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I’m afraid if you duck out of PM duties to do a self serving interview, the public should show you no mercy.Scott_xP said:@MrHarryCole
NEW: Sunak has begged voters to “find it in their hearts to forgive me” over his D-Day disaster...
PM trying to move on as he finally faces hacks after weekend of radio silence....
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Is he looking for voters to show him some mercy? Just asking.Scott_xP said:@MrHarryCole
NEW: Sunak has begged voters to “find it in their hearts to forgive me” over his D-Day disaster...
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HYUFD said:
Normally UK elections are won in the centre but that is not always true.Heathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
Churchill was more centrist than Attlee in 1945 and 1950 for instance. Heath was more centrist than Wilson in 1966 and 1974.
Callaghan was more centrist than Thatcher in 1979 as well
No hang on. I didn’t say just because you are in the centre you will win. I said that you won’t win on the extremes.
In fact, my reading of it is that Thatcher was centrist in 1979. The reason Callaghan lost was the Winter of Discontent, being held to ransom by the unions, and Dennis Healey bankrupting Britain. All Mrs T was saying in 1979 was that it was time for common sense and a ‘housewife’s’ approach to finance.
Remember, Mrs Thatcher only won a 42 seat majority in 1979. It wasn’t until Michael Foot lurched the Labour Party to the extreme Left that she won a c. 140 seat landslide in 1983.0 -
Isn't it odd that when Leon disappears, suddenly Heathener starts posting. Just another one of Leon's many sock puppets.0
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The evidence points to a Labour win, particularly with the return of Farage. I am not sure whether that is a hung Parliament, a smallAnabobazina said:
You don’t ignore my posts, you respond to them, as above.Mexicanpete said:
I didn't explain why it might be a game changer so why don't you just ignore my posts. I ignore yours although your more enlightened ones go some thing like "..." and I quite like them.Anabobazina said:
Give it a rest.Mexicanpete said:
That really would be the game changer they are looking for (against Labour). Isn't Nigel already an enthusiastic hangers and flogger?Eabhal said:DEATH PENALTY KLAXON (maybe)
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800090853387677781
First on the chopping block... Just Stop Oil?
And no, Farage opposes the death penalty.
I’m interested, what’s your prediction for the election? Are you standing by your forecast of Sunak “doing a Major” 1992-style?
or a larger majority. Landslides and Tory collapse are out of the question. It looked like Labour most seats in 1992, so there should always be doubt.
Now leave me alone.0 -
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
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Much more likely that they will show him no mercy.Scott_xP said:@MrHarryCole
NEW: Sunak has begged voters to “find it in their hearts to forgive me” over his D-Day disaster...
PM trying to move on as he finally faces hacks after weekend of radio silence....
@ryansabey
I mean, I don't want to pick at the pustulent sore of "Rishi isn't British enough" (because it's both nasty and rubbish), but there is a huge slice of the Christian message about the importance of showing mercy so that you can have mercy shown to you.0 -
i KNOIT I WiNFarooq said:
Well, there's elevated, and then there's obscured above the clouds. I doubt I'm alone in not knowing that word.geoffw said:
Erstwhile/quondam ?Farooq said:
It's an odd example of a word firmly rooted in Old English sounding elevated. Much of our vulgar/refined distinctions map to Germanic/Latin origins. Lord/liege, body/corpus, snake/serpent, woods/forest. Erstwhile/previous bucks that trend.Leon said:
Strange but likeable word, "erstwhile". Feels like some incredible survival from Beowulf. Like happening on an Anglo-Saxon chapel in NewentFarooq said:
It's the erstwhility of erstwhile Conservatives that's their current electoral predicament.Leon said:
But they are erstwhile, who cares?Cicero said:
I agree on the narrow point of Farage, he is probably disliked by too many, he is very Marmite. I cannot see a successful Tory-Reform party led by him, it would have to be a Tory and he'd be second in command
Joyce was great with AngloSaxonisms
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Yep for sure.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Isn't it odd that when Leon disappears, suddenly Heathener starts posting. Just another one of Leon's many sock puppets.
Either that or he has gone to Babi Yar like he said ...0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmlddjv0eego
An instructive and timely piece on the state of the justice system; may be particularly of note to politicians advocating mercilessness to criminals.1 -
How far are we now from Acceptance?numbertwelve said:
Ah, we’ve reached the begging stage…Scott_xP said:@MrHarryCole
NEW: Sunak has begged voters to “find it in their hearts to forgive me” over his D-Day disaster...
PM trying to move on as he finally faces hacks after weekend of radio silence....
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Or, even more likely, I am in a Bolt en route to Babi YarHeathener said:
Yep for sure.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Isn't it odd that when Leon disappears, suddenly Heathener starts posting. Just another one of Leon's many sock puppets.
Either that or he has gone to Babi Yar like he said ...
