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  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,171
    edited December 2024
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  • Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    If the headline is a question, the answer is probably "no".

    Fun to speculate, but there are some problems that might not have occurred to Addled Space Karen.

    For a start, it wouldn't be that easy to spend that much money. Not impossible, but not easy.

    Second, for all those who get excited about PM Nigel, remember that he will be an oldish 65 when the next election comes round. Fresh-faced across the Atlantic, but past It here. It would also imply most of his cabinet being newbie MPs.

    Basically, This Is Not America. Thank goodness.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,115

    Morning PB'ers

    Elon Musk is about to hand Nigel Farage 100 million as a "fuck you Starmer" payment to "make him Prime Minister", according to the Mail.

    And democracy goes down the toilet.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,766
    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    posh birds innit
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785

    I very much doubt that assertion. In my experience most women glaze over at the mere mention of politics.
    It puts me in mind of this classic Harry Enfield sketch:

    https://youtu.be/LS37SNYjg8w?feature=shared

    The reality is that there are lots of women active in politics and expressing their views on social media, but very few here.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    I remain unconvinced that the Wallace nonsense is a bigger story than Aleppo. BBC story priority can be bloody weird sometimes.

    No story is bigger than a BBC story if you are the BBC.

    Self-obsessed doesn't begin to cover it.
  • Foxy said:

    It puts me in mind of this classic Harry Enfield sketch:

    https://youtu.be/LS37SNYjg8w?feature=shared

    The reality is that there are lots of women active in politics and expressing their views on social media, but very few here.
    Whether these women are interested in the betting part of politicalbetting is the other question, although if we cleared out the non-betting men there would not be many left.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966

    Come back at 4 and we'll let you know.
    Well, it's completely gone now, as has the horizon
  • And democracy goes down the toilet.
    I suppose the thinking might be that he helped Trump.to victory, so do a double.

    Terrible for our democracy, though. As you're mentioning.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,115
    The BBC does seem to have a problem. 'Talent' after talent shown to be abusing their position and power in the workplace, and the BBC routinely ignoring it.

    Gregg Wallace's situation is a relatively minor one, but is shows that the BBC is still letting the 'talent' do whatever it wants, and is not protecting other, lesser, staff members and the public.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I remain unconvinced that the Wallace nonsense is a bigger story than Aleppo. BBC story priority can be bloody weird sometimes.

    I don’t know this guy, but it sounds like he’s accused of bad jokes rather than kiddy fiddling.

    A very different category of offence compared to many of the other BBC names that have been in the news in recent years.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,782

    The BBC does seem to have a problem. 'Talent' after talent shown to be abusing their position and power in the workplace, and the BBC routinely ignoring it.

    Gregg Wallace's situation is a relatively minor one, but is shows that the BBC is still letting the 'talent' do whatever it wants, and is not protecting other, lesser, staff members and the public.

    Yes, definitely a BBC thing, such patterns of behaviours are unheard of in all other large organisations.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    Foxy said:

    This is a very male space, and we can only speculate why so few women post, even though there are millions of women interested in politics.
    Greg Wallace would get put back in his box if he tried the leery laddish stuff on here though.

    As tim used to get called out when he was being a misogynist oaf.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    IanB2 said:

    Well, it's completely gone now, as has the horizon
    I think that just means you've fallen into a black hole...
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198

    I remain unconvinced that the Wallace nonsense is a bigger story than Aleppo. BBC story priority can be bloody weird sometimes.

    Especially at the weekend.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,115
    Sandpit said:

    I don’t know this guy, but it sounds like he’s accused of bad jokes rather than kiddy fiddling.

    A very different category of offence compared to many of the other BBC names that have been in the news in recent years.
    Whether a joke is 'bad' or not is very much in the eye of the beholder. People should be allowed to get on with their jobs without being subjected to unwanted sexual comments. Or racist ones (though Wallace has not bene accused of that AFAIK).

    It's about professionalism. He did not act professionally.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198
    Sandpit said:

    I don’t know this guy, but it sounds like he’s accused of bad jokes rather than kiddy fiddling.

    A very different category of offence compared to many of the other BBC names that have been in the news in recent years.
    Bad jokes and off colour comments of a coarse nature.

    He also, allegedly, appeared with a sock over his todger !!

    All stuff that would have been dismissed as banter 40 years ago.

    Make of that what you will.
  • NEW THREAD

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,825
    Starmer's relaunch is going to focus on some key targets. The problem with this is clear. It is just a fact that government has power and responsibility for all state managed expenditure and policy making. This is gigantic. A handful of targets doesn't help. Their job is to run the entire, huge, state enterprise competently.

    Opinions vary as to whether this is a good idea, but we live in a centralised social democracy. While that is the case it is unavoidable. We, not the government, decide which bits of their responsibility matters to us. It might be pot holes, it might be NHS dentistry, it might be our foreign policy towards Bulgaria. We should not allow them to choose.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198
    An interesting piece on Syria. Our enemies enemy can also be our enemy

    https://x.com/bdsixsmith/status/1863114593024827611?s=61
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,267

    The Russians didn't seem to have a balanced force in Syria. They provided air support for the Assad regime whilst they built a warm deep-water port at Tartus. Tartus is well north of Damascus, due west of Hama which Assad's forces have abandoned. It is doubtful the Russians can hold Tartus without any wider support.

