Also from that site, a quote from Dan Hannan: "Kemi Badenoch is the party’s second non-white and third female leader. And you know what? It’s no big deal."
Clearly Liz Truss already being airbrushed from history.
Well, if you can't last longer than a lettuce, you deserve to be airbrushed out lol...
Also from that site, a quote from Dan Hannan: "Kemi Badenoch is the party’s second non-white and third female leader. And you know what? It’s no big deal."
Clearly Liz Truss already being airbrushed from history.
Well, if you can't last longer than a lettuce, you deserve to be airbrushed out lol...
It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Indeed.
Watching Starmer talk about issues such as “reparations” is going to be hilarious, when there’s an African woman standing opposite him with the opposing view.
I would imagine there's a lot of talk about coconuts and house n words on twitter right now, it being the platform it is.
I've said it before, but the changes to the ethnic makeup of the Commons just from 2000 is remarkable.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
She can't, they've gone all in on Nimbyism. It will help gain back some Shire seats, but is a long term error.
Come to think of it wasn't it Jenrick trying to do something about that under Boris, and got thrown under the bus? (Yes there were some issues with the plans, but just giving up was silly given the majority).
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
I was out with an old friend last night, he informed us his 20 something daughter just joined the Tory party. Couldn't offer a rationale explanation for it but there you go, it takes all sorts.
A tory supporting boyfriend?
the vague suggestion was business networking and/or aspirations to get on the gravy train (no sniggering) on what is still a tory run local council
Also from that site, a quote from Dan Hannan: "Kemi Badenoch is the party’s second non-white and third female leader. And you know what? It’s no big deal."
Clearly Liz Truss already being airbrushed from history.
It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Indeed.
Watching Starmer talk about issues such as “reparations” is going to be hilarious, when there’s an African woman standing opposite him with the opposing view.
I would imagine there's a lot of talk about coconuts and house n words on twitter right now, it being the platform it is.
I've said it before, but the changes to the ethnic makeup of the Commons just from 2000 is remarkable.
Yes there’s going to be loads of Labour MPs caught saying something either silly offensive or downright racist.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 3m I think the first thing Kemi Badenoch's team is going to have to do is tackle this narrative she has been left some sort of golden inheritance by Rishi Sunak on the basis of a single post Budget poll...
It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Indeed.
Watching Starmer talk about issues such as “reparations” is going to be hilarious, when there’s an African woman standing opposite him with the opposing view.
I would imagine there's a lot of talk about coconuts and house n words on twitter right now, it being the platform it is.
I've said it before, but the changes to the ethnic makeup of the Commons just from 2000 is remarkable.
The change to the ethnic makeup of tge UK since 2000 is also remarkable. The Commons probably lags it by about, what, 12 years?
I could not imagine why Christ should come into it
Well quite.
PS. Wonder how Badenoch would get along with a Trump or Harris Whitehouse. That being said it’s likely that the next US election will be before the next U.K. GE, so maybe she doesn’t have to worry about that relationship and focus on whoever is next.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
No
It's pointless process.
If you have 6 figures of paperwork and install cladding made of tinder on a building, this is not a reason to double the paperwork.
It's time to reduce the paperwork to a dozen sides of A4. And use the money to hire some inspectors with the power to say "Tear is down and try again. Until you come up with a building that isn't a giant fucking fire lighter."
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 3m I think the first thing Kemi Badenoch's team is going to have to do is tackle this narrative she has been left some sort of golden inheritance by Rishi Sunak on the basis of a single post Budget poll...
Well that will be bloody easy to do, no one serious would genuinely push that as a narrative. Oh right, Dan Hodges.
I could not imagine why Christ should come into it
Well quite.
PS. Wonder how Badenoch would get along with a Trump or Harris Whitehouse. That being said it’s likely that the next US election will be before the next U.K. GE, so maybe she doesn’t have to worry about that relationship and focus on whoever is next.
She’s friends with Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who might be a GOP candidate in 2028. He had a terrible campaign last year though.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
No
It's pointless process.