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I'm assuming you do know about the Saxon remains at Newent Church.Leon said:
Strange but likeable word, "erstwhile". Feels like some incredible survival from Beowulf. Like happening on an Anglo-Saxon chapel in NewentFarooq said:
It's the erstwhility of erstwhile Conservatives that's their current electoral predicament.Leon said:
But they are erstwhile, who cares?Cicero said:
I agree on the narrow point of Farage, he is probably disliked by too many, he is very Marmite. I cannot see a successful Tory-Reform party led by him, it would have to be a Tory and he'd be second in command
The church building itself is quite recent - 13C .0 -
Do you think that his boots on for capital punishment makes his DDay faux pas go away for oldsters?ToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.0 -
Funny that we get so many non-apology apologies yet a real apology like this is treated with disdainToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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Pitiful pleading, at the same time as repeating his gaslighting lies. If I were a marriage counsellor and this was the stuff coming from one spouse ...HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morningToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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This is where you’ve gone wrong. Well, one of the many places.Leon said:
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
WE LAID THAT FUCKER DOWN
It’s too simplistic to state that Brexit was a populist right wing move. It was more about perceived liberty from a heavily centralised and undemocratic institution, and of course a reaction to metropolitan elitist autocracy that had ridden roughshod over ordinary people and was out of touch with their everyday challenges. There were many on the left who supported Brexit and others in the centre e.g. Frank Field who did not believe the EU to be a democratically accountable institution.
You will I’m sure remember all this from your days of being an ardent supporter on here of the EU, until you walked to the voting booth and had another of your flip-flops.0 -
That's, er... I don't know. Wow.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800074182715494714
I'm guessing Saatchi's were definitely out of their price range.1 -
Too late. The time to apologise was breakfast time on 7 June. Now, it won't be believed after the stuff he came out with and made others come out with.geoffw said:
Funny that we get so many non-apology apologies yet a real apology like this is treated with disdainToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.1 -
I doubt it.Mexicanpete said:
Do you think that his boots on for capital punishment makes his DDay faux pas go away for oldsters?ToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
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Its a good job that the government havent persistently and significantly underfunded "the law" to the extent that the police have been told not to arrest criminals because the jails are full. Which wouldn't matter anyway as the police are really badly run and have weird priorities, which again doesn't matter much as even if the police were good and the jails had space, the courts take 3 years to process a case by which time the chance of a conviction has gone.Benpointer said:If you're a criminal, the law should show you no mercy.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800090853387677781
This is utterly bizarre. An isolated post with zero context.
...the law should show you no mercy. What never? Under no circumstances? So no parole then, no suspended sentences, no FPNs for that matter. No early release on health grounds. No flexibility for pregnant prisoners. Or those with severe health problems.
Does 2,000 years of Christian heritage count for nothing?
I am beginning to worry Sunak is losing it.
If you have been in power for 14 years you need to have something positive to run on, and they just don't.0 -
I quite like the pig. It looks friendly, solid, reassuring. One might almost say strong and stable. And clearly representing LabourHYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800074182715494714
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Never too late either to make one or accept oneCarnyx said:
Too late. The time to apologise was breakfast time on 7 June. Now, it won't be believed after the stuff he came out with and made others come out with.geoffw said:
Funny that we get so many non-apology apologies yet a real apology like this is treated with disdainToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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He has no credibility.ToryJim said:
I doubt it.Mexicanpete said:
Do you think that his boots on for capital punishment makes his DDay faux pas go away for oldsters?ToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
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It’s a sequencing issue. Had this been his first attempt then it might have diffused somewhat the outrage. However you don’t get credit for correcting a disingenuous statement with a more tone appropriate one, because rightly or wrongly people might feel that it is merely tactical rather than actually genuine.geoffw said:
Funny that we get so many non-apology apologies yet a real apology like this is treated with disdainToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
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Doubt there is – but it's reasonable to ask people for their prediction, on a betting site, especially when they are ramping daily to get a rise out of others.Mexicanpete said:
The evidence points to a Labour win, particularly with the return of Farage. I am not sure whether that is a hung Parliament, a smallAnabobazina said:
You don’t ignore my posts, you respond to them, as above.Mexicanpete said:
I didn't explain why it might be a game changer so why don't you just ignore my posts. I ignore yours although your more enlightened ones go some thing like "..." and I quite like them.Anabobazina said:
Give it a rest.Mexicanpete said:
That really would be the game changer they are looking for (against Labour). Isn't Nigel already an enthusiastic hangers and flogger?Eabhal said:DEATH PENALTY KLAXON (maybe)
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800090853387677781
First on the chopping block... Just Stop Oil?
And no, Farage opposes the death penalty.
I’m interested, what’s your prediction for the election? Are you standing by your forecast of Sunak “doing a Major” 1992-style?
or a larger majority. Landslides and Tory collapse are out of the question. It looked like Labour most seats in 1992, so there should always be doubt.
Now leave me alone.
Thank you for your response. Interesting that you are ruling out a landslide.0 -
Clearly 5d omini-dimensional chess, too sophisticated for the likes of us to have a scooby.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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Not holding back on the £2,000 a week Labour taxbomb then? I like the extra £17 or whatever it is- nice touch for authenticity.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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If you ever feel sorry for Sunak, and I sometimes do, just remind yourself of the the right-wing dog-whistling and thoroughly nasty policies he has pursued.
But as a human being I do feel for him. He never should have been PM and I wonder to what extent he was trying to impress his in-laws. As a financier, albeit a shifty one who benefitted from the financial crash, he’s clearly capable. As a PM, or indeed any kind of politician, he’s bloody awful.
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Are you new here?Heathener said:
This is where you’ve gone wrong. Well, one of the many places.Leon said:
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
WE LAID THAT FUCKER DOWN
It’s too simplistic to state that Brexit was a populist right wing move. It was more about perceived liberty from a heavily centralised and undemocratic institution, and of course a reaction to metropolitan elitist autocracy that had ridden roughshod over ordinary people and was out of touch with their everyday challenges. There were many on the left who supported Brexit and others in the centre e.g. Frank Field who did not believe the EU to be a democratically accountable institution.
