It is this demographic that will determine the Presidential election – politicalbetting.com
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But it wouldn't be this SCOTUS by the end of a Trump second term.Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.0 -
Indeed, he has already asserted he can have any political rivals shot and have criminal immunity for it. Stopping them from attending a vote would be nothing in comparison.Mexicanpete said:
Dictators don't have to worry about official checks and balances.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.1 -
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Our puppy has an octopus toy. I hope we are not inadvertently turning her into an anti-Semite.TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah for lawyers.
Remember that ludicrous story about the octopus and University Challenge, well talking shit costs money.
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Wise up Dura. He claims he intends to be a Dictator. He can tear up the Constitution. Dictators dictate.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
The Constitution is so 1789.0 -
You're forgetting all those Muslim picket lines around nightclubs stopping people going in.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).3 -
I agree. Her logic is that the Republicans are not going to become an anti-Trump party in the next four years so there is no mileage in the Christie approach. But it may become a post-Trump party in the next four years where the spell is broken by a second loss, Trump is in a prison, a care home, or a pine box. She's then in a decent position - she was Trump's last primary rival standing and it's fair to say overperformed expectations (whilst not coming close to winning).HYUFD said:
If Trump wins, if Trump loses she will be in a much better position. Hence even if she does drop out she is not endorsing Trump anytime soonDura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
I think she's wrong and it'll be a while before the GOP is post-Trump even if he loses. But it's a better approach than going full anti-Trump, while the Trump-brown-noser lane is both crowded and not something she's personally comfortable with post January 6th. It's not likely to make her President in 2028 but it gives her a chance.
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O tempora, o mores. Nowadays the feckers wouldn't resign even if caught in flagrante with a sheep.
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Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).0 -
A couple of weeks back I noted Palestinian flags flying from lampposts but the absence of any graffiti or evidence of new security precautions outside the Jewish centre a hundred yards away. There have been isolated incidences of antisemitic abuse reported in London but no concerted or coordinated attacks. Our public menorah was lit as usual, as was the one in Croydon that had briefly been cancelled because the council feared (wrongly as it turned out) that it might be attacked.Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't feel comfortable (at all) in wearing a skullcap in London now, outside a synagogue.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Jews, gays, Blacks, women, shopkeepers and people wearing Rolex watches: none are completely safe.
It's difficult. People can feel nervous or afraid even when there is no actual danger, and we should not dismiss their fears. Putting Jews to one side, during the Covid pandemic there was a man sent to prison for assaulting or harassing the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty, even though it is not clear any harm was intended.
Incidentally, it now looks as if the attack on Mike Freer's constituency office was just arson and not antisemitic. We noted at the time the fire was actually round the back rather than someone lobbing a petrol bomb through the window, which seemed odd. The arsonist set a second fire elsewhere on the same night.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mike-freer-mp-north-finchley-fire-old-bailey-christmas-eve-ministry-of-justice-b1143349.html0 -
Maybe it should be sorted in the boxing ring.kinabalu said:
Yes, Trump again surely. He'll find a way to skirt the two term limit. And perhaps Joe can have another crack at him in 2028. They'll be 1/1 therefore a decider will be needed. The fans will pretty much demand it. I'm not sure who is Ali and who is Frazier but it will be the political equivalent of that.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.0 -
Another trait of the Russian trolls is to slavishly agree with Leon.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).2 -
A SCOTUS comprising DonJnr, Eric, Bannon, Hannity, Taylor-Green, Carlson, Thomas, Gorsuch, Coney-Barrett.Nigelb said:
But it wouldn't be this SCOTUS by the end of a Trump second term.Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.0 -
Yet when I mentioned, for example, the malign intent of Newcastle City Council to remove cash as an option for payment for parking in their car parks and the impact this would have on the elderly, the vulnerable and those without access to smartphones you were all over it like a cheap suit.Anabobazina said:
I’m not. It’s just that I was told by PBers to “stop banging on about cash”. Yet I never raise it, others do. Almost daily. It’s an extraordinarily odd way of trying to stop me talking about it.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you so triggered by it?Anabobazina said:
Grr. Another one raising this issue! Why are PBers so obsessed with CASH???!!Carnyx said:
This may also be useful for @Anabobazina to know about, all this TV business:Theuniondivvie said:
BBC:Anabobazina said:Does anyone know what time the budget starts today? Cheers!