    A Russian plane was shot down over Alleppo. There was also a report that an airbase was overrun leaving behind 5 Russian planes.

    13 years of Russian assistance seems to be coming to an end. A strategic disaster for Russia, to add to Georgia, Ukraine and the economy.
    Absolutely. The Syria news is very bad news for both Russian and Iranian interests.

    I don't think we know enough about how the current rebels will behave to comment on whether it's a good thing for humanity in the long-term. But from a geopolitical angle I'll take a defeat for Russia and Iran as a win. Especially given Russia is the primary threat to Europe and the UK at present.
  • I remain unconvinced that the Wallace nonsense is a bigger story than Aleppo. BBC story priority can be bloody weird sometimes.

    You can say the same of the Times and the Telegraph, who both have it big on their front pages today.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,195
    Leon said:

    They do not understand how bad the boats thing is. They don't get it, on a visceral level. For them the sight of an asylum seeker in a Marriot Hotel with private healthcare is probably a warming moment, a Britain that care!. They surely strive to see it from the perspective of a Briton stuck in an NHS queue in a dying town, but they cannot manage it, they do not have the empathy

    This shit is going to kill them, they lack Theory of Mind. It will quite possibly put Farage in Downing Street
    How many asylum seekers have been in Marriot Hotels with private healthcare.

    This stuff is the dog whistles that Lee Anderson shoehorns into his social media posts.

    One of the hotels turned out to contain nurses employed by the NHS.
  • Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I sense it took an heroic effort to prevent the term ‘old slappers’ popping out.
    His career is more over than the Ottoman Empire. I assume he must paying quite a bit to the lawyers who are making increasingly ridiculous statements of complete innocence on his behalf, maybe time to cut and run.
  • MattW said:

    How many asylum seekers have been in Marriot Hotels with private healthcare.

    This stuff is the dog whistles that Lee Anderson shoehorns into his social media posts.

    One of the hotels turned out to contain nurses employed by the NHS.
    The other thing about the hotels is that they're what happens you stop trying to process asylum claims. People don't just stop existing because you would rather they weren't there.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Taz said:

    Bad jokes and off colour comments of a coarse nature.

    He also, allegedly, appeared with a sock over his todger !!

    All stuff that would have been dismissed as banter 40 years ago.

    Make of that what you will.
    Yes possibly jokes that would have been fine a few years ago, but don’t pass muster today. Someone needed to take him to one side and have a word in his ear.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,371
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    Flu tends not to be infectious without symptoms. That was the real kicker for covid. It made isolation and track and trace very, very hard.
    We are all scarred by covid (some very much so, as X will show) but we need to remember that covid was a 1 in a century event. We’d be bloody unlucky to get two of those in five years.
    Is COVID-19 a once in a century event? It depends what you count. The 20th century had 4 pandemics with at least a million deaths, the three big flu pandemics (Spanish flu, the 1957 pandemic and the 1968 pandemic) and HIV/AIDS. Not as serious, but there was also the 1977 flu pandemic. I’d probably say we get a flu pandemic about once every 25 years.

    How often we get other pandemics is harder to determine. But other pandemics are possibly becoming commoner. Since inventing the classification in 2005, the WHO has declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern 8 times already, although that’s not the same as a pandemic. Those 8 have been swine flu, 2014 polio outbreaks, the West African Ebola epidemic, Zika, the Kivu Ebola epidemic, COVID-19 and the two mpox outbreaks. (MERS notably wasn’t declared a PHEIC.) They vary in death toll. Most of those had total deaths in the thousands of lower, the exceptions being COVID and swine flu (~284,000 deaths). So, in the first quarter of the current century, we’ve had two big pandemics with COVID and swine flu.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,392

    I very much doubt that assertion. In my experience most women glaze over at the mere mention of politics.
    That has to be a parody post or have you mistakenly logged on here instead of the Victorian forum.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,392

    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    Agree strongly with that post. What had been reported is not criminal but unpleasant and offensive. I don't understand why he was warned and if so after repeated offences fired. I've met people who act like this and they are unpleasant and it is even worse if you are a woman because it can feel threatening even if it isn't.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602
    Cicero said:

    It is against the law, of course, and I hope we strictly enforce things, so that the malign American way of doing things is stopped.
    I’m not sure it is - if it’s Twitter UK that makes the donation? It’s certainly against the intention of the law, but that’s not what matters.

    And there are only spending restrictions for a few weeks ahead of the election.

    But it would be a concerning development

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602
    Cicero said:

    It is against the law, of course, and I hope we strictly enforce things, so that the malign American way of doing things is stopped.
    I’m not sure it is - if it’s Twitter UK that makes the donation? It’s certainly against the intention of the law, but that’s not what matters.

    And there are only spending restrictions for a few weeks ahead of the election.

    But it would be a concerning development

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,003
    rcs1000 said:

    So, tell us, what does @malcolmg look like in real life?
    @rcs1000 A hunk @MoonRabbit

  • Incredulous about The Monk.
    Strangely enough, he might have to resign his seat as he's on bail.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    I had my own thread, and put everyone right on macro economics 😇
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008

    I had my own thread, and put everyone right on macro economics 😇

    At least it helped TSE out, not having to come up with another one he could go Christmas shopping instead.

    Getting a header approved on PB is a bit like Sauron must have felt, helping the Elves make Rings of Power.
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