You will I’m sure remember all this from your days of being an ardent supporter on here of the EU, until you walked to the voting booth and had another of your flip-flops.0 -
No, i think I may have linked once to the constituency poll in (March?) Durung a discussion on it Which had her hanging on by 4% but anyway, my feeling is not based on her popularity but that Portsmouth North Tory inclined voters might be quite motivated to get the potential LOTO over the line. And her personal ratings are the better end of the ragged gang.Heathener said:@wooliedyed thought it was you who said Penny wouldn’t lose? Actually, come to think of it, it may have only been CR? If so apologies. But as you’ve now said it, I think she’s going to lose x
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Time to ease off the cocaine at CCHQ.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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His action has led me to vote Lib Dem in 10 days (postal vote) for the first timeTimS said:
I’m afraid if you duck out of PM duties to do a self serving interview, the public should show you no mercy.Scott_xP said:@MrHarryCole
NEW: Sunak has begged voters to “find it in their hearts to forgive me” over his D-Day disaster...
PM trying to move on as he finally faces hacks after weekend of radio silence....
@ryansabey
While it is irrelevant to the outcome in my seat, labour are guaranteed to win it, it is one way I can protest at something which, when I broke the story on here, left me angered and dismayed and that anger and dismay has not diminished at all2 -
Reminiscent of John Major's authenticity soap box?numbertwelve said:
Ah, we’ve reached the begging stage…Scott_xP said:@MrHarryCole
NEW: Sunak has begged voters to “find it in their hearts to forgive me” over his D-Day disaster...
PM trying to move on as he finally faces hacks after weekend of radio silence....
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CCHQ moled below the waterline.noneoftheabove said:
Clearly 5d omini-dimensional chess, too sophisticated for the likes of us to have a scooby.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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It tells you something that when the Tories have their backs to the wall they head to the darkest hard right corners they can find. Do they really have such a low opinion of their fellow Britons or maybe they're correct? Round every corner lies a Clacton or a Hartlepool full of Leons.Scott_xP said:I think grovelling Richi is about to find out what no mercy means...
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Thatcher was the rightwing candidate for the Tory leadership in 1975, beating moderates Heath and Whitelaw. Yet she managed to beat the centrist Callaghan in 1979 because of the poor economic situation. Much as Attlee beat WW2 winner Churchill in 1945 due to memories of the Depression in the 1930s under the Tories.Heathener said:HYUFD said:
Normally UK elections are won in the centre but that is not always true.Heathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
Churchill was more centrist than Attlee in 1945 and 1950 for instance. Heath was more centrist than Wilson in 1966 and 1974.
Callaghan was more centrist than Thatcher in 1979 as well
No hang on. I didn’t say just because you are in the centre you will win. I said that you won’t win on the extremes.
In fact, my reading of it is that Thatcher was centrist in 1979. The reason Callaghan lost was the Winter of Discontent, being held to ransom by the unions, and Dennis Healey bankrupting Britain. All Mrs T was saying in 1979 was that it was time for common sense and a ‘housewife’s’ approach to finance.
Remember, Mrs Thatcher only won a 42 seat majority in 1979. It wasn’t until Michael Foot lurched the Labour Party to the extreme Left that she won a c. 140 seat landslide in 1983.
So if the economy is poor even a centrist government can be beaten by a less centrist opposition0 -
I think LSD is the tipple of choice, judging by that ad.Fairliered said:
Time to ease off the cocaine at CCHQ.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/18000741827154947140 -
Portsmouth North is a red wall seat moved 200 miles south.wooliedyed said:
No, i think I may have linked once to the constituency poll in (March?) Durung a discussion on it Which had her hanging on by 4% but anyway, my feeling is not based on her popularity but that Portsmouth North Tory inclined voters might be quite motivated to get the potential LOTO over the line. And her personal ratings are the better end of the ragged gang.Heathener said:@wooliedyed thought it was you who said Penny wouldn’t lose? Actually, come to think of it, it may have only been CR? If so apologies. But as you’ve now said it, I think she’s going to lose x
We will see.0 -
This Ross story is increasingly absurd. He's quitting the leadership. Why? Because his colleagues do not trust his judgement or motivation. So why should the people of ANME. And he's quitting Holyrood in favour of Westminster, having very recently declared he was quitting Westminster in favour of Holyrood.
The communities in my constituency are not pawns to be pushed around by his bizarre attempt for relevancy. Is he deliberately setting out to turn his party into an utter joke???5 -
I’m looking at a decrepit babushka crossing the road as I near the ravine of death. Incredible to think that it’s just about possible she personally saw Yaroslav the Wise found the city, if she is about 980 years old and she’s definitely old
History is so much closer than we think. Its kinda humbling0 -
You castigated me years ago when I said the Conservatives could use the Savile slur against Starmer effectively in an election. I wonder if Sunak's tweet today is rolling the pitch for this tactic. Although it probably is for capital punishment.Heathener said:If you ever feel sorry for Sunak, and I sometimes do, just remind yourself of the the right-wing dog-whistling and thoroughly nasty policies he has pursued.
