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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,714
    edited July 2024
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss tells Fox news Kamala Harris is not qualified to lead America

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1816167815759491145

    Kamala Harris told me that Liz Truss was the shittest PM the UK has ever had.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,254
    ydoethur said:

    There's just no word for what Truss is.
    It's a particularly stupid opinion as Harris has been VP with essentially no significant issue for over three years now. That's as good as you can get for being qualified to do the job short of already having held the job. Hell if you believe the loopier MAGA-GOP (who Truss is now clearly adjacent to) Harris and the Cabinet have been running things since Biden became too infirm to do so.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,644
    edited July 2024

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    Oh I know. It is quite Kafkaesque. I once helped. (advised) a British Citizen relative who relocated back here after decades in Africa get a bank account. It was not easy.

    Same with all those laws that try and turn landlords and employers into immigration officials.

    Wouldn't mind so much if these things worked, but all they do is make life harder for honest citizens (and sometimes involve them in Kafkaesque nightmares) while the criminals soon find ways round it.
    When my bit of International Megacorp was sold to Global Megacorp, I was unable to prove to HR's satisfaction my right to work in Britain, despite having been born here and never having lived abroad. Eventually they got bored and decided my right to work must have been TUPE'd across. As you say Kafkaesque.

    And that's betting without being debanked for no clear reason.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852
    DougSeal said:

    The exquisite judgment of Liz Truss is exactly what America has been looking for.
    To be fair her judgement is better than many recent judgements by their own courts.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 439
    edited July 2024

    In Nepal, we went to a forge to watch them making Kukris.

    The source metal was leaf springs from ancient Mercedes trucks.
    Gosh, How Authentic!

    I recall trekking days into the interior of Ethiopia and stumbling upon a meeting of orthodox Axiumite monks, returning from prayers, high up a mountain.

    I felt incredibly honoured when they shared with me their beer, from a secret, quasi-biblical recipe.

    A monk handed me a cloudy mixture, swirling around a rusty tin of nestle infant milk-formula.

    Kinda spoiled it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852
    glw said:

    It's a particularly stupid opinion as Harris has been VP with essentially no significant issue for over three years now. That's as good as you can get for being qualified to do the job short of already having held the job. Hell if you believe the loopier MAGA-GOP (who Truss is now clearly adjacent to) Harris and the Cabinet have been running things since Biden became too infirm to do so.
    Whereas Liz Truss repeatedly demonstrated at both agriculture and the Foreign Office that she was unfit to run a whelk stall.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,644

    Beto O'Rourke - He was the future once....
    Beto was the KLOBUCHAR of his generation.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.
  • Kamala Harris told me that Liz Truss was the shittest PM the UK has ever had.
    She knows who Truss is, then? That's a hell of a result for Liz - fair play to her.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,161

    Beto was the KLOBUCHAR of his generation.
    Klobuchar could be a dark horse for VP? An all-female ticket to emphasise the difference with Trump-Vance.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852
    edited July 2024

    She knows who Truss is, then? That's a hell of a result for Liz - fair play to her.
    Even Tim Farron knew who Liz Truss was.

    The party activist who secured the Liberal Democrats their best election result in the age of universal suffrage.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss tells Fox news Kamala Harris is not qualified to lead America

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1816167815759491145

    Oh dear - will someone exile Truss to irrelevance immediately
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852

    Oh dear - will someone exile Truss to irrelevance immediately
    Irrelevance has done nothing bad enough to deserve it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,116
    HYUFD said:

    Liz Truss tells Fox news Kamala Harris is not qualified to lead America

    https://x.com/LarrySabato/status/1816167815759491145

    A keeper!
  • Oh dear - will someone exile Truss to irrelevance immediately
    "And you join us for news of a shock Labour GAIN in Irrelevance North".
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208
    edited July 2024

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,877

    Gosh, How Authentic!

