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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    I have just watched PMQs.

    Who is advising Badenoch?

    Who thought it a good idea for her to criticise a policy she herself introduced?

    Hapless, hopeless.

    (And her biscuit jokes were woeful).
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    The acceleration on most modern electric cars is devastating.

    This is a function of having a flat torque curve - max torque is available from zero.

    And, to get decent range, regenerative brakes. That is, the motor runs in reverse to put leccy back in the battery. This requires a powerful motor and the ability for the electronics to handle a big current going in/out of the battery.

    This is why a number of electric 4 door saloons are 4 second cars.

    At this point, someone often asks if using a smaller motor would increase range or decrease power usage. The answer is “not really” - electric motors are a fraction of the weight of ICE engines. Making them a bit smaller has next to no effect on overall weight.
    Acceleration is the most effing pointless metric in cars; almost all cars nowadays have an acceleration that is perfectly acceptable for everyday use. Those who obsess about acceleration tend to be rather (ahem) silly.

    (I was saying this before the advent of electric cars, ever since my brother bought one of the first Lotus Elise's.... ;) )
    This is true. A couple of years ago we inherited my mother-in-laws VW Passat. All I knew about Passats before that was the Zoe Williams review that complained about how sluggishly they accelerated. So imagine my surprise when I found that the acceleration was actually much faster than on our previous car, a Skoda Octavia, which I had honestly always enjoyed legitimately flooring it when on a slip road and getting up to speed to join a motorway.

    But for someone why chooses cars on the basis of the vroom potential it will be relevant.
    Sit behind an electric vehicle on a motorway and the instant torque acceleration is very impressive. Sit with your four still on the diesel pedal and half a mile later you'll be sat up the eV backside with the driver pondering what a waste of limited remaining boost they have visably cacking themselves as the miles to the next services count down.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited November 27
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    It has been a wonderful November. I enjoy it anyway as we have 4 birthdays and a wedding anniversary in the month as well as bonfire night and I enjoy the cooking in November in preparation for Christmas. I have already made the pudding and mincemeat and bottled the sloe gin and the Christmas cake is midway through its long journey. Lots of pickle has been made with the apples from my garden, but as mentioned I am having to give the medlars a miss this year. The Stollen will wait until December as it only lasts 1 day at a time; the rest will improve with time.

    My birthday is normally forgotten as it is the last in the long list but this year it has been fantastic. I have received several lovely presents (all doing things, not physical things) and taken friends out for dinner here in Surrey, in Southwold and Cambridge next weekend. In addition I have been treated to a Michelin star meal in Surrey and will have another on Friday in Cambridge and of course on top of that I will have the formal dinner on Sunday.

    I'm enjoying November.

    I would still rather be 30 than 70, but fortunately I am still very fit.

    Maybe you would still be 30 if you didn’t have 4 birthdays in a month. Stick to one a year.
    Birthdays for my son, daughter, wife, then anniversary, then my birthday all in the space of 10 days. The anniversary is definitely my fault. My wife gave me an ultimatum to get married by my 40th birthday. I celebrated it on the flight to the honeymoon. Definitely cut it fine.
    I feel conned out of my 60th birthday celebrations, it was during lockdown.
    My son sent me a nice food hamper but I had to cook the meal myself. Roll on 70!
    Looking at my diary, life around 70 was good. It was only as I passed 80 that bits of me really started going irreparably wrong.
    In Simone de Buevoir's autobiography she wrote something like

    At 35, I felt essentially the same as I did at 25

    At 45, the same as 35. And at 55, the same as 45.

    It was only at 65 that I felt noticably different to how I was a decade before.

    I'm glad that 85 is the new 65.

