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Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.
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Counting people who don't own a car as "0 miles", or not?Eabhal said:
It's true that fuel duty as a proportion of disposable income is perhaps regressive, but that's a function of people being poor, not motoring being a poor man's game. Rich people drive 3x as much:Sandpit said:
Why is a failure to raise fuel duty incoherent? It’s one of the most regressive taxes of them all*, feeds into inflation more than any other tax, and mostly affects those with working-class jobs working shifts or in rural areas.Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
Politicians fail to understand that the only place you’ll find the public transport system of cenral London, is central London.
*just behind the TV licence.
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Fuel prices are lower today, in cash terms never mind real terms, than they were in 2012.Sandpit said:
Why is a failure to raise fuel duty incoherent? It’s one of the most regressive taxes of them all*, feeds into inflation more than any other tax, and mostly affects those with working-class jobs working shifts or in rural areas.Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
Politicians fail to understand that the only place you’ll find the public transport system of cenral London, is central London.
*just behind the TV licence.
Fuel duty has not kept pace with earnings inflation.2 -
I would have been more convinced by that report if it had omitted the people narrating it and telling me what to think, and the spooky background music.williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.1 -
What is really nuts is that there are some geniuses suggesting that we need to delay EV transition, as though setting less ambitious targets will magically make European manufacturers catch up. It will almost certainly have the opposite effect, and frankly the battle is probably already lost.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.5 -
130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill1 -
Half of PB has been in the same state of denial as the western auto industry for the last decade.glw said:
What is really nuts is that there are some geniuses suggesting that we need to delay EV transition, as though setting less ambitious targets will magically make European manufacturers catch up. It will almost certainly have the opposite effect, and frankly the battle is probably already lost.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.3 -
Number 1 is a problem, I had to buy a (second hand) ICE car because I didn't have enough for a new EV. I would probably have stretched myself and bought a new ICE car if the changeover wasn't coming. However my assumption is that over time batteries get cheaper and the cost comes down. But will over-reliance on China affect this?biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
I agree on number 2, I'm also nervous on how long they last in general, if I buy a new car I expect to keep it for 12 years. I'm hoping that as technology improves, this ceases to be an issue and also in a few more years it will be clear how long even the older tech batteries last.
On 3, the real issue for me is range. I want to be able to be sure to do my journey without the faff of finding a recharge point. My old Mondeo could do the Lake District and back on a single tank with some to spare, I'm now cursing that I have to stop to fill up on the way back with a slightly smaller petrol car. However the latest EVs are now doing 300 miles so this problem will go away eventually.
3 is a also real issue for others without private off-road parking; I deliberately chose a house with off-road parking when I moved recently for this reason but only about 10% of the houses in the streets around where I have space to park.
I suspect all these will slowly be fixed in time but the government should be doing much more on 3.
Personally I don't care about 4!2 -
The former, I think. It's NTS0705.carnforth said:
Counting people who don't own a car as "0 miles", or not?Eabhal said:
It's true that fuel duty as a proportion of disposable income is perhaps regressive, but that's a function of people being poor, not motoring being a poor man's game. Rich people drive 3x as much:Sandpit said:
Why is a failure to raise fuel duty incoherent? It’s one of the most regressive taxes of them all*, feeds into inflation more than any other tax, and mostly affects those with working-class jobs working shifts or in rural areas.Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
Politicians fail to understand that the only place you’ll find the public transport system of cenral London, is central London.
*just behind the TV licence.
The same tables demonstrate just how important bus travel is for people on lower incomes, while cycling is associated with higher incomes (though not as stark as car driving). Rail is slightly more "regressive" than motoring, mainly because it's heavily weighted by rich people commuting into London.
FWIW, my policy would be something like:- Tax new ICEs
- Increase fuel duty
- Abolish or half-rate fuel duty at rural fuel stations
- Abolish VAT on ICE car repairs and maintenance
- Perhaps some sort of free EV charging guarantee between 11pm and 6am for the next 5 years
- Give councils £XX billion to invest in kerbside charging, with councils allowed to keep all revenues (as an incentive to actually do it, and to place them efficiently).
0 - Tax new ICEs
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Christopher Chope can happily talk for five hours straight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill0 -
Can the speaker not limit everyone's time to talk ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill0 -
That would be a poor outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill3 -
Not really surprising the UK is nowhere, as there are no UK car manufacturers.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.
We are probably better off looking at other industry sectors entirely where we haven't completely sold them off.0 -
Tbh it's THE main reason I voted Tory last election.No_Offence_Alan said:
Fuel prices are lower today, in cash terms never mind real terms, than they were in 2012.Sandpit said:
Why is a failure to raise fuel duty incoherent? It’s one of the most regressive taxes of them all*, feeds into inflation more than any other tax, and mostly affects those with working-class jobs working shifts or in rural areas.Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
Politicians fail to understand that the only place you’ll find the public transport system of cenral London, is central London.
*just behind the TV licence.
Fuel duty has not kept pace with earnings inflation.1 -
I do not know, but someone with more parliamentary procedure knowledge may be able to respondPulpstar said:
Can the speaker not limit everyone's time to talk ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill0 -
Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.1 -
Morning all. It's not good here; just had to 'scoot' out and it's COLD.williamglenn said:
An important point is that getting people to switch to EVs is not the same question as getting people to buy them.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
If you're in American suburbia and have plenty of space for charging at home then buying a second or third car that's an EV isn't such a big deal. If it's your only car then it needs to be able to handle everything you might ever want to do with it.
Scooter, though, is electric and I'm quite happy with it, although I'm still getting used to the battery life. Furthermore sometimes it says the battery is low-ish, but the next time I get on it that indicator says full.
Secondly, I agree with Mr (should that be Squadron Leader?) Biggles, apart from his 4th point; I'm not one for powerful cars that go vroom! Certainly not nowadays, whatever applied OUAT.