    I recall trekking days into the interior of Ethiopia and stumbling upon a meeting of orthodox Axiumite monks, returning from prayers, high up a mountain.

    I felt incredibly honoured when they shared with me their beer, from a secret, quasi-biblical recipe.

    A monk handed me a cloudy mixture, swirling around a rusty tin of nestle infant milk-formula.

    Kinda spoiled it.
    I remember being on the last train on a Friday night out of Glasgow for Fort William, and sharing in the ritual drinking of beer out of a load of six packs with the natives. All good fun, and much understanding despite our mutually weird, near-indecipherable languages.

    A ritual destroyed by the Scottish government, sadly. The loss of such ancient rituals is a silent form of imperialism, allowing the oppressors to continue drinking in their motorhomes... ;)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,877

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    Compare and contrast with the dignified way May has behaved since her party dethroned her. Or even (shudders to say) Boris.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,459

    Klobuchar could be a dark horse for VP? An all-female ticket to emphasise the difference with Trump-Vance.
    All caps please: KLOBUCHAR
  • glwglw Posts: 10,254
    WillG said:

    Kamala Harris has a Bachelors in Economics and Political Science and a Doctorate in Law. She passed the Bar exam on her first attempt. She worked in various law jobs for 14 years, including stints covering homicide, sexual assault and child abuse. She was then District Attorney for San Francisco for seven years, Attorney General for California for six years, US Senator for California for four years (including serving on the Judiciary Committee, the Budget Committee and the Homeland Security Committee) and US Vice President for four years.

    At what point can we just call racism what it is?
    It Truss thinks Harris isn't qualified what the hell must she think about the convicted felon and rapist Trump?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639

    I remember being on the last train on a Friday night out of Glasgow for Fort William, and sharing in the ritual drinking of beer out of a load of six packs with the natives. All good fun, and much understanding despite our mutually weird, near-indecipherable languages.

    A ritual destroyed by the Scottish government, sadly. The loss of such ancient rituals is a silent form of imperialism, allowing the oppressors to continue drinking in their motorhomes... ;)
    What - can you not drink on the train in Scotland?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,322
    Omnium said:

    It was a disaster. The FO should have foreseen some degree of possible aggression. The RN should have had something like a defence against exocet.

    The greatest sea-power the world has ever known was nearly humiliated by a half-arsed invasion army and a few obsolete ships.

    It's not clear that the RN has really functioned properly since about 1812.
    I think that’s unfair. Read the history of the navy in WW2. The missing bit from most D-Day histories is how preponderant the Royal Navy was, and how well it did it’s job. In 1940 the glory is given to the RAF for winning the Battle of Britain, but even if the RAF had lost, the battle of the channel would have been a crushing disaster for the Germans.
    The sadness was the decline between then and 1982, but with no empire to defend and extract money from, the navy had to shrink.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    WillG said:

    Kamala Harris has a Bachelors in Economics and Political Science and a Doctorate in Law. She passed the Bar exam on her first attempt. She worked in various law jobs for 14 years, including stints covering homicide, sexual assault and child abuse. She was then District Attorney for San Francisco for seven years, Attorney General for California for six years, US Senator for California for four years (including serving on the Judiciary Committee, the Budget Committee and the Homeland Security Committee) and US Vice President for four years.

    At what point can we just call racism what it is?
    You can call it when you find it.

    Truss isn't a racist.

    She's an idiot.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,877
    Cookie said:

    What - can you not drink on the train in Scotland?
    Since Covid. As far as I know, the ban has not been lifted.

    https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/our-rules-travel/alcohol-ban

    There are some 'dry trains' in England (don't know about Wales...) but AIUI that's a response to previous issues on the services. Scotland's ban was/is on all services.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275

    Beto O'Rourke - He was the future once....
    Beto was, is and always will be the future.

    But only in his own mind.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    You can call it when you find it.

    Truss isn't a racist.

