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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.

    Finally!!
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,083
    Pulpstar said:

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    With respect, that's £140k joint and not really the £70k / £20k "issue" people have.
    When someone on £50k "needs" child benefit it does make me wonder where we went wrong.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    No, sadly not.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    Well that should have cheered up conservatives
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,786
    Phil said:

    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
    At the very lowest levels that just encourages non-compliance, which then has a knock on effect on people's compliance for income tax. You don;t want to be catching the average spare time ebay seller.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,561

    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.

    Didn't Osborne say he was going to do that?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,414
    Child Benefit tapering over £20k and not £10k will halve the incremental marginal rate.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,388
    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503
    At first glance a reasonable budget managerially. Too little too late politically though. And of course whatever the changes the current fiscal situation is far from great.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,388

    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.

    Oh it’s SKS. Forget about that convention
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,688

    Taz said:

    Bit of banter at Rayner's expense. Lovely stuff

    Love it.

    Tories made a mistake in choosing Boris over Hunt in 2019.
    ...because an 80 seat majority wasn't enough???
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.

    He can pledge what he wants, as a wag said in parliament, he won;t be around to do anything about it.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,935
    CatMan said:

    So what was in the budget that hadn't been leaked already?

    Zilch of note.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,388

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    No, sadly not.
    Okay, thought not. Cheers for the reply
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,786
    Looks like it will be Starmer this time
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    A division called before Starmer responds
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,240

    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.

    Didn't Osborne say he was going to do that?
    Looks like Hunt is actually doing something about it though. A reduction from 10 to 6% is quite chunky - even if it is because he doesn't have the headroom to reduce income tax.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,065

    For a minute I thought he was going to abolish NI then.

    Northern Ireland? A good idea, but it's a bit outside his remit
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,561
    MikeL said:

    Child Benefit tapering over £20k and not £10k will halve the incremental marginal rate.

    A marginal amelioration of an anomaly they introduced isn't really much to boast about though.

    "Vote for us! We'll eventually get around to making partial fixes to the problems we created!"
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    PhilPhil Posts: 2,000
    edited March 6
    TimS said:

    Phil said:

    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
    At the very lowest levels that just encourages non-compliance, which then has a knock on effect on people's compliance for income tax. You don;t want to be catching the average spare time ebay seller.
    Why not? Either they’re flogging their own second hand stuff, in which case there’s no VAT to pay, or they’re actively trading & making a profit in which case they should be charging VAT like everyone else.

    Other countries in Europe follow exactly this model.

    (I would expect a very low threshold around £1000 to exempt the very small time outfits.)
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,404

    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.

    Oh it’s SKS. Forget about that convention
    Rachel Reeves is up tomorrow. They debate the Finance Bill for the rest of the week and the Shadow Chancellor leads for Labour. Sir Keir Starmer (as LotO) makes the immediate response on the day.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Are the SNP playing silly buggers in the house?
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,918
    SNP kindly giving Starmer a bit more time to prepare his response
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,414
    Looks like Labour abstaining on SNP division.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,240
    What's the division for ?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,191

    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.

    If only that had been the big headline from the Truss/Kwarteng budget then the last 18 months would have been very different.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    Pulpstar said:

    What's the division for ?

    SNP mischief making
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,240
    CGT on residential property should probably be the same as Corp Tax tbh - now it's slightly lower having been higher !
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,414
    Cutting NI means OBR raise growth forecast which then in turn means it uses less of headroom.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,446
    Not many surprises there, a decent enough Budget I thought but won't change anything too much. A bit of help to the Tories from the NIC cuts probably, but I can't see it shifting too many votes. A bit cheeky accusing Labour of having no plan, when he stole practically every policy they have announced so far!
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,083
    edited March 6
    Phil said:

    TimS said:

    Phil said:

    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
    At the very lowest levels that just encourages non-compliance, which then has a knock on effect on people's compliance for income tax. You don;t want to be catching the average spare time ebay seller.
    Why not? Either they’re flogging their own second hand stuff, in which case there’s no VAT to pay, or they’re actively trading & making a profit in which case they should be charging VAT like everyone else.

    Other countries in Europe follow exactly this model.

    (I would expect a very low threshold around £1000 to exempt the very small time outfits.)
    It adds lots of annoying overheads for micro / small businesses. And gives cowboys an advantage.

