Environmentalism, feminism, liberalism, and socialism are the favourite ideologies of Brits

Perhaps Skir could offer the wealthy Syrian asylum. His loot would fill several black holes that the govt has uncovered since assuming office. And wouldn't Ed approve, having saved his bacon back in 2013?

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Evening PB'ers.

According to Senator Chris Smith at the congressional hearing just now, 12-30 drones recently followed a coastguard boat, and 50 were seen by them coming in from the ocean.

Did they get any good photos or videos? Maybe they left their mobile phones behind?

I doubt they would be allowed to provide their own mobile footage.
At the same hearing, the FBI have said it's "concerning" and that they can't explain it all as yet.

Ah, the good stuff is being suppressed again. Ok.

eek said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

A skilled job should be paid the market rate, gender has nothing to do with it.

If a "similar" job has higher pay, why don't people apply for that job? Maybe its skills are rarer, and thus more valuable, if they're not doing so?

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

My solution is to use technology to reduce the number of workers required *and* pay them more *and* increase productivity.

But that’s crazy talk, I suppose.

Sometimes technology slows things down. Refuse collectors could complete an average street of black bag waste in the time it takes to load twenty wheelie bins. The men like it too. On " job and knock"* they are back home for elevensies.

* I'm trolling, task and finish is all but dead.

Oh I doubt you could finish collections by 11 - if they could someone very senior had screwed up.

In our council we have 2 teams running a 4 day week but we are also a very small council and I'm sure the movement from bags to bins resulted in some people losing their jobs and others having expanded days.

It does mean that outside of Christmas we have standard collections on our usual day of the week.

About 20 years ago I was assessing bin men in North Devon Council in Torridge. They were in at six and back in the depot at 9.30. It was a bit of a bugger for me with a three hour journey to assess them. At the same time I was doing the same work for Cleanaway in Solihull. Solihull Council had a back door collection so the bin men would be out on their round from around 2.30. By the time the trucks were out of the depot at 6.30 the black bags had been bulked up at the end of each road so he bin lorry only had to make about 5% of its anticipated stops. They were back in the depot by 10.30 but then they had been grafting for 8 hours. Some had second jobs, or cared for their pre school children whilst their wives went out to work.

Apologies ; "Free", that should ofcourse say, there.

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Evening PB'ers.

According to Senator Chris Smith at the congressional hearing just now, 12-30 drones recently followed a coastguard boat, and 50 were seen by them coming in from the ocean.

Did they get any good photos or videos? Maybe they left their mobile phones behind?

I doubt they would be allowed to provide their own mobile footage.
At the same hearing, the FBI have said it's "concerning" and that they can't explain it all as yet.

Ah, the good stuff is being suppressed again. Ok.

Caricatures don't help. As is obvious, police, coastguards, etc are hardly frele to release their own footage to the public.

We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

There's nothing to play out.

If there was, there'd be some evidence, rather than this he said, she said, bullshit.

Northern_Al said:

It's a huge relief that Anabob doesn't seem to be around tonight.
If he were, we'd be well into 10,000 posts on where on earth Assad will be able to spend all his cash.

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eek said:

rottenborough said:

‪Sunder Katwala (sundersays)‬ ‪@sundersays.bsky.social‬
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15m
Elon Musk following the local elections now ...

https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lcy6eh7lns2b


My own guess is most of this from Musk is he was seriously pissed at not being invited to Labour's invest in britain conference the other month. So he's determined to get Starmer.

The problem with that argument is that he has no project / company looking to invest abroad at the moment - so he would be vetoed on the grounds of no money to invest...

As I side note - it seems that the tesla plan to create solar panel tiles has discovered that shifting assembly on site (i.e. wiring every small tile to the next one) is as inefficient as you might imagine.

The future of houses will be fixed sizes where the roof is 99% or more solar panels.

As with the other vendors of roof tile simulating solar panels (there are a number) the panels are actual blocks of “tiles” fixed together and pre-wired, in standardised units. The edges are then filled in to make a complete roof using individual tiles that are not solar cells, but match the ones that are.

