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Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Seems to Labours Vaughan Gethin, candidate to replace Drakeford in Wales, has questions to answer on dodgy donations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-6850125

Probably fibs. The BBC have pulled it already. You know, like Royal photos.

TimS said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Mexicanpete said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Have you tried Samuel Adams?

I think it’s hard to judge national standards of beer in deregulated markets because they’re all pretty similarly diverse. Unlike wine or malt whisky beer is not really a product of its terroir. So as long as you can source good malt and hops from somewhere, and have decent water, you can make similarly good beer anywhere.

The only things that really shift things nationally are regulation (stifling or encouraging experimentation and diversity, on which most Western countries are now pretty deregulated), and local tastes and tradition, where we’ve all converged somewhat in recent years. Craft beer in France tastes pretty similar to craft beer in the UK or US or Japan. But Belgian beers remain very distinct, as to a lesser extent does British real ale.

Whisky is pretty much the same as beer (because it's made by creating a basic beer, then distilling it and aging the resulting spirit) - regional differences are based on distilling traditions more than actual terroir. Smokiness from peat used in the malting process is common in Islay whiskies, but that's due to it being a plentiful fuel there traditionally. It can be used anywhere.

I did think after posting that yes, you could import peat from Scotland if you wanted to, but it doesn’t generally happen, and you could likewise do so with grapes (and some do) to make wine. But we have appellation contrôlée to deal with that and PDOs likewise for whisky.

Well, sort of. A lot of the barley for Scotch whisky comes from all over (Scotland, RoUK, even overseas) and it is usually malted at large central maltings, one of the biggest being in England. If a peated malt is specified, it can be done there, with the desired degree of 'peatiness'. There are more authentic examples of malting and kilning in or near specific distilleries within the industry, as well as whiskies that specifically use Scottish or region-specific barley, but it's not a legal requirement. A Scotch whisky needs to be aged for a minimum of 3 years in Scotland, in oak casks. That is afaik the only requirement. I think a single malt has also to be bottled here, but not a blend.

Interesting, I stand corrected. In which case just wine (and PDO cider / perry I suppose) that at least on theory is fixed to terroir.

Carnyx said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Beer has gone downhill over the last 5 years or so, unfortunately. Too much poor quality IPAs that taste like crappy lagers have pushed out more interesting craft beers, and a lot of breweries have been lost.

Definitely. Also too many IPAs with weird flavours. I've stopped ordering my doorstep deliveries from the previous supplier who put all sorts of weird stuff in the box, and gone back to dependable Black Isle who have a decent core selection and a small selection of varying extras.

Foxy said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Beer has gone downhill over the last 5 years or so, unfortunately. Too much poor quality IPAs that taste like crappy lagers have pushed out more interesting craft beers, and a lot of breweries have been lost.

Yes, I agree. Weird acid fruit flavours do not an interesting beer make. I am quite keen to try new things but beer should taste of beer.

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Mexicanpete said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Have you tried Samuel Adams?

I think it’s hard to judge national standards of beer in deregulated markets because they’re all pretty similarly diverse. Unlike wine or malt whisky beer is not really a product of its terroir. So as long as you can source good malt and hops from somewhere, and have decent water, you can make similarly good beer anywhere.

The only things that really shift things nationally are regulation (stifling or encouraging experimentation and diversity, on which most Western countries are now pretty deregulated), and local tastes and tradition, where we’ve all converged somewhat in recent years. Craft beer in France tastes pretty similar to craft beer in the UK or US or Japan. But Belgian beers remain very distinct, as to a lesser extent does British real ale.

Whisky is pretty much the same as beer (because it's made by creating a basic beer, then distilling it and aging the resulting spirit) - regional differences are based on distilling traditions more than actual terroir. Smokiness from peat used in the malting process is common in Islay whiskies, but that's due to it being a plentiful fuel there traditionally. It can be used anywhere.

I did think after posting that yes, you could import peat from Scotland if you wanted to, but it doesn’t generally happen, and you could likewise do so with grapes (and some do) to make wine. But we have appellation contrôlée to deal with that and PDOs likewise for whisky.

Well, sort of. A lot of the barley for Scotch whisky comes from all over (Scotlandafter , RoUK, even overseas) and it is usually malted at large central maltings, one of the biggest being in England. If a peated malt is specified, it can be done there, with the desired degree of 'peatiness'. There are more authentic examples of malting and kilning in or near specific distilleries within the industry, as well as whiskies that specifically use Scottish or region-specific barley, but it's not a legal requirement. A Scotch whisky needs to be aged for a minimum of 3 years in Scotland, in oak casks. That is afaik the only requirement. I think a single malt has also to be bottled here, but not a blend.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Even The Telegraph are mocking the Royals.