But as a human being I do feel for him. He never should have been PM and I wonder to what extent he was trying to impress his in-laws. As a financier, albeit a shifty one who benefitted from the financial crash, he’s clearly capable. As a PM, or indeed any kind of politician, he’s bloody awful.1 -
No. I am you and you are I, remember.Leon said:
Are you new here?Heathener said:
This is where you’ve gone wrong. Well, one of the many places.Leon said:
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
WE LAID THAT FUCKER DOWN
It’s too simplistic to state that Brexit was a populist right wing move. It was more about perceived liberty from a heavily centralised and undemocratic institution, and of course a reaction to metropolitan elitist autocracy that had ridden roughshod over ordinary people and was out of touch with their everyday challenges. There were many on the left who supported Brexit and others in the centre e.g. Frank Field who did not believe the EU to be a democratically accountable institution.
You will I’m sure remember all this from your days of being an ardent supporter on here of the EU, until you walked to the voting booth and had another of your flip-flops.
My name is Seanetta and I claim my 5 Euros.0 -
Classic 'accuracy implied by precision' bollocks.Mexicanpete said:
Not holding back on the £2,000 a week Labour taxbomb then? I like the extra £17 or whatever it is- nice touch for authenticity.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/18000741827154947146 -
Libs launching their manifesto. When are the Tory and Labour launches? Do we know?0
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Sounds like he'll soon be able to concentrate on his refereeing career.RochdalePioneers said:This Ross story is increasingly absurd. He's quitting the leadership. Why? Because his colleagues do not trust his judgement or motivation. So why should the people of ANME. And he's quitting Holyrood in favour of Westminster, having very recently declared he was quitting Westminster in favour of Holyrood.
The communities in my constituency are not pawns to be pushed around by his bizarre attempt for relevancy. Is he deliberately setting out to turn his party into an utter joke???3 -
Clacton is full of whoremongering flint knappers who spend all their time travelling around the world on other people’s money? It’s a lot more interesting than I anticipated. I should visitRoger said:
It tells you something that when the Tories have their backs to the wall they head to the darkest hard right corners they can find. Do they really have such a low opinion of their fellow Britons or maybe they're correct? Round every corner lies a Clacton or a Hartlepool full of Leons.Scott_xP said:I think grovelling Richi is about to find out what no mercy means...
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Thomas Hardy, who was taken to see a public execution when fairly young, lived into the lifetime of HM QEII as well as people I know still living.Leon said:I’m looking at a decrepit babushka crossing the road as I near the ravine of death. Incredible to think that it’s just about possible she personally saw Yaroslav the Wise found the city, if she is about 980 years old and she’s definitely old
History is so much closer than we think. Its kinda humbling1 -
I think she does have a personal vote, though of course such votes tend to be diluted in landslide elections.wooliedyed said:
No, i think I may have linked once to the constituency poll in (March?) Durung a discussion on it Which had her hanging on by 4% but anyway, my feeling is not based on her popularity but that Portsmouth North Tory inclined voters might be quite motivated to get the potential LOTO over the line. And her personal ratings are the better end of the ragged gang.Heathener said:@wooliedyed thought it was you who said Penny wouldn’t lose? Actually, come to think of it, it may have only been CR? If so apologies. But as you’ve now said it, I think she’s going to lose x
We will see.
I make it about 50/50 she survives.2 -
Musing, I wonder what trajectory the LD Campaign will now follow.PedestrianRock said:Lib Dem’s launching manifesto today. Periodic plug that I still think they are big time underpriced for ‘Over 40.5 seats’ in particular, but also the ‘Most Seats without Labour’ at around 5.5.
Davey’s campaign has done very well on socials so far, but more than that - I think their big focus on the NHS and Social Care will play very well in many Tory heartlands. The Lib Dems do best when they are seen as the ‘sensible option’ and that’s going to be played out in many seats that are currently CON 1st LD 2nd imo.
Having got some audience attention via stunts, will they now pivot to more content along the same lines to try and keep that audience and lock them in?
AFAICS there are fewer stunts, but I've been calling for Ed to go to a naturist club for his next stunt - so perhaps they are scared off
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2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.0
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I gave my prediction on Ben's competition, and I currently reside on nul points.Anabobazina said:
Doubt there is – but it's reasonable to ask people for their prediction, on a betting site, especially when they are ramping daily to get a rise out of others.Mexicanpete said:
The evidence points to a Labour win, particularly with the return of Farage. I am not sure whether that is a hung Parliament, a smallAnabobazina said:
You don’t ignore my posts, you respond to them, as above.Mexicanpete said:
I didn't explain why it might be a game changer so why don't you just ignore my posts. I ignore yours although your more enlightened ones go some thing like "..." and I quite like them.Anabobazina said:
Give it a rest.Mexicanpete said:
That really would be the game changer they are looking for (against Labour). Isn't Nigel already an enthusiastic hangers and flogger?Eabhal said:DEATH PENALTY KLAXON (maybe)
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800090853387677781
First on the chopping block... Just Stop Oil?
And no, Farage opposes the death penalty.
I’m interested, what’s your prediction for the election? Are you standing by your forecast of Sunak “doing a Major” 1992-style?
or a larger majority. Landslides and Tory collapse are out of the question. It looked like Labour most seats in 1992, so there should always be doubt.
Now leave me alone.
Thank you for your response. Interesting that you are ruling out a landslide.0 -
Lab is thursday apparentlyAnabobazina said:Libs launching their manifesto. When are the Tory and Labour launches? Do we know?
