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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,380

    Public sector borrowing to 1.2% by 2028?

    Absolutely hilarious. Complete bollocks.

    I assume it is consistent with the OBR
    Yep. It's their prediction.

    No way on god's green earth with the demographics and the mess public sector and local councils are in.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,101
    Fat b*stard Starmer gets fat shamed by Hunt.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    Lots of bits of funding and callouts to MPs in marginal seats here.
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    MuesliMuesli Posts: 131

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390

    Get on with it! 😈

    This is crashingly dull fare from the Huntsman so far. Leavened somewhat by a terribly contrived joke about “shedding a few pounds!”.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,380

    Lots of bits of funding and callouts to MPs in marginal seats here.

    He'd be better off wishing them luck in their new careers.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252

    Public sector borrowing to 1.2% by 2028?

    Absolutely hilarious. Complete bollocks.

    Not really. Basically saying structural deficit gone by 2029.

    It'd be even better if we had a year when we didn't borrow money for once.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,563
    I didn't realise how weak the fiscal rules now were - only to have debt falling as a percentage of GDP in five years. So it's within Hunt's rules to splurge on tax cuts now, while debt is increasing as a percentage of GDP, only on the basis that it will be falling in five years time.

    Amazing that Truss managed to break even that weak a fiscal rule.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,583

    Can someone point out the Tory cuts?

    https://x.com/rcolvile/status/1765312942973632750

    image

    There are more people but their salaries have dropped considerably in real terms I guess. That is how the cuts materialise.

    I have had some treatment at a well-known NHS hospital in London recently - the staff were good but obviously rushed off their feet, the buildings are shabby, the toilets dirty and the furniture and equipment looked at least 10 years old.

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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390

    A slightly humorous moment between SKS and Hunt there.

    A flicker amid the gloom!!
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    theProletheProle Posts: 979

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Taz said:


    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Does anyone know what time the budget starts today? Cheers!

    BBC:

    'Before the Budget at 12:30 GMT comes Prime Minister's Questions at 12:00 - you can watch it all by pressing play at the top of the page'
    This may also be useful for @Anabobazina to know about, all this TV business:

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/price-result/coin-operated-mini-tv-by-vend-o-vision/
    Grr. Another one raising this issue! Why are PBers so obsessed with CASH???!!
    Why are you so triggered by it?
    I’m not. It’s just that I was told by PBers to “stop banging on about cash”. Yet I never raise it, others do. Almost daily. It’s an extraordinarily odd way of trying to stop me talking about it.

    It’s almost as if people WANT me to talk about it.

    Sad.
    Yet when I mentioned, for example, the malign intent of Newcastle City Council to remove cash as an option for payment for parking in their car parks and the impact this would have on the elderly, the vulnerable and those without access to smartphones you were all over it like a cheap suit.

    Physician, Heal Thyself.
    Eh? I don’t know anything about Newcastle car parks. Are you confusing me with someone else?
    No.
    Then citation required. Where have I commented on Newcastle car parks?
    October last year. Cannot post the link as your profile is private however here it is.





    "Anabobazina Posts: 19,067
    October 2023
    Taz said:
    Newcastle Council risk discrimination against the elderly and other vulnerable groups by switching all council car parks to cashless.

    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/cashless-parking-switch-newcastle-could-27871973?fbclid=IwAR3o6gh4PIoBAW5F9sfBREfo98iHW1lyCeRCHNp9ew4wMo90Vfwglf10flI_aem_AaSaYsiPde7nVXl7A1jg-A0tC-Sw9miry9YUgIFEcJrUcG-3_iIY6Z6pynVTYx5ComI

    Why are the elderly and disabled patronised in this way? They are perfectly capable of using cashless. As has now been said ad infinitum, the key is to take steps to reduce digital exclusion, not persist with an outdated, flawed form of payment through some warped form of nostalgia.