Son came to see us the other day in his electric car and couldn't do all the fetching and carrying we wanted 'because he didn't think he'd got enough charge'. Apparently too, the power to his house, in suburban Kent, isn't reliable enough to fully charge his battery. I suspect it's a teething problem with the his charging system, but I need reliability.0 -
Which is extremely fucking stupid, as we're probably the best placed country in the world for EV transition. Literally have free electricity overnight from excess wind, and we're going to end up with towards 60GW installed by 2030.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.2 -
Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.0 -
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.2 -
Apparently we have 100GW in offshore wind in the development "pipeline".Eabhal said:
Which is extremely fucking stupid, as we're probably the best placed country in the world for EV transition. Literally have free electricity overnight from excess wind, and we're going to end up with towards 60GW installed by 2030.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.1 -
Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Hi.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.2 -
What really gets me is that we've seen it all before with Japan, and South Korea. "They'll never catch up, as they can't innovate, they don't have our Western mindset." Absolute bloody nonsense, and basically racist to boot.Nigelb said:Half of PB has been in the same state of denial as the western auto industry for the last decade.
I remember I think it was Peter Jay doing a programme about BYD years ago. The premiss was "this company you have never heard of is going to be absolutely massive", and it wasn't even really about EVs, simply the sheer scale of Chinese investment in automotive manufacturing was going to change the global market.
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On the other hand, Boris Johnson.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.1 -
https://x.com/iaponomarenko/status/1861409212028592151bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
As of now, if Ukraine had presidential elections, the following candidates would get a total of:
Valeriy Zaluzhny (the former general-in-chief, now ambassador to Britain) - 42%
Volodymyr Zelensky (the currently serving president) - 22%
Kyrylo Budanov (the military intel head) - 18%
Petro Poroshenko (the president in 2014-2019) - 10%0 -
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.0 -
Reminds me of what the teacher taking us for rugby at school said to me onceTheuniondivvie said:.
Licking shit of a shovel sounds…not good.turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
" Alan, It doesn't matter if you can run like shit off hot shovel if you haven't got the bloody ball!"
(said in a very Welsh accent)2 -
Worth noting that this all came to light, I believe, because new management discovered the tapes and passed them to the police. So the bit you quoted may be accurate now.Pulpstar said:
What is it like to attend this school?williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.
Pupils attending Whitefield school are happy, well cared for and kept safe. Pupils are
treated with dignity and respect and enjoy positive relationships with adults. Staff
are highly knowledgeable about working with the considerable range of varying
needs.
The school in question is https://www.whitefieldschool.org.uk/ , not to be confused with https://www.whitefield.barnet.sch.uk/0 -
Would the IMF bail out a country engaged in what Russia is engaged in? And what would happen if they didn't?Sandpit said:
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.0 -
What are Zaluzhny's thoughts on the war ?williamglenn said:
https://x.com/iaponomarenko/status/1861409212028592151bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
As of now, if Ukraine had presidential elections, the following candidates would get a total of:
Valeriy Zaluzhny (the former general-in-chief, now ambassador to Britain) - 42%
Volodymyr Zelensky (the currently serving president) - 22%
Kyrylo Budanov (the military intel head) - 18%
Petro Poroshenko (the president in 2014-2019) - 10%0 -
They won't leave, because there's an entire legal industry that will use the law (at the taxpayer's expense) to prevent them having to leave. Modern slavery, sudden conversion to Christianity (home country Muslim), realisation of being gay (home country Muslim). Rates of return for visa overstayers are through the floor.williamglenn said:The Canadian government expects 4.9 million people to leave voluntarily when their visas expire.
The UK faces a similar question over the people given visas by Boris Johnson’s government. If they are not renewed then a lot of people will need to leave.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/feds-expect-4-9-million-with-expiring-visas-to-voluntarily-leave-canada-in-next-year0 -
The Chinese cars are now pretty much as close to the Korean cars, as those are to the Japanese cars; and with a similar price difference, around 20% between each country. They’re cleaning up the market in my part of the world right now, among those who see a car as transport rather than a status symbol.glw said:
What really gets me is that we've seen it all before with Japan, and South Korea. "They'll never catch up, as they can't innovate, they don't have our Western mindset." Absolute bloody nonsense, and basically racist to boot.Nigelb said:Half of PB has been in the same state of denial as the western auto industry for the last decade.
I remember I think it was Peter Jay doing a programme about BYD years ago. The premiss was "this company you have never heard of is going to be absolutely massive", and it wasn't even really about EVs, simply the sheer scale of Chinese investment in automotive manufacturing was going to change the global market.
Where the Chinese are totally dominating is the new electric cars, which are close to half the price of anything else. Don’t know how long they’ll last or be supported, what they’ll be worth second-hand, or if the range numbers given are accurate, but that’s not stopping the sales.0 -
When batteries are cold, they often have apparently reduced capacity. Using a battery warms it up.OldKingCole said:
Morning all. It's not good here; just had to 'scoot' out and it's COLD.williamglenn said:
An important point is that getting people to switch to EVs is not the same question as getting people to buy them.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
If you're in American suburbia and have plenty of space for charging at home then buying a second or third car that's an EV isn't such a big deal. If it's your only car then it needs to be able to handle everything you might ever want to do with it.
Scooter, though, is electric and I'm quite happy with it, although I'm still getting used to the battery life. Furthermore sometimes it says the battery is low-ish, but the next time I get on it that indicator says full.
Secondly, I agree with Mr (should that be Squadron Leader?) Biggles, apart from his 4th point; I'm not one for powerful cars that go vroom! Certainly not nowadays, whatever applied OUAT.
Son came to see us the other day in his electric car and couldn't do all the fetching and carrying we wanted 'because he didn't think he'd got enough charge'. Apparently too, the power to his house, in suburban Kent, isn't reliable enough to fully charge his battery. I suspect it's a teething problem with the his charging system, but I need reliability.
Tesla were one of the first to implement, in cars, the known facts on battery temperature vs performance/life. By implementing an activity controlled cooling/warming system.