    She's an idiot.
    Presumably she is on record as saying various white nominees for president are unqualified? Such as reality TV star Donald Trump? Or is the "unqualified" tag restricted to a black woman who has served as AG for the largest state, US Senator and Vice President?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited July 2024
    Why is anybody taking anything Truss is saying seriously. If she wasn't before, she is absolute bonkers now. The deep state out to get everybody stuff. Reminds me of Plato formally of this parish.

    But she isn't racist, just mad.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    In Nepal, we went to a forge to watch them making Kukris.

    The source metal was leaf springs from ancient Mercedes trucks.
    I have a Sudanese dagger made from a Land Rover leaf spring.

    Makes you wonder whether Sudan and Nepal came on the same technique independently. Same with Pol Pot's cremation on a heap of old tyres doused with diesel which is also the traditional way of starting a bonfire in this bit of rural England.
  • Compare and contrast with the dignified way May has behaved since her party dethroned her. Or even (shudders to say) Boris.
    I slightly worry about Johnson. He really doesn't look okay.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786

    You can call it when you find it.

    Truss isn't a racist.

    She's an idiot.
    I would say she is a total embarrassment, not just to the conservative party, but the country and it is most satisfying that her electorate showed her the red card
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,484

    Since Covid. As far as I know, the ban has not been lifted.

    https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/our-rules-travel/alcohol-ban

    There are some 'dry trains' in England (don't know about Wales...) but AIUI that's a response to previous issues on the services. Scotland's ban was/is on all services.
    Someone should tell the massively drunk teenagers who are filling the trains and buses.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,099

    I slightly worry about Johnson. He really doesn't look okay.
    What's wrong - has his hair become tidy?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    edited July 2024

    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    Quite.

    @Luckyguy1983 , I think you have some well thought out political positions. But I must admit I don’t understand your support of Truss as a messenger for them. Part of the reason why a lot of those ideas have been discredited in current public discourse is down to the way that she tried to institute them, and her lack of political nous/talent.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208

    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    I think that’s unfair. Read the history of the navy in WW2. The missing bit from most D-Day histories is how preponderant the Royal Navy was, and how well it did it’s job. In 1940 the glory is given to the RAF for winning the Battle of Britain, but even if the RAF had lost, the battle of the channel would have been a crushing disaster for the Germans.
    The sadness was the decline between then and 1982, but with no empire to defend and extract money from, the navy had to shrink.
    I do not say they cannot come, I only say they cannot come by sea
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,473

    There were 5.53 million working-age disabled people in employment in October to December 2023, an increase of 338,000 from October to December 2022. The employment rate of disabled people was 54.2%, up from 52.7% a year previously.

    The poster for whom you are sticking up basically says 95% are wagging it

    Perhaps fuck off would have been a better more reasoned response.

    I am going now this is very personal
    Is there any actual data on how many of those who are registered as disabled, and not in work, *want* to work?

    Sometimes it is a matter of matching work to capabilities. I recall a local lawyer (in Oxford) who hired people with various long term conditions to proof read on a piece work basis. The work was non time critical, and in fairly small pieces - so they could do it when they could do it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    WillG said:

    Presumably she is on record as saying various white nominees for president are unqualified? Such as reality TV star Donald Trump? Or is the "unqualified" tag restricted to a black woman who has served as AG for the largest state, US Senator and Vice President?
    There isn't any white Dem nominee.

    If there was she would be saying it.

    Truss is spouting crap because she's desperate for someone to pay attention to her and likely because she wants to grift some MAGA money.

    If you think Truss is racist why were there so many non-white people in her cabinet:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_ministry
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,639

    Since Covid. As far as I know, the ban has not been lifted.

    https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/our-rules-travel/alcohol-ban

    There are some 'dry trains' in England (don't know about Wales...) but AIUI that's a response to previous issues on the services. Scotland's ban was/is on all services.
    That's a shame. And also bloody irrelevant to controlling covid. Another example of the mystical "if only we deny ourselves enough we will be spared" belief.
    Typical Sturgeon.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,877
    ohnotnow said:

    Someone should tell the massively drunk teenagers who are filling the trains and buses.
    The Scotrail ban may have been lifted - sadly, I don't get to spend anywhere near as much time in Scotland as I used to .