    Of course, she smoked like a chimney too.
    You look radically different between 5 and 15, and between 15 and 25. But from 25 to 55 you look about the same. But then you "go over" and you look radically different between 55 and 65. And it's all downhill from there. Between 25 and 55 you just need exercise, skincare, dentistry, a good diet, possibly dye. But from 55 onwards you need plastic surgery to look like the same person, and a lot of it as you continue to age.
    Sadly true for me. I looked about 42 until I was 56-7. Indeed I arguably got better looking, age seemed to suit me, plus I got rich (that helps a lot, eg better shoes). Also I learned to work out, albeit not insanely (toning is noticeable)

    Then, ka-boom, Covid and ageing hit all at once. Sigh. I aged easily a decade in 3 years (as did quite a few people over the pando). Now I console myself that I maybe I can pass for 2-3 years below my real age in a kindly light. Also, I do not have deadly ailments like a number of my friends - those that aren't dead already. But as consolations go it's not the best


    Edit to Add, this is REALLY noticeable with Boris Johnson. In the lsst 5 years he's gone from looking like an overweight wastrel of about 49, with a certain charm (OK, visible only to some) to basically looking like his dad at 70
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,720
    edited November 27
    rcs1000 said:

    linto said:

    Selebian said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kenObi said:

    Taz said:

    Has anyone given any thought to how the electricity will be generated to power this new fleet of EV cars that will be tearing up and down the country.

    Especially in winter when those batteries will be less efficient and have more demands for the power - lights, heating, demisting etc etc.

    A few more offshore wind turbines ?

    Lights ? How much juice do you think LED consumes ?

    There is huge grid capacity available between 11:30pm and 6:30AM every day of the year.

    Probably enough to fully charge 7 million cars a week already.

    A more relevant question is what do we do when there no wind.
    We recently had 14 days when our solar panels struggled and the blades on the wind farm in the Irish sea barely turned

    I just do not understand why nuclear and tidal haven't been the same priority
    Because nuclear is extremely expensive, and historically has had poor uptime.

    You want dispatchable power to combine with intermittent power generation - and that makes gas by far the best back up option.
    Just common sense to be fair, but not for the green lobby
    Not sure who this green lobby are, but the CCC have us using gas to deal with intermittency into to the 2050s. I don't think that will be needed - that UK currently has 70GW of battery capacity in development.

    (And on RCS's point, 31GW of solar in development, with 9GW operational at the moment).
    70GW of battery doesn’t make much sense.

    Unless it means 70GWh?
    Surely both measures are relevant - storage capacity and instantaneous power that can be delivered?
    Instantaneous load is pretty meaningless without storage “depth”

    Even at the grid smoothing time scale.
    Aren't we at the pont now where it makes sense to just put panels on every roof instead of tiles since they're cheaper or at least equivalent in cost? I know when I recently re-roofed the solar panels weren't any more expensive than tiles per m2. But you'd also need to add in battery storage etc which adds to the cost since export rates are so poor.
    They appear to be no more expensive than fence panels. Something wrong there, surely.
    Making solar cells is not complex or - when done at scale - particularly expensive.

    The issue right now is that the other costs (installation and inverters) have not come down at the same rate as panels. That is changing.
    Nor has installation!

    Does anyone know what the regs are in the UK for self installation?

    Obviously you can't connect the inverter to the grid but I don't think I'd have a problem setting up a panel array. Make sure you have the right fuses in place depending on serial/parallel arrangement and use the right cable. That's about it really.

    The fact that it might be xxxV DC if you have a few panels in serial is just a bit of added excitement.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    It has been a wonderful November. I enjoy it anyway as we have 4 birthdays and a wedding anniversary in the month as well as bonfire night and I enjoy the cooking in November in preparation for Christmas. I have already made the pudding and mincemeat and bottled the sloe gin and the Christmas cake is midway through its long journey. Lots of pickle has been made with the apples from my garden, but as mentioned I am having to give the medlars a miss this year. The Stollen will wait until December as it only lasts 1 day at a time; the rest will improve with time.