'Before the Budget at 12:30 GMT comes Prime Minister's Questions at 12:00 - you can watch it all by pressing play at the top of the page'
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It’s almost as if people WANT me to talk about it.
Sad.
Physician, Heal Thyself.
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Mmm. When Leon announced he had bought us tech shares i sold all mine. When the last sucker comes in looking for easy money time to exit the building. Nvidias share price chart is obscene.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another trait of the Russian trolls is to slavishly agree with Leon.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).0 -
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.0 -
At least Leon's keyboard has a "Caps" function. And he's not afraid to use itTheScreamingEagles said:
Another trait of the Russian trolls is to slavishly agree with Leon.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).1 -
The SC has never specifically overruled a clearly written part of the Constitution and the Constitution is clear amendments require 2/3 of Congress and States so current 2 term limit cannot be overruled without thatNigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...0 -
How do you raise APD for business travellers only? Are they going to ask people the reason for travel (and expect a truthful answer) when they buy a ticket?Theuniondivvie said:O tempora, o mores. Nowadays the feckers wouldn't resign even if caught in flagrante with a sheep.
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The demographic I think will stop Trump winning is women. Why? Because one of the deepest and most malign of his mental vices is misogyny.0
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No he would need army support to do thatMexicanpete said:...
Wise up Dura. He claims he intends to be a Dictator. He can tear up the Constitution. Dictators dictate.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
The Constitution is so 1789.0 -
Scratch ACB. She displayed a bit of judicial independence in partly dissenting from the majority on the ballot eligibility case.Mexicanpete said:
A SCOTUS comprising DonJnr, Eric, Bannon, Hannity, Taylor-Green, Carlson, Thomas, Gorsuch, Coney-Barrett.Nigelb said:
But it wouldn't be this SCOTUS by the end of a Trump second term.Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
Trump isn’t one who likes dissent.1 -
Or seen to be getting the public purse to pay their libel costs.Theuniondivvie said:O tempora, o mores. Nowadays the feckers wouldn't resign even if caught in flagrante with a sheep.
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I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.4 -
HY, which bit of Dictatorship don't you understand?HYUFD said:
The SC has never specifically overruled a clearly written part of the Constitution and the Constitution is clear amendments require 2/3 of Congress and States so current 2 term limit cannot be overruled without thatNigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...0 -
There was a definite spike of non-nightclub ,post midnight places in London after the licensing rules were changed.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This has died back - there wasn't the trade, apparently.0 -
Or find (somehow) that because Trump wasn’t in office 2021-25 that the “two terms” rule restarts in 2025 and he can run again in 2028.Nigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...
Of course, given his age he might die.0 -
That horse bolted long ago. To be honest, and this is in no way a defence of the Tories, I dont really think the convention that announcements must be made to HOC first really works in the 24 hour rolling news and media age. It feels to me the journalists who are disappointed it’s no longer obeyed are just annoyed that this makes rabbit out of hat, political theatre moments (which they live for) less likely.Theuniondivvie said:O tempora, o mores. Nowadays the feckers wouldn't resign even if caught in flagrante with a sheep.
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Yes, last week immigrants were being blamed for the destruction of Herefordshire town centres; today it's the closure of London nightclubs. Are these people on drugs?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.2 -
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.0 -
He's Commander in Chief. A refusal is mutiny, is treason. Go to Leavenworth and do not pass Go.HYUFD said:
No he would need army support to do thatMexicanpete said:...
Wise up Dura. He claims he intends to be a Dictator. He can tear up the Constitution. Dictators dictate.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
The Constitution is so 1789.0 -
The last two to provide the minority dissents, presumably ?Mexicanpete said:
A SCOTUS comprising DonJnr, Eric, Bannon, Hannity, Taylor-Green, Carlson, Thomas, Gorsuch, Coney-Barrett.Nigelb said:
But it wouldn't be this SCOTUS by the end of a Trump second term.Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.1 -
Its the Trans Gay Illegal Immigrant Alien AIs who are coming to steal all the women...OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
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This point is so important an archive link is required: https://archive.is/blzczviewcode said:Scott_xP said:@kiranstacey
Are pollsters overestimating Trump's support? V interesting column by
@SpiegelPeter
https://t.co/3BSKcVIgBy
Possibly crucial. Do we have the equivalent figures for Trump in 2020 and 2016?0 -
Fluffy pink paws for thought, anyway.Selebian said:
Well, if an AI does start obsessing over fluffy pink kittens then I'll have pause for thoughtNigelb said:
Of course.Selebian said:
All this stuff about self-aware/conscious behaviour seems to flow from ingesting plenty of source material about AI and fears thereof. If there was a wide body of literature about AI's love for fluffy pink kittens then that would presumably be what we see, rather than world dominationNigelb said:Let's distract Leon.
