    It only feels like about 10 years since the year 2000 to me. Time seems to speed up.

    You have subconsciously cast 14 years of Tory Governments out of your mind. Who can blame you?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,402
    Happy New Year, PB.

    All the best for 2025 🙏
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,402
    edited January 1
    malcolmg said:

    Happy New Year , I am toasting everyone with a nice 50 year old Glen Grant.

    Wish I was there ❤

    HNY, Malc.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,517
    Pro_Rata said:

    Happy New Year all.

    And good luck Beibheirli. Always welcome to pop your head back round for an occasion or a pointless argument.

    It’s one pound for a five minute argument, but it’ll eight pounds for a course of ten.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,974

    Andy_JS said:

    It only feels like about 10 years since the year 2000 to me. Time seems to speed up.

    You have subconsciously cast 14 years of Tory Governments out of your mind. Who can blame you?
    Well, it was rather a rollercoaster after the first five years...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,502
    Happy New Year everyone!
    What madness will 2025 bring?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,082
    malcolmg said:

    Happy New Year , I am toasting everyone with a nice 50 year old Glen Grant.

    Happy New Year, Malcolm, and Happy New Year to your young friend Glen, as well.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,012
    edited January 1
    Elections this year in Australia, Canada, Germany, Norway.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,502
    Happy New Year to my friends and family.
    Isn't the implication that everyone else can f off?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,151
    edited January 1

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Nigel Farage's New Year Message."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyAUSqqmZY

    Interesting choice to deliver it from Blenheim Palace.
    The Duke of Marlborough is a Reform Party supporter and friend of Farage's and Trump's
    https://www.gbnews.com/politics/winston-churchill-great-nephew-backs-reform-uk
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6610793/Trump-Duke-Marlboroughs-friendship-revealed.html
    What did you think of Farage's message?
    He's making a serious play for younger voters with all the wittering on about Churchill.
    Do younger voters know/care who Churchill was?
    Especially if they haven't 'done' WWII in history at school!
    They'll know who he was, almost certainly. Caring will depend on if a particular perception or Churchill becomes part of the intended tribal experience.

    Like how people who continue to bang on about Thatcher, on left and right, with the kind of passion as if they had been there at the time. You don't seen it quite as much now. (not that people cannot care about political history, but the intensity was so overblown for a long time).
    My Chemistry teacher mate told me that whenever he covered a history class, they were doing the second world war in one aspect or another, so the kids will know who Churchill is, although these days, following the rise of Indian nationalism, they may see Churchill as a war criminal for killing millions in the Bengal Famine. Churchill is also on the £5 note if anyone still uses cash.

    The Thatcher thing is slightly different. One reason for banging on about Mrs T is to point out to Conservatives that they have departed from her one true path even while professing to venerate her.

    It is a bit like banging on about Reagan to remind American Republicans that Trump's isolationism is far removed from Reagan's shining city upon a hill and defender of freedom and democracy throughout the world. (Although even under Reagan, it was more rhetoric than policy!)
    You're quite optimistic.

    Something being taught in school and kids actually knowing it are two completely different things!

    Everyone is taught Pythagoras Theorem, but I wonder how many actually know it?
    Can anyone who doesn't need it for work remember SOHCATOA. I remember the acronym (I think) and that it let me calculate angles but no idea how to apply it now.
    SOHCAHTOA

    You missed an H

    With Pythagoras

    Sin² + Cos² = 1

    Who doesn't use that every day?
    I have only used Pythagoras' theorem once in anger.
    A work colleague was planning to install a shower cubicle in his downstairs WC and needed to check that the door, which swung inwards from the opposite corner, wouldn't hit the cubicle.
    I am currently using Bayes theorem to find my son's tablet. With no success. He was using it too much and had cracked the password on the parental controls. So we hid it and forgot where. I have promised him a new one if we don't find it by the end if the year. The situation is getting critical.
    A tag - Air or otherwise - would have been cheaper.

    I say that he knew where you hid it, and has hidden it from you, and that you will find it where you thought you hid it in a few days - after his new one arrives.

    And that youngsters are better at poker faces than you think.

    The probability of you finding it, given that the probability that he has rehidden it is One, is Zero.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,019
    Andy_JS said:

    Elections this year in Australia, Canada, Germany, Norway.

    On the current polls you’d expect defeats for the incumbents in Germany and Canada. In Norway, the Progress Party, their equivalent of Reform, is ahead of the Conservatives and well up on the last election. The governing coalition parties have lost about half their vote.