    Mrs Flatlander used to be registered but it wasn't worth the paperwork as she has almost no capital costs.

    The flat rate did improve things a bit but the chancellor (Osborne) later accused people of abusing his own scheme by using it as intended, so she de-registered.

    It all got claimed back by her (business) customers, so what was the point?
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    eekeek Posts: 25,920
    Phil said:

    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
    my suggested starting point is based on where it is set elsewhere in the eu

    https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/eu-vat-rules/eu-vat-number-registration/vat-registration-threshold.html
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,173

    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.

    Potential abolition of NI is a little rabbit - more so for the election than budget itself though.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,920
    Pulpstar said:

    CGT on residential property should probably be the same as Corp Tax tbh - now it's slightly lower having been higher !

    It’s lower to encourage some landlords to sell
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    TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,813

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    She always could. Just you then pay back the full amount via self assessment.

    We always told our clients - claim it!
    Claim it over the year, pay it back 31st January following. Cashflow!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 64,468
    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,494
    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,935
    edited March 6
    Labour sticking to its plans. Ending non-dom status. Extending windfall profits on energy companies for another year. Using IT to drive efficencies and improve productivity in the NHS. Reducing the tax burden on workers. At least Labour delivers on its promises.

    Oh, hang on.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    The next GE will follow the Autumn statement which could see a further drop in NI and a timetable equalising IT and NI

    October to mid November
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503

    Labour sticking to its plans. Ending non-dom status. Extending windfall profits on energy companies for another year. Using IT to drive efficencies and improve productivity in the NHS. Reducing the tax burden on workers. At least Labour delivers on its promises.

    Oh, hang on.

    Maybe those who say Starmer has been in charge all along were correct.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,583
    Foxy said:

    Can someone point out the Tory cuts?

    https://x.com/rcolvile/status/1765312942973632750

    image

    There are more people but their salaries have dropped considerably in real terms I guess. That is how the cuts materialise.

    I have had some treatment at a well-known NHS hospital in London recently - the staff were good but obviously rushed off their feet, the buildings are shabby, the toilets dirty and the furniture and equipment looked at least 10 years old.

    It doesn't say much for how the Tories have mismanaged the NHS. More money and staff, but wasted by poor productivity because of failure to invest in capital equipment or training.
    Part of the problem in hospitals of course is the complete collapse of the GP service. My surgery accepts enquiries only by email (3-5 day timescale for reply, often missed). You can try to phone but you will be in a queue for which reaches absurd lengths - can be 20 or 30 callers. If you manage to get through you might be given a telephone appointment - probably with a nurse rather than a doctor - in a week or two. It's hopeless - for anything urgent I would just go straight to A&E and I guess most people do the same. In fact when I was at a hospital (for another reason) the other day I saw a sign pointing to "urgent GP service".
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,083
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    It shouldn't matter what WiFi you are using if the data is tunneled properly.

    Either their explanation is nonsense on stilts or their security really is terrible.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,169
    One reason for the better growth numbers: OBR forecast of net immigration raised from 245k a year to 315k a year ....

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1765373355509633263
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    288 to 38

    What a waste of time
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,414
    Faisal Islam: suspects another Fiscal Statement coming.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,911
    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    What makes you think s/he is talking about you @Leon :smiley:
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,060

    Wow. Pledge for long-term abolition of NI.

    But presumably no cut in NI factored into deficit forecasts during 2024-2029 parliament, so one for Sunak's third term?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,563
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    Shoulda used Whatsapp?

    (I'm not up to date on it.)
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 15,341
    edited March 6

    Labour sticking to its plans. Ending non-dom status. Extending windfall profits on energy companies for another year. Using IT to drive efficencies and improve productivity in the NHS. Reducing the tax burden on workers. At least Labour delivers on its promises.

    Oh, hang on.

    Blooming Labour government, just letting foreigners in...

    Hunt has banked the growth from higher migration assumptions (now 315k a year up from 245k a year) without acknowledging the additional costs for public services.


    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1765374999559332141
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,888
    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,388

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    No, sadly not.
    Okay, thought not. Cheers for the reply

    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.