As to your son - either he hasn't installed a high power charger (charging off a normal mains socket will take forever) or he has an electrical problem in his house. Which needs fixing.1 -
How are you defining success?bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.0 -
Its actually five minutes, it just feels very much like five hours.Sandpit said:
Christopher Chope can happily talk for five hours straight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill2 -
It's unknown if he would actually stand in an election. I don't think he'd represent any change from Ukraine's current war aims.Pulpstar said:
What are Zaluzhny's thoughts on the war ?williamglenn said:
https://x.com/iaponomarenko/status/1861409212028592151bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
As of now, if Ukraine had presidential elections, the following candidates would get a total of:
Valeriy Zaluzhny (the former general-in-chief, now ambassador to Britain) - 42%
Volodymyr Zelensky (the currently serving president) - 22%
Kyrylo Budanov (the military intel head) - 18%
Petro Poroshenko (the president in 2014-2019) - 10%0 -
Followed up by: "No offence, Alan"?No_Offence_Alan said:
Reminds me of what the teacher taking us for rugby at school said to me onceTheuniondivvie said:.
Licking shit of a shovel sounds…not good.turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
" Alan, It doesn't matter if you can run like shit off hot shovel if you haven't got the bloody ball!"
(said in a very Welsh accent)2 -
If you are an embedded giant, change can seem rather daunting and risky. Why change, if the profits are rolling in? The risks in not changing seem fewer, and of lesser magnitude, than the risks of change. And the risks of not changing are further in the future, when you've moved on, or have got your pension out of the company.glw said:
What really gets me is that we've seen it all before with Japan, and South Korea. "They'll never catch up, as they can't innovate, they don't have our Western mindset." Absolute bloody nonsense, and basically racist to boot.Nigelb said:Half of PB has been in the same state of denial as the western auto industry for the last decade.
(Snip)
Which is why smaller companies, more willing to take risks, find to much easier to innovate. The risks are greater, but there is less to lose.
A few large companies do manage to successfully embrace change: I'd argue Microsoft has, and IBM has several times. I'm unsure how Google's going to go; which is odd, given how they seem to try everything.
Then there's disruption. In shipbuilding, the growth in ship sizes post-war was a disruption that, more than anything else, destroyed British shipbuilding. In vehicles, there is the disruption of the move from ICE to electric. Disruptions are Manna from Heaven for small, risk-embracing organisations. They're dreaded by the massive incumbents.
Now, the Japanese and South Koreans are the massive incumbents, whereas once they were the risk-taking minnows.2 -
Reminds of a guy I knew at Uni. With ball in hand he was amazing, and easily first XV standard (and in those days we played the top clubs U21 sides such as London Irish etc). The problem he had was that he simply couldn't catch a rugby ball. It was embarrassingly bad. But if he did ever catch that pass he was amazing.No_Offence_Alan said:
Reminds me of what the teacher taking us for rugby at school said to me onceTheuniondivvie said:.
Licking shit of a shovel sounds…not good.turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
" Alan, It doesn't matter if you can run like shit off hot shovel if you haven't got the bloody ball!"
(said in a very Welsh accent)
Only ever played in the 3rds.0 -
I'm a bit surprised by the Saudis. They can't be happy with Russia cosying up to Iran and perhaps even the Houthis. What are they and Egypt doing about the Red Sea?Sandpit said:
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.
I wonder if they are waiting for Biden to go before pumping more oil?1 -
The Conservative government was, yes, very poor at deporting anyone.Luckyguy1983 said:
They won't leave, because there's an entire legal industry that will use the law (at the taxpayer's expense) to prevent them having to leave. Modern slavery, sudden conversion to Christianity (home country Muslim), realisation of being gay (home country Muslim). Rates of return for visa overstayers are through the floor.williamglenn said:The Canadian government expects 4.9 million people to leave voluntarily when their visas expire.
The UK faces a similar question over the people given visas by Boris Johnson’s government. If they are not renewed then a lot of people will need to leave.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/feds-expect-4-9-million-with-expiring-visas-to-voluntarily-leave-canada-in-next-year
I don't see any actual evidence to back up this claim around visa overstayers making claims around slavery/religion/sexuality in large numbers.0 -
But they don’t go VROOOM….turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
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He prevented his country being deleted - the original Russian war aim was to take the whole country. People were offering him a helicopter to get out before Russians got to the Presidential building.turbotubbs said:
How are you defining success?bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.3 -
a) Proportion of contested Presidential elections the individual has won.turbotubbs said:
How are you defining success?bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
b) Respect from PBers.0 -
He fell out with Zelensky earlier this year.Pulpstar said:
What are Zaluzhny's thoughts on the war ?williamglenn said:
https://x.com/iaponomarenko/status/1861409212028592151bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
As of now, if Ukraine had presidential elections, the following candidates would get a total of:
Valeriy Zaluzhny (the former general-in-chief, now ambassador to Britain) - 42%
Volodymyr Zelensky (the currently serving president) - 22%
Kyrylo Budanov (the military intel head) - 18%
Petro Poroshenko (the president in 2014-2019) - 10%
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/08/europe/zaluzhnyi-ukraine-military-chief-dismissed-intl/index.html
Zaluzhny’s view was that Ukraine needed to draft more men and find more equipment if they wanted to avoid a stalemate.0 -
William Hague elected as next Chancellor of Oxford University0
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They do if you fit the appropriate loudspeakers.biggles said:
But they don’t go VROOOM….turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
(Not unlike model trains in the modern age, with DCC and cab sounds fitted)2 -
Sounds familiar. It wasn't Elwyn Price was it?No_Offence_Alan said:
Reminds me of what the teacher taking us for rugby at school said to me onceTheuniondivvie said:.
Licking shit of a shovel sounds…not good.turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
" Alan, It doesn't matter if you can run like shit off hot shovel if you haven't got the bloody ball!"