    In Australia, the opposition Liberal-National coalition has a healthy lead over Labor but with the Greens and Independents still polling well, the two-party split of 51-49 in favour of Liberal-National suggests this will be close.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,631
    Elon Musk ‘living in cottage on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate’
    World’s richest man whose money helped secure election victory ‘drops in at dinners and listens into calls with US president-elect’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/12/31/elon-musk-cottage-donald-trump-mar-a-lago-estate/ (£££)

    Spare a thought for the homeless.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,493
    happy new year one and all!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,493
    edited January 1
    Robert Saunders ‪@robertsaunders.bsky.social‬ December 29, 2024 at 10:33 AM

    I've also been thinking about this. Life is hard for many people, but we are nowhere near the conditions of the 1930s or even the '70s. For all their faults, democratic states provide services today beyond the imagination of most generations. So we need a deeper analysis of democratic discontent.

    My answer to Robert is simple: we now have the internet. Before the internet we all lived in a consensual hallucination in which we thought that we were on the same side and the Government was doing its best for us. After the internet we know that isn't true. Hence the discontent.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,207
    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Are there any remaining Kemi fans on PB, or is she now universally believed a dud ?

    Kemi's plan is to stay quiet for 2-3+ years before she rolls out lots of policy reviews. By that time people will have long made their minds up on her, and the Conservative Party, and they will land totally flat and be completely ignored.

    CCHQ wants to communicate that the "quietness" is down to the focus on this and internal Conservative party structures, whereas it's actually down to her passivity and lack of energy and drive.

    She doesn't seem to understand the party is like a cornered rat at the moment and needs to fight for its life.
    ...She - like far too many politicians in all parties - is too fond of repeating old mantras and thinking that what worked in the past will work again if they can only package it right. It won't. There needs to be a proper analysis of what is going wrong now and intelligent thought about the remedies for a different future. We are not in 1979 or 1997 and reheating what sort of worked then is lazy politics. This applies to Starmer too...

    A recognition that not a few of our problems result from the engrained beliefs of the Thatcher and Blair eras, and an analysis of what might be done to fix that, is largely lacking in contemporary politics.

    To give them a little credit, Labour's planning/housing policies are actually a tentative move in that direction, but there's no much else there.

    From my draft manuscript

    "There are some functions and duties which only the state can do fairly. Abandoning responsibility for these leads to abuse of power and harm to the vulnerable.........

    That exercise and the proper understanding of risks and the state’s obligations to its citizens - to protect them from the exercise of arbitrary unjustified power, to protect them from harm - is the essence of government. It is not one which can be sloughed off on others: either to save money or in the belief that unaccountable private bodies with other interests can or will do the job for them.

    Instead, this retreat has led to a state and many of its institutions which have - far too often - failed in many of the state’s basic functions and responsibilities, which have failed to get the basics right, basics which include criminal justice, policing, health, building safety, effective regulation of the financial sector and care for our children.

    It has led to a state which - far too often - has forgotten what public service is meant to be, which has treated those it is meant to serve with indifference, contempt and dismissiveness. It has led to a state which has created - or allowed to develop - a climate in which far too many companies and individuals have put their own personal financial, commercial or other interests first, have disregarded the rules and laws and standards of professionalism, integrity, honour and decency, even at the expense of others’ lives.

    It has led to a state which too often has itself used every possible avenue to avoid accepting any sort of responsibility or accountability for its actions and has made it acceptable for others (both companies and individuals) to do the same. It has led to a degradation of professional and personal conduct, a tolerance of lies and deception and serious damage to the trust we should have in our public institutions. It has led to a state which fails - until far too late - to admit error, let alone right its mistakes and compensate those it has harmed through its actions.
    "

    I am, I know, a broken record on this. But repairing this trust is - for me - the most important task of government. That is why Starmer's inept response over freebies, his broken promises to farmers, even the way they announced the correct decision on WASPI women is damaging. It erodes rather than rebuilds trust. He has time to recover. The Tories don't even seem to see the problem. Reform just moan. The Greens are batshit insane and the Lib Dems are the Waitrose equivalent of Reform - a politer version of "Isn't everything awful".

    Anyway need to do some work.
    Go to the bookshop and order "Late Soviet Britain" by Laura Innes. She details how the Thatcher/Blair reforms, whilst promising to create a hands-off version of Government, just ended up creating a regime of nomenklatura fixers and overseers that are a law unto themselves, creating a command-and-control structure very similar to, say, the Brezhnev era.

    Then when you are done (it is a very dense book), order "The Rise and Fall of the British Nation" in which David Edgerton details how things used to be done and its eventual evolution to how things are done now.