    My birthday is normally forgotten as it is the last in the long list but this year it has been fantastic. I have received several lovely presents (all doing things, not physical things) and taken friends out for dinner here in Surrey, in Southwold and Cambridge next weekend. In addition I have been treated to a Michelin star meal in Surrey and will have another on Friday in Cambridge and of course on top of that I will have the formal dinner on Sunday.

    I'm enjoying November.

    I would still rather be 30 than 70, but fortunately I am still very fit.

    Maybe you would still be 30 if you didn’t have 4 birthdays in a month. Stick to one a year.
    Birthdays for my son, daughter, wife, then anniversary, then my birthday all in the space of 10 days. The anniversary is definitely my fault. My wife gave me an ultimatum to get married by my 40th birthday. I celebrated it on the flight to the honeymoon. Definitely cut it fine.
    I feel conned out of my 60th birthday celebrations, it was during lockdown.
    My son sent me a nice food hamper but I had to cook the meal myself. Roll on 70!
    Looking at my diary, life around 70 was good. It was only as I passed 80 that bits of me really started going irreparably wrong.
    Unfortunately, it can go wrong a lot earlier than that... :(
    Tell me about it... :(
    Yes. In many ways, health-wise, I've been fortunate. Especially when compared with a couple of members of my close family.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    Sandpit said:

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    Even the humble Leaf has pretty brisk acceleration. It's rather satisfying to quietly and smoothly slip in front of some kid vroom vrooming away in his ICE hatchback as you pull away from the lights.
    Perhaps, but that kid is having way more fun than you are, with his manual gearbox, two wheel drive, no nannies like lane assist or stability control. That kid enjoys driving, and he has little interest in an electric toy car.
    Hard to see how that fact that is doesn't go vroom makes it a toy car. Rather the reverse, I'd have thought.

    Edit: FWIW, I used to ride a CBX1000 when I was young. That was a toy, and no car can ever match the fun and exhilaration of a litre motorbike.
    When I was 18 I rode pillion on a Kawasaki 750 round central London. It remains the most physically exhilarating episode of my life. And that's me saying that.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    I have just watched PMQs.

    Who is advising Badenoch?

    Who thought it a good idea for her to criticise a policy she herself introduced?

    Hapless, hopeless.

    (And her biscuit jokes were woeful).

    She really is useless at it. Pre scripted and she clearly doesn't listen to the answer given

    She doesn't need to be set up for the trap, she's totally unprepared.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    I have just watched PMQs.

    Who is advising Badenoch?

    Who thought it a good idea for her to criticise a policy she herself introduced?

    Hapless, hopeless.

    (And her biscuit jokes were woeful).

    She really is useless at it. Pre scripted and she clearly doesn't listen to the answer given

    She doesn't need to be set up for the trap, she's totally unprepared.

    Is she a dud?I haven't been checking

    Oh well, at least the Tories have enough years to dump her without looking too weird. Give her 18 months, if she doesn't shape up, install someone else. Find Mordaunt a seat and tell her to drop ALL the Woke shit
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    Cookie said:

    1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0089 United States Dollar.

    It's quite fun watching this.

    Is this ACTUALLY the Ruble declining, or it the Dollar appreciating?
    The Rouble is heading towards free fall. It is falling as fast against the Euro and other currencies too.
    As someone else said, it's falling similarly against the Euro:
    https://www.xe.com/en-gb/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=EUR

    And interestingly, the Chinese Yuan:
    https://www.xe.com/en-gb/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=CNY
    Elvira Nabiullina, the Governor of the Bank Rossii, was looking pretty grim a few days ago. Interest rates at 21% and set to rise further in December. Meanwhile massive and unsustainable hikes in military spending, the economy overheating and even more sanctions. It looks like they have run out of reserves to defend the currency.

    If the RUR collapses against the Yuan then it could well be game over.
    That is a real concern and what would you expect to follow that event ?
    The Rouble falls apart and they can not pay the bills. China could step in to rescue, but that is quite a risky option.
    Then what happens to Russia and the wider consequences for Europe ?
    Firstly, they go home from Ukraine...