(said in a very Welsh accent)1 -
c) Number of roles played as a loveable bearbondegezou said:
a) Proportion of contested Presidential elections the individual has won.turbotubbs said:
How are you defining success?bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
b) Respect from PBers.1 -
That becomes the driver's jobbiggles said:
But they don’t go VROOOM….turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
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Trump - contested 3, won 2. Not bad. Zelensky - contested 1, won 1 very good!bondegezou said:
a) Proportion of contested Presidential elections the individual has won.turbotubbs said:
How are you defining success?bondegezou said:
Or, indeed, and rather more successfully, Zelenskyy in Ukraine.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
b) Respect from PBers.
However - Trump - refused to leave after his term was up - bad. Zelensky is still in power after his term - good.
PBers don't know shit.0 -
Good. The cost of fuel directly affects the cost of living and inflation more than any other single factor in the economy. Governments need to reduce energy costs as much as possible to enable economic growth, it’s not good that Ed Miliband takes the opposite approach but he still couldn’t persuade the Chancellor to raise fuel duty.No_Offence_Alan said:
Fuel prices are lower today, in cash terms never mind real terms, than they were in 2012.Sandpit said:
Why is a failure to raise fuel duty incoherent? It’s one of the most regressive taxes of them all*, feeds into inflation more than any other tax, and mostly affects those with working-class jobs working shifts or in rural areas.Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
Politicians fail to understand that the only place you’ll find the public transport system of cenral London, is central London.
*just behind the TV licence.
Fuel duty has not kept pace with earnings inflation.3 -
Joking aside, I do think electric cars need a breakout model which has a bit of romance attached. Iconic Aston in a Bond film or something. A week ago I’d have said that was a gap in the market for Jaguar….Selebian said:
That becomes the driver's jobbiggles said:
But they don’t go VROOOM….turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.1 -
Michael Owen has opined that nowadays, running or sprinting is more important than ball skills in modern football.No_Offence_Alan said:
Reminds me of what the teacher taking us for rugby at school said to me onceTheuniondivvie said:.
Licking shit of a shovel sounds…not good.turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
" Alan, It doesn't matter if you can run like shit off hot shovel if you haven't got the bloody ball!"
(said in a very Welsh accent)
Btw the 90s/00s player who ran more than anyone else during a game by huge margins was... David Beckham.0 -
The Saudis just passed a government budget with a $27bn deficit, they’re frantically trying to do Dubai on steroids and need the oil price high.FrankBooth said:
I'm a bit surprised by the Saudis. They can't be happy with Russia cosying up to Iran and perhaps even the Houthis. What are they and Egypt doing about the Red Sea?Sandpit said:
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.
I wonder if they are waiting for Biden to go before pumping more oil?
A lot of the US production, which can be expected to increase this year, also needs prices above around $60 to be viable.
Today’s price is $73 though, so there’s an amount of headroom.1 -
... with over 50 per cent of the votes cast.Big_G_NorthWales said:William Hague elected as next Chancellor of Oxford University
Loose talk about Mandy combining the chancellorship with the Washington embassy would have been fatal.0 -
Could still be, but they'll need an effing good car!biggles said:
Joking aside, I do think electric cars need a breakout model which has a bit of romance attached. Iconic Aston in a Bond film or something. A week ago I’d have said that was a gap in the market for Jaguar….Selebian said:
That becomes the driver's jobbiggles said:
But they don’t go VROOOM….turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
Put it this way, the ad would not put me off Jaguar. It does nothing to entice me either, but I'd be more bothered about the actual car. The problem they have is that, if the car is meh, then they may simply have lost a chunk of the market who habitually buy Jags for the image.
(Not that I'm going to be in the market - our current highly exciting Alhambra is likely to be replaced by an even more exciting van in the next year or so
) 1 -
Comparisons are drawn, although they do not really count Boris as a celebrity, between the journalism backgrounds of Boris & Clarkson.OldKingCole said:
On the other hand, Boris Johnson.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
It is also suggested that politics is far more open now, witness Reform's 4 million votes but also that even in the old parties it can be a very short greasy pole. Starmer was MP for just five years before leading his party; Cameron similar.0 -
BYD have a million employees now....glw said:
What really gets me is that we've seen it all before with Japan, and South Korea. "They'll never catch up, as they can't innovate, they don't have our Western mindset." Absolute bloody nonsense, and basically racist to boot.Nigelb said:Half of PB has been in the same state of denial as the western auto industry for the last decade.
I remember I think it was Peter Jay doing a programme about BYD years ago. The premiss was "this company you have never heard of is going to be absolutely massive", and it wasn't even really about EVs, simply the sheer scale of Chinese investment in automotive manufacturing was going to change the global market.
Huawei had their a launch event yesterday that none of the Western media covered...everything from phones with functionality that no Western phone has to self driving cars.
https://x.com/TaylorOgan/status/18612733226272444510 -
That's what I thought about the batteries but the 'full' light comes on when I switch on, even though when I finished my ride a day before it was showing half full or less.Malmesbury said:
When batteries are cold, they often have apparently reduced capacity. Using a battery warms it up.OldKingCole said:
Morning all. It's not good here; just had to 'scoot' out and it's COLD.williamglenn said:
An important point is that getting people to switch to EVs is not the same question as getting people to buy them.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
If you're in American suburbia and have plenty of space for charging at home then buying a second or third car that's an EV isn't such a big deal. If it's your only car then it needs to be able to handle everything you might ever want to do with it.
Scooter, though, is electric and I'm quite happy with it, although I'm still getting used to the battery life. Furthermore sometimes it says the battery is low-ish, but the next time I get on it that indicator says full.
Secondly, I agree with Mr (should that be Squadron Leader?) Biggles, apart from his 4th point; I'm not one for powerful cars that go vroom! Certainly not nowadays, whatever applied OUAT.