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Just seen the Denyer LBC interview. Not wishing to be mean, but she is clearly deeply stupid - you could tell she couldn't even understand the concept of deterrence on a theoretical level, and that's before the rest of the nonsense. Fingers crossed for Thangam Debbonaire.2
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Mon LDrottenborough said:
Lab is thursday apparentlyAnabobazina said:Libs launching their manifesto. When are the Tory and Labour launches? Do we know?
Tues Con
Weds Green for lolz
Thurs Lab0 -
I would like to apologise to HYUFD for my undoubted rudeness to him at times in the past.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800074182715494714
I wrongly assumed he was a bone-headed automaton who would always spout party line no matter what. I now see that, while he is clearly someone strongly committed to his beliefs he recognises when his beloved party has totally lost it and is prepared to say as much.
Credit to you HY and apologies for my past rudeness.6 -
Yes that’s impressive but not as impressive as this old lady. She could actually have seen Yaroslav march over the Dnieper and build the Church of Tithes, on the old pagan shrines of Podil - IF she is nearly 1000 years old. And as I say she’s definitely knocking onalgarkirk said:
Thomas Hardy, who was taken to see a public execution when fairly young, lived into the lifetime of HM QEII as well as people I know still living.Leon said:I’m looking at a decrepit babushka crossing the road as I near the ravine of death. Incredible to think that it’s just about possible she personally saw Yaroslav the Wise found the city, if she is about 980 years old and she’s definitely old
History is so much closer than we think. Its kinda humbling
That’s incredible0 -
OT it’s now June 10th and the most recent opinion polls had fieldwork from 6-8th and 5th-7th.
We need some fresh data please. They should now be post Faragasm and D-Day gate and we may have a clearer picture of how this election is heading.
My sense is that nothing much from here will change, barring anything extraordinary. People begin voting next week ...0 -
How will they pay for their televised executions?wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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Well done to LibDems for focusing on social care and the links to failing NHS.
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Watching the manifesto launch, I think there is a small gap opening up for the Lib Dems. As the Tories become ever more reactionary, this sort of compassion from Davey must be attractive to what remains of the Cameroons.MattW said:
Musing, I wonder what trajectory the LD Campaign will now follow.PedestrianRock said:Lib Dem’s launching manifesto today. Periodic plug that I still think they are big time underpriced for ‘Over 40.5 seats’ in particular, but also the ‘Most Seats without Labour’ at around 5.5.
Davey’s campaign has done very well on socials so far, but more than that - I think their big focus on the NHS and Social Care will play very well in many Tory heartlands. The Lib Dems do best when they are seen as the ‘sensible option’ and that’s going to be played out in many seats that are currently CON 1st LD 2nd imo.
Having got some audience attention via stunts, will they now pivot to more content along the same lines to try and keep that audience and lock them in?
AFAICS there are fewer stunts, but I've been calling for Ed to go to a naturist club for his next stunt - so perhaps they are scared off .1 -
I like the Adventures of Percy the Tax Pig, I wonder where he will go next?Benpointer said:
I would like to apologise to HYUFD for my undoubted rudeness to him at times in the past.HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800074182715494714
I wrongly assumed he was a bone-headed automaton who would always spout party line no matter what. I now see that, while he is clearly someone strongly committed to his beliefs he recognises when his beloved party has totally lost it and is prepared to say as much.
Credit to you HY and apologies for my past rudeness.0 -
In fairness to you that competition was set months ago, I believe. Hence why I was asking whether you had any update.Mexicanpete said:
I gave my prediction on Ben's competition, and I currently reside on nul points.Anabobazina said:
Doubt there is – but it's reasonable to ask people for their prediction, on a betting site, especially when they are ramping daily to get a rise out of others.Mexicanpete said:
The evidence points to a Labour win, particularly with the return of Farage. I am not sure whether that is a hung Parliament, a smallAnabobazina said:
You don’t ignore my posts, you respond to them, as above.Mexicanpete said:
I didn't explain why it might be a game changer so why don't you just ignore my posts. I ignore yours although your more enlightened ones go some thing like "..." and I quite like them.Anabobazina said:
Give it a rest.Mexicanpete said:
That really would be the game changer they are looking for (against Labour). Isn't Nigel already an enthusiastic hangers and flogger?Eabhal said:DEATH PENALTY KLAXON (maybe)
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800090853387677781
First on the chopping block... Just Stop Oil?
And no, Farage opposes the death penalty.
I’m interested, what’s your prediction for the election? Are you standing by your forecast of Sunak “doing a Major” 1992-style?
or a larger majority. Landslides and Tory collapse are out of the question. It looked like Labour most seats in 1992, so there should always be doubt.
Now leave me alone.
Thank you for your response. Interesting that you are ruling out a landslide.0 -
Again, setting themselves up for a massive pensioner backlash. Entirely inconsistent with the thinking behind the quadruple lock.wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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No Mercy! (A brilliant bit of film making from 1962)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lawrence+of+arabia+'no+mercy'#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6aa1de5f,vid:W29W0Fh_qng,st:00 -
if youre interested Saumur has an excellent tank museumkjh said:
A shorter day cycling today. About 50 km to Saumur0 -
Will allow Sunak to repetitively chant "Labour has no Plan!" on Wednesday's leadership debate, annoyingly.wooliedyed said:
Mon LDrottenborough said:
Lab is thursday apparentlyAnabobazina said:Libs launching their manifesto. When are the Tory and Labour launches? Do we know?