    But it's perhaps one of these laws that's in place not to stop offending per se, but to give the authorities a reason to arrest you if they don't like you for some other reason...
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Have you actually watched the clip, or is this attack based on the words of Larry the cat. Truss doesn't mention the word 'qualified' anywhere in her interview, she suggests that Harris has a record of failing to deliver in her task of controlling immigration. You may find that attack justified or unjustified, but it has nothing to do with Harris's academic qualifications.

    Furthermore, it really devalues the meaning of the word 'racism' when the accusation is slung around by people like some kind of dirty protest. Did Truss racistly hire Kwasi Kwarteng as her Chancellor and right hand (and racistly have an alleged affair with him before that)? Also finding time to racistly hire Suella Braverman, James Cleverly, Alok Sharma, Ranil Jayawardena, Nadhim Zahawi and Kemi Badenoch?
    That is fair - I assumed HYUFD and the Tweeter were accurately representing what she said in the clip. If she has called her unqualified, that would have been racist, but given she didn't I retract the claim.

    In my defence, I started watching the clip but Truss has such a grating voice, I had to stop.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    Truss is incapable of having an opinion.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852
    WillG said:

    That is fair - I assumed HYUFD and the Tweeter were accurately representing what she said in the clip. If she has called her unqualified, that would have been racist, but given she didn't I retract the claim.

    In my defence, I started watching the clip but Truss has such a grating voice, I had to stop.
    That. Is. A. Disgrace.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,484
    ydoethur said:

    Whereas Liz Truss repeatedly demonstrated at both agriculture and the Foreign Office that she was unfit to run a whelk stall.
    The well known whelk-blob were responsible for her stall catching alight and burning down the nearby church and orphanage.
  • She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208

    Quite.

    @Luckyguy1983 , I think you have some well thought out political positions. But I must admit I don’t understand your support of Truss as a messenger for them. Part of the reason why a lot of those ideas have been discredited in current public discourse is down to the way that she tried to institute them, and her lack of political nous/talent.
    The point is, it isn't Truss, it *is* the political positions. Truss was always awkward, an alleged shagger, fond of photo ops - but she was never mocked and pilloried as she is today - she was actually pretty widely respected as a loyal, careerist Trade and Foreign Sec. The mockery is because of the positions she took and the change that she tried to bring about.

    I have immense respect for her refusing to shut up and play dead, and continuing the espouse her views, which align fairly closely with my views.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,484

    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I'm on some largely US-based (broadly pro/sympathetic to Trump/GOP) IT/AI forums and the other day they were posting #lizfail memes. I think they know full well who and what she is.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,752
    Leon said:

    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,447
    edited July 2024

    The point is, it isn't Truss, it *is* the political positions. Truss was always awkward, an alleged shagger, fond of photo ops - but she was never mocked and pilloried as she is today - she was actually pretty widely respected as a loyal, careerist Trade and Foreign Sec. The mockery is because of the positions she took and the change that she tried to bring about.

    I have immense respect for her refusing to shut up and play dead, and continuing the espouse her views, which align fairly closely with my views.
    She was mocked long before her infamous belly flop as PM.

    THAT.IS.A.DISGRACE
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    WillG said:

    That is fair - I assumed HYUFD and the Tweeter were accurately representing what she said in the clip. If she has called her unqualified, that would have been racist, but given she didn't I retract the claim.

    In my defence, I started watching the clip but Truss has such a grating voice, I had to stop.
    She does talk about the crazy situation of Biden remaining in office when everyone in America knew he was not up to the job. We had seven whole weeks of that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,473
    edited July 2024

    I have a Sudanese dagger made from a Land Rover leaf spring.