Son came to see us the other day in his electric car and couldn't do all the fetching and carrying we wanted 'because he didn't think he'd got enough charge'. Apparently too, the power to his house, in suburban Kent, isn't reliable enough to fully charge his battery. I suspect it's a teething problem with the his charging system, but I need reliability.
Tesla were one of the first to implement, in cars, the known facts on battery temperature vs performance/life. By implementing an activity controlled cooling/warming system.
As to your son - either he hasn't installed a high power charger (charging off a normal mains socket will take forever) or he has an electrical problem in his house. Which needs fixing.
My son has indeed an electrical problem in his house, which his supplier has supposed to have fixed, but hasn't. There is, I believe, an on going 'discussion', which, since he's a electronics engineer, I suspect he will win.
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The problem is that Jaguar are targeting the $100k EV market.Selebian said:
Could still be, but they'll need an effing good car!biggles said:
Joking aside, I do think electric cars need a breakout model which has a bit of romance attached. Iconic Aston in a Bond film or something. A week ago I’d have said that was a gap in the market for Jaguar….Selebian said:
That becomes the driver's jobbiggles said:
But they don’t go VROOOM….turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
Put it this way, the ad would not put me off Jaguar. It does nothing to entice me either, but I'd be more bothered about the actual car. The problem they have is that, if the car is meh, then they may simply have lost a chunk of the market who habitually buy Jags for the image.
(Not that I'm going to be in the market - our current highly exciting Alhambra is likely to be replaced by an even more exciting van in the next year or so )
Right now, that market has two dominant players, Tesla and Porsche. The former is selling itself as the fastest accelerating car in the world, and selling to mostly American 1/4 mile enthusiasts who like beating McLarens down the strip. The latter is selling to CEOs and track-day enthusiasts who want the best EV possible.
Good luck to Jaguar with either of those markets, starting from five years behind. They’ll need all the luck they can get. There’s only a few thousand Hollywood types who will show any interest in their current marketing campaign, and they’re all people who will expect a free one under some social media contract rather than buy or lease it themselves.0 -
I don't have a high opinion of the leadership abilities of either Cameron or Starmer.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Comparisons are drawn, although they do not really count Boris as a celebrity, between the journalism backgrounds of Boris & Clarkson.OldKingCole said:
On the other hand, Boris Johnson.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
It is also suggested that politics is far more open now, witness Reform's 4 million votes but also that even in the old parties it can be a very short greasy pole. Starmer was MP for just five years before leading his party; Cameron similar.2 -
Nope, no IMF bailout for military adventures. They could conceiveably be bailed out in defeat though.carnforth said:
Would the IMF bail out a country engaged in what Russia is engaged in? And what would happen if they didn't?Sandpit said:
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.
Russia is still pretty much self-sufficient in basics such as food and energy, if there’s the political will to not sell food and oil abroad.0 -
Oh Mandy, so he came and he said he would do it. But they sent him away.Big_G_NorthWales said:William Hague elected as next Chancellor of Oxford University
3 -
Am I missing something with PMQ?
Why was Daisy (LD Deputy Leader?) first, before Kemikaze, or was that just the stars of chance aligning?0 -
Also interesting in light of Kamala's defeat was the notion of bundling beliefs (so that if you think X you must also think Y and Z or you are wrong) especially on the left, and that real voters are not like that, hence huge support for both gay rights and the death penalty. Recently others have said the same.OldKingCole said:
I don't have a high opinion of the leadership abilities of either Cameron or Starmer.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Comparisons are drawn, although they do not really count Boris as a celebrity, between the journalism backgrounds of Boris & Clarkson.OldKingCole said:
On the other hand, Boris Johnson.DecrepiterJohnL said:Jeremy Clarkson For Prime Minister?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ztzpc0eWk
The Rest is Entertainment (not Politics) examines whether a celebrity could become Prime Minister, as Trump has in America.
It is also suggested that politics is far more open now, witness Reform's 4 million votes but also that even in the old parties it can be a very short greasy pole. Starmer was MP for just five years before leading his party; Cameron similar.
What I'd not heard before was Marina's suggestion that inter-class interactions are common in the countryside whereas cities are more stratified. I'd need to think about that.3 -
There may be no British car makers but an awful lot of cars are made here (well, pace the Luton closures just announced).PJH said:
Not really surprising the UK is nowhere, as there are no UK car manufacturers.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.
We are probably better off looking at other industry sectors entirely where we haven't completely sold them off.0 -
The Conservatives were very poor on immigration, as you will have found me saying both at the time and since. However, Conservative Home Secretaries also existed within an ever-growing thicket of laws (May's modern slavery law amongst them) whose increasing use makes operating the immigration system effectively an impossibility. The Tories did fail to grasp the nettle, leave the ECHR, reform the Human Rights Act, repeal the Modern Slavery Act, but would you be a fan of that?bondegezou said:
The Conservative government was, yes, very poor at deporting anyone.Luckyguy1983 said:
They won't leave, because there's an entire legal industry that will use the law (at the taxpayer's expense) to prevent them having to leave. Modern slavery, sudden conversion to Christianity (home country Muslim), realisation of being gay (home country Muslim). Rates of return for visa overstayers are through the floor.williamglenn said:The Canadian government expects 4.9 million people to leave voluntarily when their visas expire.
The UK faces a similar question over the people given visas by Boris Johnson’s government. If they are not renewed then a lot of people will need to leave.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/feds-expect-4-9-million-with-expiring-visas-to-voluntarily-leave-canada-in-next-year
I don't see any actual evidence to back up this claim around visa overstayers making claims around slavery/religion/sexuality in large numbers.
I feel what you're really trying to say is that deportation/returns figures are what they are because Suella Braverman forgot to ask the Home Office to deport people because she's stooopid. Which is glib nonsense.1 -
Here's a prediction: 95% of them won't leave.williamglenn said:The Canadian government expects 4.9 million people to leave voluntarily when their visas expire.