    The council has run a public consultation process which involved the Elders Council and Newcastle Disability Forum. The council's car parks are still accessible to those without a bank account or smart phone, neither are necessary to make a payment. We have staff available in our car parks during the roll out of the new machines and a drop in session at the City Library on October 23 to help people switch to alternative payment methods"
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,060
    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    Looks like Horizon nuclear with Hitachi might be back on at Wylfa.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033

    Looks like Horizon nuclear with Hitachi might be back on at Wylfa.

    Excellent news for North Wales
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,101
    January 23rd General Election nailed on.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252

    I didn't realise how weak the fiscal rules now were - only to have debt falling as a percentage of GDP in five years. So it's within Hunt's rules to splurge on tax cuts now, while debt is increasing as a percentage of GDP, only on the basis that it will be falling in five years time.

    Amazing that Truss managed to break even that weak a fiscal rule.

    The pattern here is budgeting for growth and investment, but he's a bit shit at storyboarding it and it's not enough to do it fiscally- you also have to chuck some at infrastructure and eduction too.

    There's a bit here. But probably not enough.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,380
    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Good idea. Way overdue. But should be higher. It has been frozen for years.

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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390
    Taz said:

    Taz said:


    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Does anyone know what time the budget starts today? Cheers!

    BBC:

    'Before the Budget at 12:30 GMT comes Prime Minister's Questions at 12:00 - you can watch it all by pressing play at the top of the page'
    This may also be useful for @Anabobazina to know about, all this TV business:

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/price-result/coin-operated-mini-tv-by-vend-o-vision/
    Grr. Another one raising this issue! Why are PBers so obsessed with CASH???!!
    Why are you so triggered by it?
    I’m not. It’s just that I was told by PBers to “stop banging on about cash”. Yet I never raise it, others do. Almost daily. It’s an extraordinarily odd way of trying to stop me talking about it.

    It’s almost as if people WANT me to talk about it.

    Sad.
    Yet when I mentioned, for example, the malign intent of Newcastle City Council to remove cash as an option for payment for parking in their car parks and the impact this would have on the elderly, the vulnerable and those without access to smartphones you were all over it like a cheap suit.

    Physician, Heal Thyself.
    Eh? I don’t know anything about Newcastle car parks. Are you confusing me with someone else?
    No.
    Then citation required. Where have I commented on Newcastle car parks?
    October last year. Cannot post the link as your profile is private however here it is.





    "Anabobazina Posts: 19,067
    October 2023
    Taz said:
    Newcastle Council risk discrimination against the elderly and other vulnerable groups by switching all council car parks to cashless.

    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/cashless-parking-switch-newcastle-could-27871973?fbclid=IwAR3o6gh4PIoBAW5F9sfBREfo98iHW1lyCeRCHNp9ew4wMo90Vfwglf10flI_aem_AaSaYsiPde7nVXl7A1jg-A0tC-Sw9miry9YUgIFEcJrUcG-3_iIY6Z6pynVTYx5ComI

    Why are the elderly and disabled patronised in this way? They are perfectly capable of using cashless. As has now been said ad infinitum, the key is to take steps to reduce digital exclusion, not persist with an outdated, flawed form of payment through some warped form of nostalgia.

    The council has run a public consultation process which involved the Elders Council and Newcastle Disability Forum. The council's car parks are still accessible to those without a bank account or smart phone, neither are necessary to make a payment. We have staff available in our car parks during the roll out of the new machines and a drop in session at the City Library on October 23 to help people switch to alternative payment methods"
    October? So long ago I had forgotten about it. I resolved to stop bringing up cash when many PBers asked me to much more recently than that.

    FWIW though, I stand by my answer, which seems fair and reasonable.

    I hate the way the ‘elderly’ are patronised as if they are unable to use a bloody debit card!!
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    RattersRatters Posts: 903

    I didn't realise how weak the fiscal rules now were - only to have debt falling as a percentage of GDP in five years. So it's within Hunt's rules to splurge on tax cuts now, while debt is increasing as a percentage of GDP, only on the basis that it will be falling in five years time.