    Makes you wonder whether Sudan and Nepal came on the same technique independently. Same with Pol Pot's cremation on a heap of old tyres doused with diesel which is also the traditional way of starting a bonfire in this bit of rural England.
    And the same was true of bonfires in NI.

    Sadly, the woke types have moved the natives onto using pallet wood (full of toxic chemicals as well). Just not the same.

    On the leaf spring thing. If you’ve got a pile of them, they are fairly obvious feedstock for knives etc - right shape, tough steel.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,239

    Kamala Harris told me that Liz Truss was the shittest PM the UK has ever had.
    The concern is that Truss does know something about not being qualified to lead.
  • The Scotrail ban may have been lifted - sadly, I don't get to spend anywhere near as much time in Scotland as I used to .

    But it's perhaps one of these laws that's in place not to stop offending per se, but to give the authorities a reason to arrest you if they don't like you for some other reason...
    Did it apply to Avanti / LNER services to London. That must have knackered the onboard at seat catering?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208
    ohnotnow said:

    I'm on some largely US-based (broadly pro/sympathetic to Trump/GOP) IT/AI forums and the other day they were posting #lizfail memes. I think they know full well who and what she is.
    I think that's amply covered within my examples.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,752
    edited July 2024
    Omnium said:

    Yeah I remember you mentioning those ages ago.

    I'd love to have a few really good knives for cooking, but what I have are fine, and my purchases of the odd expensive knife here and there haven't relaced my simple set.

    Bladed weapons are beautiful but scary. You almost never see the real thing (for obvious reasons). I once owned a really nice kukuri but it was stolen.

    I bought a Kukri at the Ideal Home Exhibition in, I think, 1978, for £3.50, at the age of 11, with no presence of adults.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639

    Since Covid. As far as I know, the ban has not been lifted.

    https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/our-rules-travel/alcohol-ban

    There are some 'dry trains' in England (don't know about Wales...) but AIUI that's a response to previous issues on the services. Scotland's ban was/is on all services.
    Johnson put paid to drinking on the Tube. Which was a shame.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    MattW said:

    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    OK I know this one. Manuka honey is a seriously good wound dressing because it sucks the heart out of bacteria by osmosis (liquid seeping out of the bacterium into the honey through the semi permeable membrane of the bacterium's outside).

    The bad news is this works equally well with Tesco value squeezy honey at 59p a pot not £59.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208

    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 439
    edited July 2024

    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Not Always.

    It's a common misunderstanding that one automatically follows the other.

    It can, but usually doesn't.

    Often, they just laugh at you.

    Like we did with Liz.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,484

    The point is, it isn't Truss, it *is* the political positions. Truss was always awkward, an alleged shagger, fond of photo ops - but she was never mocked and pilloried as she is today - she was actually pretty widely respected as a loyal, careerist Trade and Foreign Sec. The mockery is because of the positions she took and the change that she tried to bring about.

    I have immense respect for her refusing to shut up and play dead, and continuing the espouse her views, which align fairly closely with my views.
    She was often mocked - but she was also a minor bit-player so never 'hit the headlines'. I don't think I've ever met anyone before or after she became PM - whether right or left - who respected Liz Truss. Maybe it's my bubble.

    But I really don't understand why anyone would still defend her. She was rubbish. Whether I agree with what she was trying to do or not. Just .... really rubbish.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 141
    Cookie said:

    What - can you not drink on the train in Scotland?
    You can on LNER after 11.30am. with an exception on Friday morning Aberdeen to London. To many rig workers heading home were causing trouble.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    Did it apply to Avanti / LNER services to London. That must have knackered the onboard at seat catering?
    Not LNER. Dunno about the 'Weegie wagons though.

    https://www.lner.co.uk/first-class-travel/menu/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,473
    DougSeal said:

    Johnson put paid to drinking on the Tube. Which was a shame.
    His point on why - violence, abuse of women etc - was rather neatly made by the protest mounted at Liverpool Street Station the day the ban on booze on the tube came in.