If you have 6 figures of paperwork and install cladding made of tinder on a building, this is not a reason to double the paperwork.
It's time to reduce the paperwork to a dozen sides of A4. And use the money to hire some inspectors with the power to say "Tear is down and try again. Until you come up with a building that isn't a giant fucking fire lighter."
There’s a balance but I’ve long gone past caring if things look a bit naff if people have a place to live.
It’s like this stuff about pylons. Who cares how they look. They already exist. Just build them.
It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Indeed.
Watching Starmer talk about issues such as “reparations” is going to be hilarious, when there’s an African woman standing opposite him with the opposing view.
I would imagine there's a lot of talk about coconuts and house n words on twitter right now, it being the platform it is.
I've said it before, but the changes to the ethnic makeup of the Commons just from 2000 is remarkable.
Yes there’s going to be loads of Labour MPs caught saying something either silly offensive or downright racist.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
People over think this. It’s also just that the political wheel has turned in Canada. Corbyn could have won here this year. Eventually it’s just your “turn”.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
But that's down by nearly a quarter since September 2022.
Has Tory membership EVER been that low? Because since members were allowed to vote for Leader (2001), membership's more than halved
So where will they get their candidates from in 2028/2029? And how many activists will there be to do all the things Tory activists used to do back in the days Tory when activism dominated daily life in most of the country?
Face it: By 2028, there'll be no Tory party. And with Farage self-destroying as he always does, there'll be nowhere for Tories to go.
So the outcome's simple to predict. Starmer (or another Labour MP) will be back in four or five years for another term,, while the LibDems lead the kind of sane but robust Opposition Starmer needs
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
People over think this. It’s also just that the political wheel has turned in Canada. Corbyn could have won here this year. Eventually it’s just your “turn”.
It isn’t going to be Badenoch’s turn into 2029 if she doesn’t do anything to change the party.
Frankly I think the Tory hopes in 2029 are virtually zero but if the Tories want to do anything they will need to offer an alternative then.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
Actually, they are planning, regulation, and housing. The first two could be ameliorated at very little cost, and enormous economic benefit. But that would take a government who had a clue. We've not had one of those in a long time.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
People over think this. It’s also just that the political wheel has turned in Canada. Corbyn could have won here this year. Eventually it’s just your “turn”.
There is something in that, certainly, but you do still need to take advantage of the situation through positive actions, there's push and pull factors.
Definitely it is possible to win by being super cautious and vague, relying on the push factors from an incompetent longstanding incumbent, but you have an better shot at a big win if you simultaneously make yourself more attractive to potential voters by addressing some of their concerns.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
Russia, climate adaptation, and regaining social consent for immigration. Housing is a relative doddle.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Indeed.
Watching Starmer talk about issues such as “reparations” is going to be hilarious, when there’s an African woman standing opposite him with the opposing view.
I would imagine there's a lot of talk about coconuts and house n words on twitter right now, it being the platform it is.
I've said it before, but the changes to the ethnic makeup of the Commons just from 2000 is remarkable.
Yes there’s going to be loads of Labour MPs caught saying something either silly offensive or downright racist.
I give you 5/1 on that. Inside the first week.
I’ll take a charity tenner at your 5/1, that a Labour MP making a racist remark about Kemi is reported on BBC News website before this time next week.
You can give your £50 to my brother’s Movember fund, his wife of six years had never seen him without a beard until yesterday!
But that's down by nearly a quarter since September 2022.
Has Tory membership EVER been that low? Because since members were allowed to vote for Leader (2001), membership's more than halved
Which is hilarious when you consider letting Members vote on the Leader was probably suggested as a way to encourage more people to join or remain in the party.
It's the way of the world, joining a political party is now something only really unusual people do. Labour expanded quite a bit under Corbyn and the SNP were probably closest to the old school large memberships following the Indyref, but these are temporary blips.
I suppose it is true in the sense that the Tories have once again elected a Tory as their leader, and that will not change (unless they capitulate to the Farage fanboys in their ranks).