    Amazing that Truss managed to break even that weak a fiscal rule.

    Yep - never need to actually balance the books, just need to promise you will in five years' time. Right now that's 2029. In five years' time it'll be promising to get our house in order by 2034.

    I don't think it's widely appreciated how crap a fiscal rule it is.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111
    The British ISA is coming in. On top of existing allowances. Extra £5K

    At least it is on top of the existing one and not replacing it.

    If investing in the UK was such a good proposition people would be doing it already.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,786
    edited March 6
    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    The problem is our threshold is too high - way higher than most peers. Raising it just kicks the can down the road. If it were closer to say 30k then everyone would be registered and there would be no cliff edge. But of course that would be politically disastrous so would never be done. Some sort of phasing might help ease the issue though.

    EDIT: Dan not happy with this either

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1765360864515756108?s=20
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,414
    My UK equity funds almost always do worse than Overseas equities.

    The last thing people need is more of their savings in UK equities.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,380
    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    13m
    Net debt in this Budget looks pretty similar to last time around. Here are the figures.
    Actually slightly higher in five years’ time than before…
    So we’re getting FURTHER into debt - not paying it back…

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111
    MikeL said:

    My UK equity funds almost always do worse than Overseas equities.

    The last thing people need is more of their savings in UK equities.

    World and USA Trackers for me.
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,481
    Taz said:

    The British ISA is coming in. On top of existing allowances. Extra £5K

    At least it is on top of the existing one and not replacing it.

    If investing in the UK was such a good proposition people would be doing it already.

    Can we just invest in FTSE companies which happen to be investment companies holding international shares?
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    theProletheProle Posts: 979
    edited March 6

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    That would be pretty terrible for sole traders, particularly those providing mostly labour. Say you run a mobile dog groomers out of a van, or do tree surgery - why should you have to charge clients 20% extra just because you work a little for a lot of clients, rather than lots for one client (when they could employ you directly).
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,101

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,007

    Can someone point out the Tory cuts?

    https://x.com/rcolvile/status/1765312942973632750

    image

    There are more people but their salaries have dropped considerably in real terms I guess. That is how the cuts materialise.

    I have had some treatment at a well-known NHS hospital in London recently - the staff were good but obviously rushed off their feet, the buildings are shabby, the toilets dirty and the furniture and equipment looked at least 10 years old.

    It doesn't say much for how the Tories have mismanaged the NHS. More money and staff, but wasted by poor productivity because of failure to invest in capital equipment or training.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,563
    edited March 6
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    I know you like to blame the Muslims/immigrants for everything but the reality for the pubs and clubs is the biggest driver in lack of footfall was

    1) The smoking ban

    2) Supermarkets and loss leading offers on booze
    London is one of the most homophobic cities in the UK, one of the most anti-Semitic, and now one of the most boring at night. Incredibly
    It really isn't. There's loads going on every night. In the last few months I have gone to the theatre multiple times, spent many great evenings in the pub, gone to several gigs, gone clubbing. I think there's more going on in zone 2 and less in zone 1 than a decade ago, people are spending more time in their neighbourhood. Central London feels like it's more for tourists and other basics.
    Try getting a drink after midnight almost anywhere in london, compared to other great world cities like NYC, Paris or Tokyo. Or even lesser cities like Barcelona or Phnom Penh or Berlin or LA or Sydney or Bangkok
    I've never struggled. I was clubbing until 5am in Peckham a few months back. Drinks were available.
    I've always been in the "start early, end early, catch the bus or train home" camp.

    Trying to carry on drinking when I just want to sleep isn't something I find enjoyable.