Tues Con
Weds Green for lolz
Thurs Lab0 -
One bit of good news for PM. The localist-populist Portsmouth Independents have decided to back her;numbertwelve said:
I think she does have a personal vote, though of course such votes tend to be diluted in landslide elections.wooliedyed said:
No, i think I may have linked once to the constituency poll in (March?) Durung a discussion on it Which had her hanging on by 4% but anyway, my feeling is not based on her popularity but that Portsmouth North Tory inclined voters might be quite motivated to get the potential LOTO over the line. And her personal ratings are the better end of the ragged gang.Heathener said:@wooliedyed thought it was you who said Penny wouldn’t lose? Actually, come to think of it, it may have only been CR? If so apologies. But as you’ve now said it, I think she’s going to lose x
We will see.
I make it about 50/50 she survives.
George Madgwick, the leader of the Portsmouth Independent Group, has snubbed an offer from Nigel Farage to stand for Reform and is instead urging residents to vote for Penny Mordaunt.
Madgwick has told Portsmouth residents to back Mordaunt’s re-election in Portsmouth North after he decides not to stand in the general election. Madgwick said he declined an offer from Nigel Farage to stand for Reform UK last week, saying, “I don’t believe it is a democratic party – they’re set up like a business with no real voting or democratic structure.”
In an online statement, Madgwick explains his decision: “I’ve decided not to stand as I don’t feel it’s best for our community. My aim is to always get our area the best representation it can. So, I’ve decided that in this election, I am going to support and endorse Penny Mordaunt to continue her role as our MP.
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/portsmouth-independent-snubs-offer-from-nigel-farage-and-is-throwing-his-weight-behind-penny-mordaunt-instead-46521300 -
Just look around you in the warzone in which you currently reside. I suspect it is very reminiscent of coastal Essex.Leon said:
Clacton is full of whoremongering flint knappers who spend all their time travelling around the world on other people’s money? It’s a lot more interesting than I anticipated. I should visitRoger said:
It tells you something that when the Tories have their backs to the wall they head to the darkest hard right corners they can find. Do they really have such a low opinion of their fellow Britons or maybe they're correct? Round every corner lies a Clacton or a Hartlepool full of Leons.Scott_xP said:I think grovelling Richi is about to find out what no mercy means...
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I see us perpetually spinning through the universe, forever entwined, like Paolo and Francesca da RiminiHeathener said:
No. I am you and you are I, remember.Leon said:
Are you new here?Heathener said:
This is where you’ve gone wrong. Well, one of the many places.Leon said:
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
WE LAID THAT FUCKER DOWN
It’s too simplistic to state that Brexit was a populist right wing move. It was more about perceived liberty from a heavily centralised and undemocratic institution, and of course a reaction to metropolitan elitist autocracy that had ridden roughshod over ordinary people and was out of touch with their everyday challenges. There were many on the left who supported Brexit and others in the centre e.g. Frank Field who did not believe the EU to be a democratically accountable institution.
You will I’m sure remember all this from your days of being an ardent supporter on here of the EU, until you walked to the voting booth and had another of your flip-flops.
My name is Seanetta and I claim my 5 Euros.1 -
One feels that horse has boltedRochdalePioneers said:This Ross story is increasingly absurd. He's quitting the leadership. Why? Because his colleagues do not trust his judgement or motivation. So why should the people of ANME. And he's quitting Holyrood in favour of Westminster, having very recently declared he was quitting Westminster in favour of Holyrood.
The communities in my constituency are not pawns to be pushed around by his bizarre attempt for relevancy. Is he deliberately setting out to turn his party into an utter joke???1 -
I'm not voting LD but it is good that they are proposing some things which might help with Social Care.
I don't think we are going to see that from CON or LAB. No obvious sign of any such help from CON or LAB governments since 1979.1 -
Note of caution Heathener: in 1997 the Labour lead halved between this point and election day.Heathener said:OT it’s now June 10th and the most recent opinion polls had fieldwork from 6-8th and 5th-7th.
We need some fresh data please. They should now be post Faragasm and D-Day gate and we may have a clearer picture of how this election is heading.
My sense is that nothing much from here will change, barring anything extraordinary. People begin voting next week ...0 -
The logical conclusion, if the locals don't want to reward this behaviour and aren't terribly keen on secession (or the Edinburgh Government) either, is to find some alternative. Somebody rational and articulate to represent their interests.RochdalePioneers said:This Ross story is increasingly absurd. He's quitting the leadership. Why? Because his colleagues do not trust his judgement or motivation. So why should the people of ANME. And he's quitting Holyrood in favour of Westminster, having very recently declared he was quitting Westminster in favour of Holyrood.
The communities in my constituency are not pawns to be pushed around by his bizarre attempt for relevancy. Is he deliberately setting out to turn his party into an utter joke???
That Andrew Brown chap is meant to be quite nice 😁1 -
You beat me to it!!!rottenborough said:Well done to LibDems for focusing on social care and the links to failing NHS.
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If he gets past the ''why do you hate veterans and baby Jesus'' openingBenpointer said:
Will allow Sunak to repetitively chant "Labour has no Plan!" on Wednesday's leadership debate, annoyingly.wooliedyed said:
Mon LDrottenborough said:
Lab is thursday apparentlyAnabobazina said:Libs launching their manifesto. When are the Tory and Labour launches? Do we know?