    Assuming they have the fuel for their vehicles. Ukraine will no doubt lay on buses to take them home.
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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    I have just watched PMQs.

    Who is advising Badenoch?

    Who thought it a good idea for her to criticise a policy she herself introduced?

    Hapless, hopeless.

    (And her biscuit jokes were woeful).

    She really is useless at it. Pre scripted and she clearly doesn't listen to the answer given

    She doesn't need to be set up for the trap, she's totally unprepared.

    Are any Conservatives criticising her PMQ efforts?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    The acceleration on most modern electric cars is devastating.

    This is a function of having a flat torque curve - max torque is available from zero.

    And, to get decent range, regenerative brakes. That is, the motor runs in reverse to put leccy back in the battery. This requires a powerful motor and the ability for the electronics to handle a big current going in/out of the battery.

    This is why a number of electric 4 door saloons are 4 second cars.

    At this point, someone often asks if using a smaller motor would increase range or decrease power usage. The answer is “not really” - electric motors are a fraction of the weight of ICE engines. Making them a bit smaller has next to no effect on overall weight.
    Acceleration is the most effing pointless metric in cars; almost all cars nowadays have an acceleration that is perfectly acceptable for everyday use. Those who obsess about acceleration tend to be rather (ahem) silly.

    (I was saying this before the advent of electric cars, ever since my brother bought one of the first Lotus Elise's.... ;) )
    This is true. A couple of years ago we inherited my mother-in-laws VW Passat. All I knew about Passats before that was the Zoe Williams review that complained about how sluggishly they accelerated. So imagine my surprise when I found that the acceleration was actually much faster than on our previous car, a Skoda Octavia, which I had honestly always enjoyed legitimately flooring it when on a slip road and getting up to speed to join a motorway.

    But for someone why chooses cars on the basis of the vroom potential it will be relevant.
    Sit behind an electric vehicle on a motorway and the instant torque acceleration is very impressive. Sit with your four still on the diesel pedal and half a mile later you'll be sat up the eV backside with the driver pondering what a waste of limited remaining boost they have visably cacking themselves as the miles to the next services count down.
    Even the rubbish EV I was driving over the summer was really fun. It's the lack of noise and the smoothness that catches you out. In very remote areas you tend to have range anxiety anyway, so that wasn't an additional issue.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    edited November 27
    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    Cookie said:

    1 Russian Ruble now equals 0.0089 United States Dollar.

    It's quite fun watching this.

    Is this ACTUALLY the Ruble declining, or it the Dollar appreciating?
    The Rouble is heading towards free fall. It is falling as fast against the Euro and other currencies too.
    As someone else said, it's falling similarly against the Euro:
    https://www.xe.com/en-gb/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=EUR

    And interestingly, the Chinese Yuan:
    https://www.xe.com/en-gb/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=CNY
    Elvira Nabiullina, the Governor of the Bank Rossii, was looking pretty grim a few days ago. Interest rates at 21% and set to rise further in December. Meanwhile massive and unsustainable hikes in military spending, the economy overheating and even more sanctions. It looks like they have run out of reserves to defend the currency.

    If the RUR collapses against the Yuan then it could well be game over.
    That is a real concern and what would you expect to follow that event ?
    The Rouble falls apart and they can not pay the bills. China could step in to rescue, but that is quite a risky option.
    I think a much bigger problem for Russia is the extent to which production and distribution of basic foodstuffs has been affected by the war. Putin's desire to shield the youth in St Petersberg and Moscow from conscription has meant that Russia has had to rely on the rural young, and that's having a significant impact on farm production. The prices of fresh vegetables have nearly doubled this year.

    I don't think that's sustainable.
    Nothing about Russia's 40% of GDP on war production is sustainable.

    The Russian economy is heading for a cliff edge. Putin is Wile E Coyote, having strapped himself to a rocket that ploughs straight over that cliff.