There’s a company offering a version of this for slate roofs, in the U.K., IIRC

geoffw said:

Perhaps Skir could offer the wealthy Syrian asylum. His loot would fill several black holes that the govt has uncovered since assuming office. And wouldn't Ed approve, having saved his bacon back in 2013?

Ed and bacon are a toxic cocktail.

BartholomewRoberts said:

WhisperingOracle said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Evening PB'ers.

According to Senator Chris Smith at the congressional hearing just now, 12-30 drones recently followed a coastguard boat, and 50 were seen by them coming in from the ocean.

Did they get any good photos or videos? Maybe they left their mobile phones behind?

I doubt they would be allowed to provide their own mobile footage.
At the same hearing, the FBI have said it's "concerning" and that they can't explain it all as yet.

Ah, the good stuff is being suppressed again. Ok.

Caricatures don't help. As is obvious, police, coastguards, etc are hardly frele to release their own footage to the public.

We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

There's nothing to play out.

If there was, there'd be some evidence, rather than this he said, she said, bullshit.

By this logic, evidence is always already publicly available at the beginning of any investigation.

That's not how things always work, which is why part of today's hearing was classified. As I mentioned yesterday, if there weren't four American government agencies working on it I might agree with you.

We aren't at the beginning of anything, muppets like you have been banging on about UFOs for a century or more.

Needless and juvenile abuse aside, it's as likely to be the Chinese as UAP's.

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Do we need a coup, a new election and a Farage Government?

The fall of Assad must have made Starmer nervous about what could happen here.

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Do we need a coup, a new election and a Farage Government?

The fall of Assad must have made Starmer nervous about what could happen here.

Really - I don't think we've spent the last 15 years in a civil and proxy civil war....

eek said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Do we need a coup, a new election and a Farage Government?

The fall of Assad must have made Starmer nervous about what could happen here.

Really - I don't think we've spent the last 15 years in a civil and proxy civil war....

Although if you went off @Scott_xP posts then maybe that is what the last 15 years were like.

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:

Corbyn and the Gaza independents to form a new party:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/gaza-independents-to-register-new-party/

Will it have a paramilitary wing?

I am free on Sundays. (Unless Leeds are playing.)

Shecorns88 said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Do we need a coup, a new election and a Farage Government?

FFS

Then we would have a coup.

With Musk and Candy cash behind them the ghosts of Peter Wright and Louis Mountbatten might just pull it off this time around.

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

turbotubbs said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Evening PB'ers.

According to Senator Chris Smith at the congressional hearing just now, 12-30 drones recently followed a coastguard boat, and 50 were seen by them coming in from the ocean.

Did they get any good photos or videos? Maybe they left their mobile phones behind?

I doubt they would be allowed to provide their own mobile footage.
At the same hearing, the FBI have said it's "concerning" and that they can't explain it all as yet.

Ah, the good stuff is being suppressed again. Ok.

Caricatures don't help. As is obvious, police, coastguards, etc are hardly frele to release their own footage to the public.

We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

It’s just so reminiscent of other stories we’ve been hearing about, and in those cases we were always promised the really good stuff was there. It wasn’t. The best ones have been easily debunked.

People are terrible witnesses. Absolutely terrible. I have no idea if these coastguard were seeing 12-30 drones, but it seem rather unlikely.

Last night I had a chat with my neighbour, who was somewhat in his cups. We got onto the subject of ghosts. I don’t believe they exist. I’d rather they did. He firmly believes, thinks he’s seen a little girl in his kitchen on 3 or 4 occasions and hears knocking on a regular basis. I have never experienced anything I cannot rationally explain. He claims to have.

I strongly suspect the events going on right now are a classic flap. A trigger happens, then people start seeing things all over. It will eventually fizzle out. There will be no drones recovered. Just like at Gatwick.

As a sort of devil's advocate position, in of themselves drones are an actual thing.