Tues Con
Weds Green for lolz
Thurs Lab2 -
Leon said:
I see us perpetually spinning through the universe, forever entwined, like Paolo and Francesca da RiminiHeathener said:
No. I am you and you are I, remember.Leon said:
Are you new here?Heathener said:
This is where you’ve gone wrong. Well, one of the many places.Leon said:
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
WE LAID THAT FUCKER DOWN
It’s too simplistic to state that Brexit was a populist right wing move. It was more about perceived liberty from a heavily centralised and undemocratic institution, and of course a reaction to metropolitan elitist autocracy that had ridden roughshod over ordinary people and was out of touch with their everyday challenges. There were many on the left who supported Brexit and others in the centre e.g. Frank Field who did not believe the EU to be a democratically accountable institution.
You will I’m sure remember all this from your days of being an ardent supporter on here of the EU, until you walked to the voting booth and had another of your flip-flops.
My name is Seanetta and I claim my 5 Euros.
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The political class have completely failed on social care. It is a disgrace.londonpubman said:I'm not voting LD but it is good that they are proposing some things which might help with Social Care.
I don't think we are going to see that from CON or LAB. No obvious sign of any such help from CON or LAB governments since 1979.1 -
I think it's a good tax cut, if tax cuts were achievable. Will this be paid for by 'cracking down on tax avoidance'?wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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More like Arthur Mullard and Hylda BakerLeon said:
I see us perpetually spinning through the universe, forever entwined, like Paolo and Francesca da RiminiHeathener said:
No. I am you and you are I, remember.Leon said:
Are you new here?Heathener said:
This is where you’ve gone wrong. Well, one of the many places.Leon said:
Yes, we voted for Brexit, the most populist right move EVAHHeathener said:
Unquestionably and incontrovertibly true.Jonathan said:Conservatives need to take on and defeat the populist right, else they die. It’s quite simple.
But it’s delicious that the headbangers, with representatives on here, are oblivious to this. (e.g. @Leon @Luckyguy1983 )
Why such glee? Because the longer they stay out on the Right, the longer they stay out of power. @TSE gets this. Pity others of you don’t.
You win power in the UK by winning the centre. We are NOT an extremist country. We don’t like rabble rousers. We don’t like right-wing or left-wing extreme ideologies.
What tends to happen is that when a Party loses power it then lurches to the Left or the Right … and goes on losing and losing and losing until the boneheads are booted out and common sense prevails.
Don’t yer know yer history?
WE LAID THAT FUCKER DOWN
It’s too simplistic to state that Brexit was a populist right wing move. It was more about perceived liberty from a heavily centralised and undemocratic institution, and of course a reaction to metropolitan elitist autocracy that had ridden roughshod over ordinary people and was out of touch with their everyday challenges. There were many on the left who supported Brexit and others in the centre e.g. Frank Field who did not believe the EU to be a democratically accountable institution.
You will I’m sure remember all this from your days of being an ardent supporter on here of the EU, until you walked to the voting booth and had another of your flip-flops.
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Surely benefit fraud.Benpointer said:
I think it's a good tax cut, if tax cuts were achievable. Will this be paid for by 'cracking down on tax avoidance'?wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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Kicking benefits claimants in the nutsack this oneBenpointer said:
I think it's a good tax cut, if tax cuts were achievable. Will this be paid for by 'cracking down on tax avoidance'?wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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I did enjoy that Richard Holden interview. Who would have thought that the 'brains' behind Currygate was this crap at politics?5
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Re Leon's comment on 'erstwhile' and Beowulf, both 'aer' and 'hwil', which two words are the origin of erstwhile, actually occur in Beowulf.MattW said:
I'm assuming you do know about the Saxon remains at Newent Church.Leon said:
Strange but likeable word, "erstwhile". Feels like some incredible survival from Beowulf. Like happening on an Anglo-Saxon chapel in NewentFarooq said:
It's the erstwhility of erstwhile Conservatives that's their current electoral predicament.Leon said:
But they are erstwhile, who cares?Cicero said:
I agree on the narrow point of Farage, he is probably disliked by too many, he is very Marmite. I cannot see a successful Tory-Reform party led by him, it would have to be a Tory and he'd be second in command
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Is that Peppa? Has Boris been helping his old friend Rishi out?HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
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He is nice! We got on very well when I met him. Seamus Logan the SNP candidate the same - we shook hands, showed respect and even took a selfie.pigeon said:
The logical conclusion, if the locals don't want to reward this behaviour and aren't terribly keen on secession (or the Edinburgh Government) either, is to find some alternative. Somebody rational and articulate to represent their interests.RochdalePioneers said:This Ross story is increasingly absurd. He's quitting the leadership. Why? Because his colleagues do not trust his judgement or motivation. So why should the people of ANME. And he's quitting Holyrood in favour of Westminster, having very recently declared he was quitting Westminster in favour of Holyrood.
The communities in my constituency are not pawns to be pushed around by his bizarre attempt for relevancy. Is he deliberately setting out to turn his party into an utter joke???