    It is often instructive to see how things developed to understand how we got here, and both books detail 20th century history to that end.
    I’d normally be up for that, but the handful of reviews seem to suggest people who enjoy the conclusion rather more than the book itself.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,207
    edited January 1
    Andy_JS said:

    It only feels like about 10 years since the year 2000 to me. Time seems to speed up.

    I know, it’s scary. I completed a big work project that year, and it still doesn’t seem that long ago.

    That the length of time between now and my student days is the same as the length of time between my student days and the outbreak of WWII simply doesn’t compute. History all seems a lot more recent when you are older.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,493
    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Are there any remaining Kemi fans on PB, or is she now universally believed a dud ?

    Kemi's plan is to stay quiet for 2-3+ years before she rolls out lots of policy reviews. By that time people will have long made their minds up on her, and the Conservative Party, and they will land totally flat and be completely ignored.

    CCHQ wants to communicate that the "quietness" is down to the focus on this and internal Conservative party structures, whereas it's actually down to her passivity and lack of energy and drive.

    She doesn't seem to understand the party is like a cornered rat at the moment and needs to fight for its life.
    ...She - like far too many politicians in all parties - is too fond of repeating old mantras and thinking that what worked in the past will work again if they can only package it right. It won't. There needs to be a proper analysis of what is going wrong now and intelligent thought about the remedies for a different future. We are not in 1979 or 1997 and reheating what sort of worked then is lazy politics. This applies to Starmer too...

    A recognition that not a few of our problems result from the engrained beliefs of the Thatcher and Blair eras, and an analysis of what might be done to fix that, is largely lacking in contemporary politics.

    To give them a little credit, Labour's planning/housing policies are actually a tentative move in that direction, but there's no much else there.

    From my draft manuscript

    "There are some functions and duties which only the state can do fairly. Abandoning responsibility for these leads to abuse of power and harm to the vulnerable.........

    That exercise and the proper understanding of risks and the state’s obligations to its citizens - to protect them from the exercise of arbitrary unjustified power, to protect them from harm - is the essence of government. It is not one which can be sloughed off on others: either to save money or in the belief that unaccountable private bodies with other interests can or will do the job for them.

    Instead, this retreat has led to a state and many of its institutions which have - far too often - failed in many of the state’s basic functions and responsibilities, which have failed to get the basics right, basics which include criminal justice, policing, health, building safety, effective regulation of the financial sector and care for our children.

    It has led to a state which - far too often - has forgotten what public service is meant to be, which has treated those it is meant to serve with indifference, contempt and dismissiveness. It has led to a state which has created - or allowed to develop - a climate in which far too many companies and individuals have put their own personal financial, commercial or other interests first, have disregarded the rules and laws and standards of professionalism, integrity, honour and decency, even at the expense of others’ lives.

    It has led to a state which too often has itself used every possible avenue to avoid accepting any sort of responsibility or accountability for its actions and has made it acceptable for others (both companies and individuals) to do the same. It has led to a degradation of professional and personal conduct, a tolerance of lies and deception and serious damage to the trust we should have in our public institutions. It has led to a state which fails - until far too late - to admit error, let alone right its mistakes and compensate those it has harmed through its actions.
    "

    I am, I know, a broken record on this. But repairing this trust is - for me - the most important task of government. That is why Starmer's inept response over freebies, his broken promises to farmers, even the way they announced the correct decision on WASPI women is damaging. It erodes rather than rebuilds trust. He has time to recover. The Tories don't even seem to see the problem. Reform just moan. The Greens are batshit insane and the Lib Dems are the Waitrose equivalent of Reform - a politer version of "Isn't everything awful".

    Anyway need to do some work.
    Go to the bookshop and order "Late Soviet Britain" by Laura Innes. She details how the Thatcher/Blair reforms, whilst promising to create a hands-off version of Government, just ended up creating a regime of nomenklatura fixers and overseers that are a law unto themselves, creating a command-and-control structure very similar to, say, the Brezhnev era.

    Then when you are done (it is a very dense book), order "The Rise and Fall of the British Nation" in which David Edgerton details how things used to be done and its eventual evolution to how things are done now.

    It is often instructive to see how things developed to understand how we got here, and both books detail 20th century history to that end.
    I’d normally be up for that, but the handful of reviews seem to suggest people who enjoy the conclusion rather more than the book itself.
    Assuming you mean the Innes book, yes, it is dense and a hard read: you have to take notes. I'm about two-thirds of the way thru in my first read, and I'll have to re-read it a couple of times more to get it.