Donkeys said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Scott_xP said:

It's on, lads...

@Steven_Swinford

I'm told Sir Graham Brady and Rishi Sunak *did not* discuss resignation letters when they spoke on the fringes of the 1922 executive committee meeting yesterday

It was a routine meeting ahead of a reception on the Terrace that takes place once a term

Resignation letters? Does he mean VONC letters?

No. VONC letters may have been what they did discuss.

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Beer has gone downhill over the last 5 years or so, unfortunately. Too much poor quality IPAs that taste like crappy lagers have pushed out more interesting craft beers, and a lot of breweries have been lost.

carnforth said:

Carnyx said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

I stopped being so rah rah Buy British in 1995 when I visited Seattle and tried the microbrewery products around Pioneer Square. I wonder what it's like now?

https://www.machinehousebrewery.com/

They now make very decent English Ale, and serve it properly through beer engines. A lovely place to waste an afternoon.

Carnyx said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Beer has gone downhill over the last 5 years or so, unfortunately. Too much poor quality IPAs that taste like crappy lagers have pushed out more interesting craft beers, and a lot of breweries have been lost.

Definitely. Also too many IPAs with weird flavours. I've stopped ordering my doorstep deliveries from the previous supplier who put all sorts of weird stuff in the box, and gone back to dependable Black Isle who have a decent core selection and a small selection of varying extras.

Chris said:

tyson said:

BTW Badenoch's comments asking for forgiveness? What? Seriously? The Guy has been profoundly racist, misogynist, incited violence against women in politics....

I wonder if that 10 mill he's given pays for a spot of forgiveness.

Surely, like everything else Tory politicians do these days, this has nothing to do with right, wrong or common sense, and everything to do with jockeying for the succession.

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Seems to Labours Vaughan Gethin, candidate to replace Drakeford in Wales, has questions to answer on dodgy donations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-68501256

Do you live in Wales? This story has been going on for weeks. I won't comment directly because I have a third party involvement with the organisation in question.I will comment more generally.

Even if everything is above board, the Environment Minister accepting a donation from an Environmental contractor is nonetheless never a good look.

What question is that

You know I live in Wales, have a Welsh grandfather, have 3 Welsh Children and 5 Welsh Grandchildren and this story has been on going as you say but tonight the BBC have made a story of it

Is corruption by conservatives bad, but alleged corruption by labour must be excusable

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Maybe someone like Mordaunt could pull off a “nostra maxima culpa” strategy and argue that the Tories might have made a mess of everything, but that’s no reason to elect the Labour Party.

Leon said:

carnforth said:

Leon said:

The largest fortress in South America. San Felipe de Barajas, Cartagena

The guides taking around the Americans keep emphasising that it was built as a bulwark to try and fend off the British - as we were so overwhelmingly aggressive, successfully conquering much of the world

Is it bad this makes me kinda proud?

Also sad, now we can’t even build a bloody railway to Manchester

I’ve been reading Patrick Leigh-Fermor’s Caribbean book, which introduces this huge Haitian fort I’d never heard of, the largest in the Carribean:



For protection of the revolutionaries against the French, though. Built by 10000 recently freed slaves.

And now Haiti is reduced to literal cannibalism

I’ve been reading a book by some British traveller to Haiti in late Victorian times. Haiti was hellish back then, yet - he says - “the Spanish republics are somehow even more violent”

Nothing changes?

Leon said:

Heh

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat

One big beast missing from your list.

Gove.

Does he want it? He certainly used to.

Has he the experience to go into No 10 without looking ridiculous? Under the circumstances, just about. More so than the others you list.

Is this his last chance? Hell, yes.

Is it absurd? Yeah. But who wouldn't be absurd? Besides, the young cardinals would be fine with an old Pope. And as Jim Hacker's Chief Whip used to say, you never know unless you suck it and see.

It may well destroy the Conservative Party, but that might amuse him as well.

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

What a gigantic steaming pile of wank.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Mexicanpete said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Have you tried Samuel Adams?

I think it’s hard to judge national standards of beer in deregulated markets because they’re all pretty similarly diverse. Unlike wine or malt whisky beer is not really a product of its terroir. So as long as you can source good malt and hops from somewhere, and have decent water, you can make similarly good beer anywhere.