    A number of arrests for drunk and disorderly, harassment of female passers by etc etc
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,752

    Telchar’s stuff was *the* shit.

    Need a sword to reduce Sauron’s finger count?

    Need a knife to prise jewels out of the Devil’s crown?

    Shop Smart. Shop Nogrod.

    Edit: Telchar would have probably made the One Ring into cuff links, for the LOLs.
    I'm not totally convinced this is solving your reputation.

    I would go for Gurthang, since it was used to kill Brodda. Anyone called Brodda just deserves it.

    Brodda is a name more suitable for a lawnmower, like Brott the Half-Brick Chucker.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208
    ohnotnow said:

    She was often mocked - but she was also a minor bit-player so never 'hit the headlines'. I don't think I've ever met anyone before or after she became PM - whether right or left - who respected Liz Truss. Maybe it's my bubble.

    But I really don't understand why anyone would still defend her. She was rubbish. Whether I agree with what she was trying to do or not. Just .... really rubbish.
    She was as rubbish as Rishi Sunak. But she tried with some bravery to affect positive change. Whereas he didn't. There is a gulf of difference between the respect I'm going to give the first, and the respect I'm going to give the second.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 439
    edited July 2024

    She was as rubbish as Rishi Sunak. But she tried with some bravery to affect positive change. Whereas he didn't. There is a gulf of difference between the respect I'm going to give the first, and the respect I'm going to give the second.
    No, Dude.

    Your girl was worse than Rishi;

    Much worse.

    It woz embarassing.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,322

    OK I know this one. Manuka honey is a seriously good wound dressing because it sucks the heart out of bacteria by osmosis (liquid seeping out of the bacterium into the honey through the semi permeable membrane of the bacterium's outside).

    The bad news is this works equally well with Tesco value squeezy honey at 59p a pot not £59.
    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    Have you actually watched the clip, or is this attack based on the words of Larry the cat. Truss doesn't mention the word 'qualified' anywhere in her interview, she suggests that Harris has a record of failing to deliver in her task of controlling immigration. You may find that attack justified or unjustified, but it has nothing to do with Harris's academic qualifications.

    Furthermore, it really devalues the meaning of the word 'racism' when the accusation is slung around by people like some kind of dirty protest. Did Truss racistly hire Kwasi Kwarteng as her Chancellor and right hand (and racistly have an alleged affair with him before that)? Also finding time to racistly hire Suella Braverman, James Cleverly, Alok Sharma, Ranil Jayawardena, Nadhim Zahawi and Kemi Badenoch?
    With politics I have come to the firm conclusion that all sides are as mad as each other, a longstanding cliche perhaps. The liberals lost their sanity completely around 2020 when they went all in down the road of identity politics, supporting BLM riots in the middle of the pandemic for instance. But the 'right' aren't really much better, they are another version of the same thing, the same panic driven irrationality. The best thing to do is to not get sucked in to one side as Truss is doing here. Just try and keep an open mind.

    One thing I would say reading the comments on here, is that many posters just seem to be very deep in the 'liberal hive' around Harris, the accusation of racism gets dug out a lot in the face of any doubt about her abilities. But it should be possible to wish her well whilst at the same time making similar points to what Truss was saying in this interview: ie that she is responsible for the current illegal immigration situation, etc etc.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,074
    WillG said:

    Kamala Harris has a Bachelors in Economics and Political Science and a Doctorate in Law. She passed the Bar exam on her first attempt. She worked in various law jobs for 14 years, including stints covering homicide, sexual assault and child abuse. She was then District Attorney for San Francisco for seven years, Attorney General for California for six years, US Senator for California for four years (including serving on the Judiciary Committee, the Budget Committee and the Homeland Security Committee) and US Vice President for four years.

