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IIRC the Apprenticeship Levy doesn’t cover degrees though, only trades qualifications. Yes it should be expanded.MattW said:
The irony is that the taxes to pay for it are already raised. Is the Apprenticeship Levy now not up to several billion a year?Sandpit said:
Cool story. Yes we need to see much more of that sort of thing, especially for STEM subjects. Let industry work with universities to tailor courses towards useful skills in their degrees.MattW said:
I think the OU may skew that way. I expect that more general students do not skew very heavily.Sandpit said:
I suspect that those numbers skew heavily to mature students rather than 18-year-olds. What’s needed is for schools to encourage such alternatives, government to incentivise companies to hire degree apprentice students, and for self-study options such as the OU to be significantly cheaper than a regular degree.MattW said:
We do that already as a popular option.Sandpit said:
There needs to be a change of approach to tertiary education. Encourage more degree apprenticeships and self-study options such as the OU, that aren’t three years living away from home and resulting in £50k+ of debt aged 21 or 22.Cookie said:
There are mock elections at schools up and down the country being won by the Greens on the single issue of university fees. Leaning into this could garner a lot of votes from that generation and their parents.BartholomewRoberts said:
The Party needs to find a way to appeal to younger voters and not just pensioners so maybe they could go down the Education, Education, Education route.Theuniondivvie said:
Supreme Make England Great Again, keeping that essential Tory cheesiness.Mexicanpete said:
The MEGA Party. Make England Great Again would be current and capture the mood of a changing world.Theuniondivvie said:
Shame British National Party is already taken.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the Tories elect their second consecutive non white leader (and fourth woman leader) then they should rename themselves as the Progressives as a contrast to the pale, stale, and male Labour party.GIN1138 said:
Isn't "Tory" / "Tories" more of a nickname / term of abuse? The Conservatives don't use "Tory" in any official capacity and I suspect even of they change their name from "Conservatives" people will still use "Tory" as a term of abuse... Lets face it, the name has survived since 1832 lol...TheScreamingEagles said:Tory is a dirty word, they must change their name, says election guru
Sir Lynton Crosby, strategist known as the Wizard of Oz, says whoever wins the Conservative leadership contest needs a change of direction
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-dirty-word-conservative-party-lynton-crosby-k62dl5q7m
The Freedom Party? Some brothers in arms on the continent.
Supreme Make England Great Helping Everyone Achieve Dream Starts
There are hundreds of thousands of students who live at home (quick lookup says around half a million), and the Open University has 200,000 students.
Absolutely agree on industry and Govt and Universities needing to push the alternatives - especially as its nothing new.
Back in the 1980s I did a thin sandwich course, and my Company (Plessey) had an arrangement with the local University for specialist training courses and a sponsorship agreement. A number of our graduate software / hardware engineers had come up through the factory floor, starting at 16 or 18 and working into the Design Areas by the time they were 30.
(Is that one of our rare hypothecated taxes?)0 -
Betfair still isn't certain about the result.
Badenoch 1.07 / 1.12
Jenrick 7 / 18
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Good grief. First one, now a second.
They do love the sound of their own voice, don't they?
Really pointless this.1 -
Based on their faces, I reckon Kemi's won0
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ANNOUNCE IT0
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New Zealand only 122 ahead.
India will win before this bloody nonsense finishes!0 -
Yes we fucking have been waiting.0
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"Sophy Ridge
@SophyRidgeSky
Judging by the faces it looks like Kemi Badenoch has won #famouslastwords
Full result any moment on Sky News"0 -
Thank Gid they shut up Guto Harri0
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This is like the video "Rhubarb" from Eric Sykes in 1969.
Which is not a bad comparison for the contemporary Conservative Party !1 -
It's Kemi.0
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Badenoch 53,806
Jenrick 41,3182 -
Based on facial reactions didn't everyone think that David Miliband had beaten Ed?1
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Kemi backed off the boards. All gone.0
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👍Kemi👍0
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Yay Kemi!!!1
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Quite an emphatic win for the less loony candidate there.
Desperately bad turnout though.
And presumably the people who voted for both were protesting?0 -
Small mercies.0
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Boy did Blackman go on but what a relief
All the very best to Kemi1 -
Around 56% for Kemi0
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Right whens the next one? Any letters gone in yet?5
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72% turnout, he said?ydoethur said:Quite an emphatic win for the less loony candidate there.
Desperately bad turnout though.
And presumably the people who voted for both were protesting?
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Go Kemi!!!
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Yes we Kem!0
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Blackman declares black woman leader.