    I occasionally went to nightclubs as a student, but never really found it an enjoyable night out.
    The night started with pizza and beers at 7 but I was only drinking water after about midnight and so had no hangover the next day, although I did have a nap later in the morning after I'd taken my daughter to an orchestra day in Croydon first thing.
    I've heard it suggested that the post midnight non-nightclub scene faded because of the number of people who need to get home before midnight - night tube and buses are for centralish London.
    Night buses go out pretty far. Might be an issue for people in the home counties I suppose. I think the issue is that British people are programmed culturally to drink quite fast, so if you're only interested in drinking you'll probably be done by 11. Unlike in Mediterranean countries where people eat late and sip their drinks like big girls blouses - have you ever tried going to the pub with an Italian?
    Nightclubs have been impacted by dating apps I think, people went there to score and apps are far more efficient for this purpose. The same dynamic has probably hurt gay venues even more (plus they can go to other places now and not get their head kicked in). Add in high property costs, stagnant wages and a lack of staff post Brexit and it's easy to see why the sector is suffering.
    But I do think it varies by area, and there is just a lot more going on in thriving residential neighbourhoods than before. Where I am in SE14 local pubs are doing great business, while there are great bars and clubs in Peckham and Deptford. And a wide array of restaurants in SE4 and SE15 also seem to be doing well. I see central London as mainly for theatre and big gigs, in terms of going out. Everything else is better locally - a nicer crowd too.
    That's a point (Brits drink quickly so they're often far gone by 11 or 12) I've never considered before but it's an interesting one. My own anecdotal experience would bear this out. When I go out in a group those who are still going into the early hours are generally absolutely plastered.

    Interestingly it doesn't seem to happen in the same way with Brits on holiday, except among the thugs. I think people start later for one thing, usually have a meal as part of the evening, and then if going clubbing will often stick to water and various other chemical inputs.
    My impression is that younger generations are less subject to this than say Boomers or Gen-X.

    Me - I wouldn't be prepared to get seriously drunk post-diagnosis as Type I Diabetic at age ~34; it's not a risk I am willing to win.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    Taz said:

    The British ISA is coming in. On top of existing allowances. Extra £5K

    At least it is on top of the existing one and not replacing it.

    If investing in the UK was such a good proposition people would be doing it already.

    It's designed, probably, to get pensioners to put into it rather than cash so there's more equity flying around for domestic investment here.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    National Theatre better put on something shit hot.

    £26m is a great chunk of wonga for them.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,446
    This British ISA thing sounds like a bad idea but the stuff on creative industries is good, this is something we are world class at.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,920
    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Taz said:

    The British ISA is coming in. On top of existing allowances. Extra £5K

    At least it is on top of the existing one and not replacing it.

    If investing in the UK was such a good proposition people would be doing it already.

    It's designed, probably, to get pensioners to put into it rather than cash so there's more equity flying around for domestic investment here.
    Is it ? I think we need to wait and see what it is first. The proposal is that they just give ISA investors an extra £5K allowance that they have to put into "Britain" whatever that may mean.

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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,563
    theProle said:

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    That would be pretty terrible for sole traders, particularly those providing mostly labour. Say you run a mobile dog groomers out of a van, or do tree surgery - why should you have to charge clients 20% extra just because you work a little for a lot of clients, rather than lots for one client (when they could employ you directly).
    Would that not be to balance the extra tax paid by one-or-a-few client operations who are deemed to be effectively employees?

    (I'm not up to detail on this - I got out of contracting under one of the Gordon Brown tax 'reforms'.)
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    You're money obsessed !!!!
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    ColinColin Posts: 70
    Muesli said:

    Colin said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Re London’s nightlife. Covid definitely had a massive effect. As did Brexit to a much lesser extent

    But london has also gone from a Muslim population of ~300,000 to ~1,400,000 in 20 years. Muslims don’t drink or go to clubs. Or if they go to clubs they don’t drink. So nightlife dies

    You can see this is in the widespread closure of pubs in tower hamlets etc

    Many may welcome this change. Especially old nimbys who hate noise. Good for them and god speed - but I don’t. If I want a quiet sober Muslim city I’ll go to Fez. London is meant to be a buzzing world city or it is nothing

    Its yet another tragic consequence of an insanely cavalier immigration policy; imagining that importing ten million people with a very different culture will have no effect

    The non-Muslim population of London has also increased over the past twenty years, so I call bullshit.
    I hope you see the statistical error here
    No error. You've said the Muslim population of London has increased by 1.1 million over 20 years. But the total population of London has increased by around 1.8 million in that time. So the non-Muslim population has also increased.