The only things that really shift things nationally are regulation (stifling or encouraging experimentation and diversity, on which most Western countries are now pretty deregulated), and local tastes and tradition, where we’ve all converged somewhat in recent years. Craft beer in France tastes pretty similar to craft beer in the UK or US or Japan. But Belgian beers remain very distinct, as to a lesser extent does British real ale.

Whisky is pretty much the same as beer (because it's made by creating a basic beer, then distilling it and aging the resulting spirit) - regional differences are based on distilling traditions more than actual terroir. Smokiness from peat used in the malting process is common in Islay whiskies, but that's due to it being a plentiful fuel there traditionally. It can be used anywhere.

I did think after posting that yes, you could import peat from Scotland if you wanted to, but it doesn’t generally happen, and you could likewise do so with grapes (and some do) to make wine. But we have appellation contrôlée to deal with that and PDOs likewise for whisky.

Well, sort of. A lot of the barley for Scotch whisky comes from all over (Scotlandafter , RoUK, even overseas) and it is usually malted at large central maltings, one of the biggest being in England. If a peated malt is specified, it can be done there, with the desired degree of 'peatiness'. There are more authentic examples of malting and kilning in or near specific distilleries within the industry, as well as whiskies that specifically use Scottish or region-specific barley, but it's not a legal requirement. A Scotch whisky needs to be aged for a minimum of 3 years in Scotland, in oak casks. That is afaik the only requirement. I think a single malt has also to be bottled here, but not a blend.

Am I right in thinking your work is in the whisky industry? I’m not an inveterate whisky drinker but several pals are and I find it quite interesting. On the peaty thing, the peatiness of the water used for the distilling is sometimes mentioned, is that just bs?

Is ‘Whisky’ by James Ross read much nowadays? He was one of my dad’s best pals, and in fact my dad married his widow after Ross died unfortunately young in a car crash.

http://www.peadar.dds.nl/whiskybooks/ross.html

Used to be.

The peat in the water is imho very much a myth in terms of having an influence on the final taste. There's just far to much else that's going to happen to that water for that to be a thing.

There is magic and mystery to the process, and a sense of the power of the place though, don't get me wrong. Scotland's plentiful, pure water that's ideal for whisky production, the magic to the spirit maturing in the casks in the cold fresh air of bonded warehouseses over years (Indian whisky matures in weeks, where's the mystery in that?). Maritime distilleries somehow developing a saline quality in their whiskies. The shapes of the copper pot stills and the way that influences copper contact and makes the spirit of different distilleries totally different.

The best thing about it is the way that each part of the process imparts something to the final flavour, and you just don't know what's going to come out of the cask at the end.

I couldn't tell you whether that book is widely read by whisky fans as I'm shamefully out of touch with many of my whisky friends, and also a very badly-read person myself (pontificating on PB too much).

I think the key to unlocking an enjoyment of whisky is getting used to the alcohol level, and you can do that pretty quickly by repeatedly nosing the whisky till the nose prickle goes, then swirling the first mouthful all round the mouth whilst breathing out through your nose, which is horrible, but sipping gently after that, it's a lot sweeter and gentler. Do as many comparative tastings as possible, and start them like that. It then becomes like mother's milk very quickly. Then all your distillery visits and tastings, there's more point - it becomes less of an academic appreciation and more of a good time. That's my two pence.

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sounds like the white nationalism that is also voting for Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, NZ First, Vox, the Sweden Democrats etc.

It is not unique to Britain with our rising Reform vote wanting to turn the clock back and move the immigrants back to their birthplace

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sounds like the white nationalism that is also voting for Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, NZ First, Vox, the Sweden Democrats etc.

It is not unique to Britain with our rising Reform vote wanting to turn the clock back and move the immigrants back to their birthplace

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sounds like the white nationalism that is also voting for Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, NZ First, Vox, the Sweden Democrats etc.

It is not unique to Britain with our rising Reform vote wanting to turn the clock back and move the immigrants back to their birthplace

And now Portugal with Chega

The point he makes is actually more sophisticated than that. The British are by nature tolerant and moderate - they DON’T vote for extremists. Which is enormously creditable. A Britain that voted fascist or communist would not be Britain

And yet things are getting so bad extreme measures might be the only thing that work - but does that sacrifice Britishness itself?

numbertwelve said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Maybe someone like Mordaunt could pull off a “nostra maxima culpa” strategy and argue that the Tories might have made a mess of everything, but that’s no reason to elect the Labour Party.