    Oh it’s SKS. Forget about that convention
    Rachel Reeves is up tomorrow. They debate the Finance Bill for the rest of the week and the Shadow Chancellor leads for Labour. Sir Keir Starmer (as LotO) makes the immediate response on the day.
    Will probably turn off the telly and get on with my work then. Wait for Rachel.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,494
    Colin said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    And his stocks are about to tank too. Hes an infallible contrarian indicator.
    I’ve invested in US tech, world tech, a US tracker, and India as a mad punt. Up so far

    Absolutely no one can predict what the AI revolution is going to do. It’s Sui generis

    But the explosion of AI means tech, despite the bubble, is definitely as good a medium-long term
    bet as any

    If the revolution is overwhelming (quite possible) then everything will be worthless - don’t even invest in a pension. It’s pointless
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,629

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    It shouldn't matter what WiFi you are using if the data is tunneled properly.

    Either their explanation is nonsense on stilts or their security really is terrible.
    In cryptography, the standard for a good system is that if the enemy has

    1) The machine (algorithm)
    2) The keys for x amount of time
    3) All the messages - present included

    Any present & future messages should still be secure.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    MikeL said:

    Faisal Islam: suspects another Fiscal Statement coming.

    Well that one definitily won't move the needle.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,388

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    She always could. Just you then pay back the full amount via self assessment.

    We always told our clients - claim it!
    Claim it over the year, pay it back 31st January following. Cashflow!
    Fair point but as I'm okay for cash I can't be bothered with the additional admin
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,240

    288 to 38

    What a waste of time

    But what did the SNP call it on ?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,414
    Pulpstar said:

    288 to 38

    What a waste of time

    But what did the SNP call it on ?
    Think it was one of the Budget resolutions that normally go through on the nod.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,148
    GIN1138 said:

    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.

    Potential abolition of NI is a little rabbit - more so for the election than budget itself though.
    It's an egg from which the rabbit is supposed to hatch. Mmmm... just about as likely too.

    It's a very good intention though - Labour should adopt it.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,494
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,388

    GIN1138 said:

    No rabbits, zero hats.

    Interested to hear Rachel’s response.

    Potential abolition of NI is a little rabbit - more so for the election than budget itself though.
    It's an egg from which the rabbit is supposed to hatch. Mmmm... just about as likely too.

    It's a very good intention though - Labour should adopt it.
    Agreed. NI is a stupid tax on work. Get rid.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,918
    edited March 6
    Pulpstar said:

    288 to 38

    What a waste of time

    But what did the SNP call it on ?
    "Eleanor Laing, the deputy speaker, is now calling a vote on certain budget measures (taxes that come into force tonight) that have to go through as soon as the budget speech is over. Normally this is down by acclamation (government MPs shouting aye), so that the Commons can get on with listening to the opposition’s response. But some MPs have forced a division (by shouting no), and there is a vote.

    It seems to have been the SNP who were forcing a division.

    After the speaker ignored Commons rules in a way that led to MPs not getting a vote on their Gaza motion last month, they have been talking about using more disruptive tactics at Westminster."


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/mar/06/spring-budget-2024-jeremy-hunt-tax-cuts-conservatives-labour-uk-politics-latest-updates
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503
    CatMan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    288 to 38

    What a waste of time

    But what did the SNP call it on ?
    "Eleanor Laing, the deputy speaker, is now calling a vote on certain budget measures (taxes that come into force tonight) that have to go through as soon as the budget speech is over. Normally this is down by acclamation (government MPs shouting aye), so that the Commons can get on with listening to the opposition’s response. But some MPs have forced a division (by shouting no), and there is a vote.

    It seems to have been the SNP who were forcing a division.

    After the speaker ignored Commons rules in a way that led to MPs not getting a vote on their Gaza motion last month, they have been talking about using more disruptive tactics at Westminster."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/mar/06/spring-budget-2024-jeremy-hunt-tax-cuts-conservatives-labour-uk-politics-latest-updates
    That'll show em.
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    PhilPhil Posts: 2,000

    Phil said:

    TimS said:

    Phil said:

    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
    At the very lowest levels that just encourages non-compliance, which then has a knock on effect on people's compliance for income tax. You don;t want to be catching the average spare time ebay seller.
    Why not? Either they’re flogging their own second hand stuff, in which case there’s no VAT to pay, or they’re actively trading & making a profit in which case they should be charging VAT like everyone else.