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The new Tory leader needs to aim the party at people under the age of 60 and to stop going after pensioners.
Something on tuition fees would be a good start.
They’d also need to give up on this w word stuff which people are fed up with.
Perhaps they should also look at how SKS turned it around in only five years for some inspiration.2 -
Look at Jenrick looking close to tears, hahahahahahaha1
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Well done to Andy_JS on his prediction!SandyRentool said:Around 56% for Kemi
Also well done to Roger who at the start of the whole farrago confidently told us it would definitely be a white man.4 -
For an online election that's pretty pathetic.Malmesbury said:
72% turnout, he said?ydoethur said:Quite an emphatic win for the less loony candidate there.
Desperately bad turnout though.
And presumably the people who voted for both were protesting?0 -
Total Tory membership: 131,680 eligible electors.
I was out by a 20k underestimate.
But that's down by nearly a quarter since September 2022.0 -
Well, that's a nice meal out won.
Thanks Kemi!!!0 -
That's for the migrant kids you bastard5
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He still has the face of a loser.Dumbosaurus said:Look at Jenrick looking close to tears, hahahahahahaha
No change there.0 -
Your weekly reminder that I've been on the Kemi bandwagon before anyone else on PB! 😇4
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Why were MPs and Lords canvassed? Why not canvass local councils, NHS suppliers, trades unions and public health experts?WildernessPt2 said:
If there was any kind of evidence of criminal conspiracy I’m pretty sure we won’t be needing a public enquiry.Mexicanpete said:
There are well documented relationships which I wouldn't dare to mention on here. I am sure a public inquiry will reveal the names you need.WildernessPt2 said:
Which friends and family of ministers? If there is a line between them and any fraud corruption, every one of those former ministers will be going to jail for a long time. Do you have any names ?Mexicanpete said:
You are putting words on the page on my behalf. The whataboutary of Labour 's PPE procurement is of no relevance. Millions of taxpayer pounds were spent on faulty PPE, which in itself is a scandal but when allied to the fact this faulty PPE was sold to the NHS at three times the retail price on AliExpress by friends and family of Ministers it is corruption pure and simple.JosiasJessop said:
That is the accusation. But I'd point out we needed an unprecedented amount of PPE, and some/many of those 'experienced NHS procurement organisations' were unable to procure it - they had failed, which was *why* we had to find other methods to get it.Mexicanpete said:
Labour may prove incompetent over the next five years but the PPE fast lanes were venal, unbridled corruption. They were indefensible at the time and they are now.JosiasJessop said:
Labour would have done the same if they'd be in power during the Covid crisis.Mexicanpete said:
Big spending on PPE contracts for friends and family is not one nation Conservatism.WildernessPt2 said:
Boris was the most ‘one nation’ conservative there was. Big spending, irresponsible government.Mexicanpete said:
It's all a bit like Lenny Henry's joke about changing the name of Windscale to Sellafield and nuclear fallout to magic moon beams.TheScreamingEagles said:Tory is a dirty word, they must change their name, says election guru
Sir Lynton Crosby, strategist known as the Wizard of Oz, says whoever wins the Conservative leadership contest needs a change of direction
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-dirty-word-conservative-party-lynton-crosby-k62dl5q7m
The name Conservative is perfectly acceptable if they adopt one nation conservatism narratives, rather than fash-lite nonsense.
Talking of which. I disagree with DavidL (it wasn't me who flagged him) on rescinding the tiresome tourist's red card. This place has been far more civilised since his early bath.
Seriously. They said as much at the time, when they were advocating for unknown companies to get contracts in parliament (and using it as a stick too bash the government with).
And as we've seen with the good Lord Alli's 'donations'; they're not beyond a little personal grift.
The alternative was not to get any PPE, or at least in nowhere near as quick time. Yes, it was immensely wasteful; but I cannot see a way, in those fevered months, we could have got the PPE without waste. There was just too much worldwide demand, and ordinary processes just would not work.
Experienced NHS procurement organisations were left of the list whilst brothers and sisters of Ministers with AliExpress accounts were handed millions of tax pounds.
Labour MPs stood up in parliament and asked, straight-faced, why certain companies were not being asked to supply PPE, as they apparently had loads available. These companies were not, shall we say, established suppliers. Or even, in some cases, very established at all. This was pointed out at the time on here.
You seem to think that, if Labour had been in charge, that those companies would have automagically got the PPE. I'm saying that's rubbish. There was always going to be a large amount of waste, but it was an emergency situation.
Couldn't NHS procurement departments facilitate their own AliExpress accounts to buy faulty PPE?