    Then lands on him.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    kjh said:

    It has been a wonderful November. I enjoy it anyway as we have 4 birthdays and a wedding anniversary in the month as well as bonfire night and I enjoy the cooking in November in preparation for Christmas. I have already made the pudding and mincemeat and bottled the sloe gin and the Christmas cake is midway through its long journey. Lots of pickle has been made with the apples from my garden, but as mentioned I am having to give the medlars a miss this year. The Stollen will wait until December as it only lasts 1 day at a time; the rest will improve with time.

    My birthday is normally forgotten as it is the last in the long list but this year it has been fantastic. I have received several lovely presents (all doing things, not physical things) and taken friends out for dinner here in Surrey, in Southwold and Cambridge next weekend. In addition I have been treated to a Michelin star meal in Surrey and will have another on Friday in Cambridge and of course on top of that I will have the formal dinner on Sunday.

    I'm enjoying November.

    I would still rather be 30 than 70, but fortunately I am still very fit.

    Pleased to hear it.
    Personally, although my body gets less and less reliable, I would rather be 49 than 30. I have a horrible sense that the approaching Christmas will be the best ever - kids still young enough to be at home and to lean into the spirit if it but old enough to be genuinely good company, parents still hale and hearty. Life really is as good as it gets.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    Even the humble Leaf has pretty brisk acceleration. It's rather satisfying to quietly and smoothly slip in front of some kid vroom vrooming away in his ICE hatchback as you pull away from the lights.
    Perhaps, but that kid is having way more fun than you are, with his manual gearbox, two wheel drive, no nannies like lane assist or stability control. That kid enjoys driving, and he has little interest in an electric toy car.
    Hard to see how that fact that is doesn't go vroom makes it a toy car. Rather the reverse, I'd have thought.

    Edit: FWIW, I used to ride a CBX1000 when I was young. That was a toy, and no car can ever match the fun and exhilaration of a litre motorbike.
    When I was 18 I rode pillion on a Kawasaki 750 round central London. It remains the most physically exhilarating episode of my life. And that's me saying that.
    I was about 50 and wanting a new car. My wife and I went (in our Volvo) past a VW showroom and there was a white Golf GTi convertible.

    We changed our plans forthwith, went in and fell for it. We had it for six or seven years until it was stolen from the car park of the hospital where I was working.

    On one occasion I gave a female colleague a lift.... I was driving with the roof down ..... and another colleague remarked that seeing us drive past had done a lot for my reputation, but turning to my passenger, that 'it had nothing for hers!'
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645
    Andy_JS said:

    I have just watched PMQs.

    Who is advising Badenoch?

    Who thought it a good idea for her to criticise a policy she herself introduced?

    Hapless, hopeless.

    (And her biscuit jokes were woeful).

    She really is useless at it. Pre scripted and she clearly doesn't listen to the answer given

    She doesn't need to be set up for the trap, she's totally unprepared.

    Are any Conservatives criticising her PMQ efforts?
    Yeah. That she is new to it and a bit clunking, but will get better at it as everyone does.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,495
    Eabhal said:

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    The acceleration on most modern electric cars is devastating.

    This is a function of having a flat torque curve - max torque is available from zero.

    And, to get decent range, regenerative brakes. That is, the motor runs in reverse to put leccy back in the battery. This requires a powerful motor and the ability for the electronics to handle a big current going in/out of the battery.

    This is why a number of electric 4 door saloons are 4 second cars.

    At this point, someone often asks if using a smaller motor would increase range or decrease power usage. The answer is “not really” - electric motors are a fraction of the weight of ICE engines. Making them a bit smaller has next to no effect on overall weight.
    Acceleration is the most effing pointless metric in cars; almost all cars nowadays have an acceleration that is perfectly acceptable for everyday use. Those who obsess about acceleration tend to be rather (ahem) silly.