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The Tories have made it harder to remove new leader Kemi Badenoch.
Sir Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 committee tells me for @GBNEWS that the threshold to trigger a vote of no confidence has been secretly increased from 15pc to 33 pc of the Parliamentary party.
This means that 40 MPs will be needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Badenoch, rather than 18 MPs under the old 15pc rule. The change was made at a private meeting of the 1922's executive last Wednesday.
But that's down by nearly a quarter since September 2022.
Has Tory membership EVER been that low? Because since members were allowed to vote for Leader (2001), membership's more than halved
So where will they get their candidates from in 2028/2029? And how many activists will there be to do all the things Tory activists used to do back in the days Tory when activism dominated daily life in most of the country?
Face it: By 2028, there'll be no Tory party. And with Farage self-destroying as he always does, there'll be nowhere for Tories to go.
So the outcome's simple to predict. Starmer (or another Labour MP) will be back in four or five years for another term,, while the LibDems lead the kind of sane but robust Opposition Starmer needs
I'm not sure.
They never really counted them countrywide.
There have been previous claims, but no data,
A factor is that current membership is £39, which is quite a lot. One possibility is that they could go for something like a £1 under-30 membership, but that will only deliver real political benefit once there are at least some identified and consistent values and principles in place.
The Tories have made it harder to remove new leader Kemi Badenoch.
Sir Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 committee tells me for @GBNEWS that the threshold to trigger a vote of no confidence has been secretly increased from 15pc to 33 pc of the Parliamentary party.
This means that 40 MPs will be needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Badenoch, rather than 18 MPs under the old 15pc rule. The change was made at a private meeting of the 1922's executive last Wednesday.
The Tories have made it harder to remove new leader Kemi Badenoch.
Sir Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 committee tells me for @GBNEWS that the threshold to trigger a vote of no confidence has been secretly increased from 15pc to 33 pc of the Parliamentary party.
This means that 40 MPs will be needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Badenoch, rather than 18 MPs under the old 15pc rule. The change was made at a private meeting of the 1922's executive last Wednesday.
The Tories have made it harder to remove new leader Kemi Badenoch.
Sir Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 committee tells me for @GBNEWS that the threshold to trigger a vote of no confidence has been secretly increased from 15pc to 33 pc of the Parliamentary party.
This means that 40 MPs will be needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Badenoch, rather than 18 MPs under the old 15pc rule. The change was made at a private meeting of the 1922's executive last Wednesday.
You get that a lot with 'secret' plans, 'stealth' tax rises, 'leaked' plans which are actually just published somewhere. Media just love to make things more dramatic.
And do they expect meetings of the 1992's executive committee to be livestreamed or something?
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
People over think this. It’s also just that the political wheel has turned in Canada. Corbyn could have won here this year. Eventually it’s just your “turn”.
It isn’t going to be Badenoch’s turn into 2029 if she doesn’t do anything to change the party.
Frankly I think the Tory hopes in 2029 are virtually zero but if the Tories want to do anything they will need to offer an alternative then.
Nah. As I say, people over think this. One terms Governments are rare (and even more rare with a stonking majority the first time) so the Tories should have no chance whatever they do. That they have some chance is because of Starmer’s low starting score and the scope to attract non-Labour voters, mostly from Reform, and often quite low hanging fruit if she goes for a 35% strategy.
This “you must change and move to the perceived centre” advice, dispensed to Tories and Labour when they lose is usually nonsense.
Smith would have won well from the left in ‘97 and Davis could have got Cameron’s score in 2010 from the right (albeit coalition might have be trickier to agree). Corbyn would have won in 2024.
The “change the party” stuff overstates the ability of the parties to change anything.
I suppose it is true in the sense that the Tories have once again elected a Tory as their leader, and that will not change (unless they capitulate to the Farage fanboys in their ranks).
Incapable of change by electing the first ever black woman to lead a UK party?
I suppose it is true in the sense that the Tories have once again elected a Tory as their leader, and that will not change (unless they capitulate to the Farage fanboys in their ranks).