Whether that means massive open and blatant state-sponsored spying via entire fleets of the things is a different kettle of fish entirely, but it's not exactly in the realms of crazy to imagine a handful of random bad actors flying the sort of thing you can probably order from Argos if you so wished in the vicinity of some sensitive areas.

So because this train is delayed for an hour I get a full refund (bar £3 a gave to Seatfrog for their service charge for an upgrade).

I'm going to register a complaint though as LNER customer service staff work 9 to 5 so won't be checking claims at 22:15 regardless of what the email claims..

Foxy said:

another_richard said:

Foxy said:

another_richard said:

Foxy said:

another_richard said:

Foxy said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

BBC News - Government recommends 2.8% pay rise for public sector
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxdnexrvv8o

Just let's wait and see how long it is until Reeves rolls over to the tune of their Union paymasters

So 0.2% in real terms.

To get real terms increases in output and consequently pay there needs to be increases in productivity.

Fortunately there have been:

https://bsky.app/profile/rentouljohn.bsky.social/post/3larflnb4ek2e

Those are measures of outputs.

You need to compare with inputs to get the productivity changes.

Did you actually read the article?

Did you ?

From the Introduction:

One reason for poor NHS performance in recent years is the seemingly large fall in hospital productivity since the start of the pandemic. Put simply, the service is requiring more funding and more staff to deliver the same amount of hospital care. This year, for the first time, NHS England produced its own estimate of the productivity shortfall, estimating that acute hospital productivity in 2023–24 was 11% lower than pre-pandemic levels.

From the Conclusion:

NHS hospital productivity remains substantially below pre-pandemic levels. The productivity increase between last year and this year will not on its own deliver the scale of improvements in NHS performance promised at the election. NHS targets for increasing the number of treatments from the waiting list, produced as part of the previous government’s 2022 elective recovery plan, are still very likely to be missed this year. And at the current rate, you would need several more years’ improvements just to return the NHS to its pre-pandemic productivity levels, let alone exceed them. The NHS workforce plan is built on the assumption that the NHS can deliver continual improvements in labour productivity – without these, even the large planned increase in the NHS workforce would not, according to the service’s own estimates, be enough to meet demand for care.

And suggesting NHS deserve a real terms pay rise because output has increased in 2024 also requires you to accept there should have been pay cuts because output fell in the years before.

There were real terms pay cuts in the NHS. Quite substantial ones.

Doesn't that depends on what year you start from and what salary grade ?

IIRC the pay restraint years were in the early and mid 2010s and affected higher grades more ?

Dura_Ace said:

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:

Corbyn and the Gaza independents to form a new party:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/gaza-independents-to-register-new-party/

Will it have a paramilitary wing?

I am free on Sundays. (Unless Leeds are playing.)

What position do you play for Leeds ?

Casino_Royale said:

When I see Feminism I think Germaine Greer or Naomi Wolf, who are a bit chippy and have a men problem.

I wouldn't rate it as a positive, but it's certainly an ideology you're expected to endorse. I expect it gets virtually all women and a good chunk of liberal men.

Naomi Wolf is a waste of space.

another_richard said:

Dura_Ace said:

SandyRentool said:

williamglenn said:

Corbyn and the Gaza independents to form a new party:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/gaza-independents-to-register-new-party/

Will it have a paramilitary wing?

I am free on Sundays. (Unless Leeds are playing.)

What position do you play for Leeds ?

Service Crew

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

You want to be able to pay women less??

Oh and for you and other posters - the Equal Pay Act 1970 has not been in force since 2010 - some 14 years ago. It was replaced by the 2010 Equality Act.

Judging by the comments on this thread, if the poll had been done only for PB posters, feminism would have been lucky to get to 5.1% let alone 51%.

AnthonyT said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

You want to be able to pay women less??

Oh and for you and other posters - the Equal Pay Act 1970 has not been in force since 2010 - some 14 years ago. It was replaced by the 2010 Equality Act.