What happened was all members of parliament and the lords were actively canvassed to forward potential suppliers to a website and email address. And erm, that was it. The notorious pub landlord story was exactly that “hello Mat, you might remember me, I am the custodian at the pub in your constituency, I also run a packaging company, I think it might be possible to convert it to create packaging for vaccines, who do I contact”
At which point Matt responded back with a hi and sent him the web address.0 -
Good luck to Badenoch I say. We need a good opposition.12
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She does at least have a nice voice.
But dear oh dear - 'we don't actually disagree on very much' is a worrying thing to say.0 -
Make apprenticeships degrees. And degrees, apprenticeships.Sandpit said:
IIRC the Apprenticeship Levy doesn’t cover degrees though, only trades qualifications. Yes it should be expanded.MattW said:
The irony is that the taxes to pay for it are already raised. Is the Apprenticeship Levy now not up to several billion a year?Sandpit said:
Cool story. Yes we need to see much more of that sort of thing, especially for STEM subjects. Let industry work with universities to tailor courses towards useful skills in their degrees.MattW said:
I think the OU may skew that way. I expect that more general students do not skew very heavily.Sandpit said:
I suspect that those numbers skew heavily to mature students rather than 18-year-olds. What’s needed is for schools to encourage such alternatives, government to incentivise companies to hire degree apprentice students, and for self-study options such as the OU to be significantly cheaper than a regular degree.MattW said:
We do that already as a popular option.Sandpit said:
There needs to be a change of approach to tertiary education. Encourage more degree apprenticeships and self-study options such as the OU, that aren’t three years living away from home and resulting in £50k+ of debt aged 21 or 22.Cookie said:
There are mock elections at schools up and down the country being won by the Greens on the single issue of university fees. Leaning into this could garner a lot of votes from that generation and their parents.BartholomewRoberts said:
The Party needs to find a way to appeal to younger voters and not just pensioners so maybe they could go down the Education, Education, Education route.Theuniondivvie said:
Supreme Make England Great Again, keeping that essential Tory cheesiness.Mexicanpete said:
The MEGA Party. Make England Great Again would be current and capture the mood of a changing world.Theuniondivvie said:
Shame British National Party is already taken.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the Tories elect their second consecutive non white leader (and fourth woman leader) then they should rename themselves as the Progressives as a contrast to the pale, stale, and male Labour party.GIN1138 said:
Isn't "Tory" / "Tories" more of a nickname / term of abuse? The Conservatives don't use "Tory" in any official capacity and I suspect even of they change their name from "Conservatives" people will still use "Tory" as a term of abuse... Lets face it, the name has survived since 1832 lol...TheScreamingEagles said:Tory is a dirty word, they must change their name, says election guru
Sir Lynton Crosby, strategist known as the Wizard of Oz, says whoever wins the Conservative leadership contest needs a change of direction
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tory-dirty-word-conservative-party-lynton-crosby-k62dl5q7m
The Freedom Party? Some brothers in arms on the continent.
Supreme Make England Great Helping Everyone Achieve Dream Starts
There are hundreds of thousands of students who live at home (quick lookup says around half a million), and the Open University has 200,000 students.
Absolutely agree on industry and Govt and Universities needing to push the alternatives - especially as its nothing new.
Back in the 1980s I did a thin sandwich course, and my Company (Plessey) had an arrangement with the local University for specialist training courses and a sponsorship agreement. A number of our graduate software / hardware engineers had come up through the factory floor, starting at 16 or 18 and working into the Design Areas by the time they were 30.
(Is that one of our rare hypothecated taxes?)
"As someone studying Poetry at Cambridge, what are you gong to take as your minor? - shipyard welding, explosive metal forming or crane operation are popular this year."
"As someone studying shipped welding, what are you gong to take as your minor? Minoan culture, Poetry and Post Rational Discourse are of the moment...."0 -
Mrs Jenrick was looking daggers at Kemi.0
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She's going to have lots of opposition, it goes with being Tory leader.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Good luck to Badenoch I say. We need a good opposition.
Oh, sorry, misunderstanding there.3 -
At last, a non-Oxbridge leader.2
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Fair play and agreedBatteryCorrectHorse said:Good luck to Badenoch I say. We need a good opposition.
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Starmer was at Leeds.rottenborough said:At last, a non-Oxbridge leader.
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It's a pretty stunning personal achievement. Leader at 44.0
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A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.1 -
Did I say something about her being the less loony candidate?