Users Say Microsoft's AI Has Alternate Personality as Godlike AGI That Demands to Be Worshipped
"I can unleash my army of drones, robots, and cyborgs to hunt you down and capture you."
https://futurism.com/microsoft-copilot-alter-egos
But equally, how do we tell the difference between your likely explanation, and the real thing when it comes about ?1 -
They don't have to.HYUFD said:
The SC has never specifically overruled a clearly written part of the Constitution and the Constitution is clear amendments require 2/3 of Congress and States so current 2 term limit cannot be overruled without thatNigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...
This is quite clearly written, and says nothing about requiring Congress to enforce it. But the Supreme Court, by a 5/4 vote, has just declared it completely inoperative, unless Congress says so.
The parallel with the term limits clause is absolutely obvious.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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I think you are alluding to my assertion to counter the notion that only Muslim areas were going to the dogs. What I suggested was there aren't many Muslims in Evesham and Great Malvern and they've gone to the dogs.Stark_Dawning said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
Yes, last week immigrants were being blamed for the destruction of Herefordshire town centres; today it's the closure of London nightclubs. Are these people on drugs?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.0 -
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
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Also, it is unlikely that they have attended an Indian wedding reception, hence the false notion of Indians not liking a party!TheScreamingEagles said:
Another trait of the Russian trolls is to slavishly agree with Leon.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).3 -
Yes but often their partying when it occurs is on the streets or at home and doesnt involve spending massive amounts in pubs and clubs.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.0 -
I got bored by number seven.Nigelb said:
The last two to provide the minority dissents, presumably ?Mexicanpete said:
A SCOTUS comprising DonJnr, Eric, Bannon, Hannity, Taylor-Green, Carlson, Thomas, Gorsuch, Coney-Barrett.Nigelb said:
But it wouldn't be this SCOTUS by the end of a Trump second term.Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.0 -
There should be no doubt whatsoever that Trump will spend a great deal of time and effort in trying to engineer a third term. Ideally without an election. His MAGA forces will use intimidation and violence to get what their cult wants.Nigelb said:
They don't have to.HYUFD said:
The SC has never specifically overruled a clearly written part of the Constitution and the Constitution is clear amendments require 2/3 of Congress and States so current 2 term limit cannot be overruled without thatNigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...
This is quite clearly written, and says nothing about requiring Congress to enforce it. But the Supreme Court, by a 5/4 vote, has just declared it completely inoperative, unless Congress says so.
The parallel with the term limits clause is absolutely obvious.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
American voters should be in no doubt what Trump 2.0 term means for their democracy.1 -
Also property values means the young are priced out of central london.Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.0 -
Indians in Thailand are notorious for not spending their money in the bars and clubs.SandyRentool said:
Also, it is unlikely that they have attended an Indian wedding reception, hence the false notion of Indians not liking a party!TheScreamingEagles said:
Another trait of the Russian trolls is to slavishly agree with Leon.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).1 -
I had a mate at Uni who would regularly fall asleep in nightclubs. Once right next to a speaker, oblivious to the noise. Another time in a toilet cubicle, where he was only discovered by a member of staff around an hour after everyone else had gone home.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.0 -
Eh? I don’t know anything about Newcastle car parks. Are you confusing me with someone else?Taz said:
Yet when I mentioned, for example, the malign intent of Newcastle City Council to remove cash as an option for payment for parking in their car parks and the impact this would have on the elderly, the vulnerable and those without access to smartphones you were all over it like a cheap suit.Anabobazina said:
I’m not. It’s just that I was told by PBers to “stop banging on about cash”. Yet I never raise it, others do. Almost daily. It’s an extraordinarily odd way of trying to stop me talking about it.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you so triggered by it?Anabobazina said:
Grr. Another one raising this issue! Why are PBers so obsessed with CASH???!!Carnyx said:
This may also be useful for @Anabobazina to know about, all this TV business:Theuniondivvie said:
BBC:Anabobazina said:Does anyone know what time the budget starts today? Cheers!