    I look forward to your prompt and effusive apology.
    At the turn of the century about one in twelve Londoners were Muslims, now it's around one in six
    Sure - the percentage of Londoners who are Muslims has increased and you can have various arguments over whether that's good, bad or neutral.

    But Leon's specific point was that there is less of a market for nightclubs in London now because the absolute number of Muslims living in London has increased. But the fatal flaw in that argument is that the absolute number of non-Muslims living in London has also increased. Not by as much, but it's increased.

    So it doesn't explain the phenomenon Leon has apparently noticed (which, as a reminder, is that he has less fun in London now he's an old fart).
    Yes but these tend to be black africans, indians and east asians none of whom are renowned for their partying lifestyle. So the basic point is correct.
    I'm old enough to remember when immigrants were criticised for having too much of a partying lifestyle! Now apparently a sober hard-working attitude is their crime.
    This site is starting to develop a monomaniacle obsession with immigrants and Muslims that is both disturbing and boring.
    I don't think it's this site developing a monomaniacal obsession with immigrants and Muslims; it's one loudmouth boor with a tedious and somewhat pathetic need to try and hijack every thread with a bizarre cocktail of holiday snaps and tendentious attention-seeking, like the bastard lovechild of Judith Chalmers and Jeremy Clarkson but without the subtlety or finesse.
    And his stocks are about to tank too. Hes an infallible contrarian indicator.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    It's in cash, so it wouldn't work for you.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    It's in cash, so it wouldn't work for you.
    :smiley:
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503
    Taz said:

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    You're money obsessed !!!!
    Its a free site, he can put in this tuppence worth.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    It's in cash, so it wouldn't work for you.
    What an odd post
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111
    Talking about rNHS and Public Services and the lack of productivity now.

    "It is not fair to ask taxpayers to pay for more when productivity has fallen" but they are going to keep spending and spend it better.

    This is brilliant. A Public Sector Productivity Plan. No one has ever thought of this before. Must be a sure fire success. Especially if they can get some large private organisations in like KPMG to manage the transition.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503
    £188m combined for Sheffield, Blackpool and Liverpool.
    £242m for Canary Wharf.

    Red wall shall be red.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,563
    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Taz said:

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    You're money obsessed !!!!
    Its a free site, he can put in this tuppence worth.
    He can speak for himself, stop shilling for him.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,173
    What do we think Hunt's rabbit out of the hat will be?

    1p cut in income tax? Raising the personal allowance?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,101
    edited March 6
    Taz said:

    Talking about rNHS and Public Services and the lack of productivity now.

    "It is not fair to ask taxpayers to pay for more when productivity has fallen" but they are going to keep spending and spend it better.

    This is brilliant. A Public Sector Productivity Plan. No one has ever thought of this before. Must be a sure fire success. Especially if they can get some large private organisations in like KPMG to manage the transition.

    Maybe not KPMG but Fujitsu looking good for a new IT system.

    I know, I know, it's my little joke.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,786
    "Big announcement there was that the Chancellor is NOT further cutting already fictional plans for slow growth in public spending post-election. That means tax cuts about to be announced are being paid for by extra borrowing and other tax rises"

    https://x.com/TorstenBell/status/1765365482536718481?s=20
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    edited March 6
    New IT system and AI productivity investment for the NHS.

    Right thing to do. But oh boy could that one go wrong.

    Bet Accenture get it.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,300
    MattW said:

    This seems really strange from the German ambassador.