The UK faces a similar question over the people given visas by Boris Johnson’s government. If they are not renewed then a lot of people will need to leave.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/feds-expect-4-9-million-with-expiring-visas-to-voluntarily-leave-canada-in-next-year1 -
What do they do with all their military spending? Any ships in the Red Sea? Likewise Egypt.Sandpit said:
The Saudis just passed a government budget with a $27bn deficit, they’re frantically trying to do Dubai on steroids and need the oil price high.FrankBooth said:
I'm a bit surprised by the Saudis. They can't be happy with Russia cosying up to Iran and perhaps even the Houthis. What are they and Egypt doing about the Red Sea?Sandpit said:
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.
I wonder if they are waiting for Biden to go before pumping more oil?
A lot of the US production, which can be expected to increase this year, also needs prices above around $60 to be viable.
Today’s price is $73 though, so there’s an amount of headroom.0 -
You'd like to think that the people responsible for that report would be sacked but they are more likely to be promoted.Pulpstar said:
What is it like to attend this school?williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.
Pupils attending Whitefield school are happy, well cared for and kept safe. Pupils are
treated with dignity and respect and enjoy positive relationships with adults. Staff
are highly knowledgeable about working with the considerable range of varying
needs.
The school in question is https://www.whitefieldschool.org.uk/ , not to be confused with https://www.whitefield.barnet.sch.uk/1 -
Mostly watching Yemen and Iran.FrankBooth said:
What do they do with all their military spending? Any ships in the Red Sea? Likewise Egypt.Sandpit said:
The Saudis just passed a government budget with a $27bn deficit, they’re frantically trying to do Dubai on steroids and need the oil price high.FrankBooth said:
I'm a bit surprised by the Saudis. They can't be happy with Russia cosying up to Iran and perhaps even the Houthis. What are they and Egypt doing about the Red Sea?Sandpit said:
It’s 10% in a week, interest rates are heading for 30%, and inflation is supposedly 5-6% per month on most average household expenditure. The collapse of the Russian economy has been predicted many times, but it looks closer today than at any point in the past few years.JosiasJessop said:Quite spectacularly, 1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0091 United States Dollar.
This has been quite a collapse over the last few months, and especially the last few days. This *might* be getting to the point where it becomes significant in a larger sense.
A bit of American drilling to get the official oil price down near $50, and Putin’s screwed.
I wonder if they are waiting for Biden to go before pumping more oil?
A lot of the US production, which can be expected to increase this year, also needs prices above around $60 to be viable.
Today’s price is $73 though, so there’s an amount of headroom.0 -
Actually, I think the vast majority will leave.Andy_JS said:
Here's a prediction: 95% of them won't leave.williamglenn said:The Canadian government expects 4.9 million people to leave voluntarily when their visas expire.
The UK faces a similar question over the people given visas by Boris Johnson’s government. If they are not renewed then a lot of people will need to leave.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/feds-expect-4-9-million-with-expiring-visas-to-voluntarily-leave-canada-in-next-year1 -
Bradford.
Does anyone have a handle on how it has improved over the last 20 years or so?
I last spent time there in the 1990s, and it was still auto-hoon central. Driving standards (especially for buses approaching Zebras) were terrible, and that is still so (I am told).
But I saw a presentation yesterday about much work having been done, or being done, over quite a short period of time, in a very wholistic fashion. Especially involving taming or removal of big dual carriageways through the city centre, which is in a dip surrounded by hills - a similar theme to Nottingham. With major effects on air quality, and how it has enabled life outside buildings, for example, to increase due to fewer exhaust fumes blanketing the city centre.
Seems to be impressive.
https://www.future-bradford.co.uk/city-centre/0 -
What's the background here? Is this a demonising report after the problems have been addressed?DavidL said:
You'd like to think that the people responsible for that report would be sacked but they are more likely to be promoted.Pulpstar said:
What is it like to attend this school?williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.
Pupils attending Whitefield school are happy, well cared for and kept safe. Pupils are
treated with dignity and respect and enjoy positive relationships with adults. Staff
are highly knowledgeable about working with the considerable range of varying
needs.
The school in question is https://www.whitefieldschool.org.uk/ , not to be confused with https://www.whitefield.barnet.sch.uk/0 -
The Edison Home in Fort Myers, Fl, is worth a visit. One hundred years ago old Thomas Edison and his neighbour young Henry Ford would chew the fat about the future of the car industry. They were particularly concerned about the rubber supply because British colonies in Malaya had a virtual monopoly which Edison and Ford believed the UK would struggle to defend in the long term. So they embarked on an experiment to a sow a field of Golden Rod to extract latex to make tyres. It didn't work. Whether this means they were far-sighted, alarmist or just plain daft is an exercise for the reader but it illustrates the tricky decisions car industry futurologists often have to make.DecrepiterJohnL said:
There may be no British car makers but an awful lot of cars are made here (well, pace the Luton closures just announced).PJH said:
Not really surprising the UK is nowhere, as there are no UK car manufacturers.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.
We are probably better off looking at other industry sectors entirely where we haven't completely sold them off.2 -
My understanding (and I may have got it wrong, I am simply relying on what was reported on here) is that the BBC has footage of children with special needs being treated in a vile way but that the last inspection report contained the nonsense quoted above. Yet another example of a tick box report that gives (in this case) a dangerously misleading description of what being at the school is like.MattW said:
What's the background here? Is this a demonising report after the problems have been addressed?DavidL said:
You'd like to think that the people responsible for that report would be sacked but they are more likely to be promoted.Pulpstar said:
What is it like to attend this school?williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.
Pupils attending Whitefield school are happy, well cared for and kept safe. Pupils are
treated with dignity and respect and enjoy positive relationships with adults. Staff
are highly knowledgeable about working with the considerable range of varying
needs.
The school in question is https://www.whitefieldschool.org.uk/ , not to be confused with https://www.whitefield.barnet.sch.uk/1 -
Have you not encountered the JoyJoy organisation known as OFSTED?MattW said:
What's the background here? Is this a demonising report after the problems have been addressed?DavidL said:
You'd like to think that the people responsible for that report would be sacked but they are more likely to be promoted.Pulpstar said:
What is it like to attend this school?williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.