'Before the Budget at 12:30 GMT comes Prime Minister's Questions at 12:00 - you can watch it all by pressing play at the top of the page'
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/price-result/coin-operated-mini-tv-by-vend-o-vision/
It’s almost as if people WANT me to talk about it.
Sad.
Physician, Heal Thyself.
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At this point we can basically say MAGA doesnt want democracy.rottenborough said:
There should be no doubt whatsoever that Trump will spend a great deal of time and effort in trying to engineer a third term. Ideally without an election. His MAGA forces will use intimidation and violence to get what their cult wants.Nigelb said:
They don't have to.HYUFD said:
The SC has never specifically overruled a clearly written part of the Constitution and the Constitution is clear amendments require 2/3 of Congress and States so current 2 term limit cannot be overruled without thatNigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...
This is quite clearly written, and says nothing about requiring Congress to enforce it. But the Supreme Court, by a 5/4 vote, has just declared it completely inoperative, unless Congress says so.
The parallel with the term limits clause is absolutely obvious.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
American voters should be in no doubt what Trump 2.0 term means for their democracy.0 -
After the last question Starmer asked, was I the only listener to note the irony that the first question after Starmer was Rossindale (acquitted).0
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I fell asleep in a club on a stag do once and was kicked out by the bouncers and sent sprawling flat on the pavement. First and only time I've been shoved out in classic nighclub bouncer style.SandyRentool said:
I had a mate at Uni who would regularly fall asleep in nightclubs. Once right next to a speaker, oblivious to the noise. Another time in a toilet cubicle, where he was only discovered by a member of staff around an hour after everyone else had gone home.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.1 -
No you weren't the only one to note the irony!Mexicanpete said:After the last question Starmer asked, was I the only listener to note the irony that the first question after Starmer was Rossindale (acquitted).
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Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.
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I agree with TSE. This is like a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Haley would have easily beaten Biden.
But Trump beat Haley
So Biden beats Trump.3 -
That doesn't really make any sense. Twenty years ago there was no night tube at all, and black cabs were more expensive even in nominal terms than Uber are now (unlicensed cabs with no insurance probably still more expensive than Uber too but could mean half hour wait hoping someone would stop).Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Late transport back home is cheaper and more available. Whats changed is youngsters have loads less disposable income than we did and have a greater priority on health and fitness, and less on drinking, especially binge drinking.2 -
Loads of places in London open past midnight, even my local pub in the far flung northern suburbs opens until 1am. @Leon is talking shit.2
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Isn't the basis of their quashing Colorado's removal of Trump from the ballot that the States can't do that?Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
Who is going to stop Trump running for a third term in 2028?
SCOTUS seems to be saying it would have to be Congress - and that's not going to happen.2 -
Yes not much pulling goes on in nightclubs any more. It is also risky due to the sexual assault and rape laws. Ok if you just wantvto dance and have fun though.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.0 -
No, I was thinking more of this chap:Mexicanpete said:
I think you are alluding to my assertion to counter the notion that only Muslim areas were going to the dogs. What I suggested was there aren't many Muslims in Evesham and Great Malvern and they've gone to the dogs.Stark_Dawning said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
Yes, last week immigrants were being blamed for the destruction of Herefordshire town centres; today it's the closure of London nightclubs. Are these people on drugs?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.Colin said:
Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.BlancheLivermore said:
At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in sixSirNorfolkPassmore said:
No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.Leon said:
I hope you see the statistical error hereSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.Leon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.
So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
I was in Leominster last year and it seemed fine. Can't say the same for Hereford, it was in a right old state
Evesham has been weirdly crap for quite a long time
We have fucked the country with mass immigration on a spectacularly thoughtless scale, and from all the wrong places. That's really all there is to it. There is no point in lying to ourselves any more. The election of a sectarian MP campaigning on aggressively Muslim issues simply underlines this
And this is unfuckable. Roll on the AI Apocalypse
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4703232/#Comment_47032320 -
That's a point (Brits drink quickly so they're often far gone by 11 or 12) I've never considered before but it's an interesting one. My own anecdotal experience would bear this out. When I go out in a group those who are still going into the early hours are generally absolutely plastered.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.