Judging by the comments on this thread, if the poll had been done only for PB posters, feminism would have been lucky to get to 5.1% let alone 51%.

I don't think women should be paid less for doing the same job as a man.

I do think each job should have its own pay rate based on its own supply and demand - and if a job relies upon rarer or more heavily-demanded skills it should be able to be paid more than a job which relies on more common skills.

And there should be absolutely nothing from preventing women from achieving the same skills and same job as a man has. If other jobs pay more, there should be absolutely nothing preventing women from going for those jobs - paying more for jobs that are not the same and have supply exceeding demand is a waste of money and not "progress".

AnthonyT said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

You want to be able to pay women less??

Oh and for you and other posters - the Equal Pay Act 1970 has not been in force since 2010 - some 14 years ago. It was replaced by the 2010 Equality Act.

Judging by the comments on this thread, if the poll had been done only for PB posters, feminism would have been lucky to get to 5.1% let alone 51%.

I think it’s really complicated. Take academic careers. Generally men don’t take too many career breaks, and if they are sucessful go through the ranks of lecturer, senior lecturer/reader to prof. Not all of course, I doubt I’ll get beyond reader. For women it’s common to have one, two or more years off to have children. Universities generally are good with maternity leave, so a year for each baby is common.

What happens for said women when it comes to promotion? It’s not even as simple as having a year or two less experience, a year or two less research and funding etc. it can be really hard getting going again after a break, and now with childcare constraints and often a choice for shorter hours.

So progression can be harder for women. What should we do about this? Is it ‘fair’ to promote women with l fewer publications, less research, less experience than an equivalent man? Some say yes, some say no. It’s not easy.

I reckon my own ordering among the "isms" wouldn't be too far off that of the great British public. Certainly the same top 4. Conservatism wouldn't feature but capitalism certainly would. I've got some time for anarchism and libertarianism too, but none for fascism, communism, nationalism or populism.

Reform UK is building a winning team to change British politics forever.

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1866462615930871998

When is the first electoral opportunity?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1866462907199840292

The first step is the English County Council elections on May 1st 2025. Britain Needs Reform.
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1866475659003826450

OnlyLivingBoy said:

I reckon my own ordering among the "isms" wouldn't be too far off that of the great British public. Certainly the same top 4. Conservatism wouldn't feature but capitalism certainly would. I've got some time for anarchism and libertarianism too, but none for fascism, communism, nationalism or populism.

So wealth creation but also self centredness and greed are fine, tradition isn't, state control of the economy isn't, a strong nation state isn't and nor is authoritarianism

Power outtage third night in a row. Mind you, I can see the workmen from my window, so no complaints.

cousin marriage needs to be banned.

We have a problem of British Pakistanis marrying their cousins back in Pakistan for generation after generation. This is real bad for the children. If it was one generation and then skipped a generation then it wouldn't be so bad. But right now it's a disaster.
(I'm British Pakistani and Indian).

Nunu3 said:

cousin marriage needs to be banned.

We have a problem of British Pakistanis marrying their cousins back in Pakistan for generation after generation. This is real bad for the children. If it was one generation and then skipped a generation then it wouldn't be so bad. But right now it's a disaster.
(I'm British Pakistani and Indian).

I saw floating around online Iqbal Mohamed MP's comment on this subject, which was that it helps 'build family bonds', which is a novel way of putting it to say the least, though the full speech has a bit more to say in contextualising that element.

(Also, apparently cousin marriage not being illegal was Henry VIII's fault - his dick got us all into many problems).

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2024-12-10/debates/6A325A71-434B-42FF-AC9F-FF8C6FD85B00/details#contribution-E8F19147-1F61-42C5-B474-CA1A2AF1C1E7

HYUFD said:

Reform UK is building a winning team to change British politics forever.

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1866462615930871998

When is the first electoral opportunity?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1866462907199840292

The first step is the English County Council elections on May 1st 2025. Britain Needs Reform.
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1866475659003826450

It's the local elections Nige, not everywhere has a county council.