    Other countries in Europe follow exactly this model.

    (I would expect a very low threshold around £1000 to exempt the very small time outfits.)
    It adds lots of annoying overheads for micro / small businesses. And gives cowboys an advantage.

    Mrs Flatlander used to be registered but it wasn't worth the paperwork as she has almost no capital costs.

    The flat rate did improve things a bit but the chancellor (Osborne) later accused people of abusing his own scheme by using it as intended, so she de-registered.

    It all got claimed back by her (business) customers, so what was the point?
    You could say that about VAT at every level...
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,888
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,859
    Pulpstar said:

    What's the division for ?

    So smokers and vapers can blame the government for tomorrow's tax rises.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,083
    Phil said:

    Phil said:

    TimS said:

    Phil said:

    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
    At the very lowest levels that just encourages non-compliance, which then has a knock on effect on people's compliance for income tax. You don;t want to be catching the average spare time ebay seller.
    Why not? Either they’re flogging their own second hand stuff, in which case there’s no VAT to pay, or they’re actively trading & making a profit in which case they should be charging VAT like everyone else.

    Other countries in Europe follow exactly this model.

    (I would expect a very low threshold around £1000 to exempt the very small time outfits.)
    It adds lots of annoying overheads for micro / small businesses. And gives cowboys an advantage.

    Mrs Flatlander used to be registered but it wasn't worth the paperwork as she has almost no capital costs.

    The flat rate did improve things a bit but the chancellor (Osborne) later accused people of abusing his own scheme by using it as intended, so she de-registered.

    It all got claimed back by her (business) customers, so what was the point?
    You could say that about VAT at every level...
    Well, indeed. On services at least.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,148

    The next GE will follow the Autumn statement which could see a further drop in NI and a timetable equalising IT and NI

    October to mid November

    There will need to be a good uptick in the economy to allow a further NI cut in the autumn. Thresholds still frozen btw?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,875
    Looks like Labour should have saved their Non Dom policy for the manifesto. Lessons learnt hopefully.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625
    Good Lady Wifey pleased with the measures for the UK film industry.

    Although, not expecting luvvies to rush to Rishi's side.
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    ColinColin Posts: 70
    Leon said:

    Colin said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    And his stocks are about to tank too. Hes an infallible contrarian indicator.
    I’ve invested in US tech, world tech, a US tracker, and India as a mad punt. Up so far

    Absolutely no one can predict what the AI revolution is going to do. It’s Sui generis

    But the explosion of AI means tech, despite the bubble, is definitely as good a medium-long term
    bet as any

    If the revolution is overwhelming (quite possible) then everything will be worthless - don’t even invest in a pension. It’s pointless
    I dont disagree with you on many points. But a look at nvdas share price graph should give pause.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    kinabalu said:

    Looks like Labour should have saved their Non Dom policy for the manifesto. Lessons learnt hopefully.

    Also extending north sea tax leaving them with only vat on private schools with is a pittance
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    ColinColin Posts: 70
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
    Maybe its you who are stuck in the past. Theres an argument multi racial societies only work whilst we have prosperity.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,925
    They are playing for November. I am convinced there will be another autumn statement, now.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033

    They are playing for November. I am convinced there will be another autumn statement, now.

    I think there is no doubt after today
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,148
    kinabalu said:

    Looks like Labour should have saved their Non Dom policy for the manifesto. Lessons learnt hopefully.

    Nah it's fine. Plenty more to go for amongst the rich. An 8% (=NI rate) surcharge on individual investment income would be valid. Might as well do the same for pensions too once Labour have a 300 seat majority - or at least a 2% surcharge on higher rate pension income.

    Plus, they can still bring forward the non-Dom abolition timetable.

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,148
    Hopefully Reeve will paraphrase Dr Johnson in her response: "Your budget is both sensible and original in part. Unfortunately, the parts that are sensible are not original..."
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    PhilPhil Posts: 2,000
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    Shoulda used Whatsapp?

    (I'm not up to date on it.)
    They didn’t get hacked because they used hotel WiFi - the Russians were able to listen into the call because a German officer phoned into a WebEx conference call from a hotel landline. A landline is unencrypted.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-blames-taurus-call-leak-officer-logging-via-insecure-hotel-line/

    Not doing the German officer corps’ reputation for competence any favours in the process tbh. I’m surprised the military even has the option to use a landline turned on given that it breaks all the security guarantees.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,191
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
    Could the same not be said about your triumphalism about integration? Lauding the person who said "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is peak David Cameron.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,101
    ...