She’s definitely in danger of losing her seat in a big defeat too. So might be worth a punt at the top job. Might never get another go.

Mexicanpete said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sounds like the white nationalism that is also voting for Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, NZ First, Vox, the Sweden Democrats etc.

It is not unique to Britain with our rising Reform vote wanting to turn the clock back and move the immigrants back to their birthplace

What a depressing second paragraph. I hope you are reporting rather than advocating.

Pro_Rata said:

numbertwelve said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Maybe someone like Mordaunt could pull off a “nostra maxima culpa” strategy and argue that the Tories might have made a mess of everything, but that’s no reason to elect the Labour Party.

She’s definitely in danger of losing her seat in a big defeat too. So might be worth a punt at the top job. Might never get another go.

What we all tend to miss here and in the custom of the air around most Tory defenestrations being thick with leadership plotting, is that the defenestration and the election are two separate event.

But, it would be quite possible for a stampede of panicking backbenchers to oust Sunak, without any particular desire from the likely runners and riders in a subsequent leadership contest to precipitate such an event.

Then what would they be to do? "I actually wanted to be LOTO, so I'm going to sit this one out?". The risk of blowing your chance Vs the risk of losing your chance.

Leon said:

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

"“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy,"

Well, apart from the civil war and various revolts, riots and insurrections.

Hence my dispute with his use of the word “cosy”

He’s describing a Britain of the polite middle classes at a certain time

For my Cornish ancestors down the tinmines aged 11 - with a life expectancy of 27 - Britain did not feel very “cosy”

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

"“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy,"

Well, apart from the civil war and various revolts, riots and insurrections.

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

"“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy,"

Well, apart from the civil war and various revolts, riots and insurrections.

Hence my dispute with his use of the word “cosy”

He’s describing a Britain of the polite middle classes at a certain time

For my Cornish ancestors down the tinmines aged 11 - with a life expectancy of 27 - Britain did not feel very “cosy”

He sounds like yet another alt-right person who wants to live a nice, upper middle class english life from the 1950s where everyone knew their place and you could leave your doors unlocked and there was only two cars in the whole street and my Dad had one of them.

HYUFD said:

Mexicanpete said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sounds like the white nationalism that is also voting for Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, NZ First, Vox, the Sweden Democrats etc.

It is not unique to Britain with our rising Reform vote wanting to turn the clock back and move the immigrants back to their birthplace

What a depressing second paragraph. I hope you are reporting rather than advocating.

Reporting, I also think sadly the fact we have the first non white PM is also driving some of the rise in the Reform vote. It was racist reaction to Obama's presidency too that partly drove the rise of Trump

Theuniondivvie said:

williamglenn said:

Recreating the conditions of post-war Britain can’t be that hard. All we have to do is build an empire by conquering the world and then give it up in order to conquer the Germans.

With the help of the Americans and Russians.
A version of that (US avec Trump, former SU minus Ukraine) might pan out.

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

"“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy,"

Well, apart from the civil war and various revolts, riots and insurrections.

Hence my dispute with his use of the word “cosy”

He’s describing a Britain of the polite middle classes at a certain time

For my Cornish ancestors down the tinmines aged 11 - with a life expectancy of 27 - Britain did not feel very “cosy”

He sounds like yet another alt-right person who wants to live a nice, upper middle class english life from the 1950s where everyone knew their place and you could leave your doors unlocked and there was only two cars in the whole street and my Dad had one of them.

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

Beer has gone downhill over the last 5 years or so, unfortunately. Too much poor quality IPAs that taste like crappy lagers have pushed out more interesting craft beers, and a lot of breweries have been lost.

carnforth said:

Scott_xP said:

How to stop people getting into boats to come here...

@breeallegretti
Exclusive:

Failed asylum seekers will be offered up to £3,000 to encourage them to move to Rwanda under a new voluntary scheme being drawn up by ministers.

https://www.houseinrwanda.com/property/sale/house/house-sale-bugesera-near-airport-rwanda

Can get a whole house for that. Complete with “boy’s quarter” whatever that is. Child servant?

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

HYUFD said:

Mexicanpete said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

This is going viral on X

An interesting perspective


“The appeal of Britain--of England--is that it was a small and settled place, which was homely and cosy, in which a person could feel truly relaxed and at their ease. That people could trust one another, help one another, and believe the people in power were actually doing their best. This made us a polished gem among the nations.