    Nothing to do with us, Guv.

    The German ambassador to the UK has said there is "no need to apologise" for security breaches which led to a call between top army officials being leaked by Russian sources.

    Miguel Berger told BBC Radio 4's Today programme one of the participants had likely dialled in via an insecure line.

    As a result, Russia was able to intercept the call, he said.

    In the audio, officials can be heard discussing details of alleged British operations on the ground in Ukraine.

    Mr Berger hit back at criticism by former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, who said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68488962

    To whom is he supposed to be apologising?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    Listening to Hunt I simply cannot see an early election and would expect to be on the 14th November
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,434
    GIN1138 said:

    What do we think Hunt's rabbit out of the hat will be?

    1p cut in income tax? Raising the personal allowance?

    2% off income tax from 2025. A challenge to LAB to see if they will stick with it in their manifesto.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033

    GIN1138 said:

    What do we think Hunt's rabbit out of the hat will be?

    1p cut in income tax? Raising the personal allowance?

    2% off income tax from 2025. A challenge to LAB to see if they will stick with it in their manifesto.
    It won't be as it is too expensive and inflationary
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,173

    Listening to Hunt I simply cannot see an early election and would expect to be on the 14th November

    November election will be a grim prospect. Not as grim as a December or January election but still grim.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625

    Looks like Horizon nuclear with Hitachi might be back on at Wylfa.

    Excellent news for North Wales
    But probably bad news generally for the British taxpayers/billpayers for the next 60 years...
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,629
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    Taz said:

    Talking about rNHS and Public Services and the lack of productivity now.

    "It is not fair to ask taxpayers to pay for more when productivity has fallen" but they are going to keep spending and spend it better.

    This is brilliant. A Public Sector Productivity Plan. No one has ever thought of this before. Must be a sure fire success. Especially if they can get some large private organisations in like KPMG to manage the transition.

    Must Finish Header.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625
    GIN1138 said:

    Listening to Hunt I simply cannot see an early election and would expect to be on the 14th November

    November election will be a grim prospect. Not as grim as a December or January election but still grim.
    I really didn't find December 2019 that grim.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,446

    Listening to Hunt I simply cannot see an early election and would expect to be on the 14th November

    Why? Listening to his speech, it sounds like we're living in a veritable golden age, and the Conservative party is sure to reap its deserved electoral dividend as soon as it calls for the voters' judgement.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,629
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    January 23rd General Election nailed on.

    So you keep saying. Presumably you have put your house on it?
    Free money at 10/1
    A definition of free money I’ve not previously encountered
    You're money obsessed !!!!
    Its a free site, he can put in this tuppence worth.
    He can speak for himself, stop shilling for him.
    Is he a pound shop version of....
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Listening to Hunt I simply cannot see an early election and would expect to be on the 14th November

    At this rate it will be 14 November until his speech is over!
    Touche !!!
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    eekeek Posts: 25,920

    a

    Taz said:

    Talking about rNHS and Public Services and the lack of productivity now.

    "It is not fair to ask taxpayers to pay for more when productivity has fallen" but they are going to keep spending and spend it better.

    This is brilliant. A Public Sector Productivity Plan. No one has ever thought of this before. Must be a sure fire success. Especially if they can get some large private organisations in like KPMG to manage the transition.

    Must Finish Header.
    I’m going to hunt for the details - I need a good laugh
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    GIN1138 said:

    Listening to Hunt I simply cannot see an early election and would expect to be on the 14th November

    November election will be a grim prospect. Not as grim as a December or January election but still grim.
    He mentioned the next Autumn statement which is clearly one he expects to deliver
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 48,087

    New IT system and AI productivity investment for the NHS.

    Right thing to do. But oh boy could that one go wrong.

    Bet Accenture get it.

    I reckon he's putting up a lump of investment and then taking the assumed savings out of their budget over the next five years, to make the books balance. A hostage to fortune if ever I saw one.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,434

    GIN1138 said:

    What do we think Hunt's rabbit out of the hat will be?