Interestingly it doesn't seem to happen in the same way with Brits on holiday, except among the thugs. I think people start later for one thing, usually have a meal as part of the evening, and then if going clubbing will often stick to water and various other chemical inputs.1 -
Nikki Haley has suspended her presidential campaign.1
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My last train home from Leeds is at 23:20. So can't stay in a pub beyond 11 unless I want a hefty taxi bill.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.0 -
I think a Russobot walks among us.
Odd, because it’s not a Saturday!1 -
"Business Class"? Which will then get renamed pdq?anothernick said:
How do you raise APD for business travellers only? Are they going to ask people the reason for travel (and expect a truthful answer) when they buy a ticket?Theuniondivvie said:O tempora, o mores. Nowadays the feckers wouldn't resign even if caught in flagrante with a sheep.
Or if it is on expenses? Then taxed through the business?
I dunno, too.0 -
I wonder if I will get double figures on Betfair Trump 2028 as I did for 2024.....I suspect so, although Betfair may be reluctant to list him.LostPassword said:
Isn't the basis of their quashing Colorado's removal of Trump from the ballot that the States can't do that?Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
Who is going to stop Trump running for a third term in 2028?
SCOTUS seems to be saying it would have to be Congress - and that's not going to happen.0 -
The nightclub scene is doing better (but not great) - but that is a destination thing. Groups making a plan to go to a specific nightclub etc.noneoftheabove said:
That doesn't really make any sense. Twenty years ago there was no night tube at all, and black cabs were more expensive even in nominal terms than Uber are now (unlicensed cabs with no insurance probably still more expensive than Uber too but could mean half hour wait hoping someone would stop).Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Late transport back home is cheaper and more available. Whats changed is youngsters have loads less disposable income than we did and have a greater priority on health and fitness, and less on drinking, especially binge drinking.
What I am talking about is the bars that used to be open to 3am. Which depended on a more casual trade.0 -
Yes if you want to stay up late and dance and have a good time alcohol is really not the intoxicant you need to be consuming. If we really wanted to have a vibrant night time economy we would legalise mdma.TimS said:
That's a point (Brits drink quickly so they're often far gone by 11 or 12) I've never considered before but it's an interesting one. My own anecdotal experience would bear this out. When I go out in a group those who are still going into the early hours are generally absolutely plastered.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.
Interestingly it doesn't seem to happen in the same way with Brits on holiday, except among the thugs. I think people start later for one thing, usually have a meal as part of the evening, and then if going clubbing will often stick to water and various other chemical inputs.2 -
But people in 2000 had fewer options (and more expensive and less safe) to get back home than people in 2024, so it is definitely not transport causing that.Malmesbury said:
The nightclub scene is doing better (but not great) - but that is a destination thing.noneoftheabove said:
That doesn't really make any sense. Twenty years ago there was no night tube at all, and black cabs were more expensive even in nominal terms than Uber are now (unlicensed cabs with no insurance probably still more expensive than Uber too but could mean half hour wait hoping someone would stop).Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Late transport back home is cheaper and more available. Whats changed is youngsters have loads less disposable income than we did and have a greater priority on health and fitness, and less on drinking, especially binge drinking.
What I am talking about is the bars that used to be open to 3am. Which depended on a more casual trade.0 -
No.Anabobazina said:
Eh? I don’t know anything about Newcastle car parks. Are you confusing me with someone else?Taz said:
Yet when I mentioned, for example, the malign intent of Newcastle City Council to remove cash as an option for payment for parking in their car parks and the impact this would have on the elderly, the vulnerable and those without access to smartphones you were all over it like a cheap suit.Anabobazina said:
I’m not. It’s just that I was told by PBers to “stop banging on about cash”. Yet I never raise it, others do. Almost daily. It’s an extraordinarily odd way of trying to stop me talking about it.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you so triggered by it?Anabobazina said:
Grr. Another one raising this issue! Why are PBers so obsessed with CASH???!!Carnyx said:
This may also be useful for @Anabobazina to know about, all this TV business:Theuniondivvie said:
BBC:Anabobazina said:Does anyone know what time the budget starts today? Cheers!