Benpointer said:

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

My solution is to use technology to reduce the number of workers required *and* pay them more *and* increase productivity.

But that’s crazy talk, I suppose.

What's your technology solution to reducing the number of people who empty your bins?

Productivity gains can come from using less of something to achieve the same thing. So a technological solution to reducing the number of people emptying bins would be to reduce the volume of waste generated in the first place.

It's why some of the slightly crazy ideas that come from the left are unfairly maligned, IMO. They often represent common-sense productivity gains, like more energy-efficient homes or cycling distances below 5 miles.

Malmesbury said:

Benpointer said:

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

My solution is to use technology to reduce the number of workers required *and* pay them more *and* increase productivity.

But that’s crazy talk, I suppose.

What's your technology solution to reducing the number of people who empty your bins?

Robots to pickup the council wheelie bins are in prototype already. Creating robots that can pick up and load the colour coded recycling bins would not be an impossible task either. Certainly compared to robots that can pick raspberries without damaging them.

I was thinking the same thing.

In LA, the trucks go down the street, and giant mechanical arms pick up the wheelie bins and deposit their contents.

There's nothing impossible - on a five to ten year horizon - about having the refuse trucks be entirely automated.

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

Benpointer said:

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

My solution is to use technology to reduce the number of workers required *and* pay them more *and* increase productivity.

But that’s crazy talk, I suppose.

What's your technology solution to reducing the number of people who empty your bins?

Robots to pickup the council wheelie bins are in prototype already. Creating robots that can pick up and load the colour coded recycling bins would not be an impossible task either. Certainly compared to robots that can pick raspberries without damaging them.

I was thinking the same thing.

In LA, the trucks go down the street, and giant mechanical arms pick up the wheelie bins and deposit their contents.

There's nothing impossible - on a five to ten year horizon - about having the refuse trucks be entirely automated.

With enough technological progess we can just wire up everyone to a feeding tube and a waste tube, while entertainment is wirelessly delivered to a chip in their brain.

If Meta are not working on this right now I would be very surprised.

Keeping an eye on the CEO killer thing in the US. The Trump election has seriously frayed law and order, I think - "if millions of people can vote for a convicted felon to be President, I'm not going to apologise for supporting this guy" is the general vibe.

The most absurd element so far is this article discussing his playing of the hyper violent game "Among Us". I spent much of the pandemic having fun with my friends doing exactly the same...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ironic-suspect-unitedhealthcare-slaying-played-video-game-killer-rcna183550?cid=referral_taboolafeed

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

Benpointer said:

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

My solution is to use technology to reduce the number of workers required *and* pay them more *and* increase productivity.

But that’s crazy talk, I suppose.

What's your technology solution to reducing the number of people who empty your bins?

Robots to pickup the council wheelie bins are in prototype already. Creating robots that can pick up and load the colour coded recycling bins would not be an impossible task either. Certainly compared to robots that can pick raspberries without damaging them.

I was thinking the same thing.

In LA, the trucks go down the street, and giant mechanical arms pick up the wheelie bins and deposit their contents.

There's nothing impossible - on a five to ten year horizon - about having the refuse trucks be entirely automated.

With enough technological progess we can just wire up everyone to a feeding tube and a waste tube, while entertainment is wirelessly delivered to a chip in their brain.

There's a film in there somewhere...

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Truly, the Millwall of governments...

Eabhal said:

Keeping an eye on the CEO killer thing in the US. The Trump election has seriously frayed law and order, I think - "if millions of people can vote for a convicted felon to be President, I'm not going to apologise for supporting this guy" is the general vibe.

The most absurd element so far is this article discussing his playing of the hyper violent game "Among Us". I spent much of the pandemic having fun with my friends doing exactly the same...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ironic-suspect-unitedhealthcare-slaying-played-video-game-killer-rcna183550?cid=referral_taboolafeed

Despite the average gamer probably being in their 30s, and the extremely varied nature of games and gaming in general, occasionally the news media still turns into a bunch of nonagenarian scaremongers about the dangers of violent games, or condescendingly state only children play video games. You see the latter on here sometimes too, as though playing a game is something you automatically grow out of, as though people also grow out of reading books or watching movies, so even intelligent people can turn off their brains on the subject.