    At what point can we just call racism what it is?
    Maybe it’s not racism from Liz? Truss will pathetically parrot any Republican talking point they feed her, and the GOP would undoubtedly have come out with some nonsense criticism of any Dem of any race/gender/sexuality. So it’s probably GOP racism, but Truss cravenness.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,239

    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    That ain’t what the polling says.

    But I agree with you it’s completely unfair to label her racist.
    (While at the same time noting that the GOP has had to instruct their own representatives to drop the racism when talking about Harris. Which is probably where the notion of that being part of it came from.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208

    Truss is doing that in reverse, isn't she?

    First, she won. Then they fought her. Now they're laughing at her. In a year or two...
    Whilst she still has the boiled piss contingent on PB to depend on, I can't see her ever being ignored.
  • DougSeal said:

    Johnson put paid to drinking on the Tube. Which was a shame.
    For a start it means he can't take the Tube himself any more. Bit of an own goal.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    edited July 2024

    The point is, it isn't Truss, it *is* the political positions. Truss was always awkward, an alleged shagger, fond of photo ops - but she was never mocked and pilloried as she is today - she was actually pretty widely respected as a loyal, careerist Trade and Foreign Sec. The mockery is because of the positions she took and the change that she tried to bring about.

    I have immense respect for her refusing to shut up and play dead, and continuing the espouse her views, which align fairly closely with my views.
    I respectfully disagree. I think she was always an awkward, slightly comical, stilted figure. Her over promotion to some of the higher offices in the land exposed this to a wider audience, and exacerbated her failings and lack of frontline political talent. Her behaviour since losing office just perpetuates the feeling.

    I don’t have any tremendous joy in ripping Liz Truss to shreds. I think my posting history shows I felt very sorry for her on a personal level at the time she left office, and I think she could’ve carved out a fairly decent career as a middle ranking policy-focussed figure. She was just overpromoted and it’s created a monster.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,239
    MattW said:

    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    No, it’s just that he has more silly money than do most of us.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Whilst she still has the boiled piss contingent on PB to depend on, I can't see her ever being ignored.
    She doesn't even make it as a piss boiler, maybe one degree above ambient on a really good day. I'm no royalist but KC fucking nailed it. You again? Oh dear.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    The Scotrail ban may have been lifted - sadly, I don't get to spend anywhere near as much time in Scotland as I used to .

    But it's perhaps one of these laws that's in place not to stop offending per se, but to give the authorities a reason to arrest you if they don't like you for some other reason...
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-alcohol-ban-public-5050-split-on-whether-ban-on-drinking-on-scotland-trains-should-end-4561232

    I do like a beer on the train but would cope fine with some low/no alcohol cider or sparkling water for a few hours. I think a lot of the public are genuinely relieved by it. I recall being on a late train from Aberdeen with a schoolgirl on the opposite seat who was obviously intimidated by the boisterousa drinkers around us.

    Add the fact that it makes things a lot easier for the staff and polis and the company timekeeping wise.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,484

    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
    A guilty pleasure of mine is a New Zealand 'cosy' detective show called The Brokenwood Mysteries. There is a whole episode given over to a mysterious murder on a Manuka honey farm.

    I SHALL SAY NO MORE...

    (because I can't remember many details apart from that)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208

    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    For a start it means he can't take the Tube himself any more. Bit of an own goal.
    You think it applies to him? You don't learn.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,776
    "Vance has no conviction but his running mate has 34".

    Clever soundbite from the Harris team.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,074

    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    I really don’t think Truss is going to get past stage 2 of that…
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,322
    ohnotnow said:

    A guilty pleasure of mine is a New Zealand 'cosy' detective show called The Brokenwood Mysteries. There is a whole episode given over to a mysterious murder on a Manuka honey farm.

    I SHALL SAY NO MORE...