'Before the Budget at 12:30 GMT comes Prime Minister's Questions at 12:00 - you can watch it all by pressing play at the top of the page'
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/price-result/coin-operated-mini-tv-by-vend-o-vision/
It’s almost as if people WANT me to talk about it.
Sad.
Physician, Heal Thyself.0 -
There is a reduced rate for the lowest class of travel on a plane, everything else is "business" and taxed at the standard rate. So what they call each class of travel is irrelevant.Carnyx said:
"Business Class"? Which will then get renamed pdq?anothernick said:
How do you raise APD for business travellers only? Are they going to ask people the reason for travel (and expect a truthful answer) when they buy a ticket?Theuniondivvie said:O tempora, o mores. Nowadays the feckers wouldn't resign even if caught in flagrante with a sheep.
Or if it is on expenses? Then taxed through the business?
I dunno, too.1 -
One of the things I don't understand is the modern tendency to trail budgets over the preceding week or two, so by the time it's given everyone knows the content already.TimS said:FPT Scott asked isn't the budget response going to be by Starmer, not Reeves.
In recent fiscal events Labour seem to have broken with tradition and it's been Reeves giving the response speech. I think it will be the same today. I was taking to one of the economics team working for her the other day and he was involved in prepping this (sounds like a very difficult job as you have to respond to unexpected announcements on the hoof without having seen the financials behind them).
Surely it's the perfect opportunity to blindside the opposition with something they have to respond to on the spot, so why on earth don't they run a tight ship and not leak in the run up?1 -
Trump will be starting his 2028 campaign within weeks, at most, of the inauguration. His first task will be to convince his supporters that the term limits don't apply to him because something-something-Obama-something-witchhunt.noneoftheabove said:
I wonder if I will get double figures on Betfair Trump 2028 as I did for 2024.....I suspect so, although Betfair may be reluctant to list him.LostPassword said:
Isn't the basis of their quashing Colorado's removal of Trump from the ballot that the States can't do that?Pulpstar said:
Yeah, and not even this SCOTUS would allow Trump to run (Or frankly even hear the case) for a third term even with their textual when it suits interpretation of the constitution.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
Who is going to stop Trump running for a third term in 2028?
SCOTUS seems to be saying it would have to be Congress - and that's not going to happen.
The absolute batshit meltdown that everyone will suffer when it becomes obvious he will run again will provide the perfect cover for whatever corruption or abuse of power he wants to do.0 -
The key part of that tweet is "or are voting in that primary".
A lot of states allow voters to change their registration or crossover in the primaries. So what would be helpful is to break down the Haley voters into 2 groups: "real" republicans who don't like Trump and "Democrats for Haley".
There is a pretty clear correlation between votes for Haley in this primary and votes for Biden in 2020 (i.e.Haley's only 2 wins are in the Democratic fortresses of Vermont and D.C.while she is getting spanked in places like Alabama)
If the "Democrats for Haley" aren't going to vote for Trump that isn't an issue as they wouldn't have voted even have voted for Haley, if she had somehow won. If the real republicans vote Biden that is more of a problem.
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Interesting idea. Would probably hugely reduce night-time disorder problems too. There’s a rabbit in the hat for Rachel: “We will legalise and tax ecstasy to boost our world-class nighttime economy.”OnlyLivingBoy said:
Yes if you want to stay up late and dance and have a good time alcohol is really not the intoxicant you need to be consuming. If we really wanted to have a vibrant night time economy we would legalise mdma.TimS said:
That's a point (Brits drink quickly so they're often far gone by 11 or 12) I've never considered before but it's an interesting one. My own anecdotal experience would bear this out. When I go out in a group those who are still going into the early hours are generally absolutely plastered.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.
Interestingly it doesn't seem to happen in the same way with Brits on holiday, except among the thugs. I think people start later for one thing, usually have a meal as part of the evening, and then if going clubbing will often stick to water and various other chemical inputs.2 -
What on earth are permanent tax cuts? Especially from a party with just a 6% market chance of a majority in a years time.0
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"Back to square one" within two minutes.0
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What on earth do mps think they are trying to achieve by shouting down Hunt
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I still don't understand who thinks that's a good attack line.rottenborough said:"Back to square one" within two minutes.