Disclosure - I have actually done very little gaming in the last few years.

viewcode said:

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

Benpointer said:

Malmesbury said:

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

My solution is to use technology to reduce the number of workers required *and* pay them more *and* increase productivity.

But that’s crazy talk, I suppose.

What's your technology solution to reducing the number of people who empty your bins?

Robots to pickup the council wheelie bins are in prototype already. Creating robots that can pick up and load the colour coded recycling bins would not be an impossible task either. Certainly compared to robots that can pick raspberries without damaging them.

I was thinking the same thing.

In LA, the trucks go down the street, and giant mechanical arms pick up the wheelie bins and deposit their contents.

There's nothing impossible - on a five to ten year horizon - about having the refuse trucks be entirely automated.

...and ten minutes later somebody hacks them and we have automated killer trucks with giant mechanical arms roaming Los Angeles, picking people up and crushing them in their robot jaws.

What's the first rule of doing things? If what you do can result in a murderbot, then don't do that. 😃

Truly, there's a film in there somewhere...

Mexicanpete said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

Yes, we often tend to think of woke as a recent phenomenon, but its roots go back to 1960s radicalism. These laws will need to be unpicked by a future government.

I can't wait for you Reformers to turn the clock back to 1900.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:

maxh said:

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

MarqueeMark said:

Those under 49 need a good dose of "socialism" - especially losing their jobs - to get an understanding of what it actually delivers.

The good news is that we’re not having socialism.

The dubious equal pay claims bankrupting councils and businesses are something worse.

You think that's what's bankrupting councils?!

It certainly doesn't help. The law is absurd.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-09/birmingham-council-set-to-pay-out-over-250m-in-equal-pay-claim-sources-say

Birmingham Council is poised to pay out hundreds of millions of pounds to women workers including teaching assistants, carers, caterers and cleaners in order to finally settle the thousands of equal pay claims that have pushed the local authority to the brink of bankruptcy.

Have you never heard of the Equal Pay Act 1970? A nice easy way to educate yourself is to watch the excellent film Made in Dagenham.

A law that should be repealed.

Nobody should be stopping any woman, or anyone else, from applying for or getting a higher paid job. That doesn't justify people keeping the job they've got and then demanding more money for it.

What are you on about you plumb? The Equal Pay Act ensures women get paid the same as men for a similarly skilled job. The Ford example was women doing skilled work sewing car seat covers were paid labourers wages. That wasn't right.

Women should be paid the same as men for the same job, not "similar".

If a skilled job has plenty of supply of people willing to do the job, then its wages should be lower. That's supply and demand, not discrimination.

If women want a "similar" job's wages, they should apply for that similar job. If they don't get it because they're women, then that's discrimination - not paying a totally different job less.

A skilled job should be paid a skilled workers wage irrespective of gender. Same goes for the council context.

PBers who wouldn't get out of bed for less than £100k a year demanding public sector workers collect their rubbish for peanuts is one of the conundrums of our post Brexit Britain.

A job should be paid as much as is required to recruit enough people to fill it no more and no less

kle4 said:

Eabhal said:

Keeping an eye on the CEO killer thing in the US. The Trump election has seriously frayed law and order, I think - "if millions of people can vote for a convicted felon to be President, I'm not going to apologise for supporting this guy" is the general vibe.

The most absurd element so far is this article discussing his playing of the hyper violent game "Among Us". I spent much of the pandemic having fun with my friends doing exactly the same...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ironic-suspect-unitedhealthcare-slaying-played-video-game-killer-rcna183550?cid=referral_taboolafeed

Despite the average gamer probably being in their 30s, and the extremely varied nature of games and gaming in general, occasionally the news media still turns into a bunch of nonagenarian scaremongers about the dangers of violent games, or condescendingly state only children play video games. You see the latter on here sometimes too, as though playing a game is something you automatically grow out of, as though people also grow out of reading books or watching movies, so even intelligent people can turn off their brains on the subject.