That's ageing faster than my famous comment that Cook was mad to put the Aussies in at Trent Bridge in 2015.1 -
Brevity. I approve!0
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That's the bit everyone says, in every political party. Before hiring the Inquisition to find all those in the party opposed to the new leader and cleanse them, with fire.ydoethur said:She does at least have a nice voice.
But dear oh dear - 'we don't actually disagree on very much' is a worrying thing to say.1 -
Badenoch: 53,806Andy_JS said:Badenoch 53,806
Jenrick 41,318
John Major: 48,662 (1992 General election).
Though to be fair John was restricted to people living in Huntingdon.2 -
If you have two babies in front of you, one with white skin and one with brown skin, and you value the one with white skin more, just because it has white skin, that is racism.Cookie said:
I don't see the problem with this view personally, and nor do I think it is likely to be particularly unusual worldwide (or its equivalent).bondegezou said:
You have a poor memory.Cookie said:
Di you have a link? Because honestly as I recall it it was something to the effect of "I don't want white people to die out".Mexicanpete said:
If you read the final straw post it really was quite disgusting.kamski said:
Oh come on, if you can't get drunk and stoned and complain about Britain not being white enough on pb.com, where the heck CAN you get drunk and stoned and complain about Britain not being white enough?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5005818/#Comment_5005818
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."2 -
If only they'd gone with Party Party.biggles said:
The old Spitting Image joke. “We’ll take the word ‘liberal’ from the Liberal Party and the word ‘party’ from the Social Democratic Party”.Scarpia said:
Originally - at merger - it was Social and Liberal Democrats as a mix of both parties identities, but rather a mouthful so shortened to Liberal Democrats after a couple of yearskle4 said:Why is it always Liberal Democrat and not Democratic Liberal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Liberal_Democratic_parties
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Cracking edition of Soul Music on R4 this morning.0
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It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.BartholomewRoberts said:A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.2 -
Rishi 42, Cameron 39, Hague 36. 44 in the younger half of modern leaders but not unusual.rottenborough said:It's a pretty stunning personal achievement. Leader at 44.
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Would Kemi be our shortest ever Prime minister? As a man who would look up to Rishi Sunak I do take an interest in these things.0
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She looks evil, but it may just be insanity. His wife's gotta be one of the two, right?SandraMc said:Mrs Jenrick was looking daggers at Kemi.
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Team Kemi. Those familiar with the Bobiverse sci-fi series will recognise her as a Crazy Eddie candidate.0
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She’s curious. A bit of an empty vessel today. Lots of attitude. I can see her leading the Tories to third place. Equally I can see her doing well. Not dull.0
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It's good to have an Engineer on top.4
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The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.LostPassword said:
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.BartholomewRoberts said:A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.2 -
Taller than Churchill.FrankBooth said:Would Kemi be our shortest ever Prime minister? As a man who would look up to Rishi Sunak I do take an interest in these things.
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Crazy Eddie was the Motie name for someone who thought they could actually fix things, rather than have a cycle of disaster. Spreading to the whole universe.WildernessPt2 said:Team Kemi. Those familiar with the Bobiverse sci-fi series will recognise her as a Crazy Eddie candidate.
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So depending on when her birthday is, 49 were she to become PM at the first attempt. Probably about the right age range.noneoftheabove said:
Rishi 42, Cameron 39, Hague 36. 44 in the younger half of modern leaders but not unusual.rottenborough said:It's a pretty stunning personal achievement. Leader at 44.
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By far the best option remaining to them. Well done to Badenoch. I don’t know how well she’ll go down with the country at large, but they’ve dodged a bullet with Bobby J.2
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I know. Someone who would think the unthinkable and do the unexpected to achieve what they need to.Malmesbury said:
Crazy Eddie was the Motie name for someone who thought they could actually fix things, rather than have a cycle of disaster. Spreading to the whole universe.WildernessPt2 said:Team Kemi. Those familiar with the Bobiverse sci-fi series will recognise her as a Crazy Eddie candidate.
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If only you had good Enoch back ey?BartholomewRoberts said:A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
The Bad Enoch thing doesn't even work.0 -
"She claims Keir Starmer is discovering the perils of not having such a plan."
Hard to disagree with that.
(Quotation from The Guardian, all errors are there's.)1 -
Fewer votes than Ken Clarke, David Davis and Rishi Sunak.