Pupils attending Whitefield school are happy, well cared for and kept safe. Pupils are
treated with dignity and respect and enjoy positive relationships with adults. Staff
are highly knowledgeable about working with the considerable range of varying
needs.
The school in question is https://www.whitefieldschool.org.uk/ , not to be confused with https://www.whitefield.barnet.sch.uk/
What is your boggle, citizen?0 -
There's a very good 'Forbidden Engineering' episode covering Fordlândia in Brazil.Alphabet_Soup said:
The Edison Home in Fort Myers, Fl, is worth a visit. One hundred years ago old Thomas Edison and his neighbour young Henry Ford would chew the fat about the future of the car industry. They were particularly concerned about the rubber supply because British colonies in Malaya had a virtual monopoly which Edison and Ford believed the UK would struggle to defend in the long term. So they embarked on an experiment to a sow a field of Golden Rod to extract latex to make tyres. It didn't work. Whether this means they were far-sighted, alarmist or just plain daft is an exercise for the reader but it illustrates the tricky decisions car industry futurologists often have to make.DecrepiterJohnL said:
There may be no British car makers but an awful lot of cars are made here (well, pace the Luton closures just announced).PJH said:
Not really surprising the UK is nowhere, as there are no UK car manufacturers.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.
We are probably better off looking at other industry sectors entirely where we haven't completely sold them off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordlândia
"The land was hilly, rocky and infertile. None of Ford's managers had the requisite knowledge of tropical agriculture. In the wild, the rubber trees grow apart from each other as a protection mechanism against plagues and diseases, often growing close to bigger trees of other species for added support. In Fordlândia, however, the trees were planted close together in plantations, easy prey for tree blight, Saúva ants, lace bugs, red spiders, and leaf caterpillars."2 -
EVs will see off exhaust fumes (if not tyre dust) and – as a pedestrian – am suspicious of pedestrianisation, especially as the graphics show a cyclist there too.MattW said:Bradford.
Does anyone have a handle on how it has improved over the last 20 years or so?
I last spent time there in the 1990s, and it was still auto-hoon central. Driving standards (especially for buses approaching Zebras) were terrible, and that is still so (I am told).
But I saw a presentation yesterday about much work having been done, or being done, over quite a short period of time, in a very wholistic fashion. Especially involving taming or removal of big dual carriageways through the town centre - a similar theme to Nottingham. With major effects on air quality, and how it has enabled life outside buildings, for example, to increase due to fewer exhaust fumes blanketing the city centre.
Seems to be impressive.
https://www.future-bradford.co.uk/city-centre/
And here I can no longer get the electric bus to the pedestrianised town centre to shop at Marks & Spencer because that store has just closed. Sidebar: electric buses are great.3 -
If anyone is bothered...
"I am pleased to announce that our new Chancellor will be Lord Hague of Richmond, having achieved over 50% of the votes in the final stage of the election."
No dice for Mandelson in Oxford.2 -
The Chopemeister General's time has come.Big_G_NorthWales said:
130 mps have asked to speak on the assisted dying bill and it must end within 5 hours
The question is will opponents talk out the bill0 -
When the iPad Pro with a tandem OLED came out I was telling people online that Apple didn't invent it, and there were already Chinese smartphones with tandem OLED screens; as well as Si anode batteries, LIDAR auto-focus etc. The most high-tech phone is generally not from Apple or Samsung. Some crazy bunch of engineers in China is trying to figure out how then can one up some other crazy bunch of engineers in China by being first to ship some new piece of tech. That it results in a very expensive luxury device with a relatively small production runs doesn't matter, being first and the bragging rights is what matters.FrancisUrquhart said:BYD have a million employees now....
Huawei had their a launch event yesterday that none of the Western media covered...everything from phones with functionality that no Western phone has to self driving cars.
https://x.com/TaylorOgan/status/18612733226272444511 -
Identical wording to the email I just got so you must have received the same one. Hague was the hot favourite.Flatlander said:If anyone is bothered...
"I am pleased to announce that our new Chancellor will be Lord Hague of Richmond, having achieved over 50% of the votes in the final stage of the election."
No dice for Mandelson in Oxford.
I wonder what benefit being the chancellor brings. Aside from the prestige. I've not looked at what the stipend is but I assume they don't do it for the money. Maybe it is just the prestige. And being invited to interesting events.0 -
1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0089 United States Dollar.
It's quite fun watching this.1 -
No, we need a domestic industry, even if foreign owned.PJH said:
Not really surprising the UK is nowhere, as there are no UK car manufacturers.Nigelb said:
Most of the manufacturers actually now realise this.Malmesbury said:
I think it fair to say that most of the Western car industry carefully, steadily and effectively screwed the pooch.rottenborough said:
Yep, entirely Ed Milliband's fault that the Chinese are destroying the european car industry.Sandpit said:
Not just a British problem either (although ‘jaguar’ are trying their best).SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
https://x.com/fongern_fx/status/1861027003375206890
VW, profits slump by 64%.
Audi, profits slump by 91%.
BMW, profits slump by 84%.
Mercedes-Benz, profits slump by 54%.
Germany's core industry is staring into the abyss.
A large chunk of this was the determination not to invest in batteries, when it came clear that batteries had won the war to power ZEVs...
But they ceded at least half a decade's head start to the Chinese, for fear of cannibalising their (not for much longer now) lucrative ICE manufacturing business.
One or two are even now making respectable efforts to catch up.
But the UK is pretty well nowhere in any of this.
We are probably better off looking at other industry sectors entirely where we haven't completely sold them off.
Up until recently, our strength was in engine manufacturing (which produced in numbers significantly larger than actual vehicles).
That's going to virtually disappear, this decade.0 -
Probably just chance (as unless leaders are absent, Deputy leader means nothing). Kemi is never on first.MattW said:Am I missing something with PMQ?
Why was Daisy (LD Deputy Leader?) first, before Kemikaze, or was that just the stars of chance aligning?1 -
Revolting weather this morning seems to be giving way to a modicum of brightness in the sky. Such are the micro-happinesses of life in November Britain.1
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He'd be ideal as our man in the USA.Flatlander said:If anyone is bothered...
"I am pleased to announce that our new Chancellor will be Lord Hague of Richmond, having achieved over 50% of the votes in the final stage of the election."
No dice for Mandelson.0 -
Recent recruits must be panicking since Trump's election.
Trump’s return raises questions over future of CIA’s Russian recruitment drive
Intelligence agency has been trying to entice Russians disaffected by invasion of Ukraine but president-elect is likely to want to make an ally of Kremlin
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/27/trumps-return-raises-questions-over-future-of-cia-russian-recruitment-drive
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Probably alleviates the boredom if nothing else, and as you suggest, gets you on some invitation lists.TimS said:
Identical wording to the email I just got so you must have received the same one. Hague was the hot favourite.Flatlander said:If anyone is bothered...
"I am pleased to announce that our new Chancellor will be Lord Hague of Richmond, having achieved over 50% of the votes in the final stage of the election."
No dice for Mandelson in Oxford.
I wonder what benefit being the chancellor brings. Aside from the prestige. I've not looked at what the stipend is but I assume they don't do it for the money. Maybe it is just the prestige. And being invited to interesting events.
Quite pleased it wasn't Dracula.
Must be a first for Wath-on-Dearne.0 -
Has anyone given any thought to how the electricity will be generated to power this new fleet of EV cars that will be tearing up and down the country.
Especially in winter when those batteries will be less efficient and have more demands for the power - lights, heating, demisting etc etc.
A few more offshore wind turbines ?0 -
Though it does mean that all their USD-denominated oil and metal ore exports will go further in paying soldiers and domestic munitions factories.JosiasJessop said:1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0089 United States Dollar.
It's quite fun watching this.2 -
No, Mr Marshall. (known as "Taffy" behind his back).Barnesian said:
Sounds familiar. It wasn't Elwyn Price was it?No_Offence_Alan said:
Reminds me of what the teacher taking us for rugby at school said to me onceTheuniondivvie said:.
Licking shit of a shovel sounds…not good.turbotubbs said:
Have you driven a decent electric? They are lick shit off a shovel.biggles said:
I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:Eabhal said:
The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.algarkirk said:
There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.SandyRentool said:Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.
1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.
2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.
3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.
4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.
Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
" Alan, It doesn't matter if you can run like shit off hot shovel if you haven't got the bloody ball!"
(said in a very Welsh accent)0 -
Kemi channels @ydoethur with those biscuit puns.1
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The footage dates from 2014 to 2017, not recent.DavidL said:
My understanding (and I may have got it wrong, I am simply relying on what was reported on here) is that the BBC has footage of children with special needs being treated in a vile way but that the last inspection report contained the nonsense quoted above. Yet another example of a tick box report that gives (in this case) a dangerously misleading description of what being at the school is like.MattW said:
What's the background here? Is this a demonising report after the problems have been addressed?DavidL said:
You'd like to think that the people responsible for that report would be sacked but they are more likely to be promoted.Pulpstar said:
What is it like to attend this school?williamglenn said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw0e3zjx2lo
CCTV from a school obtained by the BBC shows autistic children being shoved into padded rooms, thrown to the floor, restrained by the neck - or left alone, sitting in vomit.
The footage from Whitefield School in north-east London resembles "torture", one safeguarding expert told us. It shows for the first time the reality of what pupils faced.
Pupils attending Whitefield school are happy, well cared for and kept safe. Pupils are
treated with dignity and respect and enjoy positive relationships with adults. Staff
are highly knowledgeable about working with the considerable range of varying
needs.
The school in question is https://www.whitefieldschool.org.uk/ , not to be confused with https://www.whitefield.barnet.sch.uk/0 -
I can't speak for Oxford, but for Bath I would suggest a bit of prestige and a bit of social responsibility/duty. Current Chancellor is the Duke of Edinburgh. Chancellors advise the Uni leadership, represent the Uni etc. I am led to believe that the current Chancellor was the one who told Glynis Breakwell (the VC on the Premier League salary) that she had to go. Kudos to him if thats true, as she was stuck harder than a limpet in a suoerglue factory.TimS said:
Identical wording to the email I just got so you must have received the same one. Hague was the hot favourite.Flatlander said:If anyone is bothered...
"I am pleased to announce that our new Chancellor will be Lord Hague of Richmond, having achieved over 50% of the votes in the final stage of the election."
No dice for Mandelson in Oxford.
I wonder what benefit being the chancellor brings. Aside from the prestige. I've not looked at what the stipend is but I assume they don't do it for the money. Maybe it is just the prestige. And being invited to interesting events.0 -
Fascinating stuff. Please forgive me if this has already been covered, but does anyone have any recommendations on how best to follow the Irish General Election count when it starts? Is the RTE coverage any good, or is it best to try somewhere else? I am assuming, of course, that I will be able to follow it on the internet somehow, rather than on free TV.1
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Lots of people are giving lots of thought to that. Shedloads more offshore turbines (we should be targeting increasing them at least 5-fold), onshore turbines, way more solar, maintaining and extending nuclear life, a European grid with more interconnectors, gas generation in high demand or low supply periods, smart charging for times when there is surplus electricity instead of making constraint payments, grid scale battery storage.Taz said:Has anyone given any thought to how the electricity will be generated to power this new fleet of EV cars that will be tearing up and down the country.
Especially in winter when those batteries will be less efficient and have more demands for the power - lights, heating, demisting etc etc.
A few more offshore wind turbines ?
The good news is we'll not need to worry so much about bad boys like Putin or MBS or the Houthis ramping up the oil price.8 -
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