All that is gone now, of course. What was a delicate social fabric that had been woven together through hundreds of years of closeness and companionship was utterly destroyed in only a few decades by the ravages of mass immigration, Blair's social contractism, and the attempt to instantiate an artificial liberal order oriented towards universal recognition for all groups.

Now, nobody feels at home, everyone feels that they must be on their guard, and Britain is a colder and more depressing place for it.

This was not what was asked for and nobody knows how to fix this mess. The country is despondent, dilapidated, and decomposing, but there is nothing to be done. The answers are out of reach to our mediocre political class and the public realise that it isn't that voting won't work, but there is nobody worth voting for because nobody presents a genuine alternative that doesn't seem like pure evil.

Even if some kind of fascist group came to power, they would be unable to bring back the gentle, loving country that once existed here because their means would be alien to this land and their harsh methods would feel like an invasion. The nostalgia that the right has for the time that existed within our living memories can't be brought back by any of the means at our disposal.

So what is to be done? Not much, it seems, as the turnout to elections would suggest there is a malaise that lies over the people of this country… Things will get worse because nothing can be done to make them better, so why wouldn't you simply leave and move somewhere else? It is irrational not to do so, but that means giving up on a historical continuity that almost no other country can boast.

I think this is why people in Britain are among the most unhappy in the world, but they just lack the means by which they can articulate the problem.

This was ours, and it was given away by our political class over the last 25 years. This is why people like Lee Anderson say things like "I want my country back." It is gone and they stole it without our consent and have given it away to people we never invited to share it with us. Then, of all things, we are told that it was never ours to begin with and every foreigner on Earth has as much right to it as we did in the first place.

Depression doesn't even begin to describe what I think the British people are feeling at the moment.“

I’m not sure Britain was ever THAT cosy - hence our enormous empire. But some of this chimes with me

https://x.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/1767157302186963007?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Sounds like the white nationalism that is also voting for Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, NZ First, Vox, the Sweden Democrats etc.

It is not unique to Britain with our rising Reform vote wanting to turn the clock back and move the immigrants back to their birthplace

What a depressing second paragraph. I hope you are reporting rather than advocating.

Reporting, I also think sadly the fact we have the first non white PM is also driving some of the rise in the Reform vote. It was racist reaction to Obama's presidency too that partly drove the rise of Trump

Theuniondivvie said:

williamglenn said:

Recreating the conditions of post-war Britain can’t be that hard. All we have to do is build an empire by conquering the world and then give it up in order to conquer the Germans.

With the help of the Americans and Russians.
A version of that (US avec Trump, former SU minus Ukraine) might pan out.

Anabobazina said:

Casino_Royale said:

Absolute bollocks that the USA has better beer than here.

The beer is much better there than 30 years ago, no one in their right mind could disagree. But, it’s still largely fizzy and cold craft beer. Cask ales remain rare. Most of the time in the States (and yes, Leon, I travel a lot) I find myself gasping for a proper pint.

@Leon might like hoppy craft IPA. Give me a pint of Landlord, Tribute or Broadside any day of the week.

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Though this feels more like 1997 than 2010. How long before the Tories were back in the lead after 1997?

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

numbertwelve said:

Starting to think the Tories have nothing to lose in dumping Sunak.

Yes it will look farcical and it could result in an existential crisis/split but there’s a high risk of that already. You never know, they might luck out and save 200 seats.

One things for sure, they ain’t gonna markedly improve under Sunak.

They ain't going to improve amongst anyone else either until they go into opposition and Labour have to deal with the economy.

Nobody else wants the job now anyway, the likes of Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, Cleverly, Jenrick, Barclay, Mordaunt etc are all polishing their CVs for Leader of the Opposition after they let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for likely general election defeat.

It is often forgotten that within 6 months of Brown's 2010 general election defeat Ed Miliband's Labour was ahead of Cameron's government in the polls so things can swing back dramatically once the electorate have let their anger out on a defeated government

Though this feels more like 1997 than 2010. How long before the Tories were back in the lead after 1997?

viewcode said:

After falling into a cat of radioactive chemicals, a radioactive cat is now striding thru the streets of Japan. Locals have been warned not to approach the cat, which is bright orange.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68547839

williamglenn said:

aTheuniondivvie said:

williamglenn said:

Recreating the conditions of post-war Britain can’t be that hard. All we have to do is build an empire by conquering the world and then give it up in order to conquer the Germans.

With the help of the Americans and Russians.
A version of that (US avec Trump, former SU minus Ukraine) might pan out.

Your ‘well actually’ is actually covered in my conment. We didn’t have to mortgage everything to the US and fight on in 1940.