    Are the SNP playing silly buggers in the house?

    When are they not?
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,446
    Colin said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
    Maybe its you who are stuck in the past. Theres an argument multi racial societies only work whilst we have prosperity.
    Is that Russia`s problem, do you think?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,629
    Phil said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    Shoulda used Whatsapp?

    (I'm not up to date on it.)
    They didn’t get hacked because they used hotel WiFi - the Russians were able to listen into the call because a German officer phoned into a WebEx conference call from a hotel landline. A landline is unencrypted.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-blames-taurus-call-leak-officer-logging-via-insecure-hotel-line/

    Not doing the German officer corps’ reputation for competence any favours in the process tbh. I’m surprised the military even has the option to use a landline turned on given that it breaks all the security guarantees.
    The insanity there is not having end to end encryption. Even if the landline passed through Putin's office, they shouldn't have been able to get anything.
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    ColinColin Posts: 70

    One reason for the better growth numbers: OBR forecast of net immigration raised from 245k a year to 315k a year ....

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1765373355509633263

    We are in a bind. Our economy depends on mass immigration but it costs the tories votes in their core supporters.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,888
    Colin said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
    Maybe its you who are stuck in the past. Theres an argument multi racial societies only work whilst we have prosperity.
    uh-oh
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,251
    Another £750 bribe from that nice Mr Hunt.

    I will definitely be voting Conservative.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,083
    Phil said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    Shoulda used Whatsapp?

    (I'm not up to date on it.)
    They didn’t get hacked because they used hotel WiFi - the Russians were able to listen into the call because a German officer phoned into a WebEx conference call from a hotel landline. A landline is unencrypted.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-blames-taurus-call-leak-officer-logging-via-insecure-hotel-line/

    Not doing the German officer corps’ reputation for competence any favours in the process tbh. I’m surprised the military even has the option to use a landline turned on given that it breaks all the security guarantees.
    A voice call? Via a hotel switchboard? That's so bad it almost looks deliberate.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,370
    kinabalu said:

    Looks like Labour should have saved their Non Dom policy for the manifesto. Lessons learnt hopefully.

    If thats the only thing they have as a policy they shouldnt bother standing
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503
    Colin said:

    One reason for the better growth numbers: OBR forecast of net immigration raised from 245k a year to 315k a year ....

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1765373355509633263

    We are in a bind. Our economy depends on mass immigration but it costs the tories votes in their core supporters.
    Build. More. Houses.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,688
    Blurring the details to not disclose my salary, this NI change gives me an extra two figures per month. Not bad, and pays for my taxi fare to the station, so there's that. In different circs I would quite like this.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,888



    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
    Could the same not be said about your triumphalism about integration? Lauding the person who said "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is peak David Cameron.
    Apart from his repeating the phrase being total cringe it is a good thing that he mentioned it. Like Rishi coming onto the tellybox saying we must all be nice to each other.

    These are important, and necessarily general nudges that our PMs are in office to make.

    As for "triumphalism of integration" I'm not sure what that means. If it means anything.
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    PhilPhil Posts: 2,000

    Phil said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    Shoulda used Whatsapp?

    (I'm not up to date on it.)
    They didn’t get hacked because they used hotel WiFi - the Russians were able to listen into the call because a German officer phoned into a WebEx conference call from a hotel landline. A landline is unencrypted.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-blames-taurus-call-leak-officer-logging-via-insecure-hotel-line/

    Not doing the German officer corps’ reputation for competence any favours in the process tbh. I’m surprised the military even has the option to use a landline turned on given that it breaks all the security guarantees.
    The insanity there is not having end to end encryption. Even if the landline passed through Putin's office, they shouldn't have been able to get anything.
    Exactly. Not only that, they did it from a place where a military airshow was in progress, with lots of the world’s top officers in attendance. It should have been entirely obvious that every major intelligence agency on the planet was going to have gained access to every communication system in the area in search of juicy targets to listen in on. It’s bad enough using a hotel landline in the first place, but doing so in those circumstances is insane.
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    PhilPhil Posts: 2,000

    Phil said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    Arguing that their communications were secure because someone got hacked phoning in via his hotel WIFI isn't the most convincing thing I've ever heard.
    Shoulda used Whatsapp?