Incapable of change by electing the first ever black woman to lead a UK party?
But still a Tory. Until they elect a Labour Party member as their leader, have the Tories really changed?
A summer of conservative chaos? What on earth are they talking about?
I've been surprised at the lack of chaos from the Tories - frankly perhaps they should have acted as though more in a panic, after the drubbing they received.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Mass social house building. Call it council housing if you want. With a staggered rent to own option. The chancellor has just loosened the infrastructure capital build strings. Use it to build five million houses
It will be interesting to see if the "Kemi-Kaze car" sheds rhetorical wheels in various directions, and whether that will matter at all.
Given that Saturday is even-more-off-topic day, I'm reminded of this bluegrass (TBF may be slightly more old time) Gospel song: "Flying by the Seat of Your Pants." Will she do that, or is there a Plan?
Films of ancient aircraft, and lots of nice finger picking. I can't quite decide whether it is banjo, mandolin or something else.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
People over think this. It’s also just that the political wheel has turned in Canada. Corbyn could have won here this year. Eventually it’s just your “turn”.
It isn’t going to be Badenoch’s turn into 2029 if she doesn’t do anything to change the party.
Frankly I think the Tory hopes in 2029 are virtually zero but if the Tories want to do anything they will need to offer an alternative then.
Nah. As I say, people over think this. One terms Governments are rare (and even more rare with a stonking majority the first time) so the Tories should have no chance whatever they do. That they have some chance is because of Starmer’s low starting score and the scope to attract non-Labour voters, mostly from Reform, and often quite low hanging fruit if she goes for a 35% strategy.
This “you must change and move to the perceived centre” advice, dispensed to Tories and Labour when they lose is usually nonsense.
Smith would have won well from the left in ‘97 and Davis could have got Cameron’s score in 2010 from the right (albeit coalition might have be trickier to agree). Corbyn would have won in 2024.
The “change the party” stuff overstates the ability of the parties to change anything.
Whilst they dont necessarily need to move left or right they do need something a bit more coherent and less factional within their own party. If you voted conservative last couple of elections you could have ended up with Trussite "boldness", spreadsheet Rishi, an anti-woke agenda or Boris and cake. It is quite unlikely anyone is really in favour of all of those flavours. And voters hate a divided party, for good reason.
Badenoch is value, probability-wise, but still unbackable IMO due to the time to settlement.
If you think she will get off to a good start (or Labour a bad one) you could easily be able to lay off at 3 within the next year and get your stake back. Settlement is less relevant on a liquid exchange market.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The last Conservative politicians who impressed me were Steve Baker and (don't laugh) JRM, who both exhibited the capacity to analyse and act necessary for politics. That's not to say I agreed with them, it is to say that I could follow their arguments and found them to be relevant. Kemi isn't stupid - she has a computer science degree - but I think she's more gut than head.
Badenoch is value, probability-wise, but still unbackable IMO due to the time to settlement.
The Boris and Farage odds are bonkers. And Boris should be more likely than Farage, albeit quite unlikely himself.
I disagree. They are the only ones who have shown themselves capable of putting together a coalition of the right. I doubt Kemi will be up to the challenge and a leadership contest around 2027 would be plausible for either Boris or Farage.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The last Conservative politicians who impressed me were Steve Baker and (don't laugh) JRM, who both exhibited the capacity to analyse and act necessary for politics. That's not to say I agreed with them, it is to say that I could follow their arguments and found them to be relevant. Kemi isn't stupid - she has a computer science degree - but I think she's more gut than head.
she did bugger all as a minster, more interested in promoting culture war shite
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The last Conservative politicians who impressed me were Steve Baker and (don't laugh) JRM, who both exhibited the capacity to analyse and act necessary for politics. That's not to say I agreed with them, it is to say that I could follow their arguments and found them to be relevant. Kemi isn't stupid - she has a computer science degree - but I think she's more gut than head.
She is also a LAWYER.
(Though I can't see any reason why she would have done it, other than people believe it is beneficial for more generalist positions.)