    (because I can't remember many details apart from that)
    It had better be a big farm. Those bees forage for miles!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852
    FF43 said:

    "Vance has no conviction but his running mate has 34".

    Clever soundbite from the Harris team.

    It's dreadful.

    Honestly, who writes these things?

    It should be, 'Vance has no convictions but his running mate has 34.'
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,322
    Carnyx said:

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Although reportedly counter terror police are now involved in the stabbing case.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,752

    I remember being on the last train on a Friday night out of Glasgow for Fort William, and sharing in the ritual drinking of beer out of a load of six packs with the natives. All good fun, and much understanding despite our mutually weird, near-indecipherable languages.

    A ritual destroyed by the Scottish government, sadly. The loss of such ancient rituals is a silent form of imperialism, allowing the oppressors to continue drinking in their motorhomes... ;)
    You are arguing that post-millennial Glaswegians are sober?

    They live, presumably, on ice cream and teacakes.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I have a Sudanese dagger made from a Land Rover leaf spring.

    Makes you wonder whether Sudan and Nepal came on the same technique independently. Same with Pol Pot's cremation on a heap of old tyres doused with diesel which is also the traditional way of starting a bonfire in this bit of rural England.
    Check out the US TV show "Forged in Fire" where blacksmiths, knife makers and other metal workers compete to the that episode's champion.

    For raw material they frequently recycle all kinds of stuff, include car parts quite often.

    As I've come to understand, thanks to "FiF" is that different kinds of steel have different qualities; my guess is that car springs (or at least Land Rover springs) make good knives AND are readily available in Sudanese or Nepalese junk yards & the like, thanks to local road conditions.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,852
    Carnyx said:

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Surely the latter is just an ordinary evening in the Met?
  • Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Firstly, the stabbing story was the top news story, but the news moves fast.

    Secondly, the indication is the stabbing was mental health rather than terror related. That doesn't make it any less dreadful for the man or his family, but being awful isn't the test of news. Whereas discipline within the ranks of the Police is of wider relevance.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,877

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The video of the man being kicked in the head looks terrible. However, the video is suspiciously truncated to that moment. Which always makes me wonder quite what happened beforehand.

    (And yes, police should not be kicking someone in the head. But the context of *why* it happened does matter IMO, as it turns an atrocious act into something more understandable.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
    Just look at the honey uinder a microscope? Any half decent palynologist can tell you in a few minutes what thje proportion of manuka pollen vs the rest is.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Although reportedly counter terror police are now involved in the stabbing case.
    Could there be concerns about copycat incidents? That's all I can think of. It's strange how the story seems to have drifted out of the news.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,877
    MattW said:

    You are arguing that post-millennial Glaswegians are sober?

    They live, presumably, on ice cream and teacakes.
    Only the Glaswegians going to Fort Bill. :)

    Incidentally, when I booked the B&B a couple of days before, I apologised to the landlady, saying I would be in a little late, as I was catching the last train. She said not to bother, as her hubby was the guard on the train...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,208

    I respectfully disagree. I think she was always an awkward, slightly comical, stilted figure. Her over promotion to some of the higher offices in the land exposed this to a wider audience, and exacerbated her failings and lack of frontline political talent. Her behaviour since losing office just perpetuates the feeling.

    I don’t have any tremendous joy in ripping Liz Truss to shreds. I think my posting history shows I felt very sorry for her on a personal level at the time she left office, and I think she could’ve carved out a fairly decent career as a middle ranking policy-focussed figure. She was just overpromoted and it’s created a monster.
    When I supported Mordaunt and condemned Truss's awkward candidature here, I was told quite firmly that Truss's experiences in the big roles made her by far the superior and less risky candidate.

    As for her being over-promoted, she also lacked a high calibre team and people fixing stuff for her in the background. Powerful figures like Airey Neave and Norman Tebbit did a lot of paddling so Thatcher could be the swan.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,208
    edited July 2024

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
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