Disclosure - I have actually done very little gaming in the last few years.

I've been moving around quite a lot over the last two years so have been restricted to my MacBook (fine for some strategy/sandbox). But I've just settled down again and the new PC build is slowly coming together - indeed, I'll probably be asking PB for some advice on monitors in the next few weeks.

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Truly, the Millwall of governments...

Time for another relaunch.....with new 7 pillars.

rcs1000 said:

AnthonyT said:

Casino_Royale said:

When I see Feminism I think Germaine Greer or Naomi Wolf, who are a bit chippy and have a men problem.

I wouldn't rate it as a positive, but it's certainly an ideology you're expected to endorse. I expect it gets virtually all women and a good chunk of liberal men.

Naomi Wolf is a waste of space.

She will forever be in my heart for the radio interview regarding her book Outrages, in which she wrote movingly about all the people executed in the UK for their sexuality, due to court records containing the phrase "death recorded".

During the radio interview, a historian (I forget whom) pointed out to her that the phrase didn't mean they'd been executed. It simple meant they had died.

I thought it was more like they'd been exiled/discommodated, more like a legal death than an actual death

FrancisUrquhart said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Labour down to just 18% approval

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1866487590377140269?t=E6U7rz3_LrirDQmv1WmilA&s=19

Truly, the Millwall of governments...

Time for another relaunch.....with new 7 pillars.

They'd settle right now for two of wisdom and five of salt....

MoonRabbit said:

The Daily Telegraph died on this day 11th December 2024



By the end, its inability to compete in a much changed world had carried it into ineptitude, hopelessly unable to compete with the Daily Star, Elon Musk’s X account, and other irrelevant and spoof media outlets of the 21st century. It leaves a UK, despite Brexit, owned and governed by decisions taken far away in foreign lands, as, in an ironic twist, the Daily Star was pointing this very thing out to its readership on its front page, the very same day the Daily Telegraph died.

Commiserations to everyone once fond of it. 😔

Why did it die on this day?

Andy_JS said:

"Moment explosion blows up terraced house roof in Ilford"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9VmmBM_x84

My 14 year old son would have slept through that.

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

"Moment explosion blows up terraced house roof in Ilford"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9VmmBM_x84

My 14 year old son would have slept through that.

lol. We'll have to ask Sunil if he heard it.

One for @Sunil_Prasannan

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gallery/drone-images-show-how-northumberland-30481656

stodge said:

Afternoon all

On topic, the problem is everyone has their own subjective interpretation and definition of all the “isms” listed. We could waste 100,000 posts trying to define liberalism, socialism, conservatism, centrism and environmentalism and be no nearer any kind of truth.

Afternoon? You must be somewhere exotic.

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Nigel_Foremain said:

Interesting that there are an apparent twice as many fascists among the young than in the above 65s. It is a relief that fascism is such a low percentage across all parties, even the Reform voters, though their populist nationalism might be described as fascism-lite.

Quite a few Commies amongst the 18-24.

One of Foxjr2's housemates is a communist.

That's the age group for whom communism is an attractive theoretical concept rather than a horrific reality afflicting huge populations of the world.

Sure but it doesn't bode well.

No, I quite agree. I can explain but I can't approve.
Even when communism existed, we were relatively equivocal in this country about its awfulness. I remember going to the museum of communism in Prague in the 90s, which pulled no punches about how evil and how useless the system was, and thinking how we just wouldn't be that direct in Britain. Communism always retained a bit of a cachet even during the worst years of it globally.

I think it's simpler than romanticism.

If young people feel no stake in society, even when they study and work hard, then expect a proportion to radicalise.

People who feel failed by capitalism will look elsewhere for change.

There is also, especially in America, the feeling that the new billionaire classes are not playing by the unwritten rules.