    (I'm not up to date on it.)
    They didn’t get hacked because they used hotel WiFi - the Russians were able to listen into the call because a German officer phoned into a WebEx conference call from a hotel landline. A landline is unencrypted.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-blames-taurus-call-leak-officer-logging-via-insecure-hotel-line/

    Not doing the German officer corps’ reputation for competence any favours in the process tbh. I’m surprised the military even has the option to use a landline turned on given that it breaks all the security guarantees.
    A voice call? Via a hotel switchboard? That's so bad it almost looks deliberate.
    Apparently! Nuts isn’t it.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,688

    kinabalu said:

    Looks like Labour should have saved their Non Dom policy for the manifesto. Lessons learnt hopefully.

    If thats the only thing they have as a policy they shouldnt bother standing
    Oh I'm sure they have policies, and I'm sure they'll tell us and expect us to be impressed. But they will differ from the Blues in detail, not substance.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,101

    Good Lady Wifey pleased with the measures for the UK film industry.

    Although, not expecting luvvies to rush to Rishi's side.

    I don't know.

    My son fresh with his MA in Digital Video Journalism from Cardiff University School of Journalism agrees with her. I suspect he is diametrically opposite both in terms of earnings and political leaning, but he liked that element of the budget nonetheless.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,147

    They are playing for November. I am convinced there will be another autumn statement, now.

    I think there is no doubt after today
    Boats.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,370
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Looks like Labour should have saved their Non Dom policy for the manifesto. Lessons learnt hopefully.

    If thats the only thing they have as a policy they shouldnt bother standing
    Oh I'm sure they have policies, and I'm sure they'll tell us and expect us to be impressed. But they will differ from the Blues in detail, not substance.
    It's just 5 more years of continuity Sunak.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,688

    ...My son fresh with his MA in Digital Video Journalism from Cardiff University School of Journalism....

    Is he a YouTuber?

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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,494
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    Thanks mum. I knew I could rely on you
    You probably think that you are the belwether on immigration and how _this time_ it will herald the end of the UK as we know it.

    But you are wrong. There has always been immigration into the UK and now you get the situation whereby a guy who shouts at a probable Islamist terrorist "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" is considered quintessentially British.

    For someone who believes themselves so acutely attuned to new trends and oncoming paradigm shifts, in this area you seem to be stuck on the back of one of John Major's old maid's bicycles.
    What the fuck is this gibberish?
    Let me summarise.

    For someone who believes they see into the future your posts on immigration show that you are irrevocably stuck in the past.
    Your opinions are neither interesting nor novel nor amusingly expressed. But hey. There’s room for all on PB
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,251

    Foxy said:

    Can someone point out the Tory cuts?

    https://x.com/rcolvile/status/1765312942973632750

    image

    There are more people but their salaries have dropped considerably in real terms I guess. That is how the cuts materialise.

    I have had some treatment at a well-known NHS hospital in London recently - the staff were good but obviously rushed off their feet, the buildings are shabby, the toilets dirty and the furniture and equipment looked at least 10 years old.

    It doesn't say much for how the Tories have mismanaged the NHS. More money and staff, but wasted by poor productivity because of failure to invest in capital equipment or training.
    Part of the problem in hospitals of course is the complete collapse of the GP service. My surgery accepts enquiries only by email (3-5 day timescale for reply, often missed). You can try to phone but you will be in a queue for which reaches absurd lengths - can be 20 or 30 callers. If you manage to get through you might be given a telephone appointment - probably with a nurse rather than a doctor - in a week or two. It's hopeless - for anything urgent I would just go straight to A&E and I guess most people do the same. In fact when I was at a hospital (for another reason) the other day I saw a sign pointing to "urgent GP service".
    Yesterday my wife called the surgery just after 8am. Was 16th in the queue. Held on, got through, and was given an appointment for 9am. Not too shabby.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,074
    viewcode said:

    ...My son fresh with his MA in Digital Video Journalism from Cardiff University School of Journalism....

    Is he a YouTuber?

    Pembrokeshire Early?
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