    (I was saying this before the advent of electric cars, ever since my brother bought one of the first Lotus Elise's.... ;) )
    This is true. A couple of years ago we inherited my mother-in-laws VW Passat. All I knew about Passats before that was the Zoe Williams review that complained about how sluggishly they accelerated. So imagine my surprise when I found that the acceleration was actually much faster than on our previous car, a Skoda Octavia, which I had honestly always enjoyed legitimately flooring it when on a slip road and getting up to speed to join a motorway.

    But for someone why chooses cars on the basis of the vroom potential it will be relevant.
    Sit behind an electric vehicle on a motorway and the instant torque acceleration is very impressive. Sit with your four still on the diesel pedal and half a mile later you'll be sat up the eV backside with the driver pondering what a waste of limited remaining boost they have visably cacking themselves as the miles to the next services count down.
    Even the rubbish EV I was driving over the summer was really fun. It's the lack of noise and the smoothness that catches you out. In very remote areas you tend to have range anxiety anyway, so that wasn't an additional issue.
    My SUV has range of 600 miles on a tank, no need to worry about running out ever. Fill up every couple of months or so.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    Even the humble Leaf has pretty brisk acceleration. It's rather satisfying to quietly and smoothly slip in front of some kid vroom vrooming away in his ICE hatchback as you pull away from the lights.
    Perhaps, but that kid is having way more fun than you are, with his manual gearbox, two wheel drive, no nannies like lane assist or stability control. That kid enjoys driving, and he has little interest in an electric toy car.
    Hard to see how that fact that is doesn't go vroom makes it a toy car. Rather the reverse, I'd have thought.

    Edit: FWIW, I used to ride a CBX1000 when I was young. That was a toy, and no car can ever match the fun and exhilaration of a litre motorbike.
    When I was 18 I rode pillion on a Kawasaki 750 round central London. It remains the most physically exhilarating episode of my life. And that's me saying that.
    I was about 50 and wanting a new car. My wife and I went (in our Volvo) past a VW showroom and there was a white Golf GTi convertible.

    We changed our plans forthwith, went in and fell for it. We had it for six or seven years until it was stolen from the car park of the hospital where I was working.

    On one occasion I gave a female colleague a lift.... I was driving with the roof down ..... and another colleague remarked that seeing us drive past had done a lot for my reputation, but turning to my passenger, that 'it had nothing for hers!'
    Lol, yes.

    I have one now actually, a Golf GTI. A red one. It's fabulous.
  • MattW said:

    Reform claiming that they are closing in on 100k members.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/join

    How are the Tories doing?

    So, will Reform be out-leafleting the LDs for next May?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    It has been a wonderful November. I enjoy it anyway as we have 4 birthdays and a wedding anniversary in the month as well as bonfire night and I enjoy the cooking in November in preparation for Christmas. I have already made the pudding and mincemeat and bottled the sloe gin and the Christmas cake is midway through its long journey. Lots of pickle has been made with the apples from my garden, but as mentioned I am having to give the medlars a miss this year. The Stollen will wait until December as it only lasts 1 day at a time; the rest will improve with time.

    My birthday is normally forgotten as it is the last in the long list but this year it has been fantastic. I have received several lovely presents (all doing things, not physical things) and taken friends out for dinner here in Surrey, in Southwold and Cambridge next weekend. In addition I have been treated to a Michelin star meal in Surrey and will have another on Friday in Cambridge and of course on top of that I will have the formal dinner on Sunday.

    I'm enjoying November.

    I would still rather be 30 than 70, but fortunately I am still very fit.

    Pleased to hear it.
    Personally, although my body gets less and less reliable, I would rather be 49 than 30. I have a horrible sense that the approaching Christmas will be the best ever - kids still young enough to be at home and to lean into the spirit if it but old enough to be genuinely good company, parents still hale and hearty. Life really is as good as it gets.
    I pick my 30s because I had the money to enjoy myself. I was more mature. I had quite a few girlfriends and they were older and more mature than those I had in my 20s so great fun. I was also really enjoying my sports of squash, catamaraning, skiing and had enough money to do them all as well as having a go at other things like gliding. I also had a big group of friends who were like minded.