Narunder Kaur who for some reason pops up in my tweets now and then is first out of the gate for tweets she’ll regret. A “blackface puppet”.
Only took a few minutes.
People have been storing up their unique and totally not racist 'insights' for just this moment.
Had to counterbalance that deisre against the chance to say 'of course the Tory Members voted against the non-white candidate, just like they did last time'.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The last Conservative politicians who impressed me were Steve Baker and (don't laugh) JRM, who both exhibited the capacity to analyse and act necessary for politics. That's not to say I agreed with them, it is to say that I could follow their arguments and found them to be relevant. Kemi isn't stupid - she has a computer science degree - but I think she's more gut than head.
she did bugger all as a minster, more interested in promoting culture war shite
Promoting culture war? Isn’t that a bit like accusing Ukraine of promoting a war against Putin when they realized he’s marching half way to their capital and they need to start mobilizing the troops?
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The last Conservative politicians who impressed me were Steve Baker and (don't laugh) JRM, who both exhibited the capacity to analyse and act necessary for politics. That's not to say I agreed with them, it is to say that I could follow their arguments and found them to be relevant. Kemi isn't stupid - she has a computer science degree - but I think she's more gut than head.
I couldn't follow JRM's arguments because he was an unprincipled revolutionary who cloaked his revolutionary ideas (such as the idea the MPs had no right to remove a leader, despite previously arguing a leader winning a vote of confidence should go because they did not win by enough) with the pretence of constitutionalism.
Right, so the thing is, are we going to get any decent by-elections out of this? Will there be a general clearing of the decks, with some of the old guard going off to spend more time with their money? Can anyone really see Rishi Sunak hanging around on the backbenches?
Right, so the thing is, are we going to get any decent by-elections out of this? Will there be a general clearing of the decks, with some of the old guard going off to spend more time with their money? Can anyone really see Rishi Sunak hanging around on the backbenches?
He could do a Gordon Brown and stick it out, but half arse it while he focused on other things.
A result that seems to have united PB as being the right result.
If only because the one person worse than Bad Enoch is Paint over Mickey Mouse Jenrick.
It will be interesting to see what the key message is that she tries to communicate to the public.
The problem as Sunak found is that without Brexit there is little to unite the 2019 coalition.
Going after Reform voters will not work in my view.
Hence why I said she needs to re-orient the party towards “working people” under the age of 60. There are votes to be won there.
Going after the grey vote is understandably tempting, it votes more after all, and can really punish you if they take against you. But you do need to make inroads lower down if you are to have a longterm chance. Isn't that what the Canadian Tory leader has done?
That's advice for left and right btw, so I hope it is acceptable.
As best I can work out the Canadian guy has gone after housing.
Badenoch would be wise to do the same.
The three largest issues facing the country are housing, housing, and planning.
The issue Badenoch will face on housing is her party being utterly opposed to doing anything about planning.
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
Gove had good ideas but was shut down by the NIMBYs in the party, who mostly lost to the Lib Dems anyway.
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
Gove also helped draft the worst piece of property relayed legislation ever written so said my solicitor friend.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
The last Conservative politicians who impressed me were Steve Baker and (don't laugh) JRM, who both exhibited the capacity to analyse and act necessary for politics. That's not to say I agreed with them, it is to say that I could follow their arguments and found them to be relevant. Kemi isn't stupid - she has a computer science degree - but I think she's more gut than head.
she did bugger all as a minster, more interested in promoting culture war shite
Promoting culture war? Isn’t that a bit like accusing Ukraine of promoting a war against Putin when they realized he’s marching half way to their capital and they need to start mobilizing the troops?
not really, some things ARE a war, some things are not, and Kemi would be wise to realise that
I suppose it is true in the sense that the Tories have once again elected a Tory as their leader, and that will not change (unless they capitulate to the Farage fanboys in their ranks).
Incapable of change by electing the first ever black woman to lead a UK party?
But still a Tory. Until they elect a Labour Party member as their leader, have the Tories really changed?