    1p cut in income tax? Raising the personal allowance?

    2% off income tax from 2025. A challenge to LAB to see if they will stick with it in their manifesto.
    It won't be as it is too expensive and inflationary
    Apparently inflation is over this summer! 😆
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Taz said:

    Talking about rNHS and Public Services and the lack of productivity now.

    "It is not fair to ask taxpayers to pay for more when productivity has fallen" but they are going to keep spending and spend it better.

    This is brilliant. A Public Sector Productivity Plan. No one has ever thought of this before. Must be a sure fire success. Especially if they can get some large private organisations in like KPMG to manage the transition.

    Maybe not KPMG but Fujitsu looking good for a new IT system.

    I know, I know, it's my little joke.
    My comment was not meant in a serious vein either !!!! It is just so bloody predictable what will happen. Lots of money for middle men, no improvement at all from our services.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,730
    Perhaps ‘dry pits’ Andy Windsor should have adopted this approach.



    https://x.com/thenewsagents/status/1765278643150872812?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111
    Bit of banter at Rayner's expense. Lovely stuff
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,240
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-68441335

    Mr Scales told the BBC that during these visits, staff would check for post on doorsteps, bins on bin days, whether cars were in the driveways or if steam was being released from the boiler flue.

    "We do this because we care and because we want our students to be in school," Mr Scales said.


    Is it me or is this a bit err... ?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    He loves provoking Angela Rayner. Because she keeps taking the bait.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,382

    I fear the leftie Stephen Bush is going to trigger @ydoethur

    Why won’t the Tories talk about their success in education?

    The Conservatives seem determined to ignore one of their few achievements in office


    The UK has, by accident, been running a prolonged experiment in education policy for the past three decades.

    Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England have all pursued radically different approaches to schools policy since the advent of devolution. The results are in: and outcomes in England, where the Tory party has enthusiastically built upon New Labour’s approach to schooling, are much better than elsewhere in the UK. The country has climbed the Pisa international rankings, which compare educational outcomes between countries, and suffered a smaller real-terms deterioration after the Covid lockdown than its peers.

    Given that the Conservatives have conducted a high number of policy experiments since 2010 with a low number of unalloyed successes, you would think the government might be inclined to shout about this one, or indeed talk about it at all.

    The government did clear its schedule for the day the most recent Pisa rankings were published — but to talk about immigration, rather than education.

    One reason for the government’s silence is that England’s increase in literacy and numeracy, and its striking success compared to other countries in educating the children of immigrants, are cross-party achievements. The relevant policies build on the work of successive education secretaries under Tony Blair, which in turn owed much to the foundations laid by former education secretary Kenneth Baker in 1988, when he introduced GCSEs and the national curriculum.


    https://www.ft.com/content/938f269a-2460-46d7-bf89-e1ec59b1927f

    I mentioned this yesterday.

    And, yes, it will trigger him.
    Because it’s based on a false data set, misapplied, to cover up the rather more alarming fact that our education system is in severe crisis due to chronic mismanagement by useless scum. Always does annoy me.

    However, I did want to drop you a line to say thank you for drawing my attention to rocketing student loan rates. Hadn’t realised so have been making arrangements to pay my remaining loan off.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,792
    Taz said:

    Bit of banter at Rayner's expense. Lovely stuff

    Love it.

    Tories made a mistake in choosing Boris over Hunt in 2019.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,173

    He loves provoking Angela Rayner. Because she keeps taking the bait.

    LOL! You wouldn't think he had it in him :D
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390
    Angela Rayner looks close to launching her stiletto heel across the dispatch box at the Chancellor after that one!

    Has the Hunt become the Hunted?!?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033
    The Tories are loving this
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    Taz said:

    Bit of banter at Rayner's expense. Lovely stuff

    Love it.