    It is one of the reasons why I discussed with @HYUFD about delaying marriage. It would have been a huge mistake for me to marry in my 20s. Eventually you have to move on though, which I did to the next stage in my life, but I look back with envy.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    biggles said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Good morning. Thanks to the Daily Mail I now know that it is Labour's fault that the EV sales mandates set by the Tories are unachievable.

    There is something distasteful about legislation which fines manufacturers because their customers want, or don't want, to buy particular numbers of a lawful product.
    The trouble is the alternative is some sort of taxation on ICE cars (an effective subsidy for EVs), which most voters would be extremely pissed about. Hence the tax rise on employer NICs rather than income tax, and the incoherent freezing of fuel duty.
    I think the work needs to be done on why people are resistant to move to EVs. Needs a proper survey but speaking for myself:

    1) Nice ones aren’t cheap, especially vs. nearly new normal cars - Gvt can help by subsidising if we want to increase take up.

    2) I am nervous of second hand batteries. More so than of engines. I might need educating.

    3) I am not convinced the recharging infrastructure is in place and don’t want to wait to recharge. Gvt can fix this.

    4) I like powerful cars that go vroom. Gvt cannot fix this.

    Because of number 4 I am unlikely to switch in my lifetime. And I’m only 40.
    I think that's a good list.

    The government cut subsidy too early.

    On the second-hand batteries I would like to see a standard battery test that could be done and could form the basis of an insurance-backed guarantee. I think that would create confidence in second-hand battery electric car sales.

    On the recharging infrastructure this is exactly like home insulation. Governments love to talk about doing it and it never seems to happen in the volume required to make a difference. It's so frustrating because it's so obvious.

    On the vroom, from what I've heard the pickup and acceleration on electric cars can be impressive. Give a good one a test drive and you might surprise yourself and be won over. I've heard from a few people who were sceptical but we're strong converts after direct experience.
    Even the humble Leaf has pretty brisk acceleration. It's rather satisfying to quietly and smoothly slip in front of some kid vroom vrooming away in his ICE hatchback as you pull away from the lights.
    Perhaps, but that kid is having way more fun than you are, with his manual gearbox, two wheel drive, no nannies like lane assist or stability control. That kid enjoys driving, and he has little interest in an electric toy car.
    Hard to see how that fact that is doesn't go vroom makes it a toy car. Rather the reverse, I'd have thought.

    Edit: FWIW, I used to ride a CBX1000 when I was young. That was a toy, and no car can ever match the fun and exhilaration of a litre motorbike.
    When I was 18 I rode pillion on a Kawasaki 750 round central London. It remains the most physically exhilarating episode of my life. And that's me saying that.
    Try flying a hull on a catamaran as high as it will go while out on the wire. I bet that at least matches it. I only wish I could still do it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    edited November 27

    I have just watched PMQs.

    Who is advising Badenoch?

    Who thought it a good idea for her to criticise a policy she herself introduced?

    Hapless, hopeless.

    (And her biscuit jokes were woeful).

    She really is useless at it. Pre scripted and she clearly doesn't listen to the answer given

    She doesn't need to be set up for the trap, she's totally unprepared.

    She is certainly not impressing at PMQs.

    Wonder what @Casino_Royale makes of her leadership so far.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    slade said:

    Another raft of local by-elections tomorrow mainly caused by new MPs resigning their council seats. A fairly simple picture with Lab defences in Barking and Dagenham(x3), Enfield, Fife, Islington, Sheffield, and West Dunbartonshire; together with LD defences in South Gloucestershire and York. Once again no Con defences.