The Tories have made it harder to remove new leader Kemi Badenoch.
Sir Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 committee tells me for @GBNEWS that the threshold to trigger a vote of no confidence has been secretly increased from 15pc to 33 pc of the Parliamentary party.
This means that 40 MPs will be needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Badenoch, rather than 18 MPs under the old 15pc rule. The change was made at a private meeting of the 1922's executive last Wednesday.
It's probably not as stupid as it sounds, but I am still a sucker for taking cheap shots like this myself.
Bit like the famous warning on a packet of peanuts.
"May contain nuts"
EDIT: Though, to be fair, I've found a number of top end steak places do really excellent salads. The thinking apparently is "He goes there for the 18oz T-Bone. She has the salad."
It’s also a huge moment to have a female and black leader of a party. That’s credit to the Tories.
Er, nah. I voted Kemi because she's Kemi.
I'm really tired of the first and first stuff, and so I think is everyone else.
We judge people as individuals.
Sure, and I think that's genuinely true (it's why there are many many non-white MPs representing deep rural adn very white seats), but the party is definitely going to want to note the situation.
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I've said it before, but the changes to the ethnic makeup of the Commons just from 2000 is remarkable.
Come to think of it wasn't it Jenrick trying to do something about that under Boris, and got thrown under the bus? (Yes there were some issues with the plans, but just giving up was silly given the majority).
So there is a wide open goal for Starmer here but if he misses then Badenoch has her opening.
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I think the first thing Kemi Badenoch's team is going to have to do is tackle this narrative she has been left some sort of golden inheritance by Rishi Sunak on the basis of a single post Budget poll...
PS. Wonder how Badenoch would get along with a Trump or Harris Whitehouse. That being said it’s likely that the next US election will be before the next U.K. GE, so maybe she doesn’t have to worry about that relationship and focus on whoever is next.
- no killer instinct
- no liking for freebies
- tolerance for internal traitors
- no ability to be two-faced, insincere or hypocritical when necessary
He'd be lucky to hold the safest of seats.
It's pointless process.
If you have 6 figures of paperwork and install cladding made of tinder on a building, this is not a reason to double the paperwork.
It's time to reduce the paperwork to a dozen sides of A4. And use the money to hire some inspectors with the power to say "Tear is down and try again. Until you come up with a building that isn't a giant fucking fire lighter."
https://www.flgov.com/2023/11/14/governor-ron-desantis-joined-by-uk-secretary-of-state-kemi-badenoch-to-formally-expand-floridas-business-partnerships-with-britain/
It’s like this stuff about pylons. Who cares how they look. They already exist. Just build them.
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We should also take a minute to enjoy Jenrick losing.
Could not have more cynically attuned his campaign to the prejudices of his electorate and he lost anyway.
LOL.
https://bsky.app/profile/samfr.bsky.social/post/3l7xkrkmdtf2w
Time to do the right thing, there’s more than four years until the next election.
I mean, have you ever met a third world money exchange guy? Gentle, philosophical and relaxed is not really their thing.
So where will they get their candidates from in 2028/2029? And how many activists will there be to do all the things Tory activists used to do back in the days Tory when activism dominated daily life in most of the country?
Face it: By 2028, there'll be no Tory party. And with Farage self-destroying as he always does, there'll be nowhere for Tories to go.
So the outcome's simple to predict. Starmer (or another Labour MP) will be back in four or five years for another term,, while the LibDems lead the kind of sane but robust Opposition Starmer needs
Frankly I think the Tory hopes in 2029 are virtually zero but if the Tories want to do anything they will need to offer an alternative then.
The first two could be ameliorated at very little cost, and enormous economic benefit.
But that would take a government who had a clue. We've not had one of those in a long time.
Definitely it is possible to win by being super cautious and vague, relying on the push factors from an incompetent longstanding incumbent, but you have an better shot at a big win if you simultaneously make yourself more attractive to potential voters by addressing some of their concerns.
But overall I rate Gove as a skilled operator.