That Andrew Brown chap is meant to be quite nice 😁
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The DRoss resignation only piles the pressure onto Sunak. Scot Tories without a leader. Don’t tell me that leaders can’t resign mid-campaign as he’s just done it….0
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Commenting for the first time in a long time after going back to lurking - I don't believe there will be a complete Tory disaster but who knows - there is a certain fin de siecle feeling in the air like 97 or 2010. But no matter the outcome it is just not possible to forecast the next election - just 5 years ago and even since then we were told that Labour would need more than one election cycle to get a majority. The big risk for them is that unlike 97 they are not taking over a good economic situation, and will need to use up any goodwill they will have as a new administration. 2029 could be anything.1
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Fucking hell
This has knocked the comedy stuffing out of me
Babi Yar has this artwork at the dark depth of the ravine where 30,000 Jews were shot and toppled. It’s a huge roofless pavilion of shot up steel cylinders and they continuously announce the names of the dead again and again and again and with the subsonic throb of some aethereally sad cantata
Noom factor 9. Dark Noom. But my god, the Noom4 -
Yep. The new mechanism is valuable to poor pensioners reliant wholly on the state handout (whom the Government doesn't much care about as they mostly back Labour,) but it's of more limited relevance to the core vote. Most Tory oldies are going to be better-off types with fat old-fashioned occupational schemes, so whining and grumbling about the unfairness of it all will continue regardless. Sunak does seem to be making everything up as he goes alongEabhal said:
Again, setting themselves up for a massive pensioner backlash. Entirely inconsistent with the thinking behind the quadruple lock.wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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Independents = Tories.Stuartinromford said:
One bit of good news for PM. The localist-populist Portsmouth Independents have decided to back her;numbertwelve said:
I think she does have a personal vote, though of course such votes tend to be diluted in landslide elections.wooliedyed said:
No, i think I may have linked once to the constituency poll in (March?) Durung a discussion on it Which had her hanging on by 4% but anyway, my feeling is not based on her popularity but that Portsmouth North Tory inclined voters might be quite motivated to get the potential LOTO over the line. And her personal ratings are the better end of the ragged gang.Heathener said:@wooliedyed thought it was you who said Penny wouldn’t lose? Actually, come to think of it, it may have only been CR? If so apologies. But as you’ve now said it, I think she’s going to lose x
We will see.
I make it about 50/50 she survives.
George Madgwick, the leader of the Portsmouth Independent Group, has snubbed an offer from Nigel Farage to stand for Reform and is instead urging residents to vote for Penny Mordaunt.
Madgwick has told Portsmouth residents to back Mordaunt’s re-election in Portsmouth North after he decides not to stand in the general election. Madgwick said he declined an offer from Nigel Farage to stand for Reform UK last week, saying, “I don’t believe it is a democratic party – they’re set up like a business with no real voting or democratic structure.”
In an online statement, Madgwick explains his decision: “I’ve decided not to stand as I don’t feel it’s best for our community. My aim is to always get our area the best representation it can. So, I’ve decided that in this election, I am going to support and endorse Penny Mordaunt to continue her role as our MP.
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/portsmouth-independent-snubs-offer-from-nigel-farage-and-is-throwing-his-weight-behind-penny-mordaunt-instead-4652130
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The other risk is if they are up against Farage leading the Conservatives as he can convincingly say he has been against the last 14 years whereas Sunak, Braverman et al look ridiculous when they do so.Nemtynakht said:Commenting for the first time in a long time after going back to lurking - I don't believe there will be a complete Tory disaster but who knows - there is a certain fin de siecle feeling in the air like 97 or 2010. But no matter the outcome it is just not possible to forecast the next election - just 5 years ago and even since then we were told that Labour would need more than one election cycle to get a majority. The big risk for them is that unlike 97 they are not taking over a good economic situation, and will need to use up any goodwill they will have as a new administration. 2029 could be anything.
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Wasn't there something about David Cameron and a pig?Benpointer said:
Is that Peppa? Has Boris been helping his old friend Rishi out?HYUFD said:
Rishi now has a giant pink pig bursting through a street in his latest ad this morning. I am serious! Don't know what the CCHQ team were on last night but must have been strongToryJim said:New Rishi Sunak language on D-Day debacle - 'I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me'
'I absolutely didn’t mean to cause anyone any more upset, and that’s why I apologise unreservedly for the mistake that I made
'And I just hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me and look at my actions that I’ve taken as prime minister to support our armed forces'
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1800099846981890385?s=46
The PM reduced to pitiful pleading of the “please don’t hurt me” variety. Abject. Embarrassing.
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1800074182715494714
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The main thing is that this problem has only arisen because some nitwit decided to freeze income tax thresholds during a time of significant inflation.pigeon said:
Yep. The new mechanism is valuable to poor pensioners reliant wholly on the state handout (whom the Government doesn't much care about as they mostly back Labour,) but it's of more limited relevance to the core vote. Most Tory oldies are going to be better-off types with fat old-fashioned occupational schemes, so whining and grumbling about the unfairness of it all will continue regardless. Sunak does seem to be making everything up as he goes alongEabhal said:
Again, setting themselves up for a massive pensioner backlash. Entirely inconsistent with the thinking behind the quadruple lock.wooliedyed said:2p off NI in the Tory manifesto apparently. The absolute shittest of the tax cuts. Of course.
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Listening to Sunaks new mea culpa over DDay I think its probably time for the press to move on now. He's offered a proper apology and admitted by words what a dreadful decision it was so its up to voters whether to accept or reject that. But we go to the polls in 3 and a half weeks and the future of the country really isn't about that one afternoon in Normandy.
They've got a job to do covering the election, I think they've probably exhausted anything to be gleaned from this part of it.
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Bad kormaClutch_Brompton said:I did enjoy that Richard Holden interview. Who would have thought that the 'brains' behind Currygate was this crap at politics?
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It’s one of those places where you instantly want to run away, and yet the fearsome beauty compels you to stay. Maybe that is the essence of noom
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