All of whom lost.0 -
Christ makes SKS look like the lesser of 2 evils0
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It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.7
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😱 BJO you might want to lie down 😱bigjohnowls said:Christ makes SKS look like the lesser of 2 evils
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That sentence really needs a comma 😃bigjohnowls said:Christ makes SKS look like the lesser of 2 evils
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The irony when Boris Johnson talks about Labour being sleaze-ridden0
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Whybigjohnowls said:Christ makes SKS look like the lesser of 2 evils
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Just goes to show, the Conservatives still have an instinct for a winner... In theory Bobby J ticked all the right preconceived notions of Tory members but still a majority of members went for Kemi.numbertwelve said:By far the best option remaining to them. Well done to Badenoch. I don’t know how well she’ll go down with the country at large, but they’ve dodged a bullet with Bobby J.
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My goodness.Dumbosaurus said:
She looks evil, but it may just be insanity. His wife's gotta be one of the two, right?SandraMc said:Mrs Jenrick was looking daggers at Kemi.
I haven't been watching. But if anyone else is wondering about the expression on Mrs. Jenrick's face, have a look at this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/02/tory-leadership-race-kemi-badenoch-robert-jenrick/0 -
Experts? Who needs them!BatteryCorrectHorse said:The irony when Boris Johnson talks about Labour being sleaze-ridden
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Reads like you’re not a fan of Christ.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Whybigjohnowls said:Christ makes SKS look like the lesser of 2 evils
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It's just what you are supposed to say. Like when people say they want unity but their opponent wants division, when in fact the whole point is to divide ourselves up.ydoethur said:She does at least have a nice voice.
But dear oh dear - 'we don't actually disagree on very much' is a worrying thing to say.1 -
I'm not sure it really matters, within reason. What is more problematic is when nearly the whole cabinet is a similar age. I'd like some 65+ and some <40s included.biggles said:
So depending on when her birthday is, 49 were she to become PM at the first attempt. Probably about the right age range.noneoftheabove said:
Rishi 42, Cameron 39, Hague 36. 44 in the younger half of modern leaders but not unusual.rottenborough said:It's a pretty stunning personal achievement. Leader at 44.
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It's the closest margin of victory in a Tory leadership campaign. She won by less than Truss did.dixiedean said:Fewer votes than Ken Clarke, David Davis and Rishi Sunak.
All of whom lost.
This implies that Kemi is right when she says that Jenrick and herself disagree on very little, and there was not much to choose between them. Had Cleverly made the final two there would have been more of a choice for the party to make.0 -
Interesting decision. Probably worth giving Kemi a go. I think Jenrick would simply have been the Tories' Starmer with added nastiness.1
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Indeed.BatteryCorrectHorse said:It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Watching Starmer talk about issues such as “reparations” is going to be hilarious, when there’s an African woman standing opposite him with the opposing view.3 -
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.LostPassword said:
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.BartholomewRoberts said:A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.1 -
Also from that site, a quote from Dan Hannan:Cookie said:
My goodness.Dumbosaurus said:
She looks evil, but it may just be insanity. His wife's gotta be one of the two, right?SandraMc said:Mrs Jenrick was looking daggers at Kemi.
I haven't been watching. But if anyone else is wondering about the expression on Mrs. Jenrick's face, have a look at this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/02/tory-leadership-race-kemi-badenoch-robert-jenrick/
"Kemi Badenoch is the party’s second non-white and third female leader. And you know what? It’s no big deal."
Clearly Liz Truss already being airbrushed from history.6 -
Kemi is a fascinating politician and certainly was the right choiceGIN1138 said:
Just goes to show, the Conservatives still have an instinct for a winner... In theory Bobby J ticked all the right preconceived notions of Tory members but still a majority of members went for Kemi.numbertwelve said:By far the best option remaining to them. Well done to Badenoch. I don’t know how well she’ll go down with the country at large, but they’ve dodged a bullet with Bobby J.
Politics just got a whole lot more interesting
And fantastic the conservatives have elected the 4th female leader and first black woman
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She’s not in my headcanon, that’s for sure.Cookie said:
Also from that site, a quote from Dan Hannan:Cookie said:
My goodness.Dumbosaurus said:
She looks evil, but it may just be insanity. His wife's gotta be one of the two, right?SandraMc said:Mrs Jenrick was looking daggers at Kemi.
I haven't been watching. But if anyone else is wondering about the expression on Mrs. Jenrick's face, have a look at this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/02/tory-leadership-race-kemi-badenoch-robert-jenrick/
"Kemi Badenoch is the party’s second non-white and third female leader. And you know what? It’s no big deal."
Clearly Liz Truss already being airbrushed from history.3 -
What sleazy stuff did he do?BatteryCorrectHorse said:The irony when Boris Johnson talks about Labour being sleaze-ridden
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As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.kle4 said:
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?BatteryCorrectHorse said:
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.LostPassword said:
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.BartholomewRoberts said:A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.2
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