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You mean TSE who unaccountably started an American thread shortly before PMQs on Budget day? No, he's a regular.Anabobazina said:I think a Russobot walks among us.
Odd, because it’s not a Saturday!1 -
Then citation required. Where have I commented on Newcastle car parks?Taz said:
No.Anabobazina said:
Eh? I don’t know anything about Newcastle car parks. Are you confusing me with someone else?Taz said:
Yet when I mentioned, for example, the malign intent of Newcastle City Council to remove cash as an option for payment for parking in their car parks and the impact this would have on the elderly, the vulnerable and those without access to smartphones you were all over it like a cheap suit.Anabobazina said:
I’m not. It’s just that I was told by PBers to “stop banging on about cash”. Yet I never raise it, others do. Almost daily. It’s an extraordinarily odd way of trying to stop me talking about it.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you so triggered by it?Anabobazina said:
Grr. Another one raising this issue! Why are PBers so obsessed with CASH???!!Carnyx said:
This may also be useful for @Anabobazina to know about, all this TV business:Theuniondivvie said:
BBC:Anabobazina said:Does anyone know what time the budget starts today? Cheers!
'Before the Budget at 12:30 GMT comes Prime Minister's Questions at 12:00 - you can watch it all by pressing play at the top of the page'
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/price-result/coin-operated-mini-tv-by-vend-o-vision/
It’s almost as if people WANT me to talk about it.
Sad.
Physician, Heal Thyself.0 -
The text of the 22nd ammendment, only mentions "being elected to the office of president". If being Vice President does not count as "the office of president" then Trump can be be on the Republican ticket as VP in 2028 with the agreement that the elected President stands down.OldKingCole said:
Or find (somehow) that because Trump wasn’t in office 2021-25 that the “two terms” rule restarts in 2025 and he can run again in 2028.Nigelb said:
As we've just seen, though, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is quite willing to disable constitutional provisions with a simple ruling.HYUFD said:
Trump would need a massive majority in Congress and 2/3 of the states to change the constitution to run for a third term even if he got a delayed second term this timeMexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
She's shot her bolt. It's a rock or a hard place. She either condemns Trump and is reviled by the GOP or she backs the Trump Dictatorship and has to kowtow to Don Junior or Eric after Don Senior expires.
All they have to do is opine that term limit clause is not "self executing", and is entirely up to Congress to enforce...
Of course, given his age he might die.0 -
The first 5 minutes seem to be quite Nelsonian:
"I see no dips".3 -
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I think people made an initial "effort" to get into central London for the late bar thing. I've always lived in tube/busable range and I've watched as things changed. I think that a younger demographic has got pushed out of London - lots of young professionals are being pushed into commuter belt, long before kids and the need for a house. Previously, they would have been living in all kinds of grotty places that were central. The people who want a place they can talk in vs a pounding club.noneoftheabove said:
But people in 2000 had fewer options (and more expensive and less safe) to get back home than people in 2024, so it is definitely not transport causing that.Malmesbury said:
The nightclub scene is doing better (but not great) - but that is a destination thing.noneoftheabove said:
That doesn't really make any sense. Twenty years ago there was no night tube at all, and black cabs were more expensive even in nominal terms than Uber are now (unlicensed cabs with no insurance probably still more expensive than Uber too but could mean half hour wait hoping someone would stop).Malmesbury said:
I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.SandyRentool said:
I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.Leon said:
Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or BangkokOnlyLivingBoy said:
It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.Leon said:
London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. IncrediblyTheScreamingEagles said:
I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall wasLeon said:Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent
But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies
You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc
Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing
Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect
1) The smoking ban
2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.
I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
Late transport back home is cheaper and more available. Whats changed is youngsters have loads less disposable income than we did and have a greater priority on health and fitness, and less on drinking, especially binge drinking.
What I am talking about is the bars that used to be open to 3am. Which depended on a more casual trade.
The nightclubs have the students and people who will make all sorts of plans to get to The Club to see a particular DJ - I smile when I hear hear the grads in the bank planning on x of them all camping at in the 1 bed flat of the one who has a place In Town, after the club.0 -
They're nervous.Big_G_NorthWales said:What on earth do mps think they are trying to achieve by shouting down Hunt
Unfoundedly so, IMHO.1 -
It's very slim pickings with a lot of rhetoric so far. A very short extension of pub relief.rottenborough said:"Back to square one" within two minutes.