    But if you mean the Edgerton book, he's far more approachable.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,493
    Abby Innes, not Laura Innes. :(
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,710
    Happy New Year, everyone!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,489

    Happy New Year, everyone!

    And the same to everyone from the PtP household.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,544
    Happy New Year to all.

    Damascus celebrations:
    https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/1874244252924076042

    Still not your average Islamic state.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,005
    Good morning, everyone.

    My research has revealed it is raining outside.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,098

    Good morning, everyone.

    My research has revealed it is raining outside.

    The dog has confirmed it is both wet and windy outside. Hasty retreat beaten; now rather more gruntled, sleeping against my legs on the bed.

    Having spent as near a silent half hour cleaning up phase 1 of the party debris as I could, I am rewarding myself with a New Year Lie-in.

    I suspect the Good Lady will have some innate ability to stay abed until I have finished phases 2 and 3 of the clean up.

    Phase 4 will require a tip run.

    Night-night (again)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,005

    Good morning, everyone.

    My research has revealed it is raining outside.

    The dog has confirmed it is both wet and windy outside. Hasty retreat beaten; now rather more gruntled, sleeping against my legs on the bed.

    Having spent as near a silent half hour cleaning up phase 1 of the party debris as I could, I am rewarding myself with a New Year Lie-in.

    I suspect the Good Lady will have some innate ability to stay abed until I have finished phases 2 and 3 of the clean up.

    Phase 4 will require a tip run.

    Night-night (again)
    Hope you can get to sleep. Heavy rain plus occasional fireworks meant I was waking up numerous times.

    There'll be plenty of local flooding, I think.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,801
    Good morning! And a Happy New Year to all!
    Didn’t See the New Year in; after an early start yesterday we both crashed out about 10.30pm!
    Let us hope for better times in 2025!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,710
    ISTR that one Labour fan on here proclaimed "an end to the rail strikes" a few months ago, as a sign of how good this new government was.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgzpwdkl01o
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995

    Good morning, everyone.

    My research has revealed it is raining outside.

    The dog has confirmed it is both wet and windy outside. Hasty retreat beaten; now rather more gruntled, sleeping against my legs on the bed.

    Having spent as near a silent half hour cleaning up phase 1 of the party debris as I could, I am rewarding myself with a New Year Lie-in.

    I suspect the Good Lady will have some innate ability to stay abed until I have finished phases 2 and 3 of the clean up.

    Phase 4 will require a tip run.

    Night-night (again)
    Hope you can get to sleep. Heavy rain plus occasional fireworks meant I was waking up numerous times.

    There'll be plenty of local flooding, I think.
    Oddly, I was just thinking how the heavy rain meant at least there weren't hundreds of bloody fireworks going off all night.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,160

    ISTR that one Labour fan on here proclaimed "an end to the rail strikes" a few months ago, as a sign of how good this new government was.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgzpwdkl01o

    More than a thousand years ago we learned that paying the Danegeld means the Dane keeps coming back.

    Amazing that. 45 years after the winter of discontent, people still don't get that the greed of unions is insatiable. But then of course they largely fund the (misnamed) Labour Party so we're stuck with them for the next four years at least I'm afraid.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,207
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    My research has revealed it is raining outside.

    The dog has confirmed it is both wet and windy outside. Hasty retreat beaten; now rather more gruntled, sleeping against my legs on the bed.

    Having spent as near a silent half hour cleaning up phase 1 of the party debris as I could, I am rewarding myself with a New Year Lie-in.

    I suspect the Good Lady will have some innate ability to stay abed until I have finished phases 2 and 3 of the clean up.

    Phase 4 will require a tip run.

    Night-night (again)
    Hope you can get to sleep. Heavy rain plus occasional fireworks meant I was waking up numerous times.

    There'll be plenty of local flooding, I think.
    Oddly, I was just thinking how the heavy rain meant at least there weren't hundreds of bloody fireworks going off all night.
    Mr Dog likes wind and rain on NYE. It’s been this way several years running, here. Although last night they managed to get the small town display off early, come midnight there was next to nothing.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,838
    Fishing said:

    ISTR that one Labour fan on here proclaimed "an end to the rail strikes" a few months ago, as a sign of how good this new government was.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgzpwdkl01o

    More than a thousand years ago we learned that paying the Danegeld means the Dane keeps coming back.

    Amazing that. 45 years after the winter of discontent, people still don't get that the greed of unions is insatiable. But then of course they largely fund the (misnamed) Labour Party so we're stuck with them for the next four years at least I'm afraid.
    It's the high wage economy that Johnson promised us that brexit would deliver. You should be ripping the head off your old boy over it.
Sign In or Register to comment.