    Tories made a mistake in choosing Boris over Hunt in 2019.
    #HastobeHunt never seemed to catch on on Twix either !!!!
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,481
    edited March 6
    Non doms gone.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,563
    Reform of Holiday Let tax regime - interesting.

    If it is to be the same as the rest of letting, hopefully without the Osborne f*ck*ups, that's due for reform. But I expect he will ignore many facets.

    Multi-property transaction regime gone. That's interesting - expect increased efficiency in multiple single-property conveyancing services.

    Interesting reduction in higher rate CGT.

    Entirely ignoring Nelly the Elephant standing on his foot, which is the tens of billions of tax breaks on main residence CGT Relief.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,792
    carnforth said:

    Non doms gone, at least in current form.

    I like a good dom.

    Oh wait that’s a different type of dom.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 19,563
    edited March 6

    GIN1138 said:

    What do we think Hunt's rabbit out of the hat will be?

    1p cut in income tax? Raising the personal allowance?

    2% off income tax from 2025. A challenge to LAB to see if they will stick with it in their manifesto.
    It won't be as it is too expensive and inflationary
    Is that Hunt proposal not literally "vapourware"?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,503
    carnforth said:

    Non doms gone.

    It was inevitable after Grieve, Cummings and then finally Raab left.
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    PhilPhil Posts: 2,000
    eek said:

    So vat registration is now set at £90,000. Not much

    theProle said:

    VAT threshold to £90K.

    Another utterly pointless gesture.

    That's a good idea. Cost will be virtually nothing, whilst I know a lot of small businesses/sole traders who limit their business growth to keep under the threshold.
    Threshold should be same as 40% tax band threshold - too many people pretending they are "companies".
    Nope threshold should be at the point you are a business rather than a hobby which is probably at about the £20-30,000 point
    VAT threshold should be £0.

    If you’re registered as self employed, or are running a ltd company then you should be registered for VAT. Anything else creates a distortionary threshold that warps the economy around it.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,380
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    Lots of political knockabout in this speech. Clearly the last one Hunt intends to deliver before the election.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,173
    Tory right won't think much to abolishing nom-doms?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252

    The Tories are loving this

    Probably Hunt's best performance yet. He's clearly enjoying himself and, to some extent, is a bit demob happy.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,920
    MattW said:

    Reform of Holiday Let tax regime - interesting.

    If it is to be the same as the rest of letting, hopefully without the Osborne f*ck*ups, that's due for reform. But I expect he will ignore many facets.

    Multi-property transaction regime gone. That's interesting - expect increased efficiency in multiple single-property conveyancing services.

    Interesting reduction in higher rate CGT.

    Entirely ignoring Nelly the Elephant standing on his foot, which is the tens of billions of tax breaks on main residence CGT Relief.

    Nowhere in the world has full CGT on primary properties - it doesn’t work.

    So yep it’s a tax break but one that exists because the other options are way, way worse and would create problems elsewhere in the marketplace
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    Finally, a bit of a fix to tax tapers and thresholds for those receiving child benefit.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,390
    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,111

    carnforth said:

    Non doms gone, at least in current form.

    I like a good dom.

    Oh wait that’s a different type of dom.
    What are they going to sub the non doms for ?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    No.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,240

    If my wife earns £60k I earn more than £80k can she now claim the full child benefit?

    With respect, that's £140k joint and not really the £70k / £20k "issue" people have.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,033

    A Chancellor actually admitting NI is nonsense. A good step forward. Even if he isn't abolishing it yet.

    The first time I have heard a chancellor acknowledge this anomaly
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,925
    For a minute I thought he was going to abolish NI then.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,918
    So what was in the budget that hadn't been leaked already?
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    SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 625
    edited March 6

    Angela Rayner looks close to launching her stiletto heel across the dispatch box at the Chancellor after that one!

    Has the Hunt become the Hunted?!?

    Just started watching. What has he been saying to rile Rayner?
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