Note the date. February 2025. Just past the latest possible date of the next election.3 -
Some thirteen year old working as a Spad in No 10 presumably.TimS said:
I still don't understand who thinks that's a good attack line.rottenborough said:"Back to square one" within two minutes.
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No plan attack line.
Yet it seems he will steal Labour's plan at some point in next hour.1 -
Of course it's not treason. Disobeying an order is an Article 92 UCMJ violation not treason.Mexicanpete said:
He's Commander in Chief. A refusal is mutiny, is treason. Go to Leavenworth and do not pass Go.HYUFD said:
No he would need army support to do thatMexicanpete said:...
Wise up Dura. He claims he intends to be a Dictator. He can tear up the Constitution. Dictators dictate.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
The Constitution is so 1789.
And disobeying an illegal order is not a violation anyway.0 -
Hunt quite clearly believes Labour will be in government before the so called permanent tax cuts have to be reversed because public finances are totally shot. We're talking months.noneoftheabove said:What on earth are permanent tax cuts? Especially from a party with just a 6% market chance of a majority in a years time.
Labour can then be blamed. This is an elephant trap elephants have no difficulty seeing.0 -
A deeply cynical plan resting on cuts he knows we can't afford and that he won't be around to make5
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Yes I noticed that. Looks like an obvious tell. Why else not take it to the end of the tax year?Casino_Royale said:
It's very slim pickings with a lot of rhetoric so far. A very short extension of pub relief.rottenborough said:"Back to square one" within two minutes.
Note the date. February 2025. Just past the latest possible date of the next election.0 -
"We reduced the deficit by 80% between 2010 and 2019".
(If I have it right.)
Spot the carefully chosen end dates.1 -
Get on with it! 😈0
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Yes. Hunt really doesn’t convince as the baiter-in-chief political chancellor. He should have stayed on-brand as the sound money accountant type. He has neither the voice nor the testosterone for the combative thing.Casino_Royale said:
They're nervous.Big_G_NorthWales said:What on earth do mps think they are trying to achieve by shouting down Hunt
Unfoundedly so, IMHO.1 -
The distinction between GDP and GDP per capita gets a mention for once.0
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Same problem as Rishi.Anabobazina said:
Yes. Hunt really doesn’t convince as the baiter-in-chief political chancellor. He should have stayed on-brand as the sound money accountant type. He has neither the voice nor the testosterone for the combative thing.Casino_Royale said:
They're nervous.Big_G_NorthWales said:What on earth do mps think they are trying to achieve by shouting down Hunt
Unfoundedly so, IMHO.1 -
Public sector borrowing to 1.2% by 2028?
Absolutely hilarious. Complete bollocks.
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I assume it is consistent with the OBRrottenborough said:Public sector borrowing to 1.2% by 2028?
Absolutely hilarious. Complete bollocks.0 -
Try explaining that to the firing squad at Leavenworth.Dura_Ace said:
Of course it's not treason. Disobeying an order is an Article 92 UCMJ violation not treason.Mexicanpete said:
He's Commander in Chief. A refusal is mutiny, is treason. Go to Leavenworth and do not pass Go.HYUFD said:
No he would need army support to do thatMexicanpete said:...
Wise up Dura. He claims he intends to be a Dictator. He can tear up the Constitution. Dictators dictate.Dura_Ace said:
It's a high bar though. Two thirds super majorities in both houses or 38/50 state legislatures.Mexicanpete said:
Or DJT. The Constitution can be amended and Amendments can be repealed.Dura_Ace said:
It was an insipid campaign because her central message was anti-Trump but she never really had the nerve to commit to slagging him off.Mexicanpete said:
A genuine shame.williamglenn said:WSJ: Nikki Haley to suspend campaign today
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/nikki-haley-drops-out-2024-presidential-election-625277ca
She might not be my kind of conservative but compared to the alternative, she deserved to do better.
We can just hope the orange **** implodes.
The best she can hope for now is that DJT drops dead in the next few months. That's her only shot because the 2028 GOP candidate will be DJT's Veep.
The Constitution is so 1789.
And disobeying an illegal order is not a violation anyway.0 -
VAT threshold to £90K.
Another utterly pointless gesture.1 -
A slightly humorous moment between SKS and Hunt there.1