The best the Tories had were Gauke and Stewart. Both gone.
Harris 48 ( - )
Trump 48 (-1)
You can give your £50 to my brother’s Movember fund, his wife of six years had never seen him without a beard until yesterday!
It's the way of the world, joining a political party is now something only really unusual people do. Labour expanded quite a bit under Corbyn and the SNP were probably closest to the old school large memberships following the Indyref, but these are temporary blips.
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-leadership-latest-kemi-badenoch-robert-jenrick-budget-politics-live-12593360#8549636
Badenoch 4.3
Farage 9.4
Reeves 11
Rayner 23
Johnson 23
Streeting 26
Phillipson 48
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/uk-next-prime-minister/prime-minister-after-keir-starmer-betting-1.230434795
I suppose it is true in the sense that the Tories have once again elected a Tory as their leader, and that will not change (unless they capitulate to the Farage fanboys in their ranks).
Loki : Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer.
Sir Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 committee tells me for @GBNEWS that the threshold to trigger a vote of no confidence has been secretly increased from 15pc to 33 pc of the Parliamentary party.
This means that 40 MPs will be needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in Badenoch, rather than 18 MPs under the old 15pc rule.
The change was made at a private meeting of the 1922's executive last Wednesday.
https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1852680081602159061
They never really counted them countrywide.
There have been previous claims, but no data,
A factor is that current membership is £39, which is quite a lot. One possibility is that they could go for something like a £1 under-30 membership, but that will only deliver real political benefit once there are at least some identified and consistent values and principles in place.
IMO they need an intelligentsia, for one thing.
And do they expect meetings of the 1992's executive committee to be livestreamed or something?
Badenoch 53,806 (56.52%)
Jenrick 41,388 (43.48%)
This “you must change and move to the perceived centre” advice, dispensed to Tories and Labour when they lose is usually nonsense.
Smith would have won well from the left in ‘97 and Davis could have got Cameron’s score in 2010 from the right (albeit coalition might have be trickier to agree). Corbyn would have won in 2024.
The “change the party” stuff overstates the ability of the parties to change anything.
In the Conference speech Badenoch said:
' ...And this is not just because of the mistakes Labour are making – and they are making many mistakes.
It's because of the mistakes that we made.
... we ended up mired in scandal, unable to deliver on our promises and fundamentally distrusted.
It's time for something different.'
'I intend to play the ball, not the man.'
Wilson, on hearing of Home's appointment:
'After half a century of democratic progress the whole thing has been brought to a halt by elevating a 14th Earl.'
Home, response:
'Mr Wilson is the 14th Mr Wilson.'
Given that Saturday is even-more-off-topic day, I'm reminded of this bluegrass (TBF may be slightly more old time) Gospel song: "Flying by the Seat of Your Pants." Will she do that, or is there a Plan?
Films of ancient aircraft, and lots of nice finger picking. I can't quite decide whether it is banjo, mandolin or something else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdWkVA-VBs
The performer is one Don Franciso, who is still in harness at the age of 78.
Have a good day all.
The Tory Party have elected their new leader, white nationalist Kemi Badenoch.
https://nitter.poast.org/EsheruKwaku/status/1852671484998684860#m
(Though I can't see any reason why she would have done it, other than people believe it is beneficial for more generalist positions.)
Had to counterbalance that deisre against the chance to say 'of course the Tory Members voted against the non-white candidate, just like they did last time'.
Times (UK)/ YouGov battleground state polls
(10/25-10/30)
https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/1852447512457568734
The Old Testament Jehovah would have made a much better party leader:
- spiteful
- malicious
- megalomanic delusions of grandeur
- determined to make the law for everyone
- demanding freebies ("sacrifices") all the time
In fact rather over-qualified if anything
I'm really tired of the first and first stuff, and so I think is everyone else.
We judge people as individuals.
"May contain nuts"
EDIT: Though, to be fair, I've found a number of top end steak places do really excellent salads. The thinking apparently is "He goes there for the 18oz T-Bone. She has the salad."