    Of the first thirteen new Labour MPs to resign their council seats, Labour has lost nine of them
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895

    Fascinating stuff. Please forgive me if this has already been covered, but does anyone have any recommendations on how best to follow the Irish General Election count when it starts? Is the RTE coverage any good, or is it best to try somewhere else? I am assuming, of course, that I will be able to follow it on the internet somehow, rather than on free TV.

    The RTÉ coverage will be good, though the count won't start until Saturday and likely won't be complete until Sunday, so I'd expect to be checking in on the live blog on the website rather than watching on TV.

    They normally have a pretty good idea of the result fairly early, because the observers from the parties - known as tallymen - have a well-deserved reputation for working out the result way before the official announcements.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,882
    edited November 27
    This is my slightly bizarre photo quota for the day. Installed by Network Rail (or a predecessor) to replace a level crossing for pedestrians, which may have been a multiuser path. Probably not a bridleway, as a horse would not like that.



    There's probably another one on the other side. It's driven by clearance height for electric mainline rail.

    What do you think? I reckon Network Rail are *so* far from what is possible. That's too energy sapping to be done by manual wheelchairs, and difficult for nonstandard cycles. They are driven like so much by minimum cost to meet legal requirements rather than a practical solution.

    That could be much better with landscaping, or done useable for everyone as an underpass. There are plenty of ways of doing such without serious interruption to the trains.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,882

    rcs1000 said:

    linto said:

    Selebian said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kenObi said:

    Taz said:

    Has anyone given any thought to how the electricity will be generated to power this new fleet of EV cars that will be tearing up and down the country.

    Especially in winter when those batteries will be less efficient and have more demands for the power - lights, heating, demisting etc etc.

    A few more offshore wind turbines ?

    Lights ? How much juice do you think LED consumes ?

    There is huge grid capacity available between 11:30pm and 6:30AM every day of the year.

    Probably enough to fully charge 7 million cars a week already.

    A more relevant question is what do we do when there no wind.
    We recently had 14 days when our solar panels struggled and the blades on the wind farm in the Irish sea barely turned

    I just do not understand why nuclear and tidal haven't been the same priority
    Because nuclear is extremely expensive, and historically has had poor uptime.

    You want dispatchable power to combine with intermittent power generation - and that makes gas by far the best back up option.
    Just common sense to be fair, but not for the green lobby
    Not sure who this green lobby are, but the CCC have us using gas to deal with intermittency into to the 2050s. I don't think that will be needed - that UK currently has 70GW of battery capacity in development.

    (And on RCS's point, 31GW of solar in development, with 9GW operational at the moment).
    70GW of battery doesn’t make much sense.

    Unless it means 70GWh?
    Surely both measures are relevant - storage capacity and instantaneous power that can be delivered?
    Instantaneous load is pretty meaningless without storage “depth”

    Even at the grid smoothing time scale.
    Aren't we at the pont now where it makes sense to just put panels on every roof instead of tiles since they're cheaper or at least equivalent in cost? I know when I recently re-roofed the solar panels weren't any more expensive than tiles per m2. But you'd also need to add in battery storage etc which adds to the cost since export rates are so poor.
    They appear to be no more expensive than fence panels. Something wrong there, surely.
    Making solar cells is not complex or - when done at scale - particularly expensive.

    The issue right now is that the other costs (installation and inverters) have not come down at the same rate as panels. That is changing.
    Nor has installation!

    Does anyone know what the regs are in the UK for self installation?

    Obviously you can't connect the inverter to the grid but I don't think I'd have a problem setting up a panel array. Make sure you have the right fuses in place depending on serial/parallel arrangement and use the right cable. That's about it really.

    The fact that it might be xxxV DC if you have a few panels in serial is just a bit of added excitement.
    Some over on Buildhub have done it.

    You may well be dealing with high voltages - say 420V. And you will not be able to connect it to the mains without the required qualifications, or an electrician to do the checks and make the connection. Said electrician will want some spondulicks.

    If it is all off grid (eg to charge up your car or a separate part-heating